A little reading on thailand, you will find that the muslim dominant southern regions are corrupt and inefficient.(Gee ya all wonder how that is possible under islam). It seems that their presence anywhere in the world is a justification for seperate rights such as statehood and special treatment. To add to this they also demand compensation for being incapable of self sustainance, so that they can concentrate on other important things such as abusing, humiliating and killing infidels. They make no attempts at merging into the societies into which they immigrate and even when they are granted citizenship, they demand symbols of nationhood be removed as it offends their sensitivities( english flag, Indian national song are examples). If it hurts soo much for these Thai muslims, then a kind remainder of common sense. Please go to Saudi Arabia or some Middle Eastern Islamic S**thole. Oh wait ..i almost forgot...those guys discriminate against non arab muslims, shias, ahmadis, bahais and what not. Those guys won't entertain you, save some money to buy kalashnikovs and explosives. So why don't you save your a**es all the trouble and just convert to Buddhism. Sure you don't get to bang your head on the ground 5 times a day, and marry 4 girls. But replace that with economic self sustainance ,hard work and social service, and you are on your path to being civilized. Good luck

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the hindu

Posted by: thehindu at June 23, 2006 7:49 AM

mo replying to the hindu :

Who wants to be civilized ? I get to rape girls, women, steal, plunder, rob, terrorize, torture, kill and I don't have to work like you. And I get my 72 for doing so.

Posted by: arjun.sevak at June 23, 2006 8:01 AM

yes arjun

I guess the response would be to send mo on to meet his 72 more quickly.

Well this is OT, arjun, but did you notice the news on fund allocation for minorities by the Indian Government. It predominantly talks about is promotion of urdu, improving madrasas and improving educational infrastructure through the Maulana Azad Educational Foundation(more muslim schools). More funds for these guys to hate us more. Its a pity that pro hindu organizations are being marginalized here. We need them now more than ever.

BTW
Are you a shaka member?

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Jai Hind

the hindu

Posted by: thehindu at June 23, 2006 8:51 AM

Hi hindu and americaningermany..
It has already happened in the Maldives. Since 1978 the dictatorship of Maulvi Maumoon Abdel Gayoom has been conducting a massive effort to arabize the people of these small islands. Today the islands are dotted by madrasas with names like "Qatar Ameer School" or "King Fahd Building'. Koran reciting competitions and the "hijab" are the rage now. There is a huge drive to install sharia law.

Posted by: The Pig Loving Maldivian at June 23, 2006 9:12 AM

the hindu,
No, I am not a shaka member. Are you ?

Jai Hind

Posted by: arjun.sevak at June 23, 2006 12:05 PM

I bet most of these jihadis hide out along the Thai/Malaysian border for easy access to Malaysia(the extremist province of Kelantan). However, many villages are still loyal to Thai royalty because of their good deeds towards the south.

It is sad about the Maldives as another tropical hell is created.

Americaningermany,

There has always been a Muslim population in China especially in the western part where Uighurs and other remnants of Muslim groups that traded along the Silk Road are. There is a tiny insurgency in Xinjiang trying to establish an independent state called East Turkestan.

However, it is dying off as people realize that one misstep could mean total annihilation. China still has that "if it's good for China, we'll slaughter millions" type of mentality. The other thing is there will not be a peep out of anyone if China does that because trade with China is just too valuable for most countries to lose.

Posted by: Itachi at June 23, 2006 2:05 PM

Well, Chinese people in general do not hate anyone outright unless they cause major problems for them. The Hui and most of the Uighurs are no problem. However, I suspect there is hatred towards Indonesia for what it did to its population of Chinese. Malaysia might be subject to hatred too in the future.

Posted by: Itachi at June 23, 2006 2:32 PM

So you mean to say that Tibetans caused problems to the Chinese and that is why they annihilated Tibetans and now call it a Chinese territory. I sometimes think that the Japanese were right in understanding the Chinese. They merely killed them and asked questions afterwards.

Posted by: arjun.sevak at June 23, 2006 3:20 PM

arjun.sevak-

The Chinese under Mao behaved like Muslims under Mohammad.

The difference being: Mao could die. And China can slowly come out of its infatuation with his tyrannical madness. Tibet will be free, again, one day. And Tiananmen Square will have a statue of the 'Goddess of Liberty' permanently raised.

But, thanks to Mohammed's invention of "Allah", he is harder to "kill".

Sick thoughts last longer than sick men.

The Koran being the worst case scenario.

Posted by: profitsbeard at June 23, 2006 11:08 PM

profitsbeard,
I do not see the Chinese problem resolving itself soon. They are nuts of the first degree and want the world. They arm NK, pakistan, iran, to weaken the West. They build a blue water navy that is taking trips as far as Australia (that sure is defending Chinese territory), and they exist the sole threat to the World after islam. They are building military bases in Tibet against India. And, of course, they want Taiwan. It is the only country that has SERIOUS territorial disputes with all 16 of its neighbors including India, pakistan, and Russia. The commies are the world's second worst nightmare

Posted by: arjun.sevak at June 24, 2006 12:01 AM

arjun

(sorry for the delay)
Used to be in one in my school days. But dropped it when the idealism of secularism took me over. Now "secularism-islam=peace" formula works fine for me

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the hindu

Posted by: thehindu at June 24, 2006 12:18 AM

arjun & profitsbeard,

The reason for China's aggression against Tibet and India is that Islam and Communism are very similar totalitarian ideologies. Fortunately, Communism has a very limited lifespan and inevitably will collapse or be abandoned by its followers. Islam, on the other hand, can only be defeated by meeting its terror with equal force.

Posted by: Provoslavni at June 24, 2006 12:54 AM

to arjun and the hindu,

I assume by shaka you mean the local RSS chapters and not the computer chat network. While secularism is good for thinking people, too often the secularized next generation is so cut off from its cultural roots that it becomes prey to absolute dhimmitude if not outright Islamization. Just look at the UK and Spain.

I am convinces that organizations like the RSS have the potential of becoming an effective anti-Muslim resistance if they can maintain their focus on the right enemy. Unfortunately, sometimes there are a few that want to attack Christians, Sikhs and Dalit Buddhists more than the Muslim aggressors. This is counter-productive.

As a Christian, I am ashamed of the way some idiots who label themselves as members of my faith have acted, particularly in areas of the Indian Northeast such as Nagaland. Nevertheless, despite having to deal with these problems, at the deepest level, Hindus, Sikhs, Jews, Orthodox, Catholics, Buddhists and most secularists share a common love of humanity and decency. Totalitarian ideologies such a Islam lack this humanity. For this reason alone, we can never forget that we need each other as allies and comrades in the struggle against Islam.

I suspect you are both familiar with the writings of Sita Ram Goel, who shows very clearly what Islam shared with Communism as an imperialist threat to everyone's freedom.

Posted by: Provoslavni at June 24, 2006 1:19 AM

arjun.sevak-

It will take several generations, but the Chinese people I know -and most I've met- are not in the thrall of any ideology but family, prosperity and enjoying both. Their instincts are healthy even if their leadership is not.

provoslavni-

They have the Tao and Confucius and the Buddha to counteract the temporary poison of Communism.

Their recent history has been distorted by the alien philosophy of Marx-Engels-Lenin, but I see signs of the Chinese slowly recovering their natural appreciation of the individual.

And they have a joie de vivre utterly missing from Islam.

Posted by: profitsbeard at June 24, 2006 2:43 AM

Provoslavni,
Thanks for posting this. I agree with you, the attitude of RSS towards Christian missionaries is counterproductive. I am not a member of the RSS, but I do appreciate what you yourself do. Such organizations have the potential to counter islam.
I am a Hindu, but I never had a problem visiting the local church. I was a child when I saw the marble statue of The Virgin in the church gardens. I identified her with the Hindu Mata (Mother), and as such had no problem with Christians. Some of my juniors at school went with me to the temples of Mata. We had no religious issues at all. It is only when an ideology refuses to accept other ideologies is when the problem begins.

Posted by: arjun.sevak at June 24, 2006 3:26 AM

Profitsbeard

The religion that the Chinese seem to be opting for as they become more prosperous is Christianity and Falun-gong, not Buddhism or Confuciousism. Taoism, however, I think, is holding its own.

While the Chinese are doing the right thing by populating Xinxiang with Han, and diluting the Hui/Uygar concentration, I think one mistake they are making is in not de-Islamizing and assimilating them. Also, Chairman Mao's legacy notwithstanding, the policies that China follows today, other than its human rights, can hardly be described as Communist. More accurately, it can be described as slave labor - something that no Capitalist or Feudalist country could pull off in today's WTO world (despite China being a member).

Posted by: Infidel Pride at June 24, 2006 3:50 AM

Provoslavni

I agree with both you and Arjun. As a kid, I went to a missionary school, and had the Lord's prayer, and different hymns daily. That didn't result in me becoming Christian, since I had plenty of devout relatives and plenty of religious occasions, and personally was an avid reader of Hindu epics and mythology. However, I did develop a mediocre to modest understanding of what Christianity is all about, and in that context, consider it unfortunate that the different interpretations of the Establishment clauses in the US constitution has ended up denying public school kids in this country the same outlook. Teaching Bible, or other religions in school doesn't result in converting a child, unless there is nothing about religion that's being taught at home. However, if kids grow up getting no religion, they are vulnerable to indoctrination by anything including Scientology, Rasfarantianism and even worse, Islam.

I agree that it's unfortunate that Christian missionaries in India consider it their job to "rescue" Hindus from their "ignorance". Yesterday, I was listening to Michael Medved, who this week was doing his program from Israel, and the discussion touched on how, in Israel, there are agreements between the Israeli government and Christian missionaries to not proselytize to Jews, so that Judaism doesn't end up disappearing as a result. While Hinduism is under no such demographic threat, a similar agreement between Hindus and Christians in India would go a long way towards eliminating the misunderstandings between the 2. The late Pope didn't exactly help things when, during his 1999 visit to India, he insisted on the right of conversion, while tensions between Hindus and Christians were at a high due to the Staines murder.

Having said that, I agree with Arjun that the RSS attitude towards the Christian Missionaries is counter-productive, since it feeds into the stereotype that they are trying to impose a Hindu edition of Shariah on India, and what's worse, an impression that projects the Muslim problems with Infidels onto Hindus vis a vis Christians, Sikhs, Buddhists, et al. Similarly, I have a major beef with their attacks on Hindu couples on Valentines Day, since, apart from being thuggish, it totally glosses over the fact that such celebrations are usually relationship defining exercises rather than an ostentatious homage to St Valentine.

One thing I have noticed - Christians outside India in a largely Christian country, like the US, seem to be a lot more respectful of other religions, than Christians in India. With Islam, the trend is the opposite - while Muslims in India may be somewhat tolerant of Hindus, forget about it if you live in Oman, UAE or Kuwait, let alone Qatar or KSA.

Posted by: Infidel Pride at June 24, 2006 4:21 AM

The hindu

I'm assuming that by "Secularism", you are using it the way it is understood in India - "denomination neutral".

For me, it's always been a dirty word, no matter which meaning I use. Under the Indian pseudo-definition (which doesn't exist in any dictionary), it was simply an euphamism for pro-Islamic. But even under its correct meaning (pulled here from dictionary.com), here is what it means

sec·u·lar·ism Audio pronunciation of "secularism" ( P ) n.
1. Religious skepticism or indifference.
2. The view that religious considerations should be excluded from civil affairs or public education.
secu·lar·ist n.
secu·lar·istic adj.

The other point is that by itself, being athiest or agnostic is fine. However, in the presense of Islam, it's a dangerous state to be in. Think of belonging in a religion as being in a state of stable equilibrium, and for this purpose, one can even include Athiesm. But if one is simply secular, one is in a state of unstable equilibrium, and if one is unfamiliar with the preachings and practises of Islam, one is potentially vulnerable to being converted.

Which is why while your equation is by itself a good one, in the presense of Islam, a strong faith in something else is needed - be that Hinduism, Christianity, Sikhism, Jainism, Zoroastrianism, et al. Traditionally, this has not been a problem in India. But I do worry about India becoming more secular (as in non-religious), and thereby, more vulnerable to Islam.

Returning to the original topic - Thailand, they need to learn from Sri Lanka on how Buddhists, despite their peaceful nature, should fight. And they should remember that Siddhartha was an unmatched warrior, even if he did later in life choose not to do anything with that ability of his.

Posted by: Infidel Pride at June 24, 2006 4:39 AM