YES WE CAN and we must do so loudly. These self perpetuating festering parasitic death merchants certlainly talk loudly about their views. We should be shouting the truth about Islam from our own minerets at least five times a day. We should bring them to task every time they speak.

Posted by: exsgtbrown at June 22, 2006 4:40 PM

Since the "War on Terror" is a figment of the U.S. Government's collective and Chamberlain-esque imagination, Ridge is absolutely correct, and so is Robert Spencer: the war will last at least decades, if not centuries, because the real war, the war nobody wants to discuss on CNN or MSNBC, CBS, NBC or ABC or in the White House Press Room -- the true war, otherwise known as Islamic Jihad, has never stopped in the first place! So, we are just continuing something that started 1300 years ago, Mr. Ridge!

Damn, and these people are our leaders?!?

God help us.

Posted by: Foehammer at June 22, 2006 4:46 PM

Funny..After taking a beating for posting Islamic evil stories and being called a bigot and other things..I started thinking just how much crap Robert must take...Thank you Robert for not quiting..I want to.

Posted by: storagemanager at June 22, 2006 4:58 PM

you hang in there storagemanager, I think your posts are great.

Posted by: km at June 22, 2006 5:01 PM

Nothing disappears.

The Nazis no longer rule a country, but Nazis still exist. They have been reduced to manageable proportions, and at least in Germany, carefully monitored. The Soviet Union may not exist, and the Red Army reduced in potency, but Communism certainly exists. It has been seen, by enough people who endured it, and by others who escaped having to endure it, as a failure on its own terms.

Islam will not disappear. We don't need to have it disappear. We need to constrain it, so that its spread is stopped and reversed. Especially in the Western world, the well-financed campaigns of Dawa, targetted at the economically marginal (such as prisoners, and some immigrant groups), and to the psychically marginal (the loner looking for a readymade community or umma of Muslim "brothers," the person who desperately needs a Complete Regulation of Life -- how soothing to have to do this, and then to have to avoid doing that, and feel that this is virtue, this is piling up points somewhere -- and also, in an ever more bewildering world, a Simple but Total Explanation of the Universe. Who cares if you can't have paintings or sculpture, or the enterprise of science -- you don't need it, you have the Qur'an and the Hadith and Muhammad, uswa hasana, who explains it all for you (for he knows best, always and everywhere, through time and space).

And the Western world, once a sufficient number of its citizens realizes what a threat the belief-system of Islam is, and how difficult or impossible it is to sort out the "moderate" from the "immoderate" (i.e., real) Muslims, and how impossible it is to predict which of the "moderate" Muslims will remain "moderates" and which could become "immoderate" Muslims, and then begin to realize that mere numbers matter in a democracy, and if there were not a few million Muslims in America, but ten or twenty million, the situation would be catastrophic for Infidels, and that must be prevented at all costs.

nfidels have learned a lot -- a good deal more than those whose duty it is to instruct and to protecty them -- about Islam. They need to learn more, and they need to spread the word, in ways little and big. Skepticism at a dinner party, pamphlets left in a railcar or on a subway bench, conversations struck up at a xerox machine, in a checkout-counter line, at a board meeting, at a tenants' meeting, at any number of gatherings, where at the end a few books and websites are recommended, or email addresses exchanged, and you do not fail --you remember because your life depends on it -- to follow up and supply that promised list of titles and websites. And thus it goes, doing what should be done by governments, by our government, but is not being done.

There are no secrets about Islam, though apologstists keep trying to deny or distract, through taqiyya-and-tu-quoque demonstrations, the real nature of Islam. What is in the Qur'an, what is in the Hadith, what the inspiring life of Muhammad inspires others to do, is all there. But you have to avoid those who engage in selective quotation(5.532 without 5.533), or who misunderstand a passage ("There shall be no compulsion in religion") as it has been understood by Muslims over 1350 years, or who ignore the doctrine of abrogation ("naskh") in Qur'anic interpretation.

Nor is the history of Muslim conquest of non-Muslims, and the (un)remarkably, (un) surprisingly similar treatment meted out to all those subjugated non-Muslims, whether the People of the Book (ahl al-kitab) the "fellow monotheists, those Jews and Christians who, unlike polytheists, were grandly permitted to continue, though under often onerous conditions, to practice their religions and not face immediate death or immediate conversion offered to polytheists.

Islam can be constrained. Local ataturks can be encouraged -- ataturks who will start not by bringing "democracy" but by constraining Islam so as to create a class of secularists of sufficient size and power to vigilantly protect the secularist gains, and to insist upon maintaining constraints on Islam. The example of Turkey suggests that Islam is powerful and keeps coming back, like Rasputin -- for 80 years of Kemalism have produced a very different atmosphere in Turkey from that in, say, Arab countries, but nonetheless, one that has very far to go, and that is always in danger of subsiding back into full-bodied, retrograde Islam.

And while constraining Islam, by denying it the Jizyah of foreign aid, by working to diminish the OPEC revenues without which the world-wide Jihad would not have the financial wherewithal that sustains it, by removing or halting Muslim migration to the West and working to de-islamize those born into Islam now living in the West (and of course answering every threat with prompt expulsion of those of whom it can be proven that they owe no loyalty to the Infidel nation-state, its legal and political institutions and understandings). And that should simply become a matter of course, not something requiring endless self-examination and procedural rigmarole.

Finally, the divisions and uncertainties within Islam should be encouraged and exploited. It is a perverse
American policy to risk lives and spend money to discourage such divisions. The three divisions within Islam that matter most to Infidels are sectarian, ethnic, and economic (those Muslims who happen to sit on top of oil and gas reserves, and those Muslims who do not). Iraq offrs both the sectarian divide between Sunni and Shia, a division exacerbated by Saddam Hussein but hardly caused by him (Sunnis have been murdering Shi'a in Pakistan and in Afghanistan, and the mistreatment of Shi'a in Bahrain and still worse, in Saudi Arabia, and the distrust of the Sunnis in Lebanon for the newly-influential Shi'a, which also contains elements of a class-based contempt, demonstrate that the division is echoed outside iraq), and the resentment of non-Arab Muslims (the Kurds) for their mistreatment at Arab hands, another division that could be of interest, if attention were directed to it, to the Berbers in both Algeria and in France, and to other non-Muslims beginning to resent, as Infidels have now begun to point to it, Islam's role as a vehicle for Arab supremacism.

Posted by: Hugh at June 22, 2006 5:15 PM

I, too, appreciate Robert and his excellant work in revealing to interested people the real struggle behind the "war on terror". Keep up the good work, you have many supporters!

Posted by: ThatKraut at June 22, 2006 5:22 PM

I have come to the conclusion that our U.S. and Western governments have read too many works by the likes of Robert D. Kaplan, who, among other mistaken examinations of history, takes it upon himself to practically trumpet the clarion call for the New World Order towards the end of his book. It was this kind of absolute ignorance as to the machinations of the Islamic states and the New Caliphate movement, that left me incredulous after finishing Kaplan's book. It is the same ignorance that permeates our governments: they are on the road to developing an "international government" and as such, one that will be controlled by, you guessed it, the giant corporations and the fat, rich, old men that own them.

This is just educated guess-work on my part at this moment, but it's sure coalescing fast. This would explain why "big oil" men like Bush and Cheney continue to seem oblvious to the true enemy, why their lapdogs like Ridge come out and "setup" the American people for the "long haul" mentality -- because they think, they really must believe, that they can found this New World Order and ignore the danger of Islam. They so horribly, so tragically think that the worst of Islam is just terror manifested by some "radical" elements, and they are so blinded by their own strategies for world politics, that they don't dare even start to believe that Islam will break down the cornerstones of any hope for a true world government and world peace at every turn!

Posted by: Foehammer at June 22, 2006 5:47 PM

I neglected to name the book in question:

Warrior Politics by Robert D. Kaplan

Posted by: Foehammer at June 22, 2006 5:48 PM

Storagemanager,

There are those who would tag anyone religious as a bigot. Frustrated by the current insane violence across the globe (who isn't?), they see religious beliefs and religious disagreements as a (if not THE) primary source of pointless conflict in the world. For instance, many of my own relatives think that way--"a pox on all religions," is their lament. Pay them no mind. Say what you have to say.

More Christians like you need to stand up against the Islamic threat. It seems to me (in the USA) that too many Christians (e.g., the President himself!), out of a misplaced sense of charity and tolerance, ignore, or apologize for, the Islamic cult (not a religion at all, in my opinion), buying into that phony "religion of peace" line.

Just remember (and this is meant sincerely only as a friendly suggestion), that the present world conflict is not Christianity defending against Islam--echoing the Crusader theme that the Muslims like to push. It is, by timeless and immutable Koranic dictates, Islam against all of humanity.

So, we are all of us in this battle together: Christians, Buddhists, Hindus, agnostics, etc. Your postings are okay by me.

Posted by: Stendec at June 22, 2006 6:03 PM

The 'War on Terror' is an obvious extension of the struggle against Islam's jihadist ideology and that's been ongoing for 1400 years. To make things worse, the tools the jihadists use (the very tools created by the good-hearted infidels for the betterment and advancement of people the world over) are more technologically advanced and sophisticated than they've ever been before and able to convert more jihadists to cause more damage to more places around the globe than ever before dreamt of.

How can anyone reasonably believe that this 'War on Terror' will last only another decade? Did they forget to add "...before we succumb?"

Posted by: illustr8rg8r at June 22, 2006 6:11 PM

" the true war, otherwise known as Islamic Jihad, has never stopped in the first place!"

Actually, it was put on hold, for about three centuries, beginning in the 17th century, up to the late 20th century, principally because the modern West so spectacularly gained world dominance and caused Islam to shrink in upon itself and fester in the temporary, diseased shadows of exotic casbahs and mosques in the "exotic Orient".

While Islam thus hunkered down (not without a few bouts of quasi-jihad in Mediterranean piracy and resistance in the Philippines and internal outrages such as the Armenian genocide), the West, on its astonishingly unprecedented career of civilizational sophistication and brilliant progress, forgot about its ancient foe, and, in the meantime, contracted a disease of its own -- namely PC multiculturalism: and that's where we stand now, irrationally amnesiac about an Enemy that never really went away, but only went into temporary hibernation.

Posted by: Television at June 22, 2006 7:02 PM

June 22, 2006
Does any one of you older guys know what Abscam was??
I would like the details please?
http://www.beecy.net/frank/
And Kerry still lost! And Fat Boy[Still dead]!

S COURT RULES That an illegal who was deported must stay deported and if his American Wife wants to see him she should go to Mexico! WOW who would have thought?

http://www.humaneventsonline.com/blog-detail.php?id=15612
If you want to know why Ohio is in play??
Top 10 Anti-Gun Senators
Heard this morning that China spanked Iran, But I haven’t heard if they said anything about their boy toy? I would think Russia and China would be a little more concerned because his range is more of a danger to them??

Just makes me wonder? China worried about Iran but not N Korea??

Looks like Jane Harmen A dimmicrat thinks that sarin is not any more harmful than bug spray or other cleaners under Americans Sinks Well she had better get with Poison control because there are a lot of deaths every year due to those products! And of course we all know not to mix those products because certain combos make a dangerous gas as we learned in school??
BOY she is in trouble for her set and will even lie to the people to win SHAM, SHAME, SHAME,

Part of the American Tribe
Squirrel Hunter
Spider Killer
GOD BLESS THE USA AND HER FIGHTING FORCES AND ALL WHO FIGHT WITH HER GIVE THEM STRENGTH, WISDOM, SIGHT, AND COURAGE TO DESTROY ALL ISLAMIC TERRORIST AND ALL WHO SUPPORT THEM AMEN

Posted by: Catherine at June 22, 2006 7:13 PM

It will last a very long time because so many in the West are so blind to the Islamic threat and make excuses and cover for Islam and are just plain stupid. If every Western nation stopped Muslim immigration and expelled the vast majority of Muslims and stopped allowing them to come into the West , it was shorten the war of terror considerably. However, that's not going to happen and things will have to get a lot worse before they get any better.

Posted by: corli at June 22, 2006 7:16 PM

Television-

Well said.

A curious detail-

Reading some paleontology, I came across the note that the first land animal to breathe air was the scorpion.

Islam is also as old as that, in the human psyche-sense. And as deadly.

Both survive so long for the same reason.

Implacably poisonous. And an instinct to strike.

Posted by: profitsbeard at June 22, 2006 7:52 PM

Hugh

Islam need not disappear, but I'd like its number of adherents to number at the most 1 million, if not in the thousands, but certainly nowhere near 1 billion. If we can achieve that, all the Muslim trolls that walk the streets and campii can keep doing it; at least, they would be as marginalized as the Branch Davidians and any other cults around.

As for Communists, I wouldn't exactly write them off - not until the Chinese Communist Party implodes, or loses its power in Beijing. Their de-facto Capitalist policies notwithstanding.

Posted by: Infidel Pride at June 22, 2006 7:58 PM

Fla bust??

Posted by: Catherine at June 22, 2006 8:01 PM

Since this 'War'[Jihad] has been going on since Murderous Mo emerged from the Desert whats a few more hundred years,eh? Our main problem is WESTERN APATHY. Hey,they say, "let's enjoy ourselves while we're alive : Devil take tomorrow." Substitute 'Devil' for Islam and you have the answer. All these pleasure loving people
who don't want to know what's staring them in the face is UNDER SHARIA LAW THERE WILL BE NO PLEASURES TO ENJOY-these stone Age Barbarians want to forbid music,dancing,art,free speech,sculpture,books [apart from Islamic ones]education for women,pork,alcohol,sports-no soccer or tennis & no shorts worn either-list goes on and on...Sex will be confined to arranged marriages or concubines,even then unable to copulate in the direction of Mecca and
shagging sheep or goats [animal abuse].
It has been shown the more soft & luxury living a nation becomes the more its Decline & Fall is
imminent- Re ROMAN EMPIRE.WEST IS KILLING ITSELF
BY ITS OWN TOLERANCE AND LIBERAL IDEAS. However there will, I believe, some catastrophic events which are going to be THE WAKEUP CALL. A pity, many thousands of people will die in a most horrific way before WEST TAKES NOTICE...

Posted by: Morgane at June 22, 2006 8:04 PM

Television writes: "the West, on its astonishingly unprecedented career of civilizational sophistication and brilliant progress, forgot about its ancient foe, and, in the meantime, contracted a disease of its own -- namely PC multiculturalism."

Actually, the truth is even worse than that. The West did not quite "forget" about Islamic radicalism. Instead, during the Cold War, both the U.S. and the U.S.S.R. fished in those troubled waters, hoping to derive geopolitical advantage.

The U.S.S.R. certainly supported the Palestinian terrorists and the radical Islamist insurgents in Iran who overthrew the Shah and replaced him with the Ayatollah Khomeini. The Shah had been a staunch U.S. ally, so the U.S.S.R. was glad to ally itself with an indigenous movement to have him ousted.

For its part, the U.S. armed and trained jihadists to foment trouble along the periphery of the U.S.S.R., particularly in Afghanistan after the Soviet invasion of that country. A policy which was initiated by President Carter's National Security Adviser, Zbigniew Brzezinski, in 1979.

But by now, I'm sure both nations deeply regret how they tried to use Islamic radicalism as a geopolitical pawn against each other. These Islamists are proving to be a formidable third force of their own; they are nobody's pawn.

In 1999 (I think it was), Brzezinski was asked by a European journalist if he had any regrets about encouraging the growth of Islamic radicalism as a counterweight to the U.S.S.R. He is reported to have replied, "What is most important to the history of the world? The Taliban or the collapse of the Soviet Union? Some stirred-up Muslims or the liberation of Central Europe and the end of the cold war?"

If Tom Ridge is right that the war on terror may last for decades, then Brzezinski's rhetorical question about "some stirred-up Muslims" may actually be a tougher call than he thought.

Posted by: Steven L. at June 22, 2006 8:29 PM

To Television:

As far as I can see, WE AGREE on the main points.

1. WE AGREE THAT, for a social system to be condemned, the core DOES NOT have to attain the absolute depths of "rottenness" (i.e., of evil), nor need it be rotten throughout.

2. WE AGREE THAT NO social system attains absolute or perfect depths of evil, or uniform rottenness throughout its core, or the complete absence of good elements. In short, we agree on a certain moral diversity even in systems that are evil on the whole and should be condemned. (Thus you acknowledged "increments" in your recent post, and moral variation in earlier ones.)

3. WE AGREE THAT all III.2 (closed) social systems are to be condemned, and that different III.2 systems are rotten to differing degrees, but all of them have crossed some threshold degree of rot that puts them in the III.2 (closed system) condemned category (Increments again.)

4. You, Television, think analysis of moral variation has only negative utility, or at least net negative utility, in the fight against Islam. I think such analysis might have net negative utility, but not mere negative utility. I also think such analysis might have net positive utility, insofar as possessing concrete knowledge of all kinds could perhaps be called “keeping one’s eyes open,” and is therefore a net positive in the fight against Islam.

So what do we really disagree about? Not much that I can see.

(In your last post you seem to think I disagree with the first point. Not sure why you thought that. I haven't disagreed with you on the first point for a long time, indeed I have affirmed the first point many times in recent posts. Unless I am mistaken, you haven't been reading closely. If you haven't, no sin, as I don't recall being aware of holy writ pouring from my keyboard. But I guess the failure to see something I have said several times recently, something, moroever, that is crucial to the point I have long been trying to make, means it's time to give this a rest.)

By the way, I like to chew pork, but I tend to eschew it because pigs are smarter than dogs, and that crosses some kind of a line for me.

Posted by: traeh at June 22, 2006 10:31 PM

Not that I would eat dogs.

Posted by: traeh at June 22, 2006 10:38 PM

profitsbeard, an apt metaphor, the scorpion -- at least for its inveterate and perduring primitivity; but at least scorpions aren't alacrified by an eschatological zeal and a supremacist expansionism, as their fellow mutant arachnids are.

Posted by: Television at June 22, 2006 10:43 PM

Unless I had to.

Posted by: traeh at June 22, 2006 10:47 PM

Steven L. --

"the truth is even worse than that. The West did not quite "forget" about Islamic radicalism. Instead, during the Cold War, both the U.S. and the U.S.S.R. fished in those troubled waters, hoping to derive geopolitical advantage."

I would still maintain that the reckless use of Muslims during the Cold War can only be explained by our amnesia: we considered them to be quaint, exotic, backward savages who could be put to good use in certain locales against the real danger, the Soviet expansionists. In that use of them, we had in our amnesia either forgotten about the never-ending imperative of jihad, or we had semi-consciously and semi-literately concluded by that time that the jihad of yore was a quaint and obsolete fashion that would exert no significant effect on the modern world.

Posted by: Television at June 22, 2006 10:48 PM

traeh,

"You, Television, think analysis of moral variation has only negative utility, or at least net negative utility, in the fight against Islam. I think such analysis might have net negative utility, but not mere negative utility. I also think such analysis might have net positive utility, insofar as possessing concrete knowledge of all kinds could perhaps be called “keeping one’s eyes open,” and is therefore a net positive in the fight against Islam."

You here are talking about analysis of moral variation, not analysis of moral variation qua moral variation -- which is what I was talking about. I.e., in a system such as Islam, it does not matter -- in terms of our concerns for condemning it, marshalling condemnation of it in our War of Ideas, and defending ourselves against it -- whether one part of Islam is morally better than another, nor in what way or degree it's morally better than another. We would doubtlessly gain, as a by-product, such knowledge as we focus our vigilantly analytically eye on all the data that are relevant to my aforementioned concerns, but such by-products of knowledge -- qua idem -- should not be within the purview of that focus.

"(In your last post you seem to think I disagree with the first point. Not sure why you thought that..."

I thought that because the specific paragraph I was responding to when I made that one point seemed to be implying a reprise of that disagreement.

Posted by: Television at June 22, 2006 11:00 PM

"More like centuries, Mr. Ridge -- if we last that long" Posted by Robert

If we last that long is the trigger. Iran is not building nukes to store for some decades away, future event, they will be used. The second they are to get the bomb, plans will be started for its use.

How long can the world wait?

Posted by: Islofob IS-1 at June 22, 2006 11:02 PM

I am afraid that I must respectfully disagree with Television's interpretation that the jihad was every truly "put on hold", for we can look at example after example even from the 17th century up until World War II of jihad-in-action. Sure, these threats were not as overt as they appear to us today with our modern technology and communications, but they were alive and well none-the-less.

Some obvious examples that come to mind:

The Barbary Pirates pilfered

The Ottoman Empire waged war

The Muslim Brotherhood was founded (1928)

The spread of the Wahabi sect continued and strengthened....

Alliance between Hitler and the Grand Mufti

Muslim slave-traders persisted (and exist even today)

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I will agree (and have said myself in past postings) that Islam entered a hibernation period around the time of Napolean, but it never truly stopped. It only went further underground. This is perhaps why they are such experts at terrorist tactics: the Muslims have had plenty of practice at covert scheming.

Posted by: Foehammer at June 22, 2006 11:03 PM

I hate this procrastinating "It'll take decades" argument. In the case of the Cold War, the Soviet enemy had nuclear deterrence, and that's why they were able to create a protracted standoff that lasted decades. But what's the excuse in this war for the protracted standoff? Why are we hearing these excuses which imply there is some kind of deterrent that is stymying the hand of the United States from completely defeating the enemy?

Posted by: sanman at June 22, 2006 11:14 PM

Steven L. and Television:

It's understandable that the dangers of Islamic jihad were "forgotten." Between around 1500 and 1950 those dangers were really not very significant, given the West's unapologetic self-confidence and its ever increasing technological superiority. The dangers of jihad have only become significant again in two modern contexts, which did not exist until very recently: 1) Western multiculturalism and high-diversity societies, which make demographic jihad possible and 2) the now-hyperfast acceleration of technological development, which continues to make WMD ever cheaper, ever more available, to ever more people, in ever more varieties, with ever greater ease of use. That unfortunate trend seems likely only to continue accelerating, making global human society like a chain increasingly dependent on its weakest human links, who will more and more have the ability easily to create massively deadly chemical and biological weapons (according to some scientific authorities). A coming convergence among biotechnology, nanoscience, computer science and neuroscience is leading to what some have called a technological singularity. That means different things to different observers, but there is agreement that the approaching convergence will bring almost inconceivable new abilities to control and manipulate matter, as well as huge and quite possibly unmanageable dangers. Jihadists, and other evil or foolish persons, will try to exploit these new destructive possibilities.

Posted by: traeh at June 22, 2006 11:16 PM

Foehammer, we could be disagreeing on a level of semantics. I would be comfortable with saying that the imperative for Jihad never disappeared in Islam, but that at various times it waxes and wanes, and that the specific period I was referring to -- the late 17th century to the late 20th century -- represents probably the highest degree of hunkering-down hibernation that Islam has manifested in its total history (notwithstanding the examples you gave: remember, I'm talking degrees here). I further maintain that Islam did not hunker down during that specific period out of sheer accident, but because of the spectacular and unprecedented global superiority of the modern West -- a superiority that with each passing century became stronger, more dynamic, more sophisticated, more all-encompassing.

Posted by: Television at June 22, 2006 11:26 PM

Television said:

in a system such as Islam, it does not matter -- in terms of our concerns for condemning it, marshalling condemnation of it in our War of Ideas, and defending ourselves against it -- whether one part of Islam is morally better than another, nor in what way or degree it's morally better than another. We would doubtlessly gain, as a by-product, such knowledge as we focus our vigilantly analytically eye on all the data that are relevant to my aforementioned concerns, but such by-products of knowledge -- qua idem -- should not be within the purview of that focus.

In other words, discerning moral variation within Islam is never of any utility to the fight against Islam?

Posted by: traeh at June 22, 2006 11:30 PM

traeh,

I'd agree that the two processes you listed are paramount in enabling or re-enabling jihad's geopolitical effectiveness:

"1) Western multiculturalism and high-diversity societies, which make demographic jihad possible and 2) the now-hyperfast acceleration of technological development, which continues to make WMD ever cheaper, ever more available, to ever more people, in ever more varieties, with ever greater ease of use."

"In other words, discerning moral variation within Islam is never of any utility to the fight against Islam?"

Discerning moral variation within Islam is of utility to the fight against Islam, but discerning moral variation within Islam qua moral variation within Islam is not of utility to the fight against Islam. I.e., in our utilitarian discernment of moral variation within Islam, we might as well be discerning merely aesthetic differences or merely mechanical differences of parts: we are not entering into moral appreciation or admiration or moral judgement. This becomes particularly important when we realize the Orwellian Alice-in-Wonderland characteristic & function of a good deal of Islamic morality.

It's like if we were fighting an enemy of alien beings from another galaxy, the Zarkacs, and our strategists and their scientists noticed that the race of Zarkacs consider the alignment of purple zyxxers with green tungsten-based zamarads to be less morally permissible than the worship of the fifth moon with rings around it. The question of the actual morality and moral distinctions pertaining to these alien practices would be only the province of our ivory-tower exo-anthropologists, but would be irrelevant to our military strategists, who would only be concerned about how these parts function in the deadly machine of the alien psychology and sociology.

Posted by: Television at June 23, 2006 12:22 AM

Storagemanager -

You stand for the Truth, and you oppose the lies of Islam. If that makes you a bigot, then they can call me a bigot too.

Siding with the Truth is never easy, but don't despair, because you're on the winning team!!

Posted by: champ at June 23, 2006 1:11 AM

TV and Foehammer

I guess this would be a semantic difference, but I wouldn't say Islam hunkered down. I'd say that in enough places, its borders were forcibly limited - e.g. the British conquest of India and the Russian conquest of Turan pretty much squished Afghanistan and Iran to their respective countries, with no spilling into Peshawar or Bukhara. Similarly, the conquest of many Muslim countries by the Europeans - Malaya by the Brits, East Indies by the Dutch, Libya by the Italians, Algeria and Morocco by the French, ensured that the only country that could practise Jihad was the Ottoman empire. The real lull happened after that empire came apart - Turkey became secular, the Brits occupied Iraq, Egypt and Transjordan, the French Syria & Lebanon, and the only sovereign Islamic areas that remained was the Arabian peninsula (Iran and Afghanistan notwithstanding). It was the post WWII independence of all these Muslim colonies that led to a resurgence of the Jihad, but keep in mind, there was never really a time-out on the Jihad.

Posted by: Infidel Pride at June 23, 2006 2:03 AM

Well for a change some positive things in Canada. I saw a news show where they were quesioning the end of tolerance in Canada. And this women reporter straight out said multiculturalism is a mistake. That all cultures are not equal ours is better. This would of never happened even a year ago. Before only guys like Pat buchanan would say these things. I don't know who this woman was but the fact it was on a news show on the cbc is very promising.

Posted by: pissedoffcanadian at June 23, 2006 3:47 AM

Assalamau-Laikum peoples,

Hugh comments of desperation are telling. Most peoples here want to equate the war on terror with the war on Islam....but that just has not been possible in the West.

Decent Peoples refuse to belive that Islam is all bad...and ofcourse it isn't ...great spiritual leaders of the Ahamdi are fruits of that. Our modern leader does a lot of charity work, dawa and peaceful teachings.

Ofcourse there are many wars going on.
1) The Modern war on terror was started by the infedel in the 40s by the creation of Israel and Pakistan.

Just imagine (as the infedel refuses to) what the world would have been like without the states of Israel & Pak. Indeed you are putting and pitting YOUR OWN survival on the line for these nations....if ever sensibilities have been stretched ...then it is here.

It was the Nazis who wanted to eliminate the jew in WWII...why should the muslim suffer as a consequence?

The Indian helped you to win world war II, why are they suffering, just listen to that nice Mr. Sevak. Now ofcourse...peoples here will dismiss this with a wave of the hand as they always do...already I can see Arjun's, AIG's fingers typing away like mad.

BUT, who burns thier own house....soil their own delicate English, Amekerie & Indian "roses"...you have spent your lifetime & savings to keep these girls pristine and safe....UNTIL WHEN?

Think about Naseem's question when this happens to you...(no need to thank me by the way)...think what future you owe to that delicate blonde hair ...of those pretty littles girls you ferry to RAH RAH classes.

Think about that pretty Indian brown face, whose dowry you have been collecting all your life.

Imagine now these same delicate daughters now in Jilbabs...in the masjid on a friday offering prayers to Rasul Allah SWT.

Now I am quite comfortable with this picture...but you are not....Dee, Catgirl, SusanP, Arjun ...please think about the actions of your forefathers in the 40s who basked in glory then....you should curse them now...for putting you (and more importantly your daughters & sons) in this position.

Think also...no pets....for these petit womens.

2) The modern war on Islam is being fought here, in the newspapers, on JW and the like by the media.

1.3Billion peoples tarred by the nasty Infedel media brush.....UggggggHHHHH.

The Infedel is responsible for these problems.

Why not start by remove funding from BOTH Israel and Pak....and start saving your daughters.

Posted by: Naseem at June 23, 2006 6:45 AM

Great assessment from Hugh, that. Perhaps a separate FAQ about Islam in the modern world, would help people keep focussing better and help spread some understanding to the almost entirely unsuspecting public. Something that can be printed and distributed easily, like someone suggested. The Jihadis are way ahead in getting THEIR version heard by everyone. Eg in Afghanistan:
http://news.independent.co.uk/world/asia/article1095848.ece

As regards Islam's resurgence in late 20th century, apart from factors mentioned by Infidel Pride and others, it can be attributed to the unbelievable oil price rise from the early 1970's (I think it was $3-4/barrel then against today's $70 app) and the consequent leap in Islamic wealth, which funded millions of madrassas and mosques around the world. Most muslims see it as Alla's blessing to the truly devout and a divine signal that they are on the right track. So strangely enough, if state action against Jihadis continues to be erratic and incoherent as at the present moment, an immediate and potent weapon against Islam is ecologically sustainable living and alternative sources of energy. Each car-pool, each wind-mill and each solar panel represents a blow against Jihad.

Posted by: Dunk at June 23, 2006 7:48 AM

From the Ahmadhi muslim troll above:

"...It was the Nazis who wanted to eliminate the jew in WWII...why should the muslim suffer as a consequence?..."

If it wasn't Israel then it would be 'Al Andaluz'.... or Vienna, or Belgrade, or Bucharest...

Posted by: sheik yer'mami at June 23, 2006 8:02 AM

The Islamic enemy has millions of followers within America’s borders right now. The enemy’s presence within America today in 2006 absolutely dwarfs the German Nazi and Imperial Japanese subversive presence and networks in America at the beginning of WWII. This huge Islamic presence has the potential to destabilize if not demolish the foundations of this country. It has already reached and is about to go beyond that tipping point in much of Europe.

How did this happen? Is it possible that our enemy would have a network of potential armories (mosques) scattered all across the country without any interference from our federal government? Is it possible that our enemy could be using our legal system to obfuscate who he is and what he is, and to silence all opposition? Is it possible that America could already contain 5 to 10 million followers and potential enemy soldiers and/or supporters? Is it possible that our government leaders are allowing tens of thousands of new enemy supporters and potential saboteurs into the country every year? Is it possible that this enemy is controlling American K-12 textbooks and class lesson plans to propagandize our youth? Is it possible that this enemy freely operates thousands of organizations and ideology centers in the country preaching hate, sedition, and overthrow of our laws and constitution? Is it possible that this enemy has infiltrated agents into every branch of government including Defense, State, and Homeland Security? Is it possible that the Muslim nations financing this highly coordinated attack on America get not only a free pass in the halls of Washington but a slap on the back? Is it possible that all our intel agencies do not see the scope of this coordinated attack on our country?

Not only are all these subversive manifestations possible, they in fact have been and are being executed on a daily basis, and we have offered little or no opposition. Our leaders, our congress, our courts, our media, our law-enforcement agencies and our people are paralyzed to identify this enemy, paralyzed by political correctness and a hodge-podge of laws and legal rulings by tyrannical judges.

Political correctness is a derivative of liberal tolerance which has become a weapon of self-annihilation (Serge Trifkovic, Defeating Jihad). Our leaders are swinging the P.C. sword, not at the enemy but at us. P.C. in the hands of our leaders is Islam’s greatest ally in our self-annihilation. P.C. and all its derivatives such as anti-profiling laws and “hate crime” laws must be removed from all the federal law books and in all the states; their continued existence is at our peril as a nation, as a culture, as a people.

Is it possible that our elite politicians, like their European and Canadian counterparts, have their heads buried ostrich-like in the sand? Are they paralyzed with fear by the barbaric slaughter of our troops – the Islamic way of death - or by political correctness, or both? Is that why congress has not declared war on Islam, this sworn enemy of our country? Are the elites and the politicians on both sides of the pond too weary or too afraid to wage war to defend our way of life? The answer to this last question may indeed be “yes” for the Europeans and the Canadians – although there are recent signs of waking up north of the border – we’ll see.

We have to ask ourselves if the answer is “yes” for America too? We do not hear much different from Washington than we do from Ottawa and London on the enemy within. We have seen the paralysis of the elites all across Europe and America. They refuse to act.

In 1776 Thomas Jefferson wrote a famous document on what the people must do when a government becomes deaf to the peoples’ needs… it may be time to dust that document off and have another look. July 4th might be a good time.

The Communist enemy that riveted our attention for 40 years of cold war was never the threat to the world or to this country that Islam is today. The Communists did not have the will to risk destroying themselves. Islamic leaders are not hesitant to confirm Islam’s world-wide objective of domination and imposition of a Caliphate and Sharia Law, and they have no compunction about dying for this cause, or even causing massive Muslim deaths in Dar-al-Islam if that will help them reach their “nirvana”. The ideal Islamic world is a world-wide Third world, including religion, religious police, personal habits, clothes, etc. Islam is submission if you are a Muslim, or subjugation as a dhimmi if you are not. And if you refuse either, you will be slaughtered – Islamic style - in the name of the fictional moon-god allah.

Tom Paine and Thomas Jefferson have their clones on this site, like Hugh, Robert, and many others. But the word needs to get out.

Posted by: Jimmy Bones at June 23, 2006 12:59 PM

Probably too late to chime in on this thread, but I've got a question I don't think is acceptable in any of the other board topics.

Is anyone familiar with the topic of Nazi & Muslim Brotherhood connections? Here's one article I found by George Loftus (which paints islam with a dhimmic brush)

http://www.frontpagemag.com/Articles/ReadArticle.asp?ID=15344

There is also a radio show host Dave Emory (who completely unhinged) but still he manages to dig up some interesting guests on this topic.

So I have to wonder, it makes perfect sense to me that there would be a Nazi-Islam connection. How the Brotherhood was nurtured by western intelligence is questionable, but is there any more reliable information about this subject out there to read?

Posted by: GreatShaitan at June 23, 2006 1:03 PM

^correction, John Loftus (can't edit posts)

Posted by: GreatShaitan at June 23, 2006 1:05 PM

-americaningermany,

Demons don't whisper in Nazeam's ears. The one in her nose at night talks in his sleep.

Posted by: Eisenhund at June 23, 2006 4:01 PM

"In 1776 Thomas Jefferson wrote a famous document on what the people must do when a government becomes deaf to the peoples’ needs… it may be time to dust that document off and have another look. July 4th might be a good time."

Before we (who speak for) the American people do anything rash, we should at least demonstrate that we have the numbers behind our sentiments: At the very least, if in the next 5 years, we cannot organize and realize a "Million-Man March" with a platform that clearly states that "Islam is the Problem": if we cannot do that in 5 years -- if we cannot muster one million out of the 300 million Americans that exist, then we would seem to be a paltry voice indeed. And if the March is just a pitiful few hundred or even a few thousand, I'd say, don't even bother. That would be worse than no March at all. In a country of 300 million, we should easily be able to muster one million -- that is, if the optimism shared by so many American jihad watchers is grounded at all in reality.

Posted by: Television at June 24, 2006 1:45 AM