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Horror upon horror. "Dissident tells of assaults and threats against children during 66 days in jail run by Iran's clerical regime," from the Telegraph, with thanks to Schoolraider:
A leading Iranian pro-democracy and women's activist, who was jailed on trumped-up charges last year, has revealed how the clerical regime cynically deploys systemic sexual violence against female dissidents in the name of Islam.Roya Tolouee, 40, was beaten up by Iranian intelligence agents and subjected to a horrific sexual assault when she refused to sign forced confessions. It was only when they threatened to burn her two children to death in front of her that she agreed to put her name to the documents.
Perhaps just as shocking as the physical abuse were the chilling words of the man who led the attack. "When I asked how he could do this to me, he said that he believed in only two things - Islam and the rule of the clerics," Miss Tolouee told The Sunday Telegraph last week in an interview in Washington after she fled Iran."But I know of no religious morality that can justify what they did to me, or other women. For these people, religion is only a tool for dictatorship and abuse. It is a regime of prejudice against women, against other regimes, against other ethnic groups, against anybody who thinks differently from them."
Miss Tolouee's account of her ordeal confirms recent reports from opposition groups that Iranian intelligence officials use sexual abuse against female prisoners as an interrogation technique and even rape young women before execution so that they cannot reach heaven as virgins.
Few women from the Islamic world are willing to discuss such matters, even with each other, but Miss Tolouee said that the regime routinely committed sexual attacks against female detainees....
"Four armed men and three armed women barged into my house at night and took me away," she said. "My kids were terrified and crying. I was questioned all night by different interrogators and then thrown alone into a cell."
She was held in solitary confinement in the prison of the feared internal intelligence service, with only a blanket and a cup that often had to serve as a lavatory.
For the first six nights, she was taken to a basement where interrogators demanded that she admit to organising the protests, and also that she identify co-conspirators on a list of names they put to her.
"When I wouldn't do what they wanted, they slapped me. But after the sixth night, the routine changed. I was left alone in a small dark room with two men. One was the assistant prosecutor and called himself Amiri. The other had a filthy mouth and said terrible things. They started slapping me again. For the rest of the night they did to me what no woman should ever experience. Amiri said, 'I'm going to hang you, but before I hang you, I will make an example of you so that no woman will dare to open her mouth here again'." He then sexually assaulted her.
When she asked Amiri how he could act like that, he told her that only Islam and clerical rule were important to him. The attack left her badly bruised and bleeding internally, but she refused to sign the papers they put before her. To her assailants' fury, she demanded to see a lawyer and cited international treaties on human rights.
The following night they did not sexually molest her again as she was still bleeding - and hence "unclean". Instead, they told her that they would kill her children by setting them on fire before her eyes.
Finally, she admits, she cracked. "I threw myself at Amiri's feet and begged him not to harm my children. I said I'd do anything they wanted. Whatever they wanted, I would sign." She admitted to conspiring against the regime by giving interviews to the foreign media and leading the protests, but said that she did not implicate others....
"Sometimes the regime seems a bit better, sometimes a bit worse, but for the people of Iran, the suffering continues," she said.
And for the rest of us, it is just about to begin.
Posted by Robert at May 29, 2006 6:18 AM
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I think most women would have made that decision. That would be no idle threat.
She's a brave lady.
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at May 29, 2006 7:13 AM
No howls of protest from Naseem or the other dogs of Islam?
Posted by: Bohemond_1069 at May 29, 2006 7:29 AM
This vile religion never seems to have an ending to the atrocities that are being committed by the Mohammedans.
It disgusts me more and more daily. How do women actually stay in this religion? I know it's difficult (nearly impossible) for them to leave due to the possible results (death?), but secretly they must find Islam vile. If not, they must be brainwashed.
Posted by: Thuunda at May 29, 2006 7:42 AM
Naseem would probably say, "They are Shi'a. They are not true Muslims."
I would say that they are Muslims, simply doing what Muslims have always done.
I have said before that, in the West, we regard rape as a crime, not a punishment.
Posted by: jay at May 29, 2006 7:44 AM
This is where I think the debate about islam needs to take a turn. I think scholars like Robert focus on the Koran and hadiths and all that jazz to the exclusion of something much deeper.
Even if the Koran, a holy book, sanctions such behavior, why would anyone commit such actions? There is such a thing as conscience. It seems to me that the people in islamic culture lack a conscience. Like the worst nazis lacked a conscience. "I was only following orders".
If my holy book, The Bible, sanctioned rape and murder of women and children, I would reject the Bible as unholy. Indeed, even if the Bible ordered me to do such things in the name of God, I would reject Christianity. Why? Because my conscience would prevail over religious dogma anyday. My basic sense of right and wrong is much more powerful than any piece of historical writing.
But not for people in the islamic culture. They seem to lack a conscience. More to the point, they seem to enjoy behaving as brutes. Or if they themselves don't behave as brutes, then they don't mind having others behave as brutes on their behalf. The Koran is only a convenient excuse, it is not what motivates them. What motivates them is their vicious nature. Before the Koran and islam came onto the scene, these people were not exactly enlightened liberals. The Koran is an excuse to be a pirate.
You could rid the world of the Koran, and this type of behavior would continue. The bombings would continue. Why? Because it is a cultural thing, not a religious one. Religion is a cover.
If Christ had said, "No one come to the Father except through raping the enemies of God." I would reject Christ. My humanistic principles would dictate that. I can't worship a god like that. I could not seek the heaven of a god like that.
Not so in islamic culture. So the problem is one of culture, not any book. Which means this problem goes way deeper than dogma, way deeper than some arab called Mohammad who once lived and ranted. That is why this is a clash of civilizations, not a clash of religions.
Mohammad, that vile pedophile and rapist, wasn't motivated by the Koran. He wrote the Koran. It was the culture that wrote the Koran. The Koran, and its success, is a product of arabic culture.
Posted by: somethingaboutislam at May 29, 2006 8:08 AM
threats against children .......Beause Islam means peace...Its noble.....To murder children.
Posted by: storagemanager at May 29, 2006 8:38 AM
somethingaboutislam said:
Even if the Koran, a holy book, sanctions such behavior, why would anyone commit such actions? There is such a thing as conscience. It seems to me that the people in islamic culture lack a conscience. Like the worst nazis lacked a conscience. "I was only following orders".
That is exactly what the Pope is trying to do in his appeal to muslims: go beyond the dogma, the ideology etc.which he knows are immutable and appeal to the conscience of muslims:
“Dear friends, I am profoundly convinced that we must not yield to the negative pressures in our midst, but must affirm the values of mutual respect, solidarity and peace.” And also:
“There is plenty of scope for us to act together in the service of fundamental moral values. The dignity of the person and the defence of the rights which that dignity confers must represent the goal of every social endeavour and of every effort to bring it to fruition.”
And here we find a crucial sentence:
This message is conveyed to us unmistakably by the quiet but clear voice of conscience. Only through recognition of the centrality of the person can a common basis for understanding be found, one which enables us to move beyond cultural conflicts and which neutralizes the disruptive power of ideologies.”
Thus, even before religion, there is the voice of conscience and we must all fight for moral values, for the dignity of the person, the defence of rights."
http://www.chiesa.espressonline.it/dettaglio.jsp?id=53826&eng=y
Obviously great minds think alike!
Posted by: Silvester at May 29, 2006 9:39 AM
Let me guess. She is STILL a Muslim. The clerics and their lackeys have distorted HER religion.
Posted by: John Sobieski at May 29, 2006 9:46 AM
"For these people, religion is only a tool of dictatorship and abuse." -Roya T.
She never read the Koran?
She is describing, exactly, the behavior and intent of the founder of this "religion", the pedophile "prophet" Mohammad.
Why is this so hard for Muslims to grasp?
Does the blood rushing in and out of their heads from bowing so many times a day weaking their critical faculties?
What is the problem with their grasp of simple facts? Simple sentence? Simple declarations of desire by the murderous, lying, thieving warlord and his playbook of theocratic terror?
Known among the simple-minded political class in the West as the "religon of peace". (And if you disagree, they'll kill you.)
Wake up Ropya!
Wake up, Muslims!
(And I don't mean the web page, "MuslimsWakeUp", which is a "religious" reinforcement site for keeping the post-hypnotic Islamic commands fresh and unquestioned, as their sub-title indicates: "Prayer is better than sleep".)
Wake up women under the thumb of the mullahs, imams and ayatollahs!
You have nothing to gain but you brains.
(And maybe your dignity and humanity and hearts.)
Posted by: profitsbeard at May 29, 2006 10:20 AM
"international treaties on human rights"
What's would that be for?
In Islam the woman is not a human - therefore she does not have human rights.
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Because it was a Muslim committing such an offense and not an infidel or a Jew, then it should be ignored. Like the crimes committed under the Saddam Hussein regime against Islamic women and childre; where whole families would be shot and cast into trenches – their children still holding their dolls.
Our “illegal” war brought down an Islamic monster, which the Muslims were too timid to face. Iran should know, though that their Islam and those clerics ain’t going to rule over this world; rather they should have more success in beating up on their women.
at May 29, 2006 10:23 AM
With all do respect for this woman, as I read this I have to say that this story strikes me more as propanda, meant to stir the emotions. Similar ploys were used prior to World War I - the barbaric Hun (Germans) were dispoiling the pure women of Europe - and America was next!
The point of propaganda is to demonize and dehumanize the enemy. But it ultimately undermines the mission because it misrepresents the struggle we are in. The world is threatened by Iran and Islam not because they are evil and we are good; it is threatened because they want power and so do we.
Once faced objectively, it becomes clear the tough choices we face. Either give up power (submit) or do what is necessary to keep it.
I happen to like American power, because it provides me with freedom and prosperity. I see both my freedom and prosperity (even my life and my family's) threatened by militant Islam and its thirst for power. But I think we need to recognize that it is a lust for power, not religion, that truly motivates them.
I feel that we will ultimately triumph in this battle. I think there are some really bad times ahead, and it may take a truly horrendous WMD attack on America and a period of economic chaos to wake people up, but that once galvanized by seeing this attack, we Americans will finally kill this snake at the head.
Posted by: ReligionofPeas at May 29, 2006 12:40 PM
Military power means nothing in the long run. They will simply outbreed the existing population everywhere they move to. The USA is in a far better position than Europe with a proportionately lower muslim population.
We would love to trade your Mexican illegal immigrants for our legal Muslims. Hell, we'll even do it on a 2 for 1 basis.
Posted by: Celsius at May 29, 2006 1:27 PM
Outrages such as rape go to the core of violating human dignity and are just one of the many horrors of Islam, a demonic religion that revels in depravity, violence and infamy. Horror movies show satanic cults perpetrating evil deprave acts that shock the conscious in the name of their dark lord while a world blinded by its own evil refuses to see the ascension of the antichrist. Behold, the antichrist lived 1400 years ago and his followers are a quarter of the world population, bowing everyday to his black idol in the wastelands of Arabia where he raised his throne, amusing himself as his innumerable slaves shout his name and the name of his prophet and perpetrate blasphemies and evil that would only please the Satan, mocking the very throne of God Almighty.
I see the struggle with Islam as a cosmic spiritual struggle for the soul of humanity… I see all powers of this world lining up to defend Satan’s religion including the President of the United States, the Governments of the entire world, International Business concerns, falling churches, the ACLU, Neo-Nazis, Fascists, communists, antichristian anti-western leftists, anti-life anti-family feminists, radical homosexuals and the followers of all the ism’s.
Why is the world so blind that it cannot see the evils of Islam and destruction it brings at its wake!
at May 29, 2006 3:56 PM
This confirms what I have always believe, that Islam oppresses women bigtime.
Posted by: bigcatgirl13106 at May 29, 2006 4:16 PM
Burning alive her children, while she watches, may seem harsh from a mortal's perspective, but we are clearly unqualified to question the noble, glorious, ways of Allah, all knowing, most merciful.
Posted by: Xero G at May 29, 2006 5:43 PM
Even if the Koran, a holy book, sanctions such behavior, why would anyone commit such actions? There is such a thing as conscience. It seems to me that the people in islamic culture lack a conscience.
"Everything that is good comes from God, everything evil comes from Satan." Premised on this assumption the Koran's author is that being that constantly fights against God. As for the false prophet of Islam: "And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light."(2 Cor. 11: 14) Every person comes into this world with that still small voice within. But Satan stirreth up the hearts of men to do evil. As a person chooses to follow Satan that still small voice turns to utter silence.
at May 29, 2006 6:44 PM
Jehana?
Do you "think differently from them [ e.g. this Amiri]"? If so, don't waste your time here at JW/DW, telling us infidels that this isn't real islam etc. etc. Tell your own. the ummah. Loudly and convincingly. And let us know which verses in islam's assorted scriptures did the trick.
Posted by: del at May 29, 2006 8:10 PM
ReligionofPeas said
The world is threatened by Iran and Islam not because they are evil and we are good; it is threatened because they want power and so do we.
[...]
I happen to like American power, because it provides me with freedom and prosperity.
Given the woman's story, your moral equivalency response kind of makes me queasy. We (infidels and Muslims) are just two opposing teams jockeying for power? How are they gaining power by raping a woman in a prison? We don't rape women in our prisons, and yet we still have power. Doesn't seem that the two are related, at least in my mind. What if you were a high-ranking member of Iran's regime, someone like Amiri, with plenty of prosperity, and freedom to do whatever you want, for you and your family, would you like Iranian power then?
I happen to believe that there is a difference between Judeo-Christian values (forgiveness for transgressors, compassion for the weak, treating others as you would want to be treated, etc.), and Islamic values (male dominance, physical violence in the name of Allah, slavery of infidels, etc.). I know that's just my cultural bias, and the two systems are morally equivalent in your mind, but I'll stick with my delusion.
at May 30, 2006 12:15 AM
del
Where's Jehana - I don't see her post here? Unlike Naseem, many here don't seem to have sized her up, but she is just another provocateur, albeit a one with a more sophisticated level of sophistry.
at May 30, 2006 2:33 AM
Sophistry is bad enough -- when it gets sophisticated -- it's poisonous!
Posted by: jsla at May 30, 2006 12:57 PM
Infidel Pride,
Jehana didn't post, but I figured I'd write her a short note, in case she reads the thread. That's why i had the question mark in there, after her name. I think Jehana sees herself as a "moderate", modern American muslim. Its not clear to me if she sees a worldwide caliphate as a good thing or not, or if she desires western countries to become muslim sharia states in the future, as authentically pious muslims do. So there is a possibility that she is one of those hard-to-find moderates (from our perspective).
She made one semi-humorous snarky comment on that ice cream thread, but I have a vague recollection that she wrote positively about Irshad Manji once. But one never knows, I guess.
Posted by: del at May 30, 2006 6:37 PM
Jehana is a very subtle practitioner of Islam's dark arts... It is good to study what she says very carefully -- there's always a little something in her posts which, upon close inspection, reveals her "moderate" appearing posts to be anything but, IMHO....
Posted by: jsla at May 31, 2006 1:01 AM
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