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In the feature article at FrontPage today I discuss the immense denial over the jihad arrests in Toronto (news links in the original):
The irony was delicious. The lead paragraph of the Toronto Star story on this week’s terror arrests in Canada was: “In investigators’ offices, an intricate graph plotting the links between the 17 men and teens charged with being members of a homegrown terrorist cell covers at least one wall. And still, says a source, it is difficult to find a common denominator.” But illustrating the story was a photo of two women in full Islamic dress, their faces entirely covered except for a slit for their eyes. Difficult to find a common denominator? The investigators could have found it in the photo accompanying the story about them in the Toronto Star: all the arrested men were Muslims, and as more came out about their plans it was clear that they had been planning jihad attacks. All of which sheds light on why suspects demanded to be given copies of the Koran immediately upon their arrest.But the mainstream media can find no "common denominator."
The Star in particular seems to be intent on not diagonizing the cancer which is posing such a deadly threat to the Canadian patient. The initial New York Times story on the arrests identified the suspects as “Canadian residents” and as “mainly of South Asian descent.” It rather weirdly assures readers immediately thereafter that “none of them had any known affiliation with Al Qaeda” – an affiliation it had given no one any reason to suspect in the first place. The only mention of “Islam” in the story came in the name of one of those arrested, Ehsanul Islam Sadequee – and there was no mention at all of the jihad ideology that motivated those arrested.The Times story also revealed that this denial was not solely the province of the media. It quoted Mike McDonell, a Royal Canadian Mounted Police assistant commissioner, trafficking in flagrant misrepresentations and irrelevancies: “They represent the broad strata of our society. Some are students, some are employed, some are unemployed.” The broad strata of Saudi Arabian society, maybe, but not the broad strata of Canadian society. Toronto Police Chief Bill Blair joined in the denial, noting proudly that during the press conference following the arrests, “I would remind you that there was not one single reference made by law enforcement to Muslim or Muslim community.”
But why not? The Canadian Muslim community is clearly involved in this, and they know it: they have been backtracking furiously from those arrested, but in ways that only raise more questions. The Toronto Star speaks with some of the members of a school Muslim association to which some of those arrested belonged. Once those who are now terror suspects “discussed at an association gathering whether suicide bombing was permissible in Islam. Their views were so violent that the other association members threatened to have them banned.” But evidently they didn’t follow through on the threat (why not?) or report them to authorities (again, why not?).
Likewise the Star reports that another suspect, Qayyum Abdul Jamal, actively spread the jihad ideology at the Ar-Rahman Islamic Center for Islamic Education in southern Ontario. Indeed, his “outspoken Wahhabist views” had “alarmed” some of the directors of the Islamic center. But, says the paper, because Jamal unlocked the mosque for daily prayers and mosque officials valued his services as a caretaker, they did nothing to stop his preaching. Apparently forgetting that Jamal had been allowed to preach freely, Center Imam Qamrul Khanson said of those arrested: “I will say that they were steadfast, religious people. There’s no doubt about it. But here we always preach peace and moderation.”
The Star doesn’t seem to find anything odd in this, and Canadian officials are congratulating themselves for insisting, as did Police Chief Blair, that the jihadist suspects were “motivated by an ideology based on politics, hatred and terrorism, and not on faith.”
How does he know that? The suspects met in a mosque. They discussed their plot in the context of religion. Their fellow students and mosquegoers knew they were preaching and studying violent jihad, and did nothing to stop them. Instead of going out of his way to claim that Islam had nothing to do with this, and devoting all their attention to trying to prevent backlash attacks, Blair and other Canadian officials should be asking the Canadian Muslim community some tough questions, including:
* Why didn’t you come to us when you knew that violent jihad was being preached in Ontario?
* What other Muslims are preaching violent jihad in Canada, and where?
* What is the extent of support for jihad and the imposition of Sharia among Muslims in Canada?
* Would you yourselves like to see Canada become an Islamic state, even by peaceful means?How much longer can officials in Canada and elsewhere in the West wait to ask these questions, and to follow through on the implications of the answers? If the jihadists just arrested in Canada had carried out their plans, they would have beheaded the Prime Minister of Canada and other members of Parliament, and destroyed the Toronto Stock Exchange and other Canadian landmarks.
Will it take a successful jihad attack of this kind for Western officials to wake up and do what they must do in order to guarantee the security of the societies they have been entrusted with protecting?
Posted by Robert at June 7, 2006 12:43 PM
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I hope that all these folks see reality as it is. They make these absurd comments about not finding common denominators and the like simply because they don't want to have their political bosses make them take another round of sensitivity and cultural training classes.
After all Remedial Islamic Sensitvity Training 101 can get boring.
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at June 7, 2006 1:14 PM
At least one newspaper article has it right.
http://www.canadafreepress.com/2006/reid060706.htm
at June 7, 2006 1:16 PM
Dms,
Thanks for the great links. I appreciate getting information like that straight from the horse's mouth, so to speak.
Posted by: DesertDawgN29 at June 7, 2006 1:21 PM
"Will it take a successful jihad attack of this kind for Western officials to wake up and do what they must do in order to guarantee the security of the societies they have been entrusted with protecting?"
Robert,
You've nailed the paramount question... and all indications are pointing to the inevitable, mournful answer; "YES".
Hopefully through JW and your untiring efforts, the West will begin to wake up to this critical reality. I applaud your work towards this end.
at June 7, 2006 1:27 PM
I guess I should send the author of that article an email warning him that he had better hire himself some bodyguards.
Posted by: dms at June 7, 2006 1:28 PM
dms:
I wrote the article, but I can't afford bodyguards.
As the great sage Joycelyn Elders once said, "Everybody's probably going to die from something."
Cordially
Robert Spencer
at June 7, 2006 1:34 PM
Sorry Rober, I was referring to the article I linked to in the Canadian free press. I would be your bodyguard for free.
Posted by: dms at June 7, 2006 1:37 PM
A powerful backlash has already set in here in Toronto. And, no, it's not about a few smashed windows at a local mosque. It's the societal denial, endorsed by mainstream, cluess media outlets like the Toronto Star and the CBC, which holds that we're all going overboard about this case. You see, some of the young lads were very young and caught up in the romance of it all--talking trash about the infidel on the Net and doing night maneuvers up there in cottage country. Alternatively, even though they were all either born here or were permanent residents, and most of their families were well-established pillars of their community, these youngsters felt "marginalized" and "alienated" and "disaffected" because of all the terrrible things they saw being done to Muslims around the world. Or how 'bout this one: they never posed any serious threat because they were only playing at being terrorists, unlike Mo Atta and his highly-trained crew of hijackers who had taken their marching orders from the Capo di Capos, Osama bin Laden. The youths were just indulging in some juvenile braggadoccio, and had neither the means nor the will to enact any of their grandiose schemes. Why, how could they even get to the Prime Minister to chop off his head? He has body guards and stuff.
And as for the indisputable (and inconvenient) fact that all the boys are Muslim, well, isn't boys'll be boys, even Muslim ones. Meantime, could everyone please refrain from counting up all the chicks in burkas who keep showing up at the courthouse? It's really kinda racist and does not befit a city which is proud to bill itself as the most multicultural Burg in the world.
As for Islam, everyone knows it's an inherently peaceful, tolerant, inclusive faith that's been hijiacked by an infinitessimal fringe of nasty radicals who've misinterpreted the Koran (did you know it says there's no compulsion in religion and that whoever kills an innocent person it's as if they've killed the whole world?) for their own nefarious purposes.
And, oh yeah, did we mention that Timothy McVeigh, a Christian, blew up the Alfred P. Murrah building in Oklahoma City in '95, and that 30 years ago some Quebec separatists kidnapped and murdered some British guy? And that somehow, these random, one-of incidents have a critical bearing on what's happening here, jihad-wise, in 2006.
In other words, the b.s. has been laid on so thick you'll need a sand-blaster to remove it--and even then you're going to have a hard time.
Posted by: scaramouoche at June 7, 2006 1:44 PM
This is hard to believe. As Robert pointed out, all the evidence and signs are there. Anyone with common sense can see that. The only excuse I can think of for this tactic is this;
All of the investigators stay out of sight - in the background. Don’t make any statements as to the investigations or conclusions. If any statements made will follow in the method the Jihadis use. In other words play their head games. Show the Jihadis how smart they are and how we are taken in by their propaganda and when the time is right, nail them. I hope this is what is going on. If it isn’t, then we are all in trouble.
Common Sense without education is better than
Education without Common Sense
at June 7, 2006 1:48 PM
Robert:
You are, after all, talking about the Toronto Star, which, despite having a Jewish publisher and, possibly, a Jewish Editor-in-Chief (Giles Gherson), still has the thumbprints of Editor Emeritus, frequent op-ed contributor and professional Islamic apologist Haroon Siddiqui all over it. Check out the Globe and Mail for Christie Blatchford's "elephant in the room" observations about the overlooked coincidence that all 17 were Muslim (including a convert who may be the most blood thirsty of all, or perhaps seeking to impress the born Muslims of his revert bona fides). By subscription only on the G & M site. Here's the link to the Discarded Lies blogsite, which featured the item today:
Posted by: waterdragon52 at June 7, 2006 2:01 PM
Dear Robert:
I respect your work and appreciate the fidelity of your reporting.
Could I suggest you may have missed the mark in your analysis of Canadian media and police forces?
Canada has a long and bitter history of taking religious activists to court and one lesson learned is the terrible potential for a label of 'religious profiling'.
What you construe as oblique political maneuvering is perhaps a tactic to prevent the compromise of the investigation and subsequent prosecution.
Nobody hid anything! The papers showed the family members in burqas and men with traditional Islamic beards. The local mosques were queried and opinions sought and published. All the names published were of Arab Muslim type and even the recent conversion of a Hindu to Islam was noted in other news reports.
Do you believe for one second that Canadians don't get it?
We get it in spades and all the lying imans in Toronto and Richmond can not put the jin back in the bottle in Canada.
We know Islam is the problem, we know it is not a factor of education, social status, employment or opportunity - that is what the Toronto Star means about 'no ties that bind'!
The SOLE common denominator for all to see is ISLAM!
We Canadians get it! Perhaps better than our US cousins. Certainley better than our British brothers. But we will not be accused of religious profiling because it could damage the prosecution of these True Believers!!!
Best regards Robert and keep up your great work.
CD Baric
Posted by: blazar-jet at June 7, 2006 2:04 PM
Robert says, "[Police Chief] Blair and other Canadian officials should be asking the Canadian Muslim community some tough questions."
Robert,
A good friend once taught me: "Don't ask the question, if you can't live with the answer." In other words, why waste time asking questions if your mind is already closed.
Suppose your questions got asked, and then it were revealed that our worst suspicions of Islam and Islamism were realized. It would call into question, perhaps even wreck, the long-standing Canadian policies of domestic socialist welfarism; domestic multiculturalism; and a peaceful, even non-aligned, foreign policy. The fact that here is a religion, Islam, that considers sedition to be its divinely inspired religious duty, might even call into question the centuries-old Western principle of freedom of religion. And Canada, like Britain and the rest of Western Europe, is just not prepared to make such wholesale changes. Canadian opinion leaders are proud of their multiculturalist society, and even consider it a major advantage over U.S. society. They can't deal with any evidence that might suggest otherwise.
It gets back to what I mentioned yesterday. The missing ingredient is leadership that is visionary enough, and brave enough, to call for major sea-changes in a society and its foreign and domestic policies. And such leadership doesn't come along that often. Even here in America. The last three truly world-historical Presidents who fundamentally changed not just America but the world were: Theodore Roosevelt; Franklin Roosevelt; and Ronald Reagan. Just three, in one hundred years. The rest, just tinkered at the margins.
And right now, I don't see any figures in America, Canada, or Britain, who even remotely compare to the three aforementioned towering world-historical greats.
Posted by: Steven L. at June 7, 2006 2:13 PM
Hey scaramouoche,
Don't Canadians know that Timothy McVeigh was an avowed atheist--not a Christian?
at June 7, 2006 2:15 PM
It all boils down to Survival of the Fittest. If Canada is to survive it is going to have to tackle jihad warfare head on and devise successful means of combatting it. That is all there is to it. This goes for America too and the remainder of the western democracies.
And there is not all that much time left to do it.
Hiding from reality never saved anyone from it. Did an ostrich ever save its own life by sticking its head in the sand when a hungry lion appeared nearby?????
Posted by: pythagoras at June 7, 2006 2:16 PM
Steven L--Actually, he was an agnostic: http://www.townhall.com/opinion/columns/maggiegallagher/2002/10/28/164751.html
And no, that hasn't stopped everyone from hauling out his name as the token "Christian" terrorist.
(Also my nic is "scaramouche". I messed up when I registered and never bothered to correct it.)
Posted by: scaramouoche at June 7, 2006 2:26 PM
waterdragon52 notes the influence of "Islamic apologist Haroon Siddiqui" on the Toronto Star.
Well, Haroon Siddiqui is a Sunni Muslim. At least he was born into a Sunni Muslim family, though he himself has refused to admit his own religion. So what else do you expect? He's just one more of the Muslims who have closed ranks whenever another incident that casts a bad light on Islam occurs. They all jump into damage-control mode, right on cue. Siddiqui included.
at June 7, 2006 2:33 PM
Will it take a successful jihad attack of this kind for Western officials to wake up and do what they must do in order to guarantee the security of the societies they have been entrusted with protecting?"
Indeed sir.
I'll wager they will still remain in their drunken pc stupor of denial, as millions die in the smoldering ruins that were entrusted to these miserable excuses for Western officials.
By their steadfast refusal to acknowledge the truth; by their willful, tenacious, ignorance; by their stubborn continued refusal to properly address the matter and seek resolution because they lacked to moral substance and conviction to so do -- they are every bit as guilty of a successful jihad attack as those who physically will carry it out.
Therefore, when this said day comes to pass on their account; may they learn their morality in the everlasting fires of hell, along with their islamist suicide murderers that they have continually empowered, aided, and abetted in clear defiance of the collective will of their people and subjects.
Posted by: witness at June 7, 2006 2:43 PM
Steven L--I frequently fisk Haroon Siddiqui's column on my blog, and just as frequently dash off incredulous letters to the Star about his bogus assertions. However, I prefer to call him by his spell-check suggested name: Harpoon Sodium. It seems most appropriate because, like Moby Dick, "thar he blows", necessitating the use of a judiciously aimed harpoon. Also, he tends to cry copious, salty crocodile tears for the Palestinians, Iran's mullahs and other "hard-done-by" groups, so the "sodium" part seems most a propos.
Posted by: scaramouoche at June 7, 2006 2:45 PM
"We Canadians get it! Perhaps better than our US cousins. Certainley better than our British brothers. But we will not be accused of religious profiling because it could damage the prosecution of these True Believers!!!"
Even if this is true, it still does not justify overtly PC reporting in the MSM. There are some people, often enjoying a highly paid job in the government bureacracy, that are more concerned about preserving the multiculturalist fantasy than the truth about islam.
These people actually don't want any public discussion about violent elements within islam, but are willing to put the blame to those who misunderstand the peaceful religion of islam.
And you shouldn't underestimate the power of wishful thinking. If the terrorists are only a tiny minority of extremists, even though they represent broad strata of society, the multiculturalist fantasy can live on and prosper.
Besides, we are supposedly living in a free world and we shouldn't be reading newspaper articles between the lines like they did in the old Soviet Union.
at June 7, 2006 2:49 PM
blazar-jet:
other than the Duplessis government's harassment of Jehovah's Witnesses for proceletyzing in Quebec, and BC going after the Dukobors for not sending their children to school, and the more recent crack-down on some fundamentalist Christians for some fairly severe corporal punishment in Ontario can you cite other examples of Canada persecuting religious minorities? And, having cited the examples above, I'd have to say that only the Duplessis government singled out the Witnesses for harassment. Otherwise, truancy laws and child abuse laws apply to everyone across the board.
Posted by: waterdragon52 at June 7, 2006 3:12 PM
Scaramouche:
Minor correction – the FLQ murdered a Quebec minister, Pierre Laporte. The British diplomat James Cross was released unharmed.
I believe this is one of those times when the majority of the citizens are ahead of the politically correct crowd in analyzing a situation and coming to a correct conclusion - but it’s lying just beneath the surface. Thank God for the Christie Blatchford’s and Rex Murphy’s.
Cyclist (on your blog)
at June 7, 2006 3:12 PM
"Will it take a successful jihad attack of this kind for Western officials to wake up and do what they must do in order to guarantee the security of the societies they have been entrusted with protecting?"
Robert,
You've nailed the paramount question... and all indications are pointing to the inevitable, mournful answer; "YES".
I'd say it's worse than that: it will take much MORE than simply one more major attack.
at June 7, 2006 3:19 PM
Cyclist--You're right, of course. I noted the correction in an update of that post. Thanks.
Posted by: scaramouoche at June 7, 2006 3:26 PM
The Toronto Star, the NDT, and others are engaging in an hilarious bit of self-parody, not unlike the children's clown who has "lost" something onstage, as all the 4-year-olds in the audience shout out its obvious location to the still-oblivious clown.
But this charade does serve a useful purpose, and it's not the one intended by it's perpetrators. The public is learning that it simply cannot trust the MSM to tell the truth about islam or the jihad. More and more people will discover sites such as this one to fulfill that need.
Posted by: Infidel33 at June 7, 2006 4:18 PM
For a long time now we have listened to Islamic leaders blame Ismalists violence on povert,oppression,lack of opportunity , Islamophobia, bigotry , religious oppression,racism and of course the treatment of their Muslim brothers in Palestine.
Now the truth comes out , with every other group in Canada managing to obey our laws and Educate their kids to have a better life than they had , but the Quran appears to be the link
for all the hatred by the violent and militant Muslims.
Last year George Galloway was in canada telling Muslims that Canada is at war with Islam and killing Muslims while occupying muslim countries.
Ali Hindy who support the Khadr Klan that praised the 9/11 muslims has said in public that he coaches Muslims youth to stay in Canada since the "Jihad" is here and you don't need go to Iraq to kill the enemy.
After 9/11 CAIR and their ilk denied the 19 men were "True" Muslims , but now that Canada has foiled two terror cells like these 17 and the 19 male 2 years ago, Muslim leaders insist they are devout followers of Islam and are innocent .
So they are innocent until they actually murder infidels and then CAIR recert to the excuse that they aren't True Muslims.
at June 7, 2006 4:26 PM
Hi.
I have to ask this question, but how do you know no Muslims informed against these violent extremists? Do you know how the Canadians got on to them?
Posted by: hippiepooter at June 7, 2006 4:27 PM
Being from Toronto, I can say, the Toronto Star is the Canadian equivalent to PRAVDA, run by hardcore anti conservative terror hugging anti-semite retards. So it's no wonder they couldn't find the common denominator amongst the 17 Muslim terrorists.
Posted by: The_Mountie at June 7, 2006 4:52 PM
The common denominator is that it is not supposed to have anything to do with Islam. Remeber Eisenstein's film, the Potemkin. Concerning seaman rations, the Doctor says: "There are no maggots."
Posted by: David England at June 7, 2006 5:01 PM
The Canada free press gets it.
http://www.canadafreepress.com/2006/reid060706.htm
at June 7, 2006 5:04 PM
You have to understand one thing; for the last 40 years, the Toronto Star, The CBC, and the Public Education system has been pounding Multicultural values and ramming down our throats how all cultures are equal.
This type of stuff reveals them for the liars they are. They don't want Canadians thinking for themselves, because the next question after they admit that the common thread is Islam, will be Canadians opening their eyes and wondering why they've been lied to by the powers that be all their lives. Namely, it was a way for the government to open the floodgates of immigration and thrust it on us.
What you are witnessing is the Canadian values system which has been carefully built on Groupthink and lies starting to become unravelled.
One need only walk for 1/2 an hour in downtown Toronto to see what multiculturalist leftist dogma has done to the city - namely, that within 25 years it has turned into a swamp.
Now we are inundated and surrounded by jihadists, the truth is staring the average Canadian in the face, but they do not want to believe. They do not want to contemplate they've that their morally superior view of the would is complete and utter bullsh*t.
The average Canadian cannot fathom that anyone would hate us.
The average Canadian has been brainwashed by 'NEWTHINK'.
The average Canadian's world is about to be shattered.
But the outlets like the CBC and The Star have pushed this load of crap on us for 40 years, and can't all of a sudden to a 180 without revealing the EXTREME BIAS of their reporting and editorialising.
Posted by: The_Mountie at June 7, 2006 5:15 PM
Don't worry about all those slice and dice passages in the Koran. Let's deal with the real problem--the bogus backlash.
http://www.cfrb.com/node/365052
at June 7, 2006 5:32 PM
scaramouche:
so i take it you have not heard of "Abrogate". It is an islamic term and is used when reading the Qur'an. Here is the definition. "To abolish, do away with, or annul, especially by authority." From Answers.com So, when reading the Qur’an and Hadiths, you must abrogate earlier surahs if a later one contradicts the earlier surahs. EXAMPLE: Surah "2:256 There is no compulsion in religion, for the right way is clearly from the wrong way. Whoever therefore rejects the forces of evil and believes in God, he has taken hold of a support most unfailing, which shall never give way, for God is All Hearing and Knowing." But this Surah has been Adrogated by this Surah: 9:88 “The Messenger and those who believe with him, strive hard and fight with their wealth and lives in Allah’s Cause.” and this one 9:5 “Fight and kill the disbelievers wherever you find them, take them captive, harass them, lie in wait and ambush them using every stratagem of war.” and this one Ishaq:325 “Muslims, fight in Allah’s Cause. Stand firm and you will prosper. Help the Prophet, obey him, give him your allegiance, and your religion will be victorious.” and this one 8:39 “So fight them until there is no more Fitnah (disbelief [non-Muslims]) and all submit to the religion of Allah alone (in the whole world).” and, well you get the point.
at June 7, 2006 5:32 PM
ala-sux notes: "So they are innocent until they actually murder infidels and then CAIR recert to the excuse that they aren't True Muslims."
Actually, that form of begging the question has been a standard piece of sophistry even from the Bush Administration and all other major public figures: Muslims are peaceful. So anyone who is arrested for terrorism cannot possibly be a "true" Muslim.
The other type of begging the question that we see, is on the rationale for committing terrorist acts:
Prior to the revelations about this Canadian terrorist plot, Canadian lefties claimed "U.S. policies anger Muslims and provoke terrorism; Canada's policies are different and don't anger Muslims."
Now that the terrorist plot against Canada has been revealed, those exact same lefties are claiming "Canada's policies anger Muslims and provoke terrorism."
at June 7, 2006 6:56 PM
REMEMBER: yesterday 10,000 good men died fighting for Freedom for europe 62 years ago and that was just in 1 day?
MSM not even a mention well were those lifes worth the Europen cowards we see today??
http://www.newsmax.com/archives/articles/2006/6/6/155914.shtml?s=lh
Canada Terror Suspects Planned to Behead PM
NewsMax.com Wires
Wednesday, June 7, 2006
BRAMPTON, Ontario -- At least one member of a group of terror suspects plotted to storm Canada's parliament and behead officials, including the prime minister, if Muslim prisoners in Canada and Afghanistan were not released, according to charges made public Tuesday.
Authorities also alleged that Steven Vikash Chand plotted to take over media outlets such as the Canadian Broadcasting Corp.
"There's an allegation apparently that my client personally indicated that he wanted to behead the prime minister of Canada," attorney Gary Batasar said. "It's a very serious allegation. My client has said nothing about that."
BETTER READ THE WHOLE THING
LOT'S OF DIMMIS UP THERE
He said the charges were based on fear-mongering by government officials
OH WHAT IS NEXT
A U.S. law enforcement official said investigators were looking for connections between those detained in Canada and suspected Islamic militants held in the United States, Britain, Bangladesh, Bosnia, Denmark and Sweden.
OH BUT THIS IS NOT WHAT DID THEY SAY??
The case has stunned many Canadians, who have not experienced such a major anti-terrorism case since security measures were intensified after the Sept. 11, 2001, attacks in the United States.
"It's breathtaking that this is going on in Canada," International Trade Minister David Emerson told the CBC. "To see the homegrown nature of it is shocking to me."
SHOCKING I SAY AFTER ALL CANADA SAID THEY WEREN'T GETTING IN THIS FIGHT WELL LOOKS LIKE THE HOCKY PUCKS BE FLYING??
Officials announced Saturday that the suspects were arrested after the group acquired three tons of ammonium nitrate, which can be mixed with fuel oil to make a powerful explosive. One-third that amount was used in the deadly bombing of the Oklahoma City federal building in 1995.
JUST WONDER WHAT THEM CRAZY CONUKS WOULD HAVE DONE IF THIS HAD NOT BEEN STOPPED??
"These youth were very fun-loving guys, soccer-loving guys, and then all of sudden they were not associating with guys they used to," Bukhari said, referring to the younger suspects.
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,198535,00.html
Speech by U.N. Leader Draws Angry Response From U.S.
Wednesday, June 07, 2006
I KNOW LET'S RELOCATE THEM TO FRANCE WHERE THEY CAN ENJOY CAR BON FIRES IN THE COOL SUMMER EVEN-INGS!!!
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,198592,00.html
Saudi National Charged With Airline Bomb Threat
Wednesday, June 07, 2006
AP
ATLANTA — A Saudi man who authorities say was upset about being denied a job as an interpreter for the U.S. military in Iraq was charged with threatening to blow up a Delta Air Lines flight.
Saleh Al Suwailem, 45, of Boise, Idaho, was arrested by the FBI on Tuesday.
Al Suwailem was at Fort Benning on Monday undergoing training to become an Arabic interpreter when he learned he would not be hired because he was denied security clearance, federal authorities said in court papers.
READ THE WHOLE THING
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,198542,00.html
Maryland Teacher Found Guilty of Supporting Terror Group
Wednesday, June 07, 2006
AP
McLEAN, Va. — A third-grade teacher was found guilty Tuesday of lending aid to a Pakistani terrorist organization, becoming the 11th conviction in what the government called a "Virginia jihad network."
Ali Asad Chandia, 29, a teacher at an Islamic school in College Park, Md., was convicted on three of four counts, including providing material support to a foreign terrorist organization and conspiracy to do the same.
He faces a maximum of 45 years in prison when he is sentenced Aug. 18.
READ THE WHOLE THING!!
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,198545,00.html
Cops Seize 5 Guns, 26 Knives From Michigan Student After Alleged School Plot Disclosed
Wednesday, June 07, 2006
AP
PORT HOPE, Mich. — Authorities seized five guns, ammunition and 26 knives from a teenager who wrote about "potential violent acts" against others at his rural high school, the Huron County sheriff said Wednesday.
COULD WALDO BE HERE??
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,198488,00.html
Man Arrested in West Virginia Shootings After Getting Flat Tire
Wednesday, June 07, 2006
AP
HARRISBURG, Pa. — A man suspected of shooting five people in a West Virginia home was in custody Wednesday after his car tire went flat on a Pennsylvania interstate and a state trooper stopped to help
Who Lost the World?
A question we never want to have to ask.
By Jonah Goldberg
This week, Islamic militants with alleged ties to al Qaeda seized the Somali capital of Mogadishu. It might be more appropriate to refer to the “former” or “historic” capital since Somalia hasn’t had a government to speak of for about 15 years.
WORTH THE READ THE COMON DENOMATORTER IS WHAT AND WHO??
MULSUMS AND COWARDS WHO WONT STAND AND FIGHT?
GOD BLESS THE USA AND HER FIGHTING FORCES AND ALL WHO FIGHT WITH HER GIVE THEM STRENGTH, WISDOM, SIGHT, AND COURAGE TO DESTROY ALL ISLAMIC TERRORIST AND ALL WHO SUPPORT THEM OPEN THE WORLDS EYES TO THEIR THREAT LET NOT THE WORLD BE DECEIVED BY THEM AMEN
Posted by: Catherine at June 7, 2006 7:04 PM
The_Mountie writes: "for the last 40 years, the Toronto Star, The CBC, and the Public Education system has been pounding Multicultural values."
May I ask why? What happened some 40 years ago (around 1966), to first cause Canada to first buy into Multiculturalism? What started it in the first place? Was it Quebec separatism, Trudeau's bilingualism, or what? Just curious.
By the way, The_Mountie, I like the way you talk!
at June 7, 2006 7:18 PM
waterdragon52: "...Canada persecuting religious minorities?"
What I said was "Canada has a long and bitter history of taking religious activists to court..."
Air India Flight 182 June 23, 1985: At 7.13 (a.m.) GMT
The 'final' verdict was rendered March 16, 2005 - Not Guilty.
Do you believe we haven't finished with that investigation to date?
Canada is determined NOT to make the same mistakes TWICE!
CD Baric
Posted by: blazar-jet at June 7, 2006 7:23 PM
Steven L, in '68 Pierre Elliot Trudeau came to power in Canada with the Liberal government and decided, as was the trend in the '60s, to liberalize everything.
His government instituted the bilingual act mandating that everything in Canada be provided by the government in two languages, not just English, regardless of how few people speak only French.
His government instituted multiculturalism as an official policy of Canada.
His government instituted the young offenders Act, which made people under 18 not all that responsible for their crimes.
His government instituted all the PC nonsense we suffer from today.
His government "repatriated" the constitution from Britain, creating a monster called the "Charter of Rights and Freedoms" under which the Left and its vessels, including terrorists, find safe harbor.
Trudeau did not understand what he was doing. He could not understand the ramificiation of those acts. It seemed the thing to do at the time, but it was madness. Trudeau grew up in a different era. So for him it was social progress. We, however, grew up later, so we can actually see the results. It wasn't progress.
Posted by: somethingaboutislam at June 7, 2006 7:50 PM
Of course the CBC would not alert us to Marc Lepine that killer who changed his name ;he had a Muslim father and hated woman,perhaps Marc should be seen as Canada's fisrt jihad. The December murder of woman in Montreal was terrible but what has the media told us about him?
Posted by: mark52 at June 7, 2006 7:53 PM
Deliberate stupidity, displayed for the world by Canadian authorities claiming - "there is no common denominator"- is offensive. These air-heads have to be held accountable!
Posted by: sheik yer'mami at June 7, 2006 8:09 PM
Denial, aint that a river?
Posted by: AMartinez at June 7, 2006 8:22 PM
There is a way to break down this
http://www.cfrb.com/node/365052
June 7, 2006
"These attacks have not done anything but emphasize our commitment to this beautiful country of ours that we love and respect, and we're committed to the security of this country."
Slimi joined Ontario Lt.-Gov. James Bartleman and about a dozen Muslim community members and faith leaders at the provincial legislature Wednesday to call for calm, and to denounce racism and acts of vandalism such as those at the west-end Toronto mosque over the weekend.
"In times of crisis, we must keep our cool and think of the fundamental values which define our identity as Canadians, no matter our origins or our religious beliefs," Bartleman said.
SO NO MATTER WHAT WE BELIEVE YEA EVEN IF WE BELIEVE WE ARE TO KILL YOU??
"If we do not, we will pay the consequences in terms of intolerance and racism that affects all minorities in our country."
Prime Minister Stephen Harper wasn't immune from criticism from some community leaders gathered Wednesday, who were upset by Harper's praise of police forces in making the arrests.
"He projected this issue as one between us and them, between evil and good," said Khaled Mouammar, president of the Canadian Arab Federation. "He used the same terminology as (U.S.) President Bush uses which immediately paints a whole community as being enemies of Canada, which is wrong."
YEP WE CAN'T TALK ABOUT THE ISLAMIC TERRORIST WICH POINTS THE FINGER AT US SO BLAME BUSH??
THAT REALLY GETS LIB'S WORKED UP AND WILL DO ANYTHING TO PROVE THEY AREN'T LIKE THE REDNECKS IN THE USA??
Spokesman Salam Elmenyawi said those arrested have not been found guilty of any crimes.
"If they are found guilty, then they should be viewed as criminals who neither reflect our community's values nor our faith."
YEP ONLY THE USA ARE GUILTY WE ARE ABOVE ALL SO THERE AGAIN CALL THE NAME RASISM WE KNOW THEY WON'T REALLY LOOK TO CLOSE??
"I want them to have perseverance, to be patient and we shall overcome, and that we will be able to move (through) these hard times and one day we will come back and talk about this as history," Elmenyawi said.
IF WE PRETEND TO BE AGAINST THESE BROTHERS LAY IN WAIT SOON IT WILL BLOW OVER THEN WE CAN GET BACK TO BUNISSNESS TAKING OVER THIS COUNTRY??
Slimi expressed concern for the families of the suspects who were confronted by a crush of reporters and cameras outside at a Brampton, Ont., courthouse Tuesday during the appearance of 15 of the 17 accused of plotting to storm Parliament, take hostages and bomb several Canadian institutions.
"They are being abused, media is following them everywhere, and unfortunately they're not used to this," Slimi said.
NOW HERE COMES THE PITY PARTY OH BUT WE ARE SOOO DIFFERENT SO WHAT IF WE KILL OUR GIRLS FOR HOLDING HAND THAT IS JUST OUR WAY YOU CAN'T PICK ON US CAUSE WE IS ISLAMIC TERRORIST??
Slimi said the current challenge will make the Muslim community stronger.
"It will make us stronger and it will renew our commitment to this country."
YES WE WILL HAVE MORE YOU DON'T KNOW SO WE WILL HAVE CLASSES SO YOU WILL BUY THE LIES BECAUSE WE CALLED YOU RASIST??
OF COURSE WE KNOW THAT THE BROKE THEIR OWN WINDOWS SO DON'T BE FOOLED THEY WERE GOING TO KILL YOU AND YOURS REMEMBER BESLAN AND HOW THEY SHOT CHILDREN IN THE BACK!!!
THEN ASK WHY?
BECAUSE THEY WERE NOT MULSUMS!!
OH THE PITY PARTY HAS STARTED
Posted by: Catherine at June 7, 2006 8:35 PM
Multicultural dogma prevents the establishment media and government from acknowledging the truth, even when the truth is self-evident. Acknowledgment of the truth would shatter multiculti underpinnings. Purveyors of the big lie cannot be honest. To do so would reveal the fradulent nature of multiculturalism. They could not bear the cognitive dissonance that would arise if they acknowledged the truth - that all ideas and cultures are not objectively equal. Some, like Islam, are intrinsically evil and inferior. There is no hope unless sane people in the West arise and kill the multiculti beast before it kills us. Otherwise you can stick a fork in the West. It's done.
Posted by: Lepanto at June 7, 2006 10:16 PM
I find it inconceivable that there are that many Canadians that can not add 17 up with the results that this is a islamic muslim problem in Canada.
Canada it is wake up time. the peaceful cult of the mos will destroy Canada as it has numerous other nations if yall do not fight this scourge.
Posted by: Texican at June 7, 2006 10:22 PM
I wonder where the Muslim community leaders were when the mosque nearest my house held a protest march, with the ever-popular "death to those who mock Islam" signs? I am not sure exactly how that was meant to show their love for my country.
This is such crap. For those who remarked that it will take an actuall jihad attack to wake up the West, I want to know how long y'all have been asleep? What was 9/11? Didn't the London subway bombings give us a wake-up call? Until someone is brave enough to stand up and point out the lack of the Emperor's clothing, it'll keep happening. You can't do that here (in Canada) though, without facing the possibility of jail time.
Today, police cruisers spent most of the day driving around the mosque in my neighbourhood. They were protecting it from vandalism. Who's going to protect us?
What I really want to know is, how do you react now when you see them on the street, or on the bus r next in line at our stores? I had to stay home for the better part of a week after the London bombings- I couldn't even look at one of these animals- and they are everywhere here where I live. How much worse is it now, when they are threatening my own government? So, how do you all behave when confronted by a woman wearing a headcovering, or a long black gown, or a man wearing the white hat? I am having a really hard time with smoothing over, being polite, not upsetting the multicultural apple cart. I think I need to take my dog for a walk.
Posted by: libbysmom at June 7, 2006 10:47 PM
In face of jihadists and Islam supremicists, the ordinary citizen is at a disadvantage because any resistance is attacked from several sides at once. In war, surrounding the enemy generally leads to his destruction.
Here is what surrounds us:
1. The part of the mainstream that is multiculturalist and to varying degrees leftist anti-establishment, and more or less naively opposes us and unknowingly joins its efforts to the jihadists;
2. The part of the mainstream that has no opinion about multiculturalism, but is afraid of jihadist violence, afraid of lawsuits, afraid of being indicted for hate crimes and racism by a PC government, and wants no trouble, is unwilling to fight, and therefore by default sides with the forces furthering Islam supremicism and jihad;
3. The "vested" Muslims, who want their investments and livelihoods in the West to continue and prosper, and who either don't know or don't care about Jihad, or are afraid to resist it;
4. The Muslims who support and/or carry out Jihad, which is not a tiny number. A July 2005 poll of British Muslims concluded that 16,000 of them (1 percent) would be willing, perhaps even eager, to engage in terror, and some 100,000 or 6 percent of British Muslims believe the attacks on the London subways were "entirely justified." The poll concludes also that some 500,000 British Muslims believe "Western society is decadent and immoral and that Muslims should seek to bring it to an end" though apparently most of that 500,000 want to bring in Sharia by non-violent means like elections. Since the non-Muslim population in Britain is shrinking, while Muslim population is reproducing at a very high rate, it should be possible to bring in Sharia by elections, before the century is over. The poll said 58 percent of British Muslims were willing to agree with Tony Blair's statement that the London bombers' ideas were "perverted and poisonous." What portion of that 58 percent were hiding acquiescence in or varying degrees of support for violent Jihad (which the Koran espouses in many verses), I don't know, though it seems quite clear that some portion, perhaps substantial, are concealing their sympathy with jihadist methods and/or goals.
Anyway, although the forces against the resistance to Islamic supremicism and jihad are multiple, the resistance's advantages may still be much greater. Time will tell. The West must seek non-Muslim sources of immigration, and reduce as close to zero as possible further Muslim immigration.
Posted by: traeh at June 7, 2006 10:52 PM
"Canada has a long and bitter history of taking religious activists to court and one lesson learned is the terrible potential for a label of 'religious profiling'."
It's time we stopped fearing the knee-jerk accusations. 'Xenophobia', 'racism' and 'islamophobia' (ie. irrational fear of islam) are false accusations, and those trying to use them should be immediately charged with libel or slander.
'Religious profiling' should be converted to 'ideological profiling' and the accuser should be told "yes, we do keep a closer eye on people subscribing to anti-democratic, anti-human rights ideologies."
We're too easily shut up by these school-yard taunts!
Posted by: Lili at June 7, 2006 10:55 PM
I'd also volunteer for bodyguard and general factotum for free (well, room and board).
Posted by: traeh at June 7, 2006 11:00 PM
libbysmom said:
So, how do you all behave when confronted by a woman wearing a headcovering...
I have two reactions.
First, I'm disgusted, not because I have anything against what is exotic or Other. Far from it. I'm disgusted because the hijab often seems to me a religio-fascistic affectation.
My second reaction is to remind myself that the particular individual wearing the hijab might know little about jihad or Islam.
Posted by: traeh at June 7, 2006 11:21 PM
When I see someone covered from head to toe I wonder if they are hiding something underneath.
Posted by: dms at June 7, 2006 11:31 PM
When the police claim that the group is from a broad spectrum of society and they don't know where they get their motivation from. They are about as convincing as george kennedy's character in the naked gun movies as he tells onlookers nothing to see here keep walking(while explosions go off in the background).
Nothing to see here people no jihad keep walking.
Posted by: pissedoffcanadian at June 8, 2006 2:34 AM
Henry:
I don't think you read my post with your accustomed care. PC? Nahhhhh.
How is it PC to call for an end to Muslim immigration and provide a link to a poll that shows that at least one third of British Muslims want Islam to replace Western ways in Britain? How is it PC to point out that the poll shows that no less than 100,000 British Muslims are willing to say that the terror bombing of the London subways was "entirely justified"? How is it PC to point out that at least 16,000 Muslims in Britain would be willing or even eager to participate directly in acts of terror? How is it PC to point out that some of the 58 percent of Muslims who the poll says agree with Tony Blair are being deceptive and do not really agree with Blair? These numbers, for any sane non-Muslim, are a huge argument to stop Muslim immigration to the West.
PC? Naaaah. Better re-read my post and lavish even more care than the first time.
Posted by: traeh at June 8, 2006 3:25 AM
Henry:
I don't think you read my post with your accustomed care. PC? Nahhhhh.
How is it PC to call for an end to Muslim immigration and provide a link to a poll that shows that at least one third of British Muslims want Islam's theocratic rule to replace Western liberal democracy in Britain? How is it PC to point out that the poll shows that no less than 100,000 British Muslims are willing to say that the terror bombing of the London subways was "entirely justified"? How is it PC to point out that at least 16,000 Muslims in Britain would be willing or even eager to participate directly in acts of terror? How is it PC to point out that some of the 58 percent of Muslims who the poll says agree with Tony Blair are being deceptive and do not really agree with Blair? How is it PC to point out that by the end of the century, differential reproduction is trending toward a Muslim-majority in Britain? All these numbers, for any sane non-Muslim, are a huge argument to stop Muslim immigration to the West.
PC? Naaaah. Better re-read my post and lavish even more care than the first time.
Posted by: traeh at June 8, 2006 3:29 AM
I'd volunteer to be Robert's bodyguard too, except that I'm a geek whose pencil neck even a burly Muslim woman could snap in two.
at June 8, 2006 4:04 AM
traeh, I understand that an indiviodual may not be like the entire group. When I first moved to Canada, I liked the multicultural aspect of it. The Muslims in my neighbourhood used to be far more polite, and in a couple of instances were truly kind to my children.
That all changed just prior to 9/11, and now, it's an impossible situation. They are arrogant, threatening, and quite honestly I'm scared to live amongst them. And after the terrible losses the WEst has expereinced and continues to expereience, I have a hard time being polite, valuing the differences between people, etc. It all seems dangerous now, so do they, and honestly, if someone doesn't understand Islam but dresses in the standard 'Death Cult' uniform, it gives me a fairly clear idea of how they really feel. I no longer feel safe or comfortable or even very tolerant of anyone dressed like that, any more than I would around a person wearing a Nazi uniform. Sorry if that sounds harsh. Canada used to be a wonderful place to live, but now the tolerance only goes one way.
Posted by: libbysmom at June 8, 2006 9:19 AM
Errr, beg yer pardon STeven L, but Timothy McVeigh was not an atheist, he was a product of the Christian Identity Movement which is at war with what they call the ZOG, see William Pierce, Turner Diaries.
Christian Identity claims all non-Identity Christians such as the Baptists are in league with the Jews/ZOG etc. and equate Christianity with atheism. So rabid is their hatred of Jews that one of their deranged members walked into a Baptist Church in Texas several years ago and murdered/wounded several people at a religious service before killing himself. His reason? The Baptist had an outreach program to Jews.
For more information on Christian Identity beliefs see Here
Posted by: Nariz at June 8, 2006 6:34 PM
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