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More on Chand aka Shakur: "Plan to 'behead' PM: Brampton court hears of plot to storm Parliament Hill and take politicians hostage," from the Toronto Star, with thanks to Sr. Soph:
The terrorism suspect who allegedly plotted to behead the Prime Minister was a Canadian soldier for four years and likely received weapons training.The Toronto Star has learned that Steven Vikash Chand was a member of the Royal Regiment of Canada, a reservist unit that meets in Toronto.
Chand, who later converted to Islam and went by the name Abdul Shakur, is charged with belonging to a terrorist group, receiving training and recruiting or training others to participate in terrorist activity. The charges partly involve allegations that Chand and eight other suspects spent five days last winter in a remote field in Washago, Ont., to participate in terrorist training.
Cmdr. Denise Laviolette confirmed yesterday that Chand was once in the military, but sought to dispel any suggestion that the 25-year-old was a well-honed soldier. Instead, she described Chand as a reservist who was absent for much of his time in uniform and completed few of the qualifications required for infantry soldiers....
Chand's lawyer, Gary Batasar, stunned the courtroom by revealing that his client and the 16 others are accused of being involved in a "detailed terrorist plot," which included plans to storm the Parliament buildings in Ottawa, take political hostages, harm hostages if Canadian troops did not withdraw from Afghanistan, and to attack media outlets including the CBC.
Relying on a synopsis provided by government lawyers, Batasar indicated that Chand was also alleged as a suspect "likely to behead Prime Minister Stephen Harper."...
Laviolette confirmed it's likely Chand received some training on the C-7 assault rifle, the mainstay weapon for Canada's frontline soldiers that can fire up to 940 rounds a minute, and perhaps the Browning 9 mm pistol, as well.
The regiment website boasts that its soldiers are trained in how to use rifles and pistols, explosives and pyrotechnics, missiles and grenades, unarmed combat and "employ ... battle procedures including camouflage and concealment, internal security, patrol, escape and evasion tactics."...
Sometime after leaving the military, Chand began hanging out near the Salaheddin Islamic Centre in Scarborough, playing sports with some of the youths and becoming interested in Islam, the centre's imam, Aly Hindy, said yesterday.
Hindy said while he did not know Chand well, he did instruct him during a few sessions about Islam.
A mosque member who knew Chand, Mohamed Ally, said Chand visited schools to help troubled youths find religion.
"He's innocent," he said. "He's very humble, peaceful brother."
Of course. Ally knows the script well.
Posted by Robert at June 7, 2006 8:30 AM
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Haniyeh: long battle against Zionist enemy
Palestinian Prime Minister Ismail Haniyeh said that the Battle that the Palestinian people are waging against the "Zionist enemy" is long and vicious.
"The Palestinian people, especially those active in the region, should take care of themselves, their blood, and their people since the fight against the occupation is a long one. Be watchful and don't fall into traps, struggles, and unilateral conflicts," said Haniyeh during a visit in a new center of matriculation exams in the PA. (Ali Waked)
"I have installed my King [a]
on Zion, my holy hill."..Psalm 2:6....... Sing praises to the LORD, enthroned in Zion;
proclaim among the nations what he has done....Psalm 9:11......It is beautiful in its loftiness,
the joy of the whole earth.
Like the utmost heights of Zaphon [a] is Mount Zion,
the city of the Great King....Psalm 48:2.......The sons of your oppressors will come bowing before you;
all who despise you will bow down at your feet
and will call you the City of the LORD,
Zion of the Holy One of Israel....Isa 60:14......22But you have come to Mount Zion, to the heavenly Jerusalem, the city of the living God. You have come to thousands upon thousands of angels in joyful assembly,......Heb 12:22..( So just who are they fighting? )
at June 7, 2006 8:44 AM
Was Chand hindu before. I can't understand why he would sell out and become muslim. Its about as incomprehensible as Cat stevens becoming Yusuf Islam. How insane must someone be. How big a loser to find Islam.
This Chand's guys relatives were probably brave fighters who were martyred by Islam. What a shame.
Posted by: pissedoffcanadian
at June 7, 2006 8:44 AM
Many young men are attracted to the anti-establisment militancy of islam. THat's the draw for them. That is also the draw for the Left - anti-establisment-ism. Kind of like the Left-wing terror groups in Europe in the '70s. And nothing is more left wing that wanting blow up parliament.
Why would an indian convert to islam? By rights, he shouldn't. However, when islam draws from other races, it does tend to have more success in non-white populations. In the US, it draws mainly from the black population. I think the reason is that there is an anti-western, and by extension, an anti-white sentiment in islam. So non-whites who think along those lines find islam interesting and appealing. That is why militant blacks in the US tend to be muslim converts. Islam suits their ideological bent. As far as Cat Stevens, well I guess he was left-wing enough to join the same anti-establishment, anti-western cause of islam.
Posted by: somethingaboutislam
at June 7, 2006 9:03 AM
Barbarians within the gate.
Posted by: Shy Guy
at June 7, 2006 9:04 AM
Indeed, a hindu giving up hinduism for islam, little have they learnt from the srimad-bhagavad gita in comparison to the qur'an.
What surprises me is how so many of these muslims always say: "But we know him as such a good guy/girl, he/she would never do that."
Then again, should it surprise me? Sounds so typical to mislead.
at June 7, 2006 9:30 AM
"A mosque member who knew Chand, Mohamed Ally, said Chand visited schools to help troubled youths find religion."
-- from the article above
"Troubled youths."
"Find religion."
Posted by: Hugh
at June 7, 2006 9:45 AM
If only Thomas could have talked to Steven to disabuse him of his distortion of the true Islam...
at June 7, 2006 10:54 AM
Just heard an npr show on the arrests:
http://www.onpointradio.org/shows/2006/06/20060607_a_main.asp
The show itself was nothing but an attempt yet again to convince us that Islam is innocent that it is all the fault of the US, the war in Iraq, the neocons, and all the other usual suspects. Anything and anyone except the Islamic religion and the people who adhere to this bestial faith.
at June 7, 2006 11:03 AM
pissedoffcanadian:
I read in one of the Toronto papers that Chand is a convert from Hinduism with Sri Lankan heritage - not sure whether he emigrated to Canada as a child or was born here.
Posted by: johnb
at June 7, 2006 11:05 AM
The cult of islam is very powerful. It draws people like we have seen in the case of the Swiss spy and the French lady who was going to blow up her child in iraq. The attraction may be from the complete fatalism of islam, or the simple basic cultist ingrediants. The life of an islamic is not complicated. Bang heads on the floor 5 times, kill infidels, rape female infidels, rape children, saw off heads of all and sundry, blow yourself up, and land in heaven with 72 virgins and 24 boys to boot. Perfect life for losers.
Posted by: arjun.sevak
at June 7, 2006 11:21 AM
Scribe, but heard a radio interview early this morning featuring Canadian authorities. Their typical knee jerk trick of bashing America in order to make themselves feel better kept bursting through. I can only paraphrase, but it went something like this:
"Government is much friendlier in Canada -- you won't see our capitol bristling with weapons and men with machine guns and armor like you do in the US."
Still -- there were moments where it seemed the shock might be penetrating their numb skulls.
Nevertheless, it's disturbing to hear how entrenched the America-bashing ethos is among Canadians.
I fear this incident may not be sufficient to shock them into becoming adults. The lure of that comfortable old blanket of favorably comparing Canada against the American bogeyman still persist strongly, I fear.
I say to my Canadian friends who haven't clued in yet: Be conficted about your vulnerabilities. Be VERY conflicted.
Posted by: jsla
at June 7, 2006 11:31 AM
BTW -- your link says "host unreachable" on my computer -- hopefully A LOT of people are paying attention to this close call.
Posted by: jsla
at June 7, 2006 11:35 AM
I predict that one day a muslim group will attempt a coup-de-etat in a western country, like when they have planned to storm the Canadian parliament. They are not strong enough to take over power anywhere in the west, so such an attempt will be the shock that forces the western world to wake up and face reality.
"So it has been written, so it shall be done.." That is my prophecy...
Posted by: seville844
at June 7, 2006 11:35 AM
I predict that one day a muslim group will attempt a coup-de-etat in a western country... such an attempt will be the shock that forces the western world to wake up and face reality.
Nah. You sorely underestimate the blithely torpid inertia of PC.
Posted by: Television
at June 7, 2006 11:59 AM
I just saw a press conference on CBC held by imams in Quebec. They spent about 30 seconds expressing their thanks to the police authorities for their sensitivity by denying any link between the terrorists and Islam. (Apparently, this issue had been discussed between the police and Muslim leaders before the first press conference of the police last week, in which the initial announcements had been made). In the remaining approximately 5 minutes of coverage of the imams' press conference consisted of accusations about alleged but unspecified "racism," "profiling," and "Islamophobia," disavowals of any connection between terrorism and Islam, etc.
Lots of talk about the sanctity of Islam. Not one mention about the sanctity of the human lives that would have been lost had the terrorist plot been allowed to be carried out. These imams are sick. Hundreds of lives could have been lost, and all they are worried about is Islam's public image.
My post would not be complete without this (the imams didn't get around to discussing it, but I expect a full disclosure any time now):
Sahih Bukhari, Volume 4, Book 52, Number 220: Narrated Abu Huraira: Allah's Apostle said, "I have been sent with the shortest expressions bearing the widest meanings, and I have been made victorious with terror (cast in the hearts of the enemy), and while I was sleeping, the keys of the treasures of the world were brought to me and put in my hand." Abu Huraira added: Allah's Apostle has left the world and now you, people, are bringing out those treasures (i.e. the Prophet did not benefit by them).
Koran, 8:12. “When your Lord revealed to the angels: I am with you, therefore make firm those who believe. I will cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieve. Therefore strike off their heads and strike off every fingertip of them.”
Ishaq:327 “Allah said, ‘A prophet must slaughter before collecting captives. A slaughtered enemy is driven from the land. Muhammad, you craved the desires of this world, its goods and the ransom captives would bring. But Allah desires killing them to manifest the religion.’”
8:35 “And their worship at the (holy) House is naught but whistling and hand-clapping. Therefore (it is said unto them): Taste of the doom because ye disbelieve.”
Ishaq:530 "Get out of his way, you infidel unbelievers. Every good thing goes with the Apostle. I believe in his word. We will fight you about its interpretations as we have fought you about its revelation with strokes that will remove heads and make enemies of friends."
Ishaq:576 “Allah and His servant overwhelmed every coward. Allah honored us and made our religion victorious. We were glorified and destroyed them all. Allah humiliated them in the worship of Satan. By what our Apostle recites from the Book and by our swift horses, I liked the punishment the infidels received. Killing them was sweeter than drink. We galloped among them panting for the spoil.
Ishaq:288 “The Quraysh said, ‘Muhammad and his Companions have violated the sacred month, shed blood, seized property, and taken men captive. Muhammad claims that he is following obedience to Allah, yet he is the first to violate the holy month and to kill.’”
Ishaq:327 “Allah made booty lawful and good. He used it to incite the Muslims to unity of purpose. So enjoy what you have captured.”
Ishaq:489 "Do the bastards think that we are not their equal in fighting? We are men who believe there is no shame in killing. We don't turn from piercing lances. We smite the heads of the haughty with blows that quash the zeal of the unyielding [non-Muslims]. We're heroes, protecting our war banner. We are a noble force, as fierce as wolves. We preserve our honor and protect our property by smashing heads."
Ibn Ishaq:572 "Muhammad is the man, an Apostle of my Lord. Evil was the state of our enemy so they lost the day. Fortunes change and we came upon them like lions from the thickets. The armies of Allah came openly, flying at them in rage, so they could not get away. We destroyed them and forced them to surrender. In the former days there was no battle like this; their blood flowed freely. We slew them and left them in the dust. Those who escaped were choked with terror. A multitude of them were slain. This is Allah's war in which those who do not accept Islam will have no helper. War destroyed the tribe and fate the clan."
Tabari IX:69 "We are Allah's helpers and the viziers of His Messenger. We Fight people until they believe in Allah. He who believes in Allah and His Messenger has protected his life and possessions from us. As for one who disbelieves, we will Fight him forever in the Cause of Allah. Killing him is a small matter to us."
Ishaq: 676 “‘You obey a stranger who encourages you to murder for booty. You are greedy men. Is there no honor among you?’ Upon hearing those lines Muhammad said, ‘Will no one rid me of this woman?’ Umayr, a zealous Muslim, decided to execute the Prophet’s wishes. That very night he crept into the writer’s home while she lay sleeping surrounded by her young children. There was one at her breast. Umayr removed the suckling babe and then plunged his sword into the poet. The next morning in the mosque, Muhammad, who was aware of the assassination, said, ‘You have helped Allah and His Apostle.’ Umayr said. ‘She had five sons; should I feel guilty?’ ‘No,’ the Prophet answered. ‘Killing her was as meaningless as two goats butting heads.’”
Ishaq:312 “Umar said to the Apostle, ‘Let me pull out Suhayl’s two front teeth. That way his tongue will stick out and he will never be able to speak against you again.’”
Sahih Bukhari, Volume 5, Book 59, Number 369: This describes the killing of Ka’b bin al-Ashraf.
Ishaq:368 “Ka’b’s body was left prostrate [humbled in submission]. After his fall, all of the Nadir Jews were brought low. Sword in hand we cut him down. By Muhammad’s order we were sent secretly by night. Brother killing brother. We lured him to his death with guile [cunning or deviousness]. Travelling by night, bold as lions, we went into his home. We made him taste death with our deadly swords. We sought victory for the religion of the Prophet.”
Tabari VII:97/Ishaq:368 “We carried Ka’b’s head and brought it to Muhammad during the night. We saluted him as he stood praying and told him that we had slain Allah’s enemy. When he came out to us we cast Ashraf’s head before his feet. The Prophet praised Allah that the poet had been assassinated and complimented us on the good work we had done in Allah’s Cause. Our attack upon Allah’s enemy cast terror among the Jews, and there was no Jew in Medina who did not fear for his life.’”
Tabari VII:97 “The morning after the murder of Ashraf, the Prophet declared, ‘Kill any Jew who falls under your power.’”
Ishaq:369 “Thereupon Mas’ud leapt upon Sunayna, one of the Jewish merchants with whom his family had social and commercial relations and killed him. The Muslim’s brother complained, saying, ‘Why did you kill him? You have much fat in you belly from his charity.’ Mas’ud answered, ‘By Allah, had Muhammad ordered me to murder you, my brother, I would have cut off your head.’ Wherein the brother said, ‘Any religion that can bring you to this is indeed wonderful!’ And he accepted Islam.”
21:98. “Surely you and what you worship besides Allah are the firewood of hell; to it you shall come.”
So, yes, I'm glad the imams appreciate the use of sensitive language.
at June 7, 2006 12:26 PM
Somethingaboutislam said:
"Many young men are attracted to the anti-establisment militancy of islam. THat's the draw for them. That is also the draw for the Left - anti-establisment-ism. Kind of like the Left-wing terror groups in Europe in the '70s. And nothing is more left wing that wanting blow up parliament."
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May I suggest you change your tactics if you're really interested in fighting the islamists. We need all peoples, leftists too, to do it. I have my problems with the left but aleinating them with rhetoric like yours is not going to endear them to join the fight against the islamic "estabishment".;)
Plus I don't think what you say makes sense. The left is all about personal freedom almost to the point of social anarchy - Islam OTOH is a very socially oppressive and doctrinal cult. Just the opposite of leftists.
I do blame the leftists for allowing the social benefits (welfare/free medical/free house etc) that encourages to crazies to come in droves.
Posted by: Zebo
at June 7, 2006 12:36 PM
seville844
"I predict that one day a muslim group will attempt a coup-de-etat in a western country, like when they have planned to storm the Canadian parliament."
Er, they have already tried that, in 1990 in Trinidad. The coup members were by and large, afro-Trini converts and Trinidad's large south asian Muslim didn't participate in the shenanigans. However, family and friends report a sharp increase in Muslim proselytizing among the Black lupenproletariat and there are larger numbers of females going out in full muslim costume. As for the coup participants, I believe they murdered a few people before surrendering. Most people wanted them lynched, remember the former British Caribbean has a more Old Testament view of justice, but I believe these guys were offered amnesty.
Posted by: spencerd
at June 7, 2006 2:20 PM
spencerd:
Trinidad doesn't quite make it as a western country despite its location in the western hemisphere. It is also far too limited in power from an economic and military perspective to wield much influence in global affairs if it WERE to be taken over by Islam.
By a western nation we are specifically refering to North America, Europe, or Japan.
And an attempted coup d'etat in any of these regions by Islam could be in the cards.
Posted by: pythagoras
at June 7, 2006 5:42 PM
May I suggest you change your tactics if you're really interested in fighting the islamists. We need all peoples, leftists too, to do it
You are getting Left and liberal mixed up. The Left is the problem. The left is not about personal freedom. They are about challenging the Judeo-Christian order, or what they see as that. This is why the Left has embraced the jihad by defending, apologizing, or in the case of Yvonne Ridley and her RESPECT party, actually promote the violent jihad.
The left wants to shut down debate and discussion on the matter. They left always wants to shout down those they disagree with. Censorship is fundamental to the left. Just as it is with islam. The Left wants to see our western society torn down because they resent it as everything that is bad in the world. That is what it means to be Left.
I know you can't understand that mentality. Most people can't. I understand it. I know how they think. I can also see the flaw in their thinking, but I know their value system and what motivates them. These people would put a burka on their own daughters just to stick it to Leonardo Da Vinci and other dead, white, fascist males. Not all of them are radicals like Ridley, but they gravitate to that way of thinking, that is where their ideological sympathies lay.
It's a bizarro world they live in. But to fight islam in our societies, we have to understand their thinking because they control the media, the newspapers, the universities, the government agencies, they teach your kids, compile the curriculum, they rock they cradle. Freedom is the last thing on their agenda.
Posted by: somethingaboutislam
at June 7, 2006 7:24 PM
A mosque member who knew Chand, Mohamed Ally, said Chand visited schools to help troubled youths find religion.
"He's innocent," he said. "He's very humble, peaceful brother."
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rattle snakes are innocent until they strike and kill you.
Posted by: Texican
at June 7, 2006 10:28 PM
Pythagoras,
I don't mean to quibble and I know my example about Trinidad is a minor one, but with ethnic differences aside, it is very much part of the West. Its overwhelmingly Christian (and practicing) English speaking (sort of) and has a functioning Westminster type parliament (at the best of times)
I believe the existential threat poised by growing Muslim populations to Western Europe, particularly to Holland and France, is a real one. However, I don't think we are going to see a Muslim-led putsch in our lifetime. The French army is probably one of the most Catholic and conservative institutions in Gaul and although there are Muslims sprinkled throughout military they don't have the numbers or the brains to carry out a coup.
at June 8, 2006 8:55 AM
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