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An update on the latest Palestinian propaganda offensive: "Report: IDF didn't shell Gaza beach," from the Jerusalem Post, with thanks to Andrew Bostom:
The IDF probe investigating the deaths of seven Palestinian civilians, caused by an explosion on a beach in Gaza on Friday evening, concluded that chances were slim that the accident was caused by IDF shelling.According to the findings, expected to be formally released on Tuesday, shrapnel taken from two wounded Palestinians who were evacuated to Israeli hospitals showed that the explosives were not made in Israel, IDF officials said.
Moreover, the investigation noted the absence of a large enough crater at the site of the explosion, as would be expected if an IDF shell had landed there.
The third observation casting doubt on the possibility that IDF shelling was the cause of the Palestinian deaths was that the IDF had accounted for five of the six shells that it fired in the area before the explosion and the shell that was unaccounted for was fired more than 10 minutes before the blast that killed the Palestinians.
Posted by Robert at June 13, 2006 7:33 AM
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Recall that the "act of war" and "cowardly attack on innocent people" was the so-called reason that Hamas called off their "truce" with Israel. I wonder if the truce will be re-instated now.
And I wonder whether the professional Israel bashers like Democracy Now!, International Socialist Review, F.A.I.R. et al. will spin this as Israel trying to cover up something they did, or Hamas trying to cover up something they did. Before you answer, consider that they still think that the USS Liberty incident is "news."
Speaking of which, it seemed to me that they "alternative, left-wing" media didn't exactly jump all over this story as I suspected they would. Was there some doubt all along? I wonder.
Friends, if you encounter a liberal that wants to hear the truth about Islam, Israel, Zionism, etc. from a fellow liberal, send them my way.
fanorollins@yahoo.com
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at June 13, 2006 8:20 AM
Too bad that facts don't matter, Israel.
Posted by: Kim Hartveld at June 13, 2006 8:27 AM
And the MSM lie machine is cranking up yet again TODAY...
The real story - you won't get...
(Israel) IAF strikes Gaza Katyusha cell - car carrying killing two Islamic Jihad terrorists with single missile fired, collateral damage caused when terrorist Katyusha rockets inside car exploded resulting in addtl deaths
http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?cid=1150035842838&pagename=JPost%2FJPArticle%2FShowFull
at June 13, 2006 8:28 AM
Hey, Al BBC is backing on the "beach massacre":
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/5074792.stm
http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?cid=1150035838991&pagename=JPost%2FJPArticle%2FShowFull
I wonder how they will still make it appear as the Israeli atrocity!
at June 13, 2006 9:18 AM
From Jeffery Imm's link:
The Islamic Jihad said earlier that two of its operatives who were killed were Hamoud Wadiya, the group's top rocket launcher, and Shawki Sayklia. Seven Palestinian civilians, including two schoolchildren, were also killed Tuesday when the single missile fired by the IAF detonated the Katyushas inside the car. The army said it had proof that only one missile had been fired and that the terrorists were the only target in the strike.
Just don't let the facts get in the way of a good story.
Posted by: Carolyn2 at June 13, 2006 9:39 AM
From FNC, no mention of the car being a bomb transporter.
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,199239,00.html
at June 13, 2006 9:47 AM
Anything and anyone for the cause. Its a bad time to be a palestinian; factional fighting, poverty, unemployment and exploding beach toys.
When your own people use you as fodder for their cause, you might want to consider moving.
Posted by: Bacon-I Will Miss Thee at June 13, 2006 10:27 AM
when the single missile fired by the IAF detonated the Katyushas inside the car. Posted by: Carolyn2 at June 13, 2006 09:39 AMAround April 26, the IDF fired a missile that eliminated a loaded mobile Qassam launcher vehicle. I can't find the video now but it was on the net back then. It gave you a good idea what happens in the entire vicinity when those missiles in the back of the vehicle go off after the vehicle itself has already been hit. Posted by: Shy Guy
at June 13, 2006 10:28 AM
Off topic, sorry!
Want your day made? Go to:
http://newsforums.bbc.co.uk/nol/thread.jspa?threadID=2161&&edition=1&ttl=20060613160143
It's the readers comment section on the BBC Website where they ask the question "Should the police apologise for the Forest Gate raid?"
Now click on 'Readers Recommended' and enjoy!
All the years of taqiyya and yet the UK public are not buying anymore. Heartening to say the least.
at June 13, 2006 11:06 AM
Bacon-I Will Miss Thee:Anything and anyone for the cause. Its a bad time to be a palestinian; factional fighting, poverty, unemployment and exploding beach toys.
Allah is not doing a very good job protecting his submitters in 'Palestine', or Iraq. Allah 'might' have done something for Mohammad, but what has he done lately? Muslims keep saying 'Allah knows best'. It's amazing they can say that with a straight face. Paraphrasing Buddha, 'If Allah created all that suffering, he cant be good, If he is powerless to stop it, he cant be God. 'Whats that they say about mercy and compassion? Just exactly how does Allah display his mercy to even the best 'Palestinian' muslims? The only way out of Allah's fatalism is apostacy. Throw all the Qurans down Mahdi's well, convert to some other religion, or no religion, get a job, produce something besides misery. Prosper, have some fun...be free of Allah...
at June 13, 2006 11:07 AM
It was all here. Evidence appeared last Friday. Extensive coverage began here
http://tinyurl.com/lx6eo
Blood libel ............again
Pamela
at June 13, 2006 11:12 AM
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at June 13, 2006 11:34 AM
muslims are whining again. The two that the British arrested last week are out and having confrences. See 'Brothers describe anti -terror shooting'. I did not link to the story direct because I think we would like to look at the gentle faces of the brothers. They are not on the story page.
http://news.google.com/nwshp?tab=wn&ned=us&topic=w
Posted by: arjun.sevak at June 13, 2006 11:43 AM
PJS1:
check out melaniephillips.com for Melanie's recent article "Playing Us for Suckers?" in which she speculates that Forest Gate was a sting operation by the jihadists, intended to damage police and MI5 credibility.
As for the feedback from "readers", it's a mix, really, as I would expect for BBC faithful types.
Posted by: waterdragon52 at June 13, 2006 1:00 PM
KJ, as you well know, this story will be treated the same way the Mohammed Al-Dura hoax, the Jenin "massacre" hoax, the Rachel Corrie "murder", the Palestinian census fraud, and the dishonesty behind the 4:1 ratio of Palestinian: Israeli "civilian" casualties.
Ignored by the usual suspect "anti-Zionists" and their fellow travellers.
Posted by: waterdragon52 at June 13, 2006 1:15 PM
Polish Infideless,
go back and read the BBC article...
No mention of the fact that the beach was recently used by Israeli units for missions into Gaza and the palestinians placed mines on the beach and then promptly removed them after the blast. Instead they say ,"Reports say the committee is likely to suggest that a mine planted on the beach by Hamas to deter Israeli amphibious assaults was the probable cause of the explosion. WTF is that supposed to mean? Either it was a mine or it wasnt. They wont report that it was a mine despite the evidence.
No mention of the fact that the blast mark was the kind from planted explosives and not falling artillery. No mention of the fact that the shrapnel removed from the bodies were not from an artillery shell.
Not exactly a gushing retraction. CNN had more to say on the facts than BBC...
at June 13, 2006 1:33 PM
Considering that Hamas and Human Rights Watch ( reliable, nonbias sources both!) claim it was a 155mm shell that hit the beach, why did the IDF even need to investigate? Israeli patrol boats are not armed with a 155mm gun - in fact, the largest gun they carry is about 30mm. Their Corvettes max out at about 76mm.
Heck, NO ONE uses a Naval 155mm gun! There are test programs in Germany and the US - on ships no smaller than a Destroyer.
- Don't let the facts get in the way of the "truth"!
Posted by: cartoonmohammed at June 13, 2006 1:41 PM
There is a vicious sort of irony for this poor family who was destroyed completely by this mine - if Israel had not ended the horrible tyrannous occupation of Gaza, if the IDF was still there on the ground - these people would be alive today.
If the average Palestinian voter would have been capable of putting the fear for his own safety above his hatred of Jews, he would be in less danger than he is now.
The Palestinians can say whatever they want about "brutal occupation"... but I would rather have army checkpoints than an ELECTED GOVERNMENT who plants landmines on picnic grounds and doesn't bother to take precautions to keep civilians away from them.
These are Hamas' true colors.
at June 13, 2006 1:47 PM
Hamas & Fatah at each other's throats. Hope the Israelis enjoy that entertainment... while it lasts
Posted by: Infidel Pride at June 13, 2006 1:57 PM
I don't know the full facts of what happened in this case but then how could anyone as no proper investigation hs taken place yet. However i stumbled on this site and I must register my protest against this anti muslim, israel worshipping load of rubbish! Israel commit an attrocity? It has happened in the past it will probably happen again. There are men of violence on both sides. Just because something is state sponsered does not make it right. And before you all jump in saying I am an islamist sympathiser I am not i just believe in fairness. The concept of jihad watch seems somewhat dubious. Muslims are not the enemy within - fanatics are a tiny minority who come from all faiths and creeds.
Posted by: sarakins at June 13, 2006 4:46 PM
vatar, I agree, but as for Al BBC (as I have read other, more accurate reports of course) this is WOW U-turn. This is how bad it is!
Posted by: Polish infideless at June 13, 2006 4:51 PM
Avatar, sorry - i have missed the crucial first letter of your name.
Sarakins - how many joints have you had today????
at June 13, 2006 4:55 PM
The concept of jihad watch seems somewhat dubious. Muslims are not the enemy within - fanatics are a tiny minority who come from all faiths and creeds.
Posted by: sarakins
Are you friggin' serious?
HA HA HA HA
at June 13, 2006 5:20 PM
Meanwhile Israeli PM Olmert is in London and brings out the Jew haters in force:
his deluded daughter demonstrates in Israel against the IDF:
http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3261125,00.html
Illusions, delusion and no solution in sight...
Posted by: sheik yer'mami at June 13, 2006 5:30 PM
Hi there sarakins,
I've read your post with interest and bookmarked your DOB. Next year you should receive a birthay greeting from me wishing you 'many happy returns, it's your first birthday as of yesterday.
at June 13, 2006 5:41 PM
It either is Israel's or the USA's fault whenever anyhing bad happens to the mos.
Does anyone care any more???
Posted by: Texican at June 13, 2006 5:44 PM
Here you go, sarakins. Scroll down for "the list"
let me know if you find any Methodists or Baptists in this group.
http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/
at June 13, 2006 5:52 PM
Another link for reference to Hamas.
http://www.conceptwizard.com/terror/a1.html
at June 13, 2006 6:45 PM
Sarakins,
Here is my 2 cents. Don't read newspapers for this. Just go to a library and pick up books on the history of Christianity, Judaism, Hinduism, Buddhism. And finally islam. Try and find the fanatics from all faiths. You don't trust this site, you say so, but your friendly neighborhood library is surely trustable ? See you at JW after this. :)
at June 13, 2006 8:29 PM
Arjuna, won't that depend on WHO wrote those books?
Why not just examine current events? Who is killing tourists and clamouring for their own li'l Sharia Hellhole in the Philippines?
Who is imprisoning non-Muslim women in Malaysia for not wearing Arabic costumes in college?
Who has murdered 2 million black African Sudanese since 1983?
Who has murdered 70,000 Hindus in Kashmir since 1990?
Who has murdered 500,000 in Somalia since 1990?
Who is whipping and hanging gay children and girls "with sharp tongues" in Iran and Saudi Arabia?
Who is occupying the entire nation of Western Sahara?
Who is occupying northern Cyprus?
Who is financing terrorist madrassas all over the world?
Who bombed flight 103 over Lockerbie?
Who committed the terrorist attacks of 911?
Who bombed the WTC in 1993?
Who destroyed the ancient, irreplacable statues of Buddha in (formerly Buddhist) Afghanistan?
Arjuna, it's time to accept the facts. And btw, who rode into India and destroyed all those Hindu, Buddhist, and Buddhist/Greco kingdoms? And destroyed all those temples? And sent all that gold and all those slaves back to Baghdad? And took over the greatest buildings and made them mausoleums (like the Shiva temple that "became" the Taj Mahal?)
Posted by: kj at June 14, 2006 10:52 AM
kj,
I think sarakins will get the hang of it if she just goes through the material on this thread. Your post, if given to a dhimmi to solve, will most probably have him in our camp by the time he is halfway through it. :)
at June 14, 2006 12:04 PM
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