This warning will just be ignored and the madness will continue.

Posted by: km at June 14, 2006 9:00 PM

It didn't work on Bush (via Mahmoud Ahmadinejad and his letter)and it won't work on Howard via this clown. If anyone needs to convert, Muslims are the ones who need to convert to 21st century common sense. Mercy and decency seem to have been left out of the Koran.

Posted by: wolf_178 at June 14, 2006 9:06 PM

Short of reciting the Shehada, John Howard should do what all Muslims do - wage war. Declare war on Indonesia (belatedly) for the Bali bombings, and seize all islands east of Bali, including Kalimantan, Sulawesi and Irian Java. Bomb Java and Sumatra - particularly Aceh. Partition the islands so that each groups has its own country - Christians in Sulawesi, Dayaks in Kalimantan, Hindus in Bali & Lombok, et al. Let a civil war erupt in Java and Sumatra after their army is destroyed. Extend that war to Malaya, and separate out Sabah and Sarawak, and let Thailand conquer Malaya. Oust the sultan of Brunei. If Howard wants to, he can make it more interesting by simply claiming that he's doing it in the name of Allah.

Without embracing Islam.

Posted by: Infidel Pride at June 14, 2006 9:07 PM

Let Bashir say more and more of this nonsense. Let the world see how inane these people are.
Bashir has said all Australians should convert to islam, after the Bali bombings.(yeah,,right and give up football and beer?)

Keep it up miscreants!

The west is going to catch on and some of your own are going to feel the pain of being outcasts in a western society.They are already.
Sooner, hopefully, than later there will be a "critical mass" in the west. We won't put up with this nonsense for ever.

Every day another awful act of islam is reported - it will not go unnoticed.

Posted by: Gramfan at June 14, 2006 9:20 PM

Another invitation to Islam, eh?

I was wondering, did the letter to the POPE from Ahmadinejad ever come to light?

Does anyone know the contents?

I heard there was a letter but ne'ery a word about what he had to say....

Anyone?

Posted by: Kay at June 14, 2006 9:42 PM

It is like the Monty Python movie where the black knight kept fighting after losing all his limbs, one at a time. 'Come on back and I'll bite you to death.'

The west keeps losing people via barbarism, yet it seems like it just gets caught up in the days news, somewhere down the headlines a story about it appears, beside car wrecks and small time crooks.

Never under estimate the stupidity of the west's left wing media! Do so at all of our peril.

Posted by: winston at June 14, 2006 10:19 PM

"Never under estimate [sic] the stupidity of the west's [sic] left wing media!"

Erratum Sheet:

For "west's left wing media" read "the press, radio, and television all over the Western world"

Posted by: Hugh at June 14, 2006 10:37 PM

We should ALL convert to islam. That will please Mr.Bashir, and give the moonbats and leftfascists something to think about.

Posted by: Mr Krabs at June 14, 2006 10:48 PM

My prediction: the Republic of bin-donesia will invade Australia in the not-too-distant future.

Posted by: pythagoras at June 14, 2006 11:18 PM

Pythagoras; Invade with what? They don't have a Navy worth shit nor the appropriate sea lift capacity. of course they can always send Muslim immigrants seeking asylum from 'persecution' in Indonesia. I'd bet that Australia has a few terror cells operating in-country...

Posted by: Pelayo at June 14, 2006 11:30 PM

Pelayo,

Terror cells have been broken up in Sydney and Melbourne. The cases are currently before the courts. But we expected this since we have troops in Iraq, our PM is a good mate of Bush, etc, etc, ect, so our leftists tell us, unlike Canada...

Posted by: PAS at June 14, 2006 11:37 PM

I'd bet that Australia has a few terror cells operating in-country...

just one, its called the Islamic community.

Posted by: Mr Krabs at June 14, 2006 11:42 PM

My prediction: the Republic of bin-donesia will invade Australia in the not-too-distant future.
Posted by: pythagoras at June 14, 2006 11:18 PM
+++++++++++++

pyth old boy, you may be onto something.

How will the Aussies defend themselves from an invasion since their PC government collected all of the privately held guns????????????

Want to subjugate a country's citizens, disarm them first for their own safety. Sounds like many attempts that have been tried in America, but have so far failed.

The right to be armed makes more and more sense with each passing day.

Prepare, be armed, be ready.

The Texican.
Freedom, the only choice at any cost and the cost will be immense.

Posted by: Texican at June 15, 2006 12:32 AM

The correct translation of Allah hu akbar is "allah is greatest" Using God confuses the infidels and of course the mistranslation 'god is great' deceives the infidels as they are misled to believe the monotheist 'god' for Muslims is the same as the god of Christians and Jews. It's all very clever taqiyya. Of course the MSM, symbiotic parasitic partner of Islam that they are, is all too eager to promote the deception.

Posted by: John Sobieski at June 15, 2006 12:47 AM

There are hundreds of miles of open ocean between Indonesia and us (West Papua is closer). We will blast their boats out of the water before they reach us.

Posted by: PAS at June 15, 2006 12:48 AM

Skald:

"Texican, Australia has some pretty damn tight immigration and sanctuary laws concerning Muslim nations...

As far as I know, John Howard isn't a push over...

And as far as I know the Aussies have pretty much broken apart all of the terrorist cells..."

I agree. I think John Howard and his govt, are very aware of the islamic menace. What we have to do is make sure the opposition never gets voted back in, and hopefully with Howard's economic successes we may be ok for a while.

I know the police are really on to all the possible problems. A lot of activity was detected before the Sydney Olympics.

There are teror trials going on as we speak and sadly the state gvernments are not of the same ilk as Howard. However he has passed a lot of anti-terror laws, and tightened illegal immigration.

Strong need to support Andrew Bolt, a journalist with the Melbourne Herald-Sun. He is one of the few who "gets" it. He has a forum and almost every time the issue of islam is raised.
People from the US are posting also.

Texican,
we don't have gun laws like in the US. Of course all the crims manage to get them.
Can't see this changing, frankly.

Posted by: Gramfan at June 15, 2006 1:32 AM

http://www.heraldsun.news.com.au/common/story_page/0,5478,19235114%255E25717,00.html

OT,,,,but a recent "taste" of Bolt.

Movie madness
Andrew Bolt
24may06

AT last, Hollywood makes a movie about a barbaric religion that oppresses women and sends fanatics to kill unbelievers.

Yes, they've had it coming, those, er, Catholics. They've terrorised us too long.

So clap the makers of The Da Vinci Code. Imagine what guts it took for them just to go to last week's premiere in Cannes when -- as The Independent reported -- outside the theatre there was "a contingent of persistent nuns hovering forbiddingly".

Those damn hovering nuns. No wonder we're so scared of flying.

But a word of advice to the Catholic Church, and particularly its Opus Dei order, accused in this film of being a bunch of self-flagellating perverts and assassins.

Friends, why waste breath insisting the film tells lies when it says Christ had a child with his "wife" Mary Magdalene, and the church has murdered their descendents to protect its power?

Stop claiming that you're actually nice guys who'd have to be insane to kill the children of your own God.

You're accused of being killers? Then live up to the hype. It's your only hope. Just ask our Muslim friends.

Ask them why no Hollywood director dares make a movie that trashes Islam the way The Da Vinci Code trashes Christianity.

Here are a few clues. In 1988, novelist Salman Rushdie wrote The Satanic Verses, which -- as The Da Vinci Code does with the Bible -- questions how the Koran came to be written, and suggests it, too, crushed the worship of female divinities.

But some Muslim hate-preachers, unlike the average bishop, don't wring hands, but necks.

And so Iran's ayatollahs issued a fatwa on Rushdie, who within five years saw his Japanese translator murdered, his Italian translator stabbed, and his Norwegian publisher shot three times.

I don't know if Dutch director Theo van Gogh forgot that lesson, or learned it too well, but he later made a 10-minute film which showed half-naked actresses on whose skin was written the Koranic verses, which most insulted women.

Two years ago, a Muslim viewer gave him the ultimate bad review, cutting his throat and pinning a note of complaint to his chest with a hunting knife.

Other "bad" art has had similarly robust critiques from militant Islamists. The huge Bamiyan statues of Buddha were blown up by Afghanistan's Taliban. A fresco in a Bologna church, showing Mohammed in hell, was the target of a planned bombing by al-Qaida.

And in case our artists still hadn't got the fatwa, Muslim crowds this year rioted so violently against Danish cartoons of their prophet that 140 people died and two Danish embassies were burned down.

Now that's the kind of protest Hollywood heeds and had newspapers around the world censoring themselves out of sheer fear.

Of course, Hollywood hardly needs an excuse to savage us rather than the latest tyranny. But never has it seemed so determined to do this as it has since September 11.

IT was around that very day that the makers of The Sum of All Fears became the first in Hollywood to declare that showing Muslim extremists as the kind of people who might kill you was haram, a sin against safe business.

Their film was based on the Tom Clancy novel, in which Muslim extremists, helped by East German communists, smuggle a nuclear bomb into the United States and blow up a crowded stadium, illustrating a threat only too real.

But when the Council on American-Islamic Relations demanded he be nice to Muslims, the director turned his baddies into German Nazis and a white South African, pleading: "I have no intention of promoting negative images of Muslims".

Since then Hollywood has looked in every direction except the East for its villains -- every direction except the one most terrorists actually come from.

Run through the latest movies. The Constant Gardener paints our drug companies as racist killers. Kingdom of Heaven makes the Crusaders the real baddies. Munich criticises Israel for hitting back. Syriana blames wicked American oil men for corrupting a harmless Arab tyrant. Fahrenheit 9/11 makes Saddam's Iraq seem like paradise and George Bush an agent of hell.

Even past enemies of us wicked capitalists are redeemed. Good Night and Good Luck savages those who once hunted Communist spies in the US. The 2004 remake of The Manchurian Candidate replaces the old villain -- an agent of communist China -- with one from a US company just like Halliburton.

So many villains, and all Americans, Christians and Jews. Not a Muslim among them. Still, it keeps the actors safe, I guess. When did some Jew or Christian last hammer out a film review with a machine gun?

But there is more than cowardice behind this. This year's V for Vendetta chokes with real loathing of the very institutions that make us free, as if only the totalitarian is pure.

It invents a police-state Britain in 2020 that -- backed by a pedophile Anglican archbishop -- has declared war on all gays and Muslims, and is so evil that its leaders could poison 80,000 of their own people and pin the blame on Muslims, just to pass harsh new laws.

Get the hint? Some on the Left now claim the CIA staged the September 11 attacks as well, to justify a war against Iraq. The film's climax is the bombing of Parliament by a noble freedom fighter -- a scene filmed with the help of the British Government, which agreed to have streets around Westminster closed.

Have we no sense of self-preservation? Perhaps not. See only how many now cheer The Da Vinci Code's attack on Christianity.

Is Christianity really a plot to oppress women, as the film claims? Did pagans really celebrate women only to be destroyed by the sex-hating church fathers?

Again Hollywood attacks what has helped make us free. As sociologist Rodney Stark wrote in his celebrated The Rise of Christianity, "Christianity was unusually appealing to pagan women" because "within the Christian subculture women enjoyed far higher status than did women in the Greco-Roman world at large".

CHRISTIANS rejected polygamy, divorce, infidelity, incest, infanticide, giving women more power and dignity than pagan Rome ever did.

It's true we now have one movie about September 11, United 93, that tells of the hijacked plane brought down by its heroic passengers. But as Khalid Abdalla, who played one of the hijackers said, the director tried not to make the hijackers seem too bad because "it wasn't to be a film about stereotypes".

Of course not. Islamist terrorists killing innocent people for a mad ideology? That's a stereotype we've seen so often in real life that why see it in the movies too?

Let's instead see a film with a fresh take on how, say, the Catholic Church hates women and protects perverts. Or how our politicians are crooks, Germans are Nazis and businessmen scum.

And at the end of it you can declare: I have seen the movie and the enemy is us.

Posted by: Gramfan at June 15, 2006 1:40 AM

This article didn't give Bashir's exact words. I found his exact words in another news story:

"If John Howard wants to be safe and avoid going to hell, I suggest he convert to Islam.
"Islam is the absolute truth.
"I say to all infidels, it is useless to fight Islam for you will be destroyed and Islam will win absolutely."

Posted by: Steven L. at June 15, 2006 1:43 AM

So let me get this strieght you can kill or plan to kill over 200 people and only do 30 months in jail in Indonesia BUT you have a little drugs in your bag in an airport and get 20 years in jail if female or the death plenty if male???

NOW THAT JUST DON'T MAKE ANY SENCE?

As for Howard I think he has enough Testial fortude to do what needs to be done!!!

What is it that Indonesia needs from the Aussis any way or what is it that the Aussis need from indonesia?

WOH things are are going to be ugly soon??

Part of the American Tribe
Squirrel Hunter
Spider Killer
GOD BLESS THE USA AND HER FIGHTING FORCES AND ALL WHO FIGHT WITH HER GIVE THEM STRENGTH, WISDOM, SIGHT, AND COURAGE TO DESTROY ALL ISLAMIC TERRORIST AND ALL WHO SUPPORT THEM LET NOT THE WORLD BE DECEIVED BY THEM AMEN

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Posted by: Catherine at June 15, 2006 1:45 AM

Might seem like splitting hairs, but it should be stressed that when Moslems use the word Allah they actually mean al-lah - proper noun, a specific deity (a black lump of rock) with its own unique connotations, properties, attributes or whatever.

When Arabicized Jews or Bahais use the word they just mean "God" - ie. creator, infinite love, benevolence, compassion, redemption etcetera.

Moslems take advantage of this dual-use to try assert that if all these faiths are monotheistic, they must all be talking about the same deity. But there's like, 20,000 religions in the world - even if only 10% are monotheist it's ludicrous to say that they're therefore all the same entity. Allah isn't Ahura Mazda any more than he is Jehova. But Jehova IS Yahweh. Moslems reject Yahweh and renounce His virtues, quite rightly, as contrary to the will of al-lah.

Al-lah IS Marduk. He IS Molech. He IS Baal. Moslems will take pains to refute the suggestion that al-lah is just a contraction of al-ilah because this would tacitly acknowledge that they're worshipping a mishapen lump of mineral ore that belonged to the Quraish, Muhammads family, whom he killed and robbed, because it (the rock) told him to.

Worshipping God means freely choosing to do so. Worshipping the black rock means submitting to its zombified terrorists.

Posted by: Animus at June 15, 2006 1:55 AM

Western people, including Australian government, are intimidated by Muslims. That is why Muslims are encouraged to be more rude and more terrorists.
The history tells us that the only way to conquer Muslims and Islam is to hit them hard. Look at what the Egyptian and Saudi Arabian governments have been doing with terrorists who are against them.
If we want to conquer Islam, we need to bomb El-Azhar university (because it is the intellectual sourse of terrorism), Mecca and El-Aqsa mosque.
Abbas Shaker

Posted by: Abbas at June 15, 2006 2:51 AM

this is my first post since i discovered this site a few days ago.

i dont want to be accused of being a fascist christian (since when did true Christians become right wing fascists anyway??), but here goes:

john howard hasnt got any guts, except to gut the people who voted him in... but thats another story.

if he had guts, a couple of RAAF F18s would have dropped some 500 pound laser guided bombs on that terrorist training camp (disguised as a madrasah/religious school) the moment he walked in there after he was released from jail. the bombs would have taken out three generations of terrorists. we would have scored a significant victory and set jemmaah islamaiah's plans for dominating South East Asia back 50 years. Its called a pre-emptive strike.

then good old johnny can just deny he had any knowledge of the whole episode, just like he normally does in the political scene here, ha ha.

but that would be too easy, wouldnt it????

alright, time to get off the sopa box.

Posted by: olemanjoe at June 15, 2006 4:42 AM

It's sickening that Bashir is out already. Why aren't Western governments arranging for the "accidental" deaths of cowardly murderers like this?

But on this Andrew Bolt, well, I just flipped through some of his forum posts and almost immediately discovered a comment from that Islam isn't the enemy, that it's just extremists, blah, blah, blah. Based on that and what seems to be an awfully priggish personality (I mean, really, who the hell cares about the DaVinci Code? nobody with half a brain takes it seriously, and the movie has pretty much tanked at the box office, at least compared to the sky-high expectations), Bolt seems to be rather Bush-like.

And since I'd definitely argue that Bush doesn't get it, I can't say that I think Bolt is on the ball. He seems better than most journalists operating in the MSM today, I'll give you that. But he still falls prey to the central delusion -- that Islam itself isn't the problem here -- so he is still doing as much harm as good. I'd argue more harm, because this Religion of Peace/perverted by extremists nonsense is keeping blindfolds on millions of people in the West.

Posted by: OutOfAqaba at June 15, 2006 5:08 AM

I think the number of people who are really Muslim in Indonesia is over estimated. On my visits to this vast country, I have met a rather disproportionate number of people who told me they were Christian (and I'm just talking about ethnic Chinese). I even knew of one person who was actually a Christian, but said they were Muslim on official documents because it apparently speeded things up and avoided complications. Even for the nominal Muslim majority, many still cling to certain aspects of Hinduism (Hindunesia=> Indonesia) and other local older religions.

I've always felt that the strict demands of Islam don't quite sit comfortably with the Indonesian, especially Javanese, psyche. I don't believe that the Arab traders who brought their demanding and restrictive religion to south east Asia completely colonised the minds of Indonesia's many racial groups. But there are always exceptions, such as the repellant Bashir and his ignorant followers. If a push came to a shove, however, I think many Indonesians would ditch Islam and revert back to much older and deeply-ingrained beliefs or even adopt new ones. Indonesia also has a tradition of producing free thinkers.

Posted by: The Northumbrian at June 15, 2006 6:09 AM

Dear Abbas Shaker,

Bombing religion places are not exactly a non-muslim's cup of tea.

However, I had never seen any muslims more happier than destroying the hindu temples, chanting allah is greatest & hammering the statues to pieces. Only then buldozing the place.

Then they build a sidewalk right over the temple.

I would not have second toughts doing back what they did to us but I/We are not like animals the muslims are. We are civilised humans. That is a distinct feature to diffenciate a fanatic muslim & a non muslim.

Lets nail them economically & force them to revert to their ancestors's religion. Which by any case mush more peaceful than Islam.

Posted by: tjwork at June 15, 2006 6:20 AM

http://www.heraldsun.news.com.au/sectionindex1/0,5442,dhs_andrewbolt%5ETEXT%5Eheraldsun,00.html
Yep, Bolts is da man, l have his "movie madness" article in my scrap book.

Posted by: eloivsdiablo at June 15, 2006 6:38 AM

From: Prodos (Melbourne, Australia)

Good afternoon.

I recently recorded an interview with Pastor Daniel Nalliah of Catch The Fire Ministry.

Listen online @ http://prodos.solidvox.com

Pastor Daniel Nalliah, along with Pastor Daniel Scott, were recently found guilty, here in the State of Victoria (of which Melbourne is the capital) of breaching the Racial & Religious Tolerance Act.

Why? Basically, because, among other things, they presented a seminar which simply exposed the advocacy of violence in the Koran and other canonical Islamic texts against non-believers, apostates, and those who do not "freely" convert to Islam.

On my site, you'll also find a link to the text of Catch The Fire's defence. (Where it says: "Click here to read the powerful and well argued defence submitted by Catch the Fire Ministry. But one which, amazingly, failed to impress the court.")

I've been studying the Koran and Hadith for about a year now in the hope of locating some sort of basis for "Ijtihad". But so far have found nothing convincing.

Best Wishes,

PRODOS

Posted by: prodos at June 15, 2006 7:00 AM

Australians all let us unite, and not spend a penny in Indonesia.

Seriously, hit them in the only place we can that makes an effect, in their hip pocket. No holidays in Bali. Go elsewhere. Plenty of beautiful spots in South East Asia.

Posted by: melbourneman at June 15, 2006 7:02 AM

eloivsdiablo:
Thanks for the backup.
Bolt is "da Man"!!
He may sometimes mince his words but he knows what is going on better than most.

olemanjoe:
Howard can't and won't do that and you know it.
However, he is better at national security than the opposition could ever be.I know he has faults - all politicians do.Can you imagine what Latham would have done? Hate to think!

PRODOS
thanks for the link. Good stuff.

Melbourneman
Never been there, will never go! Good stuff!
Yes the Balinese will suffer, but more so the indonesian business men behind much of it.

Posted by: Gramfan at June 15, 2006 10:47 AM

And as far as I know the Aussies have pretty much broken apart all of the terrorist cells...
Posted by: skald at June 15, 2006 12:34 AM
++++++++++++

If any true allah believing mos are still in Australia, then you still have terror cells in Australia.

Posted by: Texican at June 15, 2006 10:59 AM

I thank Mr.Bashir for his suggestion and I will consider it seriously. As the Prime Minister of a Multicultural and multi-religious nation, converting to Islam is always a possibility. However, one suspects that if I did convert, Mr. Bashir may well still be disappointed as I would continue to pursue the present policies which have brought him into conflict with myself and my fellow Australians. He appears to believe that if I was to become a believer, my attitudes towards Terrorism and Terrorists would moderate and I would no longer find them and their acts abhominable.

Islamic extremism is unfortunately all too often, in the minds of many in the West identified as being representative of the mainstream viewpoint within Islam. Clearly it is not. I do wish people, such as Mr.Spencer would learn to differentiate between the two and understand that Islam is not a monolithic religion. We should remember to try and differentiate between what the Terrorists want us to believe and what is reality.

John W. Howard

Posted by: John Howard at June 15, 2006 7:57 PM

"John Howard"-

"Islamic extremism" is a redundancy.

Islam is the coagulated revenge fantasies of a pedophile warlord.

Nothing good comes of Islam except by those Muslims who do not understand it or do not really follow it.

Time for the acting Prime Minister of Oz to read the damned Koran.

Playing showtunes, doing some p.c. soft-shoe and pretending with a Bill Clinton lip-bite will no longer do

And maybe if more Muslims read it seriously as well, (along with the even crazier Hadiths) they'd get the hell out of this absurd, intolerant, homicidal, misogynistic, terroristic, despotic, intellectually-dead end cult that poses as an "Abrahamic" "religion".

Posted by: profitsbeard at June 16, 2006 3:16 AM

Profitsbeard, as a Christian I can recognise there are numerous different interpretations of Christianity. Islam has been split by schism as well. Bashir represents only one viewpoint and it should be pointed out an unpopular one at that. Instead of allowing people like him or bin Laden to determine how you think, do your own thinking for a change.

Posted by: John Howard at June 16, 2006 5:09 AM