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This is why British officials carried out such a large-scale raid. "Nervous informant who gave details of new terrorist device," from the TimesOnline, with thanks to Sr. Soph:
THE informant told MI5 that they did not have much time to stop another lethal terrorist attack on London.The details he passed on were so precise and so terrifying that intelligence agents had to drop some of their other investigations to concentrate on what was supposedly happening behind the net curtains of a neat terraced house in an East London suburb.
The belief was that the authorities had only days to act. Surveillance had to be hastily organised, the police and other agencies had to be told, along with ministers, that this time the terrorists were expected to use chemicals and not explosives to murder their victims.
The nervous informant claimed to have seen the chemical vest that the terrorist would use, and while he didn’t understand how the device would work, he did pass on a description and the address where he saw it. The man also offered a list of names.
Some elements of the story he had to tell agents bordered on the incredible, but security sources said that they dared not ignore this alert.
The trouble was that Operation Volga was happening at a time when Britain’s security apparatus was already dangerously overstretched. Bruised by recent public criticism of their conduct over the July 7 bombings, the police, intelligence agencies and senior ministers have deliberately let slip the scale of the threat facing Britain so that the country has some idea of the growing menace of Islamic extremists.
Read it all.
More on the chemical suicide vest they're looking for here.
Posted by Robert at June 3, 2006 3:32 AM
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Now that it is out in the open, I can comment freely on chemical/biological warfare. I, living under the delusion that the jihadis do not possess knowledge about C/B warfare, refrained from posting about it. The threat to Western nations is more from C/B warfare than from a nuclear device. These weapons cam be made readily, in fact easily. And I think that it is not very difficult to contaminate the water supply of a city. Complex variants of virus such as the bird flu can be made that spread from human to human. But the jihadis need not go that complex. They can utilize simple homemade devices that serve the purpose as well.(The purpose of killing infidels, by hook or by crook). But there is a positive side to C/B warfare as well. We can use these weapona against iran. In fact, this is a very clean way of conquering. The buildings remain intact, there is no job of cleaning up, other than the lifeless bodies of zombies. Are we capable of such ruthlessness ? Remains to be seen.
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at June 3, 2006 4:02 AM
Oh yes!! They shot him because he had a beard OMG!! The problem is that these "humans" actually believe all of their garbage.
I wonder how much they would agree with this statement if it was their family who enjoyed whatever nerve gas the vest contains.
Muslims seem to have indoctrinated(and exceptionally convenient) relative blindness.
No one targets Muslims for the sake of being Muslims just yet, not even the Israelis who probably have more right to do so than anybody else but do not because of their own ethics and their own "friendly " arabs.
But give everyone else enough time, enough reason(beheadings, massacres etc) and enough total lack of cooperation and being a Muslim may come to be equivalent to being in the SS in the view of the rest of the world.
10 mins if Hugh is alert
Posted by: Zathras at June 3, 2006 4:04 AM
Arjun...unless you use a self limiting toxin ( eg botulinus) biological warfare could be suicidal for muslims as they lack the willpower, the knowledge and the industrial capacity to make an effective biological agent as well as to immunise themselves against it. Certainly they could buy one from NK, China or Russia(?Mafia) but just how many immunisation shots could they afford?
The real risk is chemical weapons, toxins and variations like the anthrax powder. These have defined and limited actions and can be easily contained and usewd to "wipe out" a whole area or city.
Putting a couple of grams(cannot remember how much is needed but it isn't much) of Botulinus toxoid into the local water supply could kill off everyone who brushes their teeth the next morning. Similarly dropping some nerve gas over a city from a ballooon light plane(cropduster) or helicopter.
There is not limit to their evil and more so as in their eyes it is seen as doing good.
Posted by: Zathras at June 3, 2006 4:15 AM
oops that should read:"toxin" NOT toxoid..one is active and one is not.
(pleads for an "edit own post" capacity)
Posted by: Zathras at June 3, 2006 4:36 AM
There are some thoughts on chemical and biological weapons here:
http://www.americanthinker.com/articles.php?article_id=5351&search=dunn
The writer suggests that these weapons may not be as effective as people fear:
It’s not widely known that Aum Shinrikyo attempted nine biological attacks before the subway strike [with nerve gas]. None was successful.
As for Aum Shinrikyo's nerve gas attack, that killed 12. Halabja was far worse, but still not as bad as some predictions would have suggested.
Not to make light of the risks of such things, of course. But these weapons may not be as effective as people's fears lead them to believe, specially when terrorists are lacking competence in weapons handling as is, apparently, often the case.
Posted by: Yojimbo at June 3, 2006 4:37 AM
Zathras,
Botulinus is what I worry about most. You are bang on the first time. And we know that these savages do have people like a. q. khan, who, if could not develop, knew what to steal. I worry that they have someone who can work with botulinus. They don't need complex and sophisticated toxins and chemicals that require immunization. ONE muslim with botulinus can wipe out a country. Hell.
at June 3, 2006 4:58 AM
The authorities are seriously concerned that they have found something important by the flight exclusion zone implimented over east London. I cannot remember how high planes have to fly over the area for the next few days, but I had not realised how much noise we get from aircraft, even as far into Mondeoland as I live, until now that they are higher and thus quieter. I was in the garden last night, watching the vapour trails where usually my husband (better eyesight) can read the tail name plates.
Posted by: Granny Weatherwax at June 3, 2006 5:31 AM
Hope Dubya, with his limited IQ, can see what 'Religion of Peace' is up to and Condi is reading this about the 'benevolence that is in the heart of Islam'.
Posted by: Alert at June 3, 2006 7:34 AM
Here's my favourite bit of the reports in the Times:
"Scientific experts had to delay a detailed search of the house in Lansdown Road while officials from the Independent Police Complaints Commission moved into the property to begin their investigation into the shooting."
Priorities. Seems it's more important to investigate if the police had to shoot him or not than getting forensic clues that might lead us to the missing vest.
Basically, we're going to lose, aren't we?
Posted by: Bert Preast at June 3, 2006 8:38 AM
Kortnie and Bert Preast...I know what I would do but if I say it Hugh will delete me as usual.
It appears that Muslims can threaten to behead and kill and invoke genocide at will but no one else is allowed the privilige of speaking of similar ways of solving the problem as we are more civilised supposedly.
Like the late civilised christian countries of north Africa and the middle east we will succumb if we kid ourselves that being better is sufficient.
Posted by: Zathras at June 3, 2006 9:04 AM
Zathras:
I caution against advocacy of the same sort of violence that these animals would like to see us descend into. Nonetheless, I understand your emotion as I feel it too. Let us hope that civilization (and law enforcement) can keep the situation manageable. If it becomes intolerable and they continue to succeed in these "pious" missions, all bets are off. Violence will spread all over Europe. I do not wish this to happen, but one can certainly see how it could lead to that.
I hope this blog reaches the widest readership possible. To that end, one must never advocate violence even when we feel rage. You must remember that. We are not the primitives that the Moslems are.
at June 3, 2006 11:31 AM
I think maybe General Powell was right. You find the head of the snake and you cut it off.
With Islam thats a little hard to do. Thats because you can take the jihadist out of Islam, but you cant take Islam out of the jihadist.
Islam has no 'head office' that can be bombed.
You can arrest or kill the directors but that wont stop jihad, because every muslim 'is' Islam by submission, and agreement. That's why they call each other 'brother or sister'. They are all related. They are also 'obligated' to participate and support jihad. Allah understands the concept of 'united we stand, divided we fall', and has united every muslim, in him, by possessing their minds and souls (a devilish act). They are one in Allah, and Allah is one in them. That means that there is not one snake's head, there are billion's of them and each one can act with nation's, group's, or alone.
It's not possible, practical or humane to kill them all. But we might be able to kill Allah.
The war should be fought on two fronts. To arrest or kill active jihadists, and to try and kill Allah. Allah is not God, but a bad idea, who's time has come for the trash heap of wasted energy. For awake muslims, the idea of 'know the truth, and the truth will set you free' has potent meaning. Truth bullets are the most effective means of killing Allah. In reality, he cant stand a serious investigation...
at June 3, 2006 11:37 AM
"unless you use a self limiting toxin ( eg botulinus) biological warfare could be suicidal for muslims as they lack the willpower, the knowledge and the industrial capacity to make an effective biological agent as well as to immunise themselves against it."
--from Zathras
Zathras, let us not forget that these guys aren't particularly concerned with self-preservation after an attack. Remember, they've got those 72 virgins and little boys waiting for them after martyrdom.
Posted by: big7625 at June 3, 2006 12:42 PM
Kafir Nonbeliever...I was a pacifist for years until I realised that "turning the other cheek" as did the christians in North Africa has NO effect on those without compassion, pity, mercy or any positive virtue and in fact encourages those who cannot believe that someone is stupid enough to just "take it" and who see it as a sign of weakness.
In the concentration camps pacifism was inverted into making it easy for those whose aim was to destroy the inmates. There was almost no respect shown for pacifism as it simply made the job of genocide easier.
My attititude is that we have been too humane and too pacifist with these people for far too long and to treat them as equals is a big mistake. They do not think like us and they do not have access to the same ethics as most of us. Nor do they feel that we are their equals but regard us as untermenschen or kaf'rs. You cannot reason with them, nor can you honestly negotiate with them and simply saying that we should and must maintains the charade of equality.
You cannot fight an enemy like this from the high moral ground as it does NOT work. This war is akin to the pacific war where allied soldiers had to adjust their ethics to that if the enemy if they were to survive. I do understand that for the sake of public discernment here we have to pretend that we are all good and pious pacifists here but I see only defeat in that direction.
I see only possible peace in a recognition that it is ISLAM that is the enemy and that most Muslims must make their mind up very quickly about being for or against us and those who say "against" or who show evidence of it should be deported instantly. I do not yet advocate violence towards the greater muslim community but if their efforts to terrorise western countries continues then it will happen regardless of what I say.
If we win we can return to our ethics and reclaim the high ground. If we lose there will be no high ground just a cemetery full of good intentions.
Posted by: Zathras at June 3, 2006 12:44 PM
big7625....I did not mean just those who spread a biological agent. Obviously thse could die quite quickly but they could hardly walk around with protective gear on and there would be a very high chance of their community receiving a dose also and they might not be happy about the 72 houris or white raisins.
Most dangerous biological agents such as modified ebola etc are droplet spread and only mass pre-immunisation could allow a group to survive. of course, to use such an agent where no one is Muslim is possible but would make it much harder to succeed. I doubt really if any jihadist group has the capacity for this. Even Iran with all of its money and all of its intellectuals needed to buy a lot of its nuclear equipment from elsewhere as well as even its blueprints. This is not exactly new technology so heaven help them if they decide to go biological.
Posted by: Zathras at June 3, 2006 1:24 PM
Kafir Nonbeliever: "Let us hope that civilization (and law enforcement) can keep the situation manageable."
No offense, but isn't that exactly where we've been since 1979? Isn't this EXACTLY the attitude which has allowed Muslim scum to infiltrate our domain? Isn't this EXACTLY the attitude which feeds their arrogance and their sense that they are ascending and we are declining?
Don't fool yourself!
The situation has been thought to be "manageable" for more than 3 decades -- while Muslims bitterly chew our treasures of freedom and wealth to shreds.
When is enough is enough? 9/11 worked for me. Do you have to see one more 9/11, perhaps this time on your shore? More than that? Five more 9/11s? Ten more? When do we say STOP?
Muslims must be repudiated NOW. Islam must be cut down to size and crushed NOW. Otherwise we will continue to see the heinousness increase, the violence increase, the barbarity of their attacks increase, our confusion will increase along with our ability to contend with the nightmare they want to visit upon us.
Do we wait to FIGHT until weare Israel? Nigeria? Bulgaria or Kosovo? India? France? Turkey? I refuse to wait until our financial districts are denied to us from anthrax or radiation. I refuse to wait until our food makes us worry, and our water makes us sick. I refuse to wait until sufficient numbers of filthy Muslims constitute swing votes -- enough to turn elections in their favor, or until we are hemmed in on every side as they are in London, Paris, Berlin, and Amsterdam, their cities burning -- their politicians paralyzed, their citizens beginning to die in spiralling numbers...
We have the ways and means NOW. But we don't, as yet, seem to have the recognition of the facts, or the imagination and will to deal with the truth.
Oddly -- proposals made today, which many would label "fascist" and "extremist" and "nazi", will appear like the tender mercies of the saints tomorrow.
Do we do this smart and nice or do we do this dumb and nasty? Or do we do it at all?
Posted by: jsla at June 3, 2006 1:44 PM
"But these weapons may not be as effective as people's fears lead them to believe, specially when terrorists are lacking competence in weapons handling as is, apparently, often the case."
Again, no offense Yojimbo but...
For those who comfort themselves in opinions such as this that chemical weapons are probably not that effective -- I suggest that you and all who allege such things might lack imagination. I won't describe methods, but I can think of 3 or 4 FAILSAFE methods to disperse extremely poisonous toxins cheaply and easily. I can imagine ways that a .50 cent bullet and a high calibre rifle can cause an explosion the size of a tiny nucelar warhead.
I work in hollywood -- the land of make believe... Did 9/11 seem to anyone else like a plot out of the comics or silly Arnold Schwarteneggar movie? Does UBL seem like one of those crazy preposterous superfiends -- a modern day Lex Luthor if you will?
If 9/11 and UBL have sprung from the pages of fantasy, if plots and characters can suddenly manifest before our eyes and unleash nightmares, then be CERTAIN that the Muslim beast can imagine ways to kill you and bring your country to its knees.
I suggest you don't take comfort until this enemy is DEAD.
Posted by: jsla at June 3, 2006 1:56 PM
Amazing the new terminology we are learning.
A "chemical suicide vest" -
One possibly owed by the postman!
We are all getting an education in terror.
at June 3, 2006 3:13 PM
If there is no vest, this could be a set-up and the "informant" could be part of a planned entrapment. I would arrest the informant in that case-and make sure he goes to trial. One way or other-he'll sing a truthful song then.
But maybe the "informant" is legit. We'll see.
Posted by: Frank at June 3, 2006 3:28 PM
What are the motives of the "informant"? I would grill this guy if nothing is found. This smells like a set-up. I do not trust appearances as reality. As someone used to say, quoting a Russian proverb, "Trust but verify".
If it is a set-up the informant had better be put in protective custody or he might disappear. In any case, if it is a set-up, then the informant could make this blow-up in the face of those who set-up the police.
Posted by: Frank at June 3, 2006 3:36 PM
Keep in mind that Muslim boards have been chattering for weeks about "provocations" and upcoming "events" and warning their co-religionists not to "over-react". I began noticing something may be brewing about 6 weeks ago. More conspiracy theories? More disinformation by them? What do they know, and what aren't they telling.?
The imminent World Cup seems like a very likely candidate. The advent of 06-06-06 -- coming in just 3 days -- is certainly a very ominous date... Wouldn't you agree?
Posted by: jsla at June 3, 2006 3:36 PM
jsla-
There is something a bit too organized about the reaction. Wars are not always won on the battle field-they are often won via propaganda. You mentioned "provocations"-this may be a ruse to divert attention, waste police resourses, and gain a propaganda victory.
I would put this "informant" in custody-charge him with perjury-and throw the book at him. (And keep everyone else (except police and court officials) away from him for now. (Why was he so "nervous"?-was he lying?)
at June 3, 2006 3:47 PM
"War is deception" as Mohammad and Sung T'zu noted.
at June 3, 2006 4:11 PM
Are you suggesting some kind of UK conspiracy theory to "frame innocent Muslims"???
Posted by: jsla at June 3, 2006 4:14 PM
I'm suggesting a conspiracy among Muslims to frame the UK police.
Posted by: Frank at June 3, 2006 4:16 PM
I'm suggesting a conspiracy among some Muslims to frame the UK police. The police would have no choice but to divert resourses on this matter-considering its urgency. They would not have the time to check out the data provided to the police. If the "informant" is a plant then the clerics there will demonstrate against the police, etc.
This might be a set-up aimed at damaging the UK police. But it could back-fire if that is the case. The "informant" is the key-frankly, I have a bad vibe about him.
Posted by: Frank at June 3, 2006 4:24 PM
Oh I see... interesting take. It isn't without precedence. We all might remember those bearded "disaffected youths" in the days immediately after 9/11 speeding through the toll booth in Florida, and overheard earlier in the day laughing about 9/11 at a restaurant... This was a deliberate Muslim provocation -- conceived in the hopes of concocting another pretense for more Muslim outrage and more Muslim outbursts. I say let's call their bluff every time.
There they were, rampaging across infidel lands, basically defecating on us after their religion had raped NY... Had we gunned them down (appropriately) I know we would never have heard the end of it from Muslim "rights" groups:
"Remember the slaughter of the righteous young martyrs in Florida in the post 9/11 anti-Islamic hysteria?"
I would have welcomed both the shooting of those bearded disaffected bastards, and the Muslim howls afterwards. We will do best once everyone understands that they are complete enemies, and that they only care about undermining us and defaming us at every turn.
Let them lash out. Let them speak. Let them utter their heinousness hatred in Mosques in Germany and France and the world over. Let the world know the ugliness of Islam.
I am not interested in suppressing Islam. I am not interested in "reforming" Islam.
Posted by: jsla at June 3, 2006 4:35 PM
I also thought you were insightful (inciteful?) when you observed elsewhere that sending in 250 cops for this kind of operation may send the wrong message.
We shouldn't do anything to stroke their absurdist notions of their own superiority and rectitude. But perhaps the authorities also had in mind the shock value, just mere days after revealing the hugeness of the insurrection already going on in the UK. Talk about an insurgency. The hot part just hasn't started yet. But I'm sad to say that it's coming.
Posted by: jsla at June 3, 2006 4:41 PM
jsla-
Already the clerics are calling for demonstrations. Why are they so sure there is no vest-and so-quickly-so-sure. This stinks.
The bad vibe I got re the "informant" was when reports described him as "very nervous". This guy Mr. Informant should be put in protective custody-now. If this is a set-up-it could back-fire big time and expose such deceptive methods used by the "clerics".
Posted by: Frank at June 3, 2006 4:42 PM
Yep. Whatever happens, bring it on.
Posted by: jsla at June 3, 2006 4:50 PM
The cops had no choice but to act fast and with massive numbers. As for the constant charges of conspiracy by Muslim clerics claiming that the UK police are setting them up....perhaps the clerics are projecting their methods on the UK Police?
Maybe the UK police should start charging them with setting-up the UK police? That may be a big move to what is really going on in these matters.
Posted by: Frank at June 3, 2006 4:52 PM
You're definitely onto something with the projection theory.
Every horrid accusation made by a Muslim about abridgement of his rights, disrespect for his person or his religion, is a projection of how he thinks of us.
Since this seems to be a ubiquitous feature of Muslims the world over, I am convinced that the whole ball of wax must be dealt with, starting with mass deportations of Muslims from non-Muslim lands in the West.
Their regard for us is so low, that we can barely imagine it. I remember in December of 2001, just months after 9/11, we were ferreting out the sewage in the sewer of one particular fort in Afghanistan. It's the same dump that the craven coward Johnny Taliban was in.
There was this arrogant sewage stained "youth" they dug out of the pit, smeared with filth and shivering. Yet several things immediately struck me:
There he stood, having spent nearly a week up to his chest in sewage, in a hole in prison with bombs falling all around -- he was no doubt cold and hungry, and one may have expected him to be bowed. But he stared into the camera of his military interviewers and said in perfect English: "You are kaffr. You are dust to us."
I could see this verminous dog was completely unbowed, and that we probably faced an undeterrable enemy. I had to look up "Kaffr." I had to read more about Islam and Pakistan and Saudi Arabia and Iran. I had to understand how he could be so utterly defeated, and yet remain so utterly glib in his superiority. Something just wasn't right about this new/old enemy. Now we're all learning what we're up against in them.
They will stop at nothing to defeat us -- all of the clever Muslim liars notwithstanding... People will either finally connect the dots and fight, or finally announce their willingness to be dominated. This is going to get far worse before it gets better. I worry about the coming days in Europe and in England.
Posted by: jsla at June 3, 2006 5:08 PM
I've had two close friends in my life, one is an Arab-Muslim and the other was an Irish Catholic guy (he died of Diabetes-he went into an insulin shock coma and died. It was hard to take. I knew him for 25 years.) But both of these people have one thing in common (actually with me)-they are very honest people and don't take any crap. Both souls are really fiercely independent.
I can tell you that all Muslims are not happy with Islam as the clerics define it. Not at all. There is a lot of questioning going on out there (at least in America).
I live in the land of Dar-Al-Honesty. It's God's country-LOL.
Posted by: Frank at June 3, 2006 5:58 PM
I have to agree that this could be a setup operation to discredit the police and intelligence services. I agree that the informant should be arrested and charged, lets see what happens when the legal system starts picking over his associations and motives.
I agree with jsla that the hot part of the insurgency has yet to start and a good starting place could be the World cup. Packed pubs watching games will make high impact targets.
I also expect Germany its self to have some serious confrontations. The world cup in France was notable for its Muslim youths around Marseille causing trouble with visiting fans. Germany has a large Islamic population as well, it should prove interesting.
Posted by: km at June 3, 2006 6:01 PM
km-
My intuition on the matter reminds me of Edward G. Robinson's reaction to the insurance salesman in the movie Double Indemnity. Edward G. said "I have a little man who starts waling about in a stomach when something doesn't add-up." He looks Fred Mc Murray in the eye and says, "What you are telling me doesn't add-up."
It's been awhile since I've seen the movie (I'm close in the words), but I know the feeling that Edward G. Robinson was expressing through the character he played (I think he was the insurance co. manager). Though I tend to rely on fact-reason-I don't ignore hunches.
Posted by: Frank at June 3, 2006 6:17 PM
Right on, Frank. You are a hunch-man! So far your observations have been very good from all those I've read at this site.
Posted by: jsla at June 3, 2006 6:23 PM
I can tell you that all Muslims are not happy with Islam as the clerics define it. Not at all. There is a lot of questioning going on out there (at least in America).
Posted by: Frank at June 3, 2006 05:58 PM
++++++++++++++++
If the mo's ever decide to standup and destroy the jihadists across the globe, then I will believe in a mo being something besides a mo, but I will not hold my breath.
A lot of germans didn't like hitler, but he drove germany into WWII and the innocents died with the guilty.
Remember this, a mo will lie to you to get you to believe in the lies of islam. There is no penalty under islam to lieto, steal from, enslave or murder an infidel.
You mo friend may be your best friend, but if it ever comes time for him to chose between you and islam, do not turn your back to him.
Posted by: Texican at June 3, 2006 11:39 PM
Most of the BBC reporting on this issue at the moment concentrates on questions concerning the shooting of one of the suspects, with the lawyer saying that no warning was given and that the suspect said all he did was get out of bed and walk out of his room and was then shot.
Another aspect being widely reported is the anger of the local 'community' at not being shown any evidence of wrongdoing. Apparently they suspect the police had no good grounds for the raid, are annoyed at the disruption being caused and want the police out.Local 'community' leaders are being liaised with by the police and say they will back the authorities to the hilt if they can be shown there has been criminal activity.
Meanwhile one newspaper claims the plot involved cyanide while another claims it was all about anthrax. The theories that the man was shot by his brother or in a struggle are also being floated.
The police really ought to get a grip on their communications with the media: this whole business seems to be surrounded by confusion at the moment.
at June 4, 2006 12:28 AM
If we win we can return to our ethics and reclaim the high ground. If we lose there will be no high ground just a cemetery full of good intentions.
Posted by: Zathras at June 3, 2006 12:44 PM
Well put, Zathras!
Posted by: Alert at June 4, 2006 1:04 AM
"I caution against advocacy of the same sort of violence that these animals would like to see us descend into."
If the West had 1,000 instances of lynchings and riots against Muslims, we would still be far, far behind their record of depraved epilepsy. What happened after 911? Calm in the streets. What happened after Bali? Same thing in Australia. After Madrid? Did those warmer southern Mediterranean tempers flare? Not a bit. After London? Nothing. After the seige of the Moscow Theater, the Beslan atrocity, and the half dozen suicide bombings in Russia? Nothing. After the riots in France? -- oh wait, those had nothing to do with Islam, right...
And does our PC-dominated culture give us any credit for this? No: there is hand-wringing about Islamophobia and anxiety without a shred of evidence about "backlashes", and continual whitewashes of Islam and careful surgical detachment of the tiny minority of extremists from the larger, blameless, peaceful Islam.
at June 4, 2006 1:07 AM
"Alert" mentioned the phrase "religion of peace" that one so sickeningly hears all the time. Sickening because it's an utter lie. It's as much a lie as the "arbeit machen frie" slogan that the nazi's hung over the gates of Auschwitz. And speaking of nazi's, Hitler's propaganda minister Goebbels famously said, "Tell a lie often enough and it will become the truth." Ergo, "religion of peace" is nothing but an Orwellian lie, but it's used so much people actually believe it.
We should be very diligent in countering that lie with the truth: "Religion of vengeance and violence."
THAT'S the truth!
Posted by: Kortnie at June 3, 2006 08:46 AM
Kortnie, if you look closely, I am quoting (and questioning his IQ) Dubya and Condi. In all humility, I know better than falling for the 'Religion of Peace' Taquiyya. You make a an important point, none-the-less.
at June 4, 2006 1:12 AM
"Alert" mentioned the phrase "religion of peace" that one so sickeningly hears all the time. Sickening because it's an utter lie. It's as much a lie as the "arbeit machen frie" slogan that the nazi's hung over the gates of Auschwitz. And speaking of nazi's, Hitler's propaganda minister Goebbels famously said, "Tell a lie often enough and it will become the truth." Ergo, "religion of peace" is nothing but an Orwellian lie, but it's used so much people actually believe it.
We should be very diligent in countering that lie with the truth: "Religion of vengeance and violence."
THAT'S the truth!
Posted by: Kortnie at June 3, 2006 08:46 AM
Kortnie, if you look closely, I am quoting (and questioning his IQ) Dubya and Condi. In all humility, I know better than falling for the 'Religion of Peace' Taquiyya. You make a an important point, none-the-less.
at June 4, 2006 1:12 AM
"Alert" mentioned the phrase "religion of peace" that one so sickeningly hears all the time. Sickening because it's an utter lie. It's as much a lie as the "arbeit machen frie" slogan that the nazi's hung over the gates of Auschwitz. And speaking of nazi's, Hitler's propaganda minister Goebbels famously said, "Tell a lie often enough and it will become the truth." Ergo, "religion of peace" is nothing but an Orwellian lie, but it's used so much people actually believe it.
We should be very diligent in countering that lie with the truth: "Religion of vengeance and violence."
THAT'S the truth!
Posted by: Kortnie at June 3, 2006 08:46 AM
Kortnie, if you look closely, I am quoting (and questioning his IQ) Dubya and Condi. In all humility, I know better than falling for the 'Religion of Peace' Taquiyya. You make a an important point, none-the-less.
at June 4, 2006 1:12 AM
Like Diogenes, some here still believe in the "myth of the moderate Musalim"
and search for him constantly.
We constantly hear about just how mainstream Muslims are disaffected by the
clerics and the extremists.
I would LOVE to believe this but really even if it were true(and I do not for
a second believe that it is) then they must be a useless limp wristed bunch
with the capacity to function of a pregnant sloth on maternity leave.
If they are so NUMEROUS why do they not act?
Surely they must kniw that the tide is turning as Islam is being viewed by
more and more westerners as not a religion but a violent group akin to the SS and the present source of most of the world's evils.
If they are such decent lawabiding people w(ith respect for ALL of mankind and
not just fellow sectarian muslims) who really do love their new countries or
want "peace"(that elusive and nonexistent state in a sectarian Muslim world
that NO Muslim has yet truly witnessed) WHY DON'T WE SEE THEM IN ACTION ON THE
STREETS AND IN THE MEDIA? and NOT just occasionally but always and especially
after EVERY blatant attack on nonMuslims?
SO until that happens, the moderate Muslims, while he may not be quite as rara
avis as a thylacine(*cringes*), is about as useful as a balloon paperweight and is not worth ONE second of consideration here.
at June 4, 2006 1:34 AM
Zathras posted above:
"Like Diogenes, some here still believe in the "myth of the moderate Musalim" and search for him constantly."
Man, that conjures up some wonderful imagery!
I almost pissed myself laughing.
Very well said Zathras.
Posted by: Anthony at June 4, 2006 4:46 AM
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