Anyone know any more about this? It reminds me of the pizza guy with the bomb attached to his neck. It seems like a muslim neighborhood but the kidnapper though caught was not named. It took six hours for them to get the bomb off the victim. Unlike the pizza guy who died.

http://www.thelocal.se/article.php?ID=4166&date=20060625

Posted by: Borg at June 26, 2006 7:56 AM

Borg,
I saw it at the thread below. Fellow looks like a victim. He told the storekeepers to get in, and was crying.

Posted by: arjun.sevak at June 26, 2006 8:12 AM

>They think they are being persecuted and
>killed everywhere in the world.

Well, we can dream about that happening some day cant we?

Posted by: Han_Solo at June 26, 2006 8:26 AM

"The latest dominant trait of the Muslims is victimhood"

That is really stupid.

It should be "FAKE victimhood"

Firstly there are very few attacks directed at Muslims anywhere in the world which are NOT retaliatory.

Secondly, there are very few attacks against Muslims fullstop. This includes Israel where if anyone had a right to first strike then they do.
More is the pity here.

One day the west will give them something to really squeal about. May that day be not too far away.

Posted by: Zathras at June 26, 2006 8:30 AM

Right on, Zathras. FAKE victimhood is the reality. Helped along by idiot Western apologists who immediately nod their heads and agree with this supposed victimhood, despite the lack of proof.

Note whenever some Muslims get up to their typical crap, the first thing we hear is "the dreaded backlash". They invent it, they lie about it. It's part of the whole strategy. Unfortunately it works, because there's a big segment of our society that is wallowing in self-loathing and spinelessness.

If anything, they are coddled and protected to a bizarre degree.

Posted by: feralee at June 26, 2006 8:39 AM

"The latest dominant trait of the Muslims is victimhood"

And projection. I notice that many Muslims accuse Infidels of doing exactly what they do. In fact, many times their accusations (being set-up, e.g.) is like listing to a loudspeaker of their own mind in process. Thus CAIR will claim that Muslim civil liverties are being threatened by Infidels as we watch them attempt to curtail Infidel free speech.

I am writing a letter to my Senators and Congressman asking-as a voting citizen-that CAIR be investagated via a public hearing in congress. This group is a fraud, and probably infested with anti-semites. They're not Kosher-LOL.

Posted by: Frank at June 26, 2006 9:12 AM

I think the lack of attacks against Muslims will not last.

Somewhere along the line, the Mujahideen are going to go too far, and then the line of patience is going to snap. I think it might happen in Europe, or Scandinavia, but more likely, it's going to happen in Israel or the United States. I don't think that the Muslim world has any real understanding of how much restraint Americans show. And I definitely know that the Muslim world doesn't understand how much anger is building in the U.S.A.

We aren't superhuman. There's only so much filth and insanity that people can take with their morning newspaper and coffee, each and everyday, before eventually something's gotta give.

Keep pushing us "in the name of Islam" and just see what happens when we finally push back.

Posted by: Foehammer at June 26, 2006 9:23 AM

Foehammer the west has shown 1400 yrs of restraint, circumspection and ignorance in its dealing with islam and even in the days of the crusaders the vengeful spirit of the west was not truly woken just stirred.

When it does awaken islam and Muslims will wonder what hit them and it will be ISLAM that is the target and surrender will not be good enough only apostasy. Then, they will have something to really cry about although it will only be in a very small part of some future history books that this is noted.

Posted by: Zathras at June 26, 2006 9:34 AM

"And projection. I notice that many Muslims accuse Infidels of doing exactly what they do. In fact, many times their accusations (being set-up, e.g.) is like listing to a loudspeaker of their own mind in process."

- posted by Frank

Right on.

If took a tour of Islamic propaganda websites a while back.
They project onto the Jews exactly what they themselves aspire to...world domination for example, pedophilia, control of the media, etc.
The other week I tuned in to a special on SBS about "The Protocols of the Elders of Zion", widely touted by muslims as the Jewish agenda.
I was amazed, as the protocols looked like an Islamic to-do list.

Posted by: Mike_W at June 26, 2006 9:42 AM

Foehammer, Zathras,

I do believe that the dams of anger coming from the west against the Muslim world is going to brake soon. This will be so in the event that there is another major attack like 9/11. Not only will all the "projection of victimhood " by the Muslims will be washed away, but also the PC-based nonsense of the last 30-40 years.

Posted by: bigcatgirl13106 at June 26, 2006 9:49 AM

I would like to think that people are realizing the danger but those I talk to don't seem to even know anything is happening. One guy said Jihad, what's that? One said Oh it is a religion of peace, they are a peaceful people. One said I don't read emails regarding that stuff at all, don't send it. One said Well look at our past, the crusades, slavery, indians, blah, blah, blah. One said Well Catholics are just as bad. The terrorists are hijacking the religion, it's peaceful..blah, blah, blah. One is dating a muslim and thinking about converting.

That's in the past two months.

You must be having better luck than I am talking to people.

Posted by: Borg at June 26, 2006 10:01 AM

bigcatgirl Unfortunately I have a gut feeling that it may be a radioactive cloud that breaks the dam of restraint. However those who bear the cost may be rewarded by the anger with which their revenge is taken and find that many islamic porkers will go squealing past them into the depths of hell, no doubt all of them crying "we didn't mean it. Koranic orders are orders".

Alarmedpigfarmer...get ready for some tanker loads of pig blood as there may well be a good use for it.

Posted by: Zathras at June 26, 2006 10:11 AM

Michelle Malkin rightly asks: "Where is the outrage?"

WARNING: The following links lead to the execution video of the Russian diplomats at the hand of Islamic jihadis.

http://michellemalkin.com/archives/005436.htm

Posted by: Foehammer at June 26, 2006 10:14 AM

Borg:

The trick, I guess, is to not waste time talking to illiterates, juveniles, liberals, anyone dating a Muslim, married to a Muslim, etc. But I also have to take some credit in the fact that my friends know I'm not apt to sputter nonsense, so if I say something is dangerous (and I've actually been remarkably quiet on the subject most of the time), people tend to pay attention.

I recommend that everyone concentrates first on educating people that more closely align with your own mindset, views, religion, etc. Then we can all collectively attempt to wakeup the rest, but we can't waste precious time trying to build bridges where rough waters exist. I used to make that mistake when I was much younger. (Every so often I still make it, blindly wanting to believe that people have more wisdom than they typically do.)

There are other ways, too. For instance, I bought a copy of the "P.I.G. to Islam (and the Crusades)" and gave it as a gift to some neighbors. I hand out the jihadwatch.org website address on scrap paper or the back of business cards whenever I deem it wise. Oftentimes, if you give people the means to learn the truth, they will actually take it. Just don't bother forcing ideas on anyone. That will tend to just make them retreat.

If 1 out of 10 people we attempt to awaken actually does, that is no small victory. Every single one of those people has friends and family, and the cycle continues.

Remember: Britain once denounced Churchill for a fool until the truth finally slapped them all in the face. People also used to believe the world was flat and the the moon made of green cheese. Time is on our side.

Posted by: Foehammer at June 26, 2006 10:37 AM

In the full article, Mr. Khaled Ahmed makes another important point: Many of the victims of Muslim violence are other Muslims. But when that happens, either no one cares or the Muslim propagandists even find some way to blame non-Muslims for it. He cites Darfur, where Muslims are killing Muslims; and Pakistan, where Muslims are killing Muslims though both sides falsely blame it on India. In Iraq, many of the terrorist bombs that explode end up killing dozens of innocent Iraqis (Muslims) just trying to live their lives; yet this infighting between Shi'a and Sunni is ignored or twisted by their propagandists into some kind of liberation movement against the West.

That's what gets him pissed off about victimhood. Even in cases where Muslims are fighting each other, they insist that non-Muslims made them do it.

Posted by: Steven L. at June 26, 2006 10:50 AM

If you haven't read it yet, I recomend getting a copy of Londonistan by Melanie Phillips. Her words:

"Minority-rights doctrine has produced a moral inversion, in which those doing wrong are excused if they belong to a 'victim' group, while those at the receiving end of their behaviour are blamed simply because they belong to the 'oppressive' majority."

I am with Foehammer: isn't it time that the majority regain control of society?

Posted by: van der Ley at June 26, 2006 11:05 AM

Oooh, I likey that quote, van der Ley. Putting it my bin.

Posted by: Foehammer at June 26, 2006 11:15 AM

"it in" even...thinking faster than I type.

Posted by: Foehammer at June 26, 2006 11:16 AM

They sure do claim victimhood.

'West introduced suicide bombings in Afghan jihad’

http://www.dailytimes.com.pk/default.asp?page=2006\06\26\story_26-6-2006_pg7_15

The gentleman also says that 'we never have seen such jihad. And that mad mo was pluralistic'. Well, he never saw such jihad because plastic explosive was not around at the time of mad mo. And mad mo sure was pluraslistic. When it came to females, he was pluralistic indeed.

Posted by: arjun.sevak at June 26, 2006 11:18 AM

Mike_W-

You bet. Muslims often have a strangely un-selfcritical mind and do what they accuse others (especially jews) of doing. Maybe the CAIR types can apply for handicapped parking since they are Reality Challenged.

Posted by: Frank at June 26, 2006 11:35 AM

Foehammer - That's a good quote, isn't it? My favorite, though, can be found at this blog entry by Tim Blair:

van der Ley asks: "I am with Foehammer: isn't it time that the majority regain control of society?"

Unfortunately, the window is closing fast. If present population trends continue, by 2040, white people of European descent are going to be a minority in the U.S. The plurality, and soon after that a true majority, of Americans are going to be Latinos.

And given the multiculturalist ethos today, that means that by 2040, more Americans will speak Spanish than speak English.

Posted by: Steven L. at June 26, 2006 12:26 PM

Maybe the Latinos will be less PC and clean the mess up?

I have seen spaghetti westerns so I know for certain :)*holds watch with chimes*

Posted by: Zathras at June 26, 2006 1:38 PM

That's why Liberals like them. Liberals love victims.

Posted by: WC at June 26, 2006 1:52 PM

Dr.Elmasry from the CIC is actually on record at a Senate Committee asserting that if Muslims continue to be terrorized in Canada he can't control the youth that act out their anger and choose to defend islam and muslims through violence.

Elmasry also claimed that Muslims live in fear because of Backlash if any Canadian soldier is injured or killed in Afghanistan .

So far it's been non-Muslim Canadians that were about to be terrorized by 17 Jihadists with 3 metric tonnes of amonium-Nitrate , Canada has seen radical Imams spew hatred towards Christians and jews,George Galloway was a guest of the CIC and Elmasry to speak at a Muslim based forum to declare Canada is at war with islam and we're killing Muslims in Afghanistan .

There are 32 million Canadians Citizens, plus about 1.2 million foreign workers or students and or tourists.
From these numbers there are only about 500,000 confessed Muslims , and to date there has not been one arrest for Mosque vandalism to prove who did it, CAIR tells Muslims to demand the Police report a verbal insult as a Hate-crime .
When the Canadian soldier was shot and killed during a ambush with the Taliban , there wasn't one report of "Backlash" to Muslims for what the Taliban did.

Since it's always a thief that's the first
one to accuse someone else of stealing, it appears that CAIR has revealed how they would react with violence and a blanket condemnation of all non-Muslims for the actions of a few .

KNOW ISLAM - NO PEACE

Posted by: ala-sux at June 26, 2006 3:22 PM

Dudes - fitnah IS oppression to a muslim.

Anything worshipped other than allah in Submission is oppression. The very existence of something other than Submission is oppression.

as with many other words - oppression - has a twisted, special meaning unlike the commonly undertood meaning.

As Archimedes has stated in previous posts:

First, the definition of fitnah:
http://muttaqun.com/dictionary3.html

"Fitnah: Polytheism and to disbelieve after one has believed in Allah, or a trial or a calamity, affliction or to set up rivals in worship with Allah, etc."
[Note: Fitnah is worse than killing a believing Muslim, 2:191, 2:217. The worst possible sin in all of Islam according to the Koran is disbelief in or denial of Allah (10:17, 11:18-19, 18:15, 18:57, 29:68, 32:22, 39:32, 61:7)].

http://muttaqun.com/quran/e/nobe002.htm#2:193
2:190. And fight in the Way of Allâh those who fight you, but transgress not the limits. Truly, Allâh likes not the transgressors. [This Verse is the first one that was revealed in connection with Jihâd, but it was supplemented by another].

191. And kill them wherever you find them, and turn them out from where they have turned you out. And Al-Fitnah is worse than killing. And fight not with them at Al-Masjid-al-Harâm (the sanctuary at Makkah), unless they (first) fight you there. But if they attack you, then kill them. Such is the recompense of the disbelievers.

192. But if they cease, then Allâh is Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful.

193. And fight them until there is no more Fitnah (disbelief and worshipping of others along with Allâh) and (all and every kind of) worship is for Allâh (Alone). But if they cease, let there be no transgression except against Az-Zâlimûn (the polytheists, and wrong-doers, etc.)

194. The sacred month is for the sacred month, and for the prohibited things, there is the Law of Equality (Qisâs). Then whoever transgresses the prohibition against you, you transgress likewise against him. And fear Allâh, and know that Allâh is with Al-Muttaqûn (the pious).

195. And spend in the Cause of Allâh (i.e. Jihâd of all kinds, etc.) and do not throw yourselves into destruction (by not spending your wealth in the Cause of Allâh), and do good. Truly, Allâh loves Al-Muhsinûn (the good-doers)."

[Fight them, killing them, until there is no more fitnah, where the category fitnah includes disbelief/polytheism, presence of disbelievers (8:73), etc. Also compare 2:193 with 8:39; they are basically the same sentiment]
8:39. "And fight them until there is no more Fitnah (disbelief and polytheism: i.e. worshipping others besides Allâh) and the religion (worship) will all be for Allâh Alone [in the whole of the world]. But if they cease (worshipping others besides Allâh), then certainly, Allâh is All-Seer of what they do."

[Note: That remark about "in the whole of the world" is added by the author of the Noble Qur'an. Keep in mind that Islam is a mission to all mankind 34:28, and Islam's mission is to conquer all other religions, 9:33, 48:28, 61:9]

Next, 33:60-62 says that those who spread false news, stirring trouble and sedition against Islam (e.g., by criticising or mocking Islam, thereby upsetting Muslims or insulting their prophet) will be summarily executed:

33:60. "If the hypocrites, and those in whose hearts is a disease (evil desire for adultery, etc.), and those who spread false news among the people in AlMadinah, cease not, We shall certainly let you overpower them, then they will not be able to stay in it as your neighbours but a little while.

Posted by: A_Plague_on_Both_Houses at June 26, 2006 3:22 PM

To paraphrase: 'oppression is worse than slaughter'

Posted by: A_Plague_on_Both_Houses at June 26, 2006 3:33 PM

It's true that muslims don't care about muslim vs muslim violence. 100,000 people died in the Algerian civil war during 1991 and 2002 and noone in ummah spoke up or raised an eyebrow. In fac it hardly made the news, although the masscares were _extremely_ bloody. The muslim extremists wiped out entire villages they suspected to be pro-government. Despite all the massacres, the Algerian civil ware seldom made headlines.

The same can hardly be said of the Palestine-Israeli conflict which made headlines just about every day in that same period. During the second intifadah we read about Palestinian kids killed by Israeli soldiers and blownup Israeli civilians all the time, but in the end the death toll was "only" 4200 people. The Algerian conflict cost the lives of at least 25 times that many people, yet most muslims hardly know about it. I guess muslims prefer to read propaganda where the west is the only aggressor in the world and they'd rather forget about their own sectarian violence. (An example of which is of course the current Iraqi civil war, where a relatively small number of deaths by US/UN troops make far more headlines than the brutal acts of terrorism by both sunni and shiite factions who have killed many, many more civilians.

Posted by: Miranda at June 26, 2006 3:55 PM

I noticed several post on this thread about the West learning what Islam is up to.

Let me tell my story. It is a conversion story so don't be too upset by the beginning. I knew next to nothing about Islam on 9/11. My friends were the most punk kids, the type who thinks Cindy Sheenan is hero. They went into the woods to burn flags on 9/11. They went on stealing flags rampage in the patriotic aftermath of 9/11. They would burn them. I encouraged them to sell them back to people and make money, but that was too capitalist for their taste. I had more important things to do than play silly games with flags, but I was still pretty smug. I knew that in Ancient Greece that the possibility of death and slavery haunted every second of existence. I thought Americans were too naive to think catastrophe doesn't happen (and I still despise the blaming of Bush for Hurricane Katrina). On Valentine's day after 9/11, I went to the vegan potluck punk show with my dish, "World Trade Center Kabobs with Ground Zero Couscous splattered with Drops of American Blood Sauce". I put little aluminum airplanes at the end of the kabobs.

Still, I had my doubts. When my friends said it was ok if businessmen died on 9/11, I thought it was contemptible. I hated how they supported any group opposed to the United States--no matter how much they oppressed women and gay men. I hated the anti-Semiticism that was camouflaged as pro-Palestianianism.

And then I found "While Europe Slept" by Bruce Bawer in the library. I couldn't put it down and eventually checked it out. It was only then that I realized that 9/11 wasn't some random disaster like Hurricane Katrina, but the start of a war. It's war that I badly want us to win. The dreams of even my most stupid socialist friends, my own ecological desires, the visions of my fundamentalist Christian relatives are all tied into basic human decency that Islam denies. We must win this battle if we want a world where in heterosexual couples wifes and husbands love other, if we want a world in which gay marriage is a possibility, if we want a world with capitalist economics and the joyous freedom it brings, if we want a world in the environment is respected, if we want a world in which little girls genitalia aren't mutilated, if we want a world in which we can see the faces of the little girls, if we want a world in which women don't wear portable concentration camps, and so forth. We need to defeat Islam for every decent impulse in the West, every decent impulse in Hindu India, every decent impulse in Buddhism, every decent impulse in animist Africa. We are all in this together.

Posted by: Pediomelum at June 26, 2006 10:38 PM

Thank you Pediomelum for sharing that with us.

Posted by: Zathras at June 27, 2006 1:56 AM

Pediomelum,
Yes. We are all in this together.

Posted by: arjun.sevak at June 27, 2006 2:48 AM

Thank you for that Pediomelum,

Ever consider joining the US Army, they need decent people like you.

Posted by: western infidel at June 27, 2006 12:37 PM