I think that Olmert's such 'broad' offensive is in some way linked to the butchering of the two soldiers this week only. Still he started late, the council debated for too long.

Posted by: arjun.sevak at June 26, 2006 7:46 AM

" the Palestinians will pay a painful price" they have been paying a pianful price since their lands were stolen and given to those that no one wanted.

i think that with the exception of the suicide blast in tel aviv a few months ago, the Palestinians have in the face of continuos shelling, missle attacks, and staight murderous shooting all of which have killed hundreds of civilians, showed restraint and more respect for human life than the isreali's. And this blessed attack by the Palestinian freedom fighter which targeted the oppressive israely military shows courage and honour.

When people suffer and they are humiliated they usually become merciful, and when they one day attain a position of power, they tend to show mercy to the weak. This is not the case for Israel, they seem to be venting their suppressed anger out on the palestinians, its the GERMANS U WANT, but their not as poor and ill equipted as the Palestinians.

Anyway i hope that for all the innocent civilians killed, this pathetic excuse of a soldier get what the whole of isreals government, military deserve.

Posted by: salahudin at June 26, 2006 8:43 AM

salahudin, learn to spell your name right. It is sala-ud-din. salauddin. That is how it is spelt.

Let us talk, salauddin. What is your opinion on the 'innocent civilians' of Chechenya and Kashmir ?

Posted by: arjun.sevak at June 26, 2006 8:48 AM

"Palestinians have in the face of continuos shelling, missle attacks, and staight murderous shooting all of which have killed hundreds of civilians, showed restraint and more respect for human life than the isreali's."

I'm getting tired of reading this diseased animal's comments, but I guess it's for the best. It shows what prejudicial treatment the Muslims give to their own, no matter how insanely false the statements they make, no matter how grotesque the reversals of the truth, the reflections of reality.

There can be no restraint with Muslims. I hope the Israeli soldiers stay angry for a long time.

If there is one thing I learned in my life, you never run from an vicious dog. Better to stand and fight.

Posted by: Foehammer at June 26, 2006 9:00 AM

salahudin is as ignorant of history as any Muslim: a brainwashed sheep awaiting the jihadic axe to fall on his neck as he searches for his soul in an islamic world where male sexual insecurity reigns(hence 9yo marroiages); where only the truth as seen by a lying or delusional warlord is relevant and where science is only seen as per muhammad and his arab dark age knowledge.

Remember the song:" always look on the bright side og life"?

To Muslims there is no "bright side" just a pervasive envelope of koranic darkness and untruth where so many lies are told, so much deceit occurs that none know the ruth as it really is and once was. What is particualrly scary is that none care, so long as it is in the koran.

They remind me of worker termites all doing their best to destroy the fabric of civilisation while their muhammad sits at the centre of the nest like a queen, breeding more darkneess and more barbarity.

Bring on the termicide!!

Posted by: Zathras at June 26, 2006 9:00 AM

salad bowl-

Why don't the invading Muslims get the hell our of historically-Hebrew land and return to their real home in Arabia where they belong?

The Muslim armies have occupied all lands outside of Arabia far too long (1300 years, and counting) and they need to withdraw back to Mecca and Medina and repent for their millennial sins of theocratic conquest, dogmatic intolerance, Allah-approved rapine and Hadithic terror.

They could reform the violence out of the Koran and begin teaching the real history of the muddy origins of the "Recitation" (not compiled until many years after the illiterate Mohammed's death, and certain to contain falsifications based on the human-all-too-human self-interest of Uthman, the 3rd Caliph, or whomever else is credited with producing the "official" Koran... and then burned all other versions... yes, there were other "versions" of this "perfect book"... odd, no?)

For some backround on the obscure beginnings of the al-Qur'an see:

http://www.secularislam.org/research/origins.htm

Posted by: profitsbeard at June 26, 2006 9:30 AM

arjun sevak; What is my opinion on the 'innocent civilians' of Chechenya and Kashmir ?

Well im glad you acknowledge that innocent civilians are being killed by the russian and indian military.

and i think that the crimes commited against Chechens and kashmiries is just as bad because like israel these crimes are being carried out by democratically elected governments, not a few detached individuals. so i thank you Arjun Sevak for bringing the plight of the Chechens and Kashmir's to our attention, some time its easy to forget the oppression of those who receive no media attention at all, once again on behalf of the Chechens, kashmiries and entire muslim world i thank you

Posted by: salahudin at June 26, 2006 9:35 AM

small question. would it not be kindest to palestinian arabs to tell them a truth, that the source of their unending sadness is Islam?

Posted by: StillBreathing at June 26, 2006 9:40 AM

Salahudin - use your time well and go and check out the crimes your Messenger committed against civilians.

Your messenger tortured people to extract the location of treasure. He had women killed as they laid suckling babies. He had his followers kill old men and ambush younger men using friendship as a diversion...

Use your time well. Think about it.

Posted by: A_Plague_on_Both_Houses at June 26, 2006 10:05 AM

Salahudin needs to have some fun with sahih Bukhari and Sirat Rasullah.

Go check them out Salahudin and see why the people in palestine and the terrorists in Chechnya behave the same way. Zarakawi was a true believer and modeled his behavior on the old ways. You could substitute his name into the accounts in Sirat Rasullah and all the nasty anecdotes in the Bukhari adhadith and you know what? No difference in what he did to the messenger and his followers. Think about it, Salahudin. Do you want to support these people? Why would a real god need assassins to kill for it? Why did your messenger say 'God hates you for asking too many questions'

does that make any sense to you?

Posted by: A_Plague_on_Both_Houses at June 26, 2006 10:13 AM

Why even bother talking to such a brainwashed idiot? They never answer difficult questions, they have no idea of the truth and they quote the same specious rubbish constantly. Even pigs have more variety in their speech and are more critical of what they see and hear.

Posted by: Zathras at June 26, 2006 10:24 AM

Okay Zathras... I won't say any more.

Posted by: A_Plague_on_Both_Houses at June 26, 2006 10:27 AM

I'm getting to the point where I'm actually thankful that some of my ancestors had a capacity for violent retaliation.

Posted by: Foehammer at June 26, 2006 10:47 AM

Need not say anything, do I ? :)

Posted by: arjun.sevak at June 26, 2006 10:48 AM

'No chance IDF op can rescue soldier'

http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?c=JPArticle&cid=1150885848088&pagename=JPost%2FJPArticle%2FShowFull

Posted by: arjun.sevak at June 26, 2006 11:06 AM

arjun...something even more scary from the same site:http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?cid=1150885848200&pagename=JPost%2FJPArticle%2FShowFull

Palestinians with chemical/biological weapons?
That is really terrifying after the greenhouse debacle. I wonder how many gaza arabs will die and will be blamed by paliwood on the Israelis.

old IDF joke: how to identify bomb factories = by the large crater.

Posted by: Zathras at June 26, 2006 11:26 AM

Zathras,
This could be IT. If these zombies start messing with this stuff, bang goes palestine. Israel will claim all territory back. (If they don't manage to have a spillage at the factory itself. Sometimes I think that iran will blow itself up, these guys should not be allowed to read about this stuff.)

Posted by: arjun.sevak at June 26, 2006 11:34 AM

Personally if I were in charge I would drop some Israeli commandos onto the house of a leading Hamas figure and take him and his family into custody as a fair swap.

If they kill the soldier then it become very interesting for the Hamas figure as being part of their machinery he is as guilty as the killers.

Only way to deal with the swine as they are NOT interested in co-existence.

Posted by: Zathras at June 26, 2006 12:28 PM

Foehammer,
What a fascinating thought, an Irish American with a shillelagh in one hand a bottle of Irish whiskey in the other, what a secret weapon, the perfect unguided missile that hits anything it want to hit, using a mixture of fuzzy logic and chaos theory. Remember the Duke of Wellington, who was also Irish, said about them. I don't know what they do to the enemy, but they certainly frighten me. What worries me is the loss of all that great Literature that the Irish have given the world Swift, Shaw, Wilde and Yeats and many more.

arjun.sevak
The real problem is if the followers of the Religion of Peace use gas against Israel. They went virtually ape shit in the first Gulf war when they suspected that Sod him he is Insane was priming his scud rockets, with gas. It might just push there patience too far.

Posted by: Holger Dansker at June 26, 2006 12:53 PM

"I think that Olmert's such 'broad' offensive is in some way linked to the butchering of the two soldiers this week only. Still he started late, the council debated for too long."

I agree 100%. I think the killing of the two Americans last week is definitely contributing to the sense of urgency on the Israeli side. We know all too well how these murderous thugs have been treating our prisoners lately!

Posted by: McSeamus at June 26, 2006 1:14 PM

Americaningermany; all my friends grew up idolising Scarface, and the Montana way. i on the other hand found Usual Suspects to be a much better film. i was always perplexed at the fact that they would look up 2 charactor who died and in affect lost.

Posted by: salahudin at June 26, 2006 1:21 PM

Now that is one sensible comment: The Usual Suspects is one excellent movie.

Now go and read a true history of Israel as it appears that you are indeed capable of independent thought. Escape the invisible barriers of islam and look outside towards intellectual freedom. That is, if you have the courage to do so and to raise your head above the mindless bleating every 4 hours.

Posted by: Zathras at June 26, 2006 1:35 PM

Isn't it nice to be a Muslim in a western country? Western movies are generally banned in Muslim countries.

Posted by: exsgtbrown at June 26, 2006 2:35 PM

Teddy is Irish-whiskey American

Posted by: exsgtbrown at June 26, 2006 3:13 PM

CRUSADER18 Says,
I have just created a multimedia presentation that I think you may want to see. (Before YouTube Bans It)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wFXD_GUY6y8
Please feel free to link to it. All comments welcome and feel free to rate it as you see fit.
Thank you,
Crusader

Posted by: WIDEAWAKE at June 26, 2006 3:22 PM

Salahudin,
Thanks for posting because such rantings give opportunities to post links like this one
http://www.seconddraft.org/movies.php
to help show people why you are so misinformed and play the victim card so easily and it seems, believe it hook, line and sinker. That makes perfect sense given the fact islam is the religion of submission, no questions allowed except the clarifying what's allowed/not allowed in the inane minutia of daily life on sites like Ask the Imam.
Oh, yeah, can't forget that Death to Infidels!
/sarcasm

Posted by: No_Mooselimbs at June 26, 2006 3:36 PM

Israel, if they retake the Gaza, should simply move as many paly's out or towards the border with Egypt. Same goes for the 'West Bank.' Herd the peaceful palis toward Jordan. Is this racist? Or is it better to simply go on like this forever with the daily rockets, suicide bombers, fake Oslo 'Peace process.' What would happen? The world would go on. Muslims would still hate Jews and the US. The Religious Policeman's Muslim offence meter would go bright red, but perhaps this is the way to deal with the Arabs.

Posted by: biorabbi at June 26, 2006 5:25 PM

i listened to that recording and i have to say if that was me, the argument would not have been one sided, first the loudness and agressive nature of the host would not have subdued me, and for every crime he stated i would have thrown 2 back at him. for instance the 3 girls callously beheaded on their way to school, in malaysia or one of them places. well 6 years before chrstians invaded a bording school killing 100 innocent muslim children, and what do you think mR rightous would have said about that. Indeed that conflict which has been going on for years, although peace was made after the massacre of the 100 children, there must have been many fathers, uncles, brothers ect driven to hate fuelled revenge and in doing so failed by commiting evil themselves. the killers of the 3 girls were only around 12 when the massacre of the 100 school children took place, they spent 6 years contemplating revenge and the fact that their sisters received no justice, and once they were strong enough they unfortunatly did a wrong. and i could go on, but im being bored to death by Switzerland and Ukraine

Posted by: salahudin at June 26, 2006 5:37 PM

To those in the UK, theres a programme on BBC 2 about the Vietnam war, napalm burning childrens skins, Americans being brainwashed into believing their the greatest nation and invincible, Americans blindly following their governments. u would think the Americanist Extremist would have learnt from that carnage.

OHHH Yeah they did, they now moderate what the media can show and use them as a propoganda tool, concentrating solely on the deaths caused by the terrorist and freedom fighters.

Posted by: salahudin at June 26, 2006 6:46 PM

LOL. Salahudin, you and I should do a radio interview, with you live in the studio with me. It would do wonders to quell the egos of Muslims everywhere.

Posted by: Foehammer at June 26, 2006 7:02 PM

Israel should gaza and turns it into a non-man's land.

Posted by: Texican at June 26, 2006 8:01 PM

Bullet or a bus trip.

Free transport to the majority Arab/mohammedan nation of their choice or a free burial on Jewish land.

It is far past time for the Israelis to move into Gaza, Samaria, and Judea and clear out the Arabs who are illegally squatting on Jewish land. Land that the Jewish people legally purchased from the very group that stole it from them in the first place.

If Israel does not assert its rights over its own land, and rather gives it away as gifts to ingrates who have no historical claim to it themselves, this lunacy will continue. If some guy is in my back yard and refuses to leave, I don't call my neighbor and ask him permission to do something about it. I kick the guy's ass and throw him over the fence.
Unless he forces me to take more extreme measures.

Posted by: Eisenhund at June 26, 2006 9:05 PM

Saluhadin
have you seen this before??

Palestinians are garden variety muslims,,created from a lie.
The source of this article is not from an Israeli website. I don't have it anymore, but Joseph Farah has written a similar piece.

"Pallys" are good at reinventing history, and very good at making the lives of its people unbearable.
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MYTH:
"The land of Israel is really the land of Palestine."

FACT:
The term "Palestine" is believed to be derived from the Philistines, an Aegean people who, in the 12th Century BC, settled along the Mediterranean coastal plain of what is now Israel and the Gaza Strip. In the second century AD, after crushing the last Jewish revolt, the Romans first applied the name Palaestina to Judea (the southern portion of what is now called the West Bank) in an attempt to minimize Jewish identification with the land of Israel. The Arabic word Filastin is derived from Latin. There is no language known as Palestinian. There is no distinct Palestinian culture. There has never been a land known as Palestine governed by Palestinians. Palestinians are Arabs, indistinguishable from Jordanians (another recent invention), Syrians, Lebanese, Iraqis, etc.

MYTH:
"The Jews have no historic claim to Israel."

FACT:
Only one group of people have continuously lived in Israel for the past 3,700 years - the Jews. Jerusalem, in particular, has had a Jewish majority since the 1840s, 40 years prior to the beginnings of Zionism. Seventy-five percent of the land in east Jerusalem, which the press calls "historically Arab east Jerusalem," has been owned by Jews since 1947. The nations that inhabited the land prior to the Jews are no longer in existence, for they have been absorbed into various other peoples throughout the millennia. The Arabs of Israel only came to the land in 632 with the Muslim invasion.

MYTH:
"The creation of the state of Israel in 1948 changed political and border arrangements between independent states that had existed for centuries."

FACT:
The boundaries of most Middle East countries were arbitrarily fixed by the Western powers after Turkey was defeated in World War I and the French and British mandates were set up. The areas allotted to Israel under the UN Partition Plan had all been under the control of the Ottomans, who had ruled Palestine from 1517 until 1917. When Turkey was defeated in World War I, the French took over the area now known as Lebanon and Syria. The British assumed control of Palestine and Iraq. In 1926, the borders were redrawn and Lebanon was separated from Syria. Britain installed the Emir Faisal, who had been deposed by the French in Syria, as ruler of the new kingdom of Iraq. In 1922, the British created the emirate of Transjordan, which incorporated all of Palestine east of the Jordan River. This was done so that the Emir Abdullah, whose family had been defeated in tribal warfare in the Arabian peninsula, would have a kingdom to rule. None of the countries that border Israel became independent until this century. Many other Arab nations became independent after Israel.

MYTH:
"Israel violates the human rights of the Palestinian Arabs."

FACT:
The facts are different. Israel granted full citizenship to all of the Palestinian Arabs who fell within its borders after the War of Independence. Arabic is an official language in Israel. Israel remains to this day one of the few countries in the Middle East where Arabs can legitimately vote--and it is the only one where women can vote.

MYTH:
"The West Bank is part of Jordan."

FACT:
The West Bank was never legally part of Jordan. Under the UN's 1947 Partition Plan--which the Jews accepted and the Arabs rejected--it was to have been part of an independent Arab state in western Palestine. But the Jordanian army invaded and occupied it during the 1948 war. In 1950, Jordan annexed the West Bank. Only two governments--Great Britain and Pakistan--formally recognized the Jordanian takeover. The rest of the world, including the United States, never did. During the 1950-1967 period of its occupation, Jordan permitted terrorists to launch raids into Israel. Amman lost the West Bank after the Jordanian army entered the 1967 war.

MYTH:
"Jerusalem is Islam's third most holy city."

FACT:
Muslims try to connect Jerusalem to Islam by using a vague passage in the Koran, the seventeenth Sura, entitled "The Night Journey." It relates that in a dream or a vision, Mohammed was carried by night "from the sacred temple to the temple that is most remote, whose precinct we have blessed, that we might show him our signs. ..." In the seventh century, some Muslims identified the two temples mentioned in this verse as being in Mecca and Jerusalem. And that's as close as Islam's connection with Jerusalem gets--myth, fantasy, wishful thinking. Meanwhile, Jews can trace their roots in Jerusalem back to the days of Abraham.

MYTH:
"The Temple Mount has always been a Muslim holy place and Judaism has no connection to the site."

FACT:
The area of Solomon's Stables is believed to date as far back as the construction of Solomon's Temple. According to Josephus, it was in existence and was used as a place of refuge by the Jews at the time of the conquest of Jerusalem by Titus in the year 70 A.D. More authoritatively, the Koran--the holy book of Islam--describes Solomon's construction of the First Temple (34:13) and recounts the destruction of the First and Second Temples (17:7). The Jewish connection to the Temple Mount dates back more than 3,000 years and is rooted in tradition and history. When Abraham bound his son, Isaac, upon an altar as a sacrifice to God, he did so atop Mount Moriah, today's Temple Mount.

MYTH:
"Under Israeli rule, religious freedom has been curbed in Jerusalem."

FACT:
After the 1967 war, Israel abolished all the discriminatory laws promulgated by Jordan and adopted its own tough standard for safeguarding access to religious shrines. "Whoever does anything that is likely to violate the freedom of access of the members of the various religions to the places sacred to them," Israeli law stipulates, "is liable to imprisonment for a term of five years." Israel also entrusted administration of the holy places to their respective religious authorities. Thus, for example, the Muslim Waqf has responsibility for the mosques on the Temple Mount.

MYTH:
"The Arab states have had to keep pace with an Israeli-led arms race."

FACT:
In most cases, the reverse has been true. Egypt received the Soviet IL-28 bomber in 1955. It was not until 1958 that France provided Israel with a squadron of comparable Sud Vautour twin-jet, tactical bombers. In 1957, Egypt obtained MiG-17 fighter planes. Israel received the comparable Super Mystere in 1959. Egypt had submarines in 1957, Israel in 1959. After the Egyptians obtained the MiG-21, the Israelis ordered the Dassault Mirage III supersonic interceptor and fighter-bomber. Egypt received ground-to-air missiles--the SA-2--two years before Israel obtained HAWK missiles from the United States. Later, Washington reluctantly agreed to sell Israel Patton tanks.

MYTH:
"Israel's destruction of Iraqi nuclear facilities was an unjust act."

FACT:
Back in June 1981, after the Israelis bombed the plant at Osirak, the UN Security Council unanimously condemned Israel. Washington ostentatiously held up its delivery of armaments to Israel. A decade later, however, the strike looks awfully good. Had Saddam Hussein been armed with nuclear weapons during the war with Iran, much of Tehran would now be obliterated and large sections of Iran annexed to Iraq. More: Iraqi forces might have rolled straight from Kuwait into Saudi Arabia, long before American forces could have arrived. Today, Saddam could already control five oil-rich countries and thereby over half of the world's oil reserves. Economic disaster would be one result; and American troops would have no good place to land.

MYTH:
"Israel has been an expansionist state since its creation."

FACT:
Israel's boundaries were determined by the United Nations when it adopted the partition resolution in 1947. In a series of defensive wars, Israel captured additional territory. On numerous occasions, Israel has withdrawn from these areas. As part of the 1974 disengagement agreement, Israel returned territories captured in the 1967 and 1973 wars to Syria. Under the terms of the 1979, Israeli-Egyptian peace treaty, Israel withdrew from the Sinai peninsula for the third time. It had already withdrawn from large parts of the desert area it captured in its War of Independence. After capturing the entire Sinai in the 1956 Suez conflict, Israel relinquished the peninsula to Egypt a year later. In September 1983, Israel withdrew from large areas of Lebanon to positions south of the Awali River. In 1985, it completed its withdrawal from Lebanon, except for a narrow security zone just north of the Israeli border. That too was abandoned, unilaterally, in 2000. After signing peace agreements with the Palestinians and a treaty with Jordan, Israel agreed to withdraw from most of the territory in the West Bank captured from Jordan in 1967. A small area was returned to Jordan and the rest was ceded to the Palestinian Authority. The agreement with the Palestinians also involved Israel's withdrawal, in 1994, from most of the Gaza Strip, which had been captured from Egypt in 1973.

MYTH:
"Israel is the aggressor in the current conflict."

FACTS:
One: The Palestinians are the aggressors; they started the conflict, and they purposely drive it forward with fresh killing on an almost-daily basis.
Two: The Palestinians regard this second intifada not as a sporadically violent protest movement, but as a war, with the clear strategic aim of forcing a scared and emotionally exhausted Israel to surrender on terms that would threaten Israel's viability.

Three: As a tactic in this strategy, the Palestinians will not fight Israeli forces directly but instead have concentrated their efforts on murdering Israeli civilians. The greater the number, the more pathetically vulnerable the victims--disco-goers, women and children in a pizza restaurant--the better.

Four: Israel has acted defensively in this conflict; and while Israeli forces accidentally killed Palestinian civilians, their planned lethal attacks have all been aimed only at Palestinian military and terror-group leaders.

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Posted by: Gramfan at June 26, 2006 9:10 PM

Gramfan:

Well, I for one like to collect such snippets for later use, so thanks.

Posted by: Foehammer at June 26, 2006 10:21 PM

Shlabaddin, Saladbowl, 1a789, Shirk:

FACTS are facts, as you can see above.

Not what Mohammedans are cooking, that is called camel-dung....

Thanks for posting the above Gramfan, much appreciated!

For the troll its of course nothing more than throwing pearls to the swine... they make up history as it suits the 'cause' of Jizzzzzlam...

Posted by: sheik yer'mami at June 26, 2006 11:28 PM

Gramfan,
I second the thanks from sheik yer'mami! Although I've seen it before, I foolishly did not copy it. There is so much information from posters like yourself as well as Robert, Hugh, et all in a complex issue that curls back on itself with lies upon lies, that it takes diligence to sort it all out so you don't end up sounding like a raving bigot while trying to shake some sense into uninformed and unbelieving friends.
I salute your diligence!

Posted by: No_Mooselimbs at June 27, 2006 12:20 AM

Does anyone have an updating news link for Israel.

Posted by: Texican at June 27, 2006 12:43 AM

Neville Olmert is a cowardly concessionist. This is all the result of policies of capitulation to the wretched terrorist vermin.

Posted by: Madzionist at June 27, 2006 1:07 AM

Salahudin

One characteristic of western civilisation today is that we have freedom of speech to criticise our own behaviour. We have vigorous debate about it. We have democracy to vote for change if we don't agree with the way our leaders handle conflict.

This website is about ALSO providing some criticism of islam, as there is already plenty of criticism of the west by the west out there (which you're no doubt using).

The islamic world needs some vigorous self-criticism. But it's not allowed in most islamic countries, is it? Try publicly criticising muslim atrocities, sharia law or the man who started your religion in Saudi Arabia, but write your will first...

Posted by: Lili at June 27, 2006 1:09 AM

"Free transport to the majority Arab/mohammedan nation of their choice or a free burial on Jewish land."

Eisenhund

I think this might be more practical. Unless we want to create lots of jobs for diggers.

Posted by: arjun.sevak at June 27, 2006 2:41 AM

"Free transport to the majority Arab/mohammedan nation of their choice or a free burial on Jewish land."

Eisenhund

I think this might be more practical. Unless we want to create lots of jobs for diggers.

http://www.incineratorspecialists.com/humancrematories.htm

Posted by: arjun.sevak at June 27, 2006 2:42 AM

Guys, glad you liked this piece. I, too, had kept it for future use!

Funny, Saladin hasn't responded,,,wonder why?

Posted by: Gramfan at June 27, 2006 10:47 AM

-arjun.sevak,

Your suggestion might be more efficient than burial, however this method was a favorite of a government 60 years ago known for its efficiency. Israel would open itself to too much inaccurate yet loud historical paralleling and tu quoque mud slinging.

You're a smart guy, I think you can figure out the regime to which Israel would be unfairly and ironically compared. Even now, the mohammedans and Arabs do it.

I wrote my post the way I did because sometimes one needs to write something in an ugly way to get attention for an issue, after that, less radical methods can be figured out. I don't really think that the people who could be shepherded to the "bus stops" would put up any kind of resistance that would require lethal measures. To the die-hards that would resist and stay in place, no mercy. Once the ostensibly civilian populace is moved out, classify the resisters as "militants", "terrorists", whatever, and take military action against them. I honestly don't care what happens to the bodies of the latter. As far as I'm concerned, they're terrorists. Every army in history has gotten rid of battlefield remains in a non-individualized manner for "hygenic" reasons.

I don't advocate machinegunning people putting up a fuss. If you do take a firm stand though, people tend to sort themselves into distinct groups. A certain percentage will not like it, but are basically sheep and will go along. Others won't. Mohammedans particularily are quick to pick up a gun. They sort themselves into another group to which massive firepower may be brought to bear.

In any case, the world's public at large needs to realize that the Arabs and mohammedans have their own agenda for the region and will say anything they think they need to to further it. Even make up history. People need to realize that what the Arabs/mos call "history" is a construct designed to contribute to bringing about a political/historical end. The world needs to be educated concerning the real history of the region, and call the "palestinian" Arabs what they are.
Descendants of arab immigrants who moved from east of the Jordan river in the latter part of the early 20th cent. and illegal squatters on traditionally and historically Jewish land stolen by mohammedan invaders. Hell, you can call them guests of Israel who have worn out their welcome if you want.

They've become the smelly fish in Ben Franklin's famous quip.

Posted by: Eisenhund at June 27, 2006 5:59 PM

some time its easy to forget the oppression of those who receive no media attention at all, once again on behalf of the Chechens, kashmiries and entire muslim world i thank you Posted by: salahudin

Posted by: Infidel Pride at June 28, 2006 2:56 AM

Eisunhund,
Yes, you are right, I think of them as "battlefield remains". Since I am human, I don't walk on graves, and thinking how much graves that "remains" would require, I thought incineration.

You mention "the efficient regime 60 years back". I read 'The Odessa File' by Frederick Forsyth some 10 years back, and still can't come to terms with some of the things that he wrote. It was fiction, but mostly based on facts. He mentioned that the silver fillings of teeth were extracted before the gas chambers, and the fat from the dead bodies was used to make soap, and the bones were powdered for use in the talc and other calcium requisite industries. Eisunhund, I still can't believe it.

Posted by: arjun.sevak at June 28, 2006 8:33 AM

-arjun.sevak,

I don't know, but maybe you haven't seen the pictures of the piles of eyeglasses, buckets of extracted teeth, and lampshades made of human skin with particularily nice tattoos on them.

Believe it. I'm not sure, but I think it was all used as evidence at Nuremburg.

Posted by: Eisenhund at June 28, 2006 1:16 PM