''The verse says lay in ambush for them, besiege them and kill them when you find them, to me that's just clear, kill them."

Yeah, his terrorist manual, aka koran, is pretty clear about how we Infidels are to be dealt with. Too bad our body politic has bought into the whole "religion of peace" taqiyya & kitman schtick.

Posted by: Armalite at May 29, 2006 6:54 AM

Ot, but for your jihad amusement- Marilyn Monroe in a burkha!:

http://www.deviantart.com/deviation/33971075/

Posted by: Gary at May 29, 2006 6:56 AM

How much more clear do we need to convince our politicians that to listen to what the terrorists have to say? Every attack they quote from their Koran, and point out where it states why did this barberous killing(s) is allowed. This websie and others like this is spreading the word out about Islam and like a drop of rain will soon become a downpour of raindrops people will waken up and realize our enemies and those who put a blind eye to them (politicians-and biased media).

Posted by: Lulu at May 29, 2006 8:08 AM

bring the Islamic state back because if the Islamic state were here then the problems would not be there."
( yeah baby...bring this world back to the stone age...We need a dark and hostile world...full of rage ,murder and rape...Islam baby...no Logic or Mercy needed......Yup the left is right...Cindy's got it...Islam the way of the future..Cheer up Cindy...they may come for you first!...)

Posted by: storagemanager at May 29, 2006 8:35 AM

And I, Cato, say we need to have a Holy War against jihadists who come to our infidel lands and defile the language by confusing the verbs lay and lie in their various tenses, aspects, moods and voices.

Bad enough that they come here and threaten us, but to make us listen to bastard English into the bargain, that's just too much to abide!

Posted by: Cato the Elder at May 29, 2006 8:58 AM

Islam destroys conscience. I have read those verses and have no urge to go out and slaughter people. To do that, you must be willing to 'act'.
During most peoples lives, we encounter lots of people we would like to shoot. But we dont. We restrain ourselves, count to ten, observe an ethic, law or morality, or let it slide. Thats why it shocks us when someone violates restraint, and murders their boss, and co-workers or just shoots up a burger palace. The willingness to 'act' with no restraint or remorse, will land you in jail in the western world, or give you a medal from the battlefield.
Military long ago discovered how to convert non killers into killers. But most soldiers have a conscience, there is a line that they will not cross. When they degrade into atrocites, we are again, amazed and shocked. Allah erases that line. Allah taught, is teaching, his submitters
to not only cross the line of atrocity, but waller in it. To relish it, to exalt themselves with it. Terrorists/jihadists are rolling around in it, like a dog will roll on something dead and rotten. From Allah with love, this is what we get:Khyam said he believed Britain was a kufr [heathen] country and added: "You see things different, but me, it's just nothing, they just need to be killed and blood spilled. To me this is clear."
This is what you become from contact with Allah.
A psychopathic killer, operating with no conscience at all. A Hannibal Lecter, but no where near as smart. Lets see, how many billion of them are there?...are we having fun yet?

Posted by: duh_swami at May 29, 2006 9:47 AM

Allah is the snake..Satan..Baal....Bel....He slithers thru the mind of good men and woman and makes them commit acts they never would have.....This is a battle of good vs evil....The gray area is a myth.....Only two sides...Logic or madness........good or evil.....sanity or insanity....I dont want an Islam world.....Stand or kneel......Islam only gives two choices.

Posted by: storagemanager at May 29, 2006 9:56 AM

This is what you become from contact with Allah..duh_swami......I love this line....that old line about drug abuse went thru my head....but I changed it....This is you mind from the koran....A mind is a Terrible thing to waste........Maybe I could get a job from the mullahs....naw...dont think they would like me much.

Posted by: storagemanager at May 29, 2006 10:06 AM

Did these big, tough, islamic warriors remember to ask their mommies if they could go out and jihad tonight?

Hey Naseem, your little offspring is over there stealing British oxygen, isn't he? Do you know where he is on a Friday night (after mosque of course)?

Building bombs or getting bombed? Carousing with the "slags"? Scantily clad, nubile, kufr girls, dancing oh-so provocatively?

Or is he reading his koran. With his buddies.

3:151
7:4-5
8:12
8:60

Like a good little mohammedan.
Like a good little jihadi.

Posted by: Eisenhund at May 29, 2006 10:30 AM

I am disgusted at the way the term "Al Qaida" has become an escape hatch so the broader Muslim community is not implicated in these seditious acts by their more devout brethren. "Al Qaida" has simply become another meaningless arabic term introduced to the unwitting unwary West -- one which does little to clarify matters for the targets and victims of murderous Muslim intentions.

I keep bringing this up, but I don't think it gets enough traction.

Ciphers such as "Al Qaida" and "Janjaweed Militia" and "Jihad" allow the vast majority of malevolent Muslims to hide behind such terms, and we should be doing something about it. I'm just not sure what. I think this issue deserves much more attention than it has heretofore been given. That's my two dinars worth!

Posted by: jsla at May 29, 2006 11:14 AM

The Telegraph and at least one other UK national daily, the Daily Mirror printed that a verse in the Koran inspired the planned killing. I think that the Times and the Daily Mail omitted that, but the Telegraph and the Mirror have a high combined readership, so the cat is coming out of the bag about Islam a bit more.

Posted by: Elephant at May 29, 2006 12:47 PM

Isn't the Koran the original Hebrew plot to confuse poor desert Arabs away from their peaceful polytheisim?

Away with this crypto-Zionist book!

Back to the lovely pantheon of gods and goddesses in Mekkah!

Posted by: profitsbeard at May 29, 2006 1:13 PM

"no one can even turn around and say 'oh they were innocent', those slags dancing around and other things."

It really angers me when after each and every Muslim sponsored atrocity the press and media get the likes of Iqbal Sacranie and Inayat Bunglawala (spelling)... (I cite those 2 as I am from England and they are the main mouthpieces of the Muslim Council of Britain) to come on TV and start spouting the "Islam does not allow the taking of INNOCENT lives" and are allowed to go unchallenged on their definition of the word "innocent".

When they say "innocent" they are talking about collateral damage Muslims caught in the blasts etc.

The quotation above shows that they do not consider western girls dancing and having a good time as "innocents".

Why doesn't somebody in the media have the balls to challenge these enemies of our civilisation?

Posted by: Lionheart at May 29, 2006 1:51 PM

Here's another charmer which spells out the whole game plan:

The Banishment

[59.2] He it is Who caused those who disbelieved of the followers of the Book to go forth from their homes at the first banishment you did not think that they would go forth, while they were certain that their fortresses would defend them against Allah; but Allah came to them whence they did not expect, and cast terror into their hearts; they demolished their houses with their own hands and the hands of the believers; therefore take a lesson, O you who have eyes!

(I do! Two)

Enter a searchable online Koran and submit a searc for a word like "fear" -- surely closely related to terror... In one I use this word comes up 197 times -- Though Allah is labelled by the Muslims as "the Merciful, the Compassionate" -- there are woefully few examples of this conduct in the Koran. Rather, the linkage between fear, terror, and Allah is explicit in the Koran.

Any execrable Muslim who tries to suggest that "ALLAH" and the Hebrew or Christian godheads are one and the same... the "Abrahamic Faiths" assertion -- such persons are prevaricators. Allah is a terror God invented by a terrorist, and now worshipped by 1 billion idolators and counting...

Posted by: jsla at May 29, 2006 2:00 PM

These two are from my home town, Crawley, where I grew up just as the Ummah were moving in. There's a large Pakistani population in Langley Green, and a large and growing population of Moroccans and others in Bewbush - both boroughs are now predominantly Moslem. Crawley is a "New Town", opened by Her Majesty in the fifties, as an overflow for post-war Londoners and other baby boomers looking for the quiet, family-oriented suburban life. A few decades later and half the town's housing stock has been given over to concentrated communities of completely unintegrated Moslems. Some local schools are vitually Islamised, with not a single white English pupil, despite ostensibly being unaffiliated Comprehensives. Wife-beating - sometimes murder (I personally knew one girl whose father and other family members were in prison for murdering her mother), as well as drugs were rife by the time I moved out. Omar Bakri Mohammed's Al-Muhajiroun was using a local scout hut as a Jihad training centre, with the blessing of the Town Hall. Is it any wonder certain local residents were stocking up on aluminium powder and nitrogen fertilizer?

And Crawley is a mere microcosm of the demographic Jihad faced by Leicester and Birmingham (Britain's 2nd & 3rd largest cities), not to mention Londonistan, Bradford, Leeds and so on and so forth. I now live in Acton. Within the last 10 years, thousands of Somalis have been brought in, two of the towns 3 major shopping streets are mostly Somali cafes and Arabic stores, and the town's Lions club has just been turned into a mosque (doubtless the significance of this is lost on the local council - assuming any of them are non-Moslem). Abu Qatada lived a couple of streets away. And Abu Hamza. In July 2000 a bomb was discovered on the local train tracks, but was destroyed by police. The failed July 19th bombers were also locals, from White City, just down the road. Yet the few English ppl still living around here would probably balk at any suggestion there was such a thing as "demographic Jihad". The Conservatives won a surprise victory in the local elections a few weeks back, in this long-held Labour safe-seat. But even if "Conservative" still meant anything, the fact that most of those who voted them in are Moslem means it's hardly a shift to the Right, just a tactical vote against Blair.

So while a horrified few ex-liberals are begining to realise just what this all means for our future, things do indeed look bleak. Even if all Moslem immigration stopped soon, which it obviously wont, we are in big trouble. There must literally be millions of terrorist sympathisers already here, in some places long ago out-numbering the English. The type of conversations these guys were arrested for must go on all over the country, and they can't bug even a tiny fraction of them. I'm grateful the security services caught these traitors, but it must be that many more are going to slip through the net. And still they will import ten thousand more for every one that commits Islamicide...

I'm seriously wondering what "marketable skills" might get me a Green Card to the Midwest. (I know, but I'm a lurver not a fighter).

Posted by: Animus at May 29, 2006 10:41 PM

Any execrable Muslim who tries to suggest that "ALLAH" and the Hebrew or Christian godheads are one and the same... the "Abrahamic Faiths" assertion -- such persons are prevaricators. Allah is a terror God invented by a terrorist, and now worshipped by 1 billion idolators and counting...

Exactly. Muhammad couldn't convinve his own people to worship Yahweh, and couldn't convince the Jews to accept Allah. The two are qualitatively and historically different and incompatible deities. The Raelians are an Abrahamic faith. Ditto Branch Davidians. But the Muhammadan cult is Arab paganism, mere rock-worship, with a smattering of psuedo-Judaic antisemitism thrown in 'cuz he effectively wanted to destroy Judaism & the Jews.

Even the Temple of Psychick Youth accepts Christ's crucifixion...

Posted by: Animus at May 29, 2006 10:58 PM

We need lurvers to go with all the servers.

Anyway - it doesn't seem to matter these days... not, at least, to the people who 'count'.

Posted by: jsla at May 29, 2006 11:31 PM

Another diamond I find ... in duh_swami's vivid observations.

I would just add that it is a good thing that most Muslims aren't persuaded by Islam to "wallow" in excess death and destruction. Unfortunately, there is another side to that coin, which is that virtually all Muslims ARE conned by Islam into believing that those who do are to be admired for their commitment to the religion (or feared enough to sufficiently intimidate the non-violent into silence?). The average "moderate" Muslim has become so inured to cruelty in the name of religion, that he isn't bothered by it in the least, or if he is, he doesn't allow that to affect his behavior

You might like to read what "Dr. Sanity" has to say about the serious mental pathology underlying such disturbed behavior, if you haven't already...
1. http://drsanity.blogspot.com/2004/10/psychopathology-of-terrorism.html
2. http://drsanity.blogspot.com/2005/08/islamic-poison.html
3. http://drsanity.blogspot.com/2006/04/no-relation-to-reality-indeed.html

She also observes what I believe is one of the main reasons we are unable to fight these monsters effectively:
"somehow, our culture, once founded on and dedicated to rational thought is slowly evolving into a cult that worships emotion and whim at the expense of reason."
http://drsanity.blogspot.com/2005/09/feelings-countertransference-and.html

By abandoning reason, we have lost our guidance system, and are at the mercy of the prevailing winds of emotion unmoderated by intellect.. Oddly, this is the very problem with the Islamists, except that what drives their emotions is very different from what drives ours, which is why it is so foolish to rely on what we "feel" is "right" to fix what they "feel" is "wrong". It just ain't gonna happen!

Again, thanks duh_swami for your clear and accurate thoughts.

Posted by: yonason at May 30, 2006 1:05 AM

Anyway - it doesn't seem to matter these days... not, at least, to the people who 'count'.

...I also voted Conservative for all three choices - it was that or a spoiled paper. I'm hoping UKIP get their act together in time for the next general election. I agree with all the points made regarding the BNP by km and others here, and Nick Griffin writes coherently and persuasively, not least in renouncing racism. But within a few clicks from their website you can still find the old gutter politics of the NF, some of whom are still officials and associates of the BNP.

- I've just read the three links to Dr. Sanity's blog, all good points. One more is the flipside of Malignant Narcissism: those Jihadis who are fully aware that what they are doing is morally wrong, but also that their immorality is sanctioned by Islam.

When these ppl say "Islam is the fastest growing religion" they're right - it's the fastest growing religion within Islam. It has outgrown any pretence at social ethics, is unconcerned with spiritual transendance in this life, broken free from the semantics of "good" and "bad" as they relate to "right" and "wrong" or "correct" and "incorrect". Salman Rushdie has described it as a fire burning through the Islamic world, which must eventually burn itself out. Which isn't so optimistic when you think what it will take for them to realise what's "bad" for the rest of us equally "bad" for Islam.

Posted by: Animus at May 30, 2006 2:29 AM