Happy 230th Birthday USA!!!! Forever and I hope and pray, forever free!!!!

Posted by: bigcatgirl13106 at July 4, 2006 8:21 AM

Robert,

Thank-you for your outstanding comments and reflection. We who are non-Muslims, freedom loving, and for those who are American today, celibrating July 4th, we must always stand guard. God Bless you, your dear ones, and all who post here, a Happy July 4th.

Posted by: bigcatgirl13106 at July 4, 2006 8:23 AM

To my Amercian friends, happy 4th July.

Posted by: Daffersd at July 4, 2006 8:26 AM

>>To my Amercian friends, happy 4th July.

Posted by: Daffersd

I second that!

Also, Robert, thanks for that. It pretty much explains everything except how come Zarqawi was so revered for killing muslims?
(Ok,,it's sunni's versus shia's so that's that!)

OT but can someone help me?

I think I started posting around the time of the cartoon fiasco. Is it my imagination or are we getting more and more newer members? I think I am seeing lots of new names each day.
If that is the case it is a GOOD thing!
The message is getting out there.

Let's make sure there are many,many more Independence Days to celebrate,,even for us non-US citizens.

Posted by: Gramfan at July 4, 2006 8:38 AM

Happy fourth of July y'all. This is the only holiday that I actually celebrate and I am misty eyed as usual with joy because I live in the greatest country in the world. I've trailed quite a bit of this country including Alaska and everywhere I've gone I've met other Americans who fiercely love this country like I do. Those of us who love our country understand how lucky we are to live in the land of the free.

Thank you Robert for this article you picked a perfect day for it. Islam=slavery USA=freedom.

Posted by: fireangel at July 4, 2006 9:07 AM

To all Americans whom cherish freedom happy 4th of July to all. I am proud to be an American. I pray that are legal system never recognizes sharia law here. Any free nation that does, brings doom to themselves. Are constitution was written for America, and her peoples. I just wish all people here wanted to live as Americans. Anyway, God bless America! May She reign forever.

Posted by: AMartinez at July 4, 2006 9:34 AM

As always, you remind us of the cynical, possessive, vengeful behavior commanded by this man made outrage they call "religion".

By now, all of those 'martyrs' who exploded themselves to death have discovered what fools they are and that God alone, not some fanatic nutcakes, will prevail.

Posted by: n.a. palm at July 4, 2006 9:34 AM

Bless the soldiers, sailors, and airmen who are now guarding the ramparts as we celebrate our freedom. Bless our many friends overseas who have stood by us through thick and thin. Happy 4th to all.

Posted by: Stendec at July 4, 2006 9:40 AM

Also pray for our troops in harms way. And if you don't have a American flag please get one. Most hardware stores, marine supply, and even Lowes carry's them. lol Just make sure its made here.

Posted by: AMartinez at July 4, 2006 9:42 AM

Gramfan wrote:
Is it my imagination or are we getting more and more newer members? I think I am seeing lots of new names each day. If that is the case it is a GOOD thing!
The message is getting out there.

Yes, I'm new - I'm glad to see that people are paying attention to what is happening before our eyes in Europe and - gasp - right across our border in Canada.

Although I have faith in America's ability to not let subservience spread in the name of political correctness, it's important to us to open our eyes before it's too late.

Yes, Gramfan, the message is getting out. I'm a former PC person, but I've woken up and seen the devestating results of its absurdity.

Posted by: LonestarM at July 4, 2006 10:33 AM

I can only add the words of Thomas Paine:

http://www.foehammer.net/2006/07/4th-of-july-call-to-arms.html

Posted by: Foehammer at July 4, 2006 10:40 AM

Happy, SAFE 4th to Everyone!

And hopefully Many more to come.

Posted by: Gary at July 4, 2006 11:04 AM

To All Who Post Here :

Let us remember those 56 men who put their lives on the line 230 years ago in order to birth this great country. Here is a reflection of this risk for freedom :

http://www.rosecity.net/rush/freedom.html

This was writen by the father of a famous radio talk show host.

A wonderful July 4th.

Posted by: bigcatgirl13106 at July 4, 2006 11:11 AM

Happy Independence Day.
You "islamic thinkers" didn't do a thing to our flag, you just burned cloth. Our flag still waves over the USA and always will. We will prevail, many more are becoming aware of your foul intentions.

Posted by: Carolyn2 at July 4, 2006 11:38 AM

Wish All My American Friends A Very Happy Independence Day.

Posted by: arjun.sevak at July 4, 2006 11:43 AM

Enlightened Western Civilization, as embodied by this Great Nation, the United States of America, will triumph. islam and all its sons of Hell shall not prevail against it.

Happy Independence Day, and may Freedom reign!

Posted by: CGW at July 4, 2006 11:45 AM

To all my fellow Americans...

Happy Fourth of July!

Posted by: deesine at July 4, 2006 11:57 AM

To all our brave men and women in uniform, far from home on this special holiday,

Thank you!

THESE are the times that try men's souls. The summer soldier and the sunshine patriot will, in this crisis, shrink from the service of their country; but he that stands by it now, deserves the love and thanks of man and woman. Tyranny, like hell, is not easily conquered; yet we have this consolation with us, that the harder the conflict, the more glorious the triumph. What we obtain too cheap, we esteem too lightly: it is dearness only that gives every thing its value. Heaven knows how to put a proper price upon its goods; and it would be strange indeed if so celestial an article as FREEDOM should not be highly rated.

Posted by: treehugger at July 4, 2006 12:01 PM

I posted this last year, but I still think it is relevant:

Thank you for pointing out a few of the major differences between us and them. The fight against tyranny is never ending and each generation has their own particular challenges in this eternal battle. The Fourth of July should be an example to all freedom loving people everywhere. Patrick Henry told it like it is 230 years ago…

It is in vain, sir, to extenuate the matter. Gentlemen may cry, Peace, Peace — but there is no peace. The war is actually begun! The next gale that sweeps from the north will bring to our ears the clash of resounding arms! Our brethren are already in the field! Why stand we here idle? What is it that gentlemen wish? What would they have? Is life so dear, or peace so sweet, as to be purchased at the price of chains and slavery? Forbid it, Almighty God! I know not what course others may take; but as for me, give me liberty or give me death!
http://www.ushistory.org/documents/libertydeath.htm

Those words are even more telling now than perhaps ever before. Happy birthday America and all Americans. Fight for our future and 230 years from now they may be talking and writing about us as well.

Posted by: tgusa at July 4, 2006 12:02 PM

God Bless our service men and women who are far away from home, and in a special way, in harm's way. God Bless them and their dear ones on July 4th.

Posted by: bigcatgirl13106 at July 4, 2006 12:12 PM

Happy 4th of July to one and all! But especially to all U.S. service Men and Women who might be reading: I humbly and gratefully salute you, and say a big THANK YOU! (To all former PC persons new at this site I say: Welcome!)

Foehammer your link is great and all should read it -- at the darkest hour before the dawn Thos. Paine wrote "The American Crisis" and distributed it among the armed forces, such as they were. In it he echoed the old addage:

"What we obtain too cheap, we esteem too lightly: it is dearness only that gives every thing its value."

The incomparable Treasures of the West: Our Art - Our Laws - Our Civility - Our Music - Our Architecture - Our Science - Our Religion - Our Secularism - and perhaps most importantly Our Intellectual Real Estate, things which We alone have created -- all of it has been lavished on savages as if these things had little or no value -- they have been given away like cheap coupons, or discounts at a firesale ...

Last week the U.S. Supreme Court frivolously extended the rights guaranteed under the Constitution upon our worst enemies -- an action done so trivially, but depicted as if it was a noble thing -- as if it was the Right or Just thing to do.

Why would these enbittered savages have any respect for our society, for our laws, for our beliefs when we value our citizenship and privileges so cheaply? We are told that we are Great, and therefore should be generous -- but when we bestow our greatest treasures in this manner, don't we esteem those things that made us Great too lightly? Don't we rob ourselves?

When citizenship is proffered in the West to non-Westerners in such a manner, it's a grave insult to our legacy, and a great debasement of ourselves. When our rights and privileges are tossed carelessly before those who have done little or nothing to earn those rights aside from buying a ticket and boarding a plane, or worse, when those who have broken our laws are rewarded with citizenship just because they're here and not somewhere else, and thereby provided with every benefit secured by the sacrifices of our deceased brave ancestors, or WORST OF ALL, when those rights are laid on the ground before the feet of those who come here with the intention of trampling those rights and who strive to impose their barbaric will upon us, it MUST BE STOPPED.

This 4th of July we celebrate America's 230th Birthday, and I do it with great joy. But more than ever I know we must learn to esteem our freedoms and rights more than some of us have done. Our other friends in the West may want to consider something similar. Whether you're religious or not, we in the West are the inheritors of a sacred legacy -- consecrated by the blood of our ancestors good and great. Some day I hope you all have the privilege of visiting the Lincoln Memorial in Washington D.C. There inscribed on the wall is a secular prayer for America which sums up the American Project in my mind -- it's Lincoln's immortal speech, the "Gettysburg Adress":

http://www.classicallibrary.org/lincoln/gettysburg.htm

Posted by: jsla at July 4, 2006 12:16 PM

Folks,

I am a fan of Ben Franklin. There is a saying that he said, about having a republic if you want to keep it. Need help finding his sayings. Thank-you.

Posted by: bigcatgirl13106 at July 4, 2006 12:31 PM

bigcatgirl13106,

Here's the Franklin quote.

Posted by: deesine at July 4, 2006 12:35 PM

Know why we are American. To do so will give rise to rejection of all things that stand against the great ideas inside the Constitution and the Bill of Rights.

As Islam is against these things, it should be the outlaw here. Not legal, period. If you follow Islam, follow it back to where it came, and take it all with you. And this day is comming.

The only way, for anything else is to reject the founding of this great country and way of life, and would lead to it's death.

Hope for all to open their eyes and see, allow islam and we will give up being free.

Posted by: Islofob IS-1 at July 4, 2006 12:41 PM

Happy 4th July.

Posted by: Yojimbo at July 4, 2006 12:43 PM

bigcatgirl13106,
Here is a link with lots of good BF quotes. But they seem to be having trouble with their server today. Its usually reliable.
http://www.ushistory.org/franklin/quotable/index.htm

Posted by: tgusa at July 4, 2006 12:46 PM

According to Wikipedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Universal_Declaration_of_Human_Rights):

"The proclamation was ratified during the General Assembly on December 10, 1948 by a vote of 48-0, with 8 abstentions (The entire Soviet Bloc, South Africa and Saudi Arabia)."

Most of what's in the declaration is contrary to and hence anethma to Islam.

Posted by: BunrattyBill at July 4, 2006 12:55 PM

Wow, Robert, up and about and intelligent at 7:30 on the 4th of July! Lazy bums like me wish you many more 4ths like this one!

fireangel: Ditto! (it's such a convenient word when out of meaningful words and almost choking)

bigcatgirl13106: From my own furry ones (having a siesta, bellies full and twitching whiskers) to you: Happy 4th!

Foehammer, deesine, jsla, treehugger, Carolyne2, Gary, Gramfan, Stendec, AMartinez (sorry if I forget anyone):
Thanks for all your knowledge and wisdom. Enjoy the fireworks!

arjun.sevak: Keep coming here, and bring in like-minded friends. You're making a difference. God bless India and her people.

Posted by: ovidius_naso at July 4, 2006 1:15 PM

A fine 4th of July -and a strong 1st and 2nd amendments- to all.

To my brothers and sisters in arms, serving around the world, my heartfelt thanks for being the unbending spine of this "last, best hope" for human freedom, and for guaranteeing our liberties with your devotion, intelligence, unflinching humor, and unmatchable strength.

In the words of one who was there at the founding:

"I know not what course others may take, but as for me, give me liberty or give me death."

Posted by: profitsbeard at July 4, 2006 1:24 PM

Let us also not forget that since the time of the Founding Fathers, American culture has developed dangerous deformities: Millions of American (and European) Leftists would sneer at the Declaration of Independence and its ideals (most of them doing so while at the same time continuing to enjoy the life, liberty and pursuit of happiness America makes possible for them) thusly:

We hold these truths to be self-evident

"truths"? hah! there's no truth, only the greed of dead white men raping their black slaves and committing genocide against Native Americans, etc.

that all men are created equal

"equal"? hah! There wasn't equality back then (we had black slaves by the way) and there hasn't been all through American history, filled with evil racism and discrimination against women and gays, etc.

that they are endowed by their Creator

Fundie alert! This nation was founded by Christians! Horrors! Sound the alarms! Man your bastions! I see Creationists and anti-Abortion activists! We all know that Christians with power are the most dangerous in the world. (What about Muslims, you say? Most Muslims are nice people, what do you know? You're a racist Islamophobe following a Christian Fundie Chimp President who is trying to conquer the world for Globalist Imperialism!)

with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.

Yeah, right: you mean constructing an evil Capitalist system that is sucking the blood of poor people around the world and waging imperialist wars in order to maintain its power.

Posted by: Television at July 4, 2006 2:38 PM

Happy 4th of July to America!
Thanks from England

Posted by: EnglishBlondie at July 4, 2006 3:35 PM

It is in vain, sir, to extenuate the matter. Gentlemen may cry, Peace, Peace-- but there is no peace. The war is actually begun! The next gale that sweeps from the north will bring to our ears the clash of resounding arms! Our brethren are already in the field! Why stand we here idle? What is it that gentlemen wish? What would they have? Is life so dear, or peace so sweet, as to be purchased at the price of chains and slavery? Forbid it, Almighty God! I know not what course others may take; but as for me, give me liberty or give me death!
Patrick Henry, patriot

Posted by: Carolyn2 at July 4, 2006 3:52 PM

A good flag to fly today in addition to the US flag,
http://www.flagline.com/id01140120
And
http://www.united-states-flag.com/gadsden.html

Posted by: Carolyn2 at July 4, 2006 4:04 PM

Thanks, tgusa.

Posted by: bigcatgirl13106 at July 4, 2006 5:31 PM

The amazing thing about the first two quotes above is that not only was the hideous one urging execution for fornication and sacrilige and a different standard of "justice" for Muslims and non-Muslims written *almost two hundred years* after the first quote, but was written as rebuttal to the Universal Declaration of Human Rights!

Kudos to Robert for not just reminding us what we are fighting against, but also what we are fighting for.

I was not raised to love the United States, or indeed the West. Although I am American born, my mother is English and *hated* the West (not a comment on Brits in general, this--just my mother). I was constantly told how unjust the US was, and how plucky the USSR and China were to stand up against the West (and this was during Mao's murderous Cultural Revolution). When I was a very small child, I often echoed this view.

I soon began to notice, though, just from watching the news and reading the paper, that life was much better and freer in the West, in almost every way--economics, human rights, freedom of speech. Even where there was injustice--with institutionalized racism, say--there was possiblity of redress, something entirely lacking in unfree nations.

I use the term West here broadly--nations such as Austrailia, Japan and Taiwan are hardly geographically western, yet have adopted many western laws. Nations that adopt more western mores quickly become much better places to live--Taiwan and South Korea, while always much better than their communist counterparts, went from authoritarian, borderline third-world nations thirty years ago to first world democracies today. Even coountries which only partially institute Western laws are much improved, such as constitutional monarchy Thailand.

Often Westerners seem almost embarrassed to extoll Western virtues--the rule of law, secured property rights, freedom of speech--or even worse, quick to attack them. When we can stand up proudly for our principles we will have a much better chance against horrors like Islamofascism.

Posted by: gravenimage at July 4, 2006 6:31 PM

>>>Yes, Gramfan, the message is getting out. I'm a former PC person, but I've woken up and seen the devestating results of its absurdity.

Posted by: LonestarM

Thanks for answering LonestarM, and good for you re posting here.

Again, to all, have a wonderful Independence Day!

If I may be so bold, I see the US as "my second home". I have been there 8 times.I was in Arizona on 9/11. I was afraid I would never get back to my family downunder. (Thankfully I did!)

My spouse is there as I type, celebrating with you all.

Posted by: Gramfan at July 4, 2006 6:34 PM

I pledge allegiance to the Flag
of the United States of America,
and to the Republic
for which it stands:
one Nation
under God.
Indivisible,
With Liberty
and Justice
for all.

I, (State your name), do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; and that I will obey the orders of the President of the United States and the orders of the officers appointed over me, according to regulations and the Uniform Code of Military Justice. So help me God.

Posted by: Bohemond_1069 at July 4, 2006 6:56 PM

Happy Birthday America

I am an American, fighting in the forces which guard my country and our way of life. I am prepared to give my life in their defense.
II
I will never surrender of my own free will. If in command, I will never surrender the members of my command while they still have the means to resist.
III
If I am captured I will continue to resist by all means available. I will make every effort to escape and to aid others to escape. I will accept neither parole nor special favors from the enemy.
IV
If I become a prisoner of war, I will keep faith with my fellow prisoners. I will give no information or take part in any action which might be harmful to my comrades. If I am senior, I will take command. If not, I will obey the lawful orders of those appointed over me and will back them up in every way.
V
When questioned, should I become a prisoner of war, I am required to give name, rank, service number, and date of birth. I will evade answering further questions to the utmost of my ability. I will make no oral or written statements disloyal to my country and its allies or harmful to their cause.
VI
I will never forget that I am an American, fighting for freedom, responsible for my actions, and dedicated to the principles which made my country free.
I will trust in my God and in the United States of America.

Posted by: Bohemond_1069 at July 4, 2006 7:12 PM

God Bless the USA, 230 years young.

http://www.brownielocks.com/godblesstheusaWAVE.html

Posted by: bigcatgirl13106 at July 4, 2006 7:35 PM

Enlightened Western Civilization, as embodied by this Great Nation, the United States of America, will triumph. islam and all its sons of Hell shall not prevail against it.

Happy Independence Day, and may Freedom reign!

Posted by: CGW at July 4, 2006 11:45 AM

Amen and God bless America! The homegrown (and foreign) America-haters and bashers may proceed collectively to Cuba, China, or hell. They deserve nothing less.

Posted by: Susanp at July 4, 2006 10:30 PM

After 9/11 I went to Barnes and Noble and bought a copy of the quran in an attempt understand what's going on. I made it through cover-to-cover.

First observation: it reads like a book by a semi-literate that has some familiarity with the Bible and a burning desire for attention.

Second observation: I kept looking for references to virgins for martyrs. I found none.

My question is: Are the qurans sold in the US edited? Or is the guidance promulgated somewhere else?

Posted by: limes at July 5, 2006 2:34 PM