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Soccer Jihad Update from CNN:
MOGADISHU, Somalia (AP) -- Radical Islamic militia fighters in central Somalia shot and killed two people at the screening of a banned World Cup soccer broadcast while dispersing the crowd of teenagers watching it, an independent radio station reported Wednesday.
The Islamic fighters, who have banned such entertainment, opened fire after the teenagers defied their orders to leave the cinema that was screening the Germany-Italy match, Shabelle Radio reported. It said the dead were a girl and the cinema owner.
Islamic fighters who wrested control of the Somali capital from warlords in June forbade movies and television entertainment in line with their strict interpretation of Islam. The Supreme Islamic Courts Council, originally called the Islamic Courts Union, has expanded its control to other parts of southern Somalia.
Its leader, Sheikh Hassan Dahir Aweys, has spent the past weeks in central Somalia recruiting fighters in his clan's native region.
Somalia has been without an effective central government since the warlords turned on each other, carving much of the country into armed camps ruled by violence and clan law. Islamic fundamentalists have stepped into the vacuum, projecting themselves as an alternative military and political power.
They set up a militia force to enforce their interpretation of Islam and formed a court system that helped desperate Somalis settle disputes.
Posted by Marisol at July 5, 2006 4:38 PM
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Good for them. Such actions should not be deplored.
The West should actually encourage fundamentalist
rule and customs in Muslim countries. The more primitive and savage these countries become, the lower they'll fall, and the better off the world will be.
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at July 5, 2006 4:46 PM
Hmmmmm....I guess they were serious.
Posted by: freewoman at July 5, 2006 4:46 PM
Instant Islamic paradise....
Posted by: sheik yer'mami at July 5, 2006 4:49 PM
These guys really hate seeing someone else having a good time. No theater, no sport, no literature, no music, no eroticism, no dancing.... Puritanical b@st@rds! How can you not view them with loathing and contempt?
Posted by: MP at July 5, 2006 4:53 PM
How will this anti-TV campaign in Somalia cut into Osama's use of al-Jazeera?
Posted by: FallaciFan at July 5, 2006 4:54 PM
Yeah, they weren't kidding. Football is really un-islamic!
And obviosly living life is un-islamic.
Now take the Canadian terrorists wives and send them to live in the new islamic "Republic" Somalia so they can get what they so desire and deserve.
Geeze-Louise. These people must really love to kill and hurt people. And to do it with the blessing of a religion makes it all the more convenient for them.
Posted by: GreatShaitan at July 5, 2006 4:54 PM
How bad could Somalia's loss have been? This is carrying World Cup fanatacism a bit far, perhaps?
Posted by: jsla at July 5, 2006 4:58 PM
Oh those silly whacky cracky crazy muslims....what are they gonna do next?
Oh, I forgot, they're gonna kill us too.
Posted by: n.a. palm at July 5, 2006 5:21 PM
As Salman Rushdie says, "... that least huggable of faiths."
Someone posting above mentioned an "instant Islamic paradise." Obviously, the Muslim idea of paradise is a little different from ours. Oh well, the "portable theocratic state" strikes again!
Posted by: Mentat at July 5, 2006 5:31 PM
Somali Islamic Courts vow to kill whoever fails daily prayer
Posted by: ummahnewslinks at July 5, 2006 5:42 PM
OT, but CNN has a story about a pigs head being thrown into a mosque in Maine. Don't quite know what to make of it, but if beheading pigs is going to become common practice now, I will have to organize a pig liberation movement. Nobody, either pig or kafir, deserves to be beheaded and thrown into a mosque.
Posted by: Sheik er' Bouti at July 5, 2006 6:20 PM
'Islam has bloody borders.'
Now its got bloody movie theaters too. Why am I comparing these days to the 'Gathering' period in Highlander?
Posted by: limes at July 5, 2006 6:21 PM
MP-
"These guys really hate seeing someone else having a good time. No theater, no sport, no literature, no music, no eroticism, no dancing.... Puritanical b@st@rds!"
For all the extreme rules, fundamentalist Islamic life is permeated with degraded sensuality (their idea of heaven for starters).
Sexual abuse of wives and children is everywhere, cruelty and sadism are shamelessly indulged without even the recognition of its sexual roots.
Posted by: poetcomic1 at July 5, 2006 6:34 PM
I assume these folks are taking their specific marching orders from OBL from one of his recent tapes (analyzed here by Walid Phares):
http://counterterrorismblog.org/2006/04/bin_ladens_state_of_jihad_spee.php
"The Cultural invasion...
He warned against the cultural and informational invasion through the establishment of TV and radio stations to "fight our doctrine and change its values and to intervene in the educational curriculum, particularly the religious ones, to change it."
Posted by: Caroline at July 5, 2006 7:00 PM
Let them have their Islamic state, let it return 1400 years into past...Give them their paradise so people can stop flocking to the West to enjoy the fruits and then try and chop down the tree that provided it.
moose
Posted by: Moose at July 5, 2006 7:45 PM
Of course they managed to shoot a woman.
And they probably had to shoot the theater owner so they could rob him.
What I want to know is, did the killers shout: "GOAAAAAAL!!!!!"?
Posted by: profitsbeard at July 5, 2006 7:55 PM
It's the Taliban all over again. This time we should stay out. Let the world cry to us if it will, but we should wag our finger at the globe and point the finger squarely where it belongs -- appeasers, anti-Americans, anti-Semites, Eurabians, jihadis, Muslims.
I feel for the suffering of those people but I am more concerned with the suffering of the United States. Take a long look at Mogadishu, Somalia. That could very well be Detroit, USA one day, if we don't do something soon.
Posted by: Foehammer at July 5, 2006 8:07 PM
The Islamic fighters, who have banned such entertainment, opened fire after the teenagers defied their orders to leave the cinema that was screening the Germany-Italy match, Shabelle Radio reported. It said the dead were a girl and the cinema owner.
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Freedom of speech in an islamic dominated country. this is the peaceful religinon of islam.
ABC, CBS, NBC, CNN, MSNBC, NY Times, Washington Post, all main street media ----- wake the hell up and realize that the cult of islam will destroy freedom of speech and will execute with out penalty anyone that breaks islamic dictates.
Posted by: Texican at July 5, 2006 8:16 PM
Video Shows Arabs Fighting in Somalia
Posted by: ummahnewslinks at July 5, 2006 8:25 PM
Foehammer
That's a very good point. 9/11 taught us the wrong lessons - introduce democracy in Afghanistan, and the problems should go away. Well, the Taliban is now making a comeback.
I hate the PC style in which both these wars have been fought, with all due respect to Messrs Rumsfeld, Myers, Frank, Abazaid, Pace, Petrillo, et al. We've all seen how in our "hearts & minds" campaign, we do what we can to reduce collateral damage, which the enemy uses to lure our troops into fighting from dangerous positions. I know heroism and bravery is what soldiers are normally taught, but for once, I'd like to see them being given instructions to fight using 100% unethical tactics:
And if anyone - Bono, Dolores Riordan, or anyone else, calls for US intervention, send them as official US delegates to the warring factions, and let them discuss it. If the warlords don't end up beheading them, send a 500lb bomb that sends both the warlords and Infidel polypragnomists to either meet Allah, or burn in hellfire.
Whatever happens would be the will of Allah.
Posted by: Infidel Pride at July 5, 2006 8:54 PM
"Stephen Schwartz..."
-- from a posting above
You will be interested to know that the description posted at Amazon about Schwartz's forthcoming, or at least next book, is quite different from what was posted just a few weeks ago. Apparently Schwart has realized that defending Iran and attacking those who think that the Islamic Republic of Iran is a problem, thought better of it -- he has to eat, after all -- and has decided to change the focus, post-Mearsheimer-and-Walt, to his own "reflections on the Jewish lobby." He, Stephe/Soliman Schwartz, is always telling people that if they are not Muslims they cannot possibly understand, and therefore should not express opinions about, Islam, perhaps thinks his last name of "Schwartz" entitles him to express an opinion about the soi-disant "Jewish lobby." Should we let that foolish inconsistency pass unremarked? What do you think?
Posted by: Hugh at July 5, 2006 9:00 PM
And still Osama Bin Laden is alive and well and is pushing for more chaos in Somalia. Osama bin Laden has training bases in Somalia and is intent on plunging the Horn of Africa country into further disarray as he continues to provoke muslims into the Dar-Al-Harb among as many muslims as he possibly can. A purported audio recording by the al Qaeda leader that said a US-backed bid to deploy foreign troops to Somalia again would be part of a crusade to crush Islamic rule. Just like Afghanistan and Iraq, the Al Qaeda leader is staying with his pattern of trying to draw the fundamental followers of Islam into as many jihadistic battles as he possibly can aginst the US and western countries.
Bin Laden warned the United States and other countries against sending soldiers to Somalia, where Islamist militia won control of Mogadishu from US-backed warlords last month.
Bin Laden also urged Somalis to back the Islamist movement which has also sought to extend its authority across the country and to fight interim President Abdullahi Yusuf and his allies.
The Islamist movement, known as the Council of Islamic Courts of Somalia, also oppose foreign forces.
Despite appointing a hardline cleric Sheikh Hassan Dahir Aweys – on a US list of al Qaeda associates – as its leader, the Islamist movement denies links to terrorism or that it wants to impose Taliban-style rule in Somalia. Anyone want to buy a cheap bridge that's for sale.
at July 5, 2006 9:05 PM
I will be honest here. I don’t think I would mind a Jihad on Soccer (a non violent one).
Posted by: SnowDawg at July 5, 2006 10:58 PM
This Somalia situation is a nice experiment. See, no one can deny that Somalia has been a really unlawful State for a long while now, and we like it or not, there is a good possibility that the new Muslim kingpins can actually bring some Islam-style level of normalcy to Somali people, the typical “Islam-is-peace” crap we all know: the regular killings, the regular humiliation of women, the regular floggings. What they will fail to do is to bring prosperity to the people. I say, forget all humanitarian help. Let Islamic States foot the bill, if they ever. Let the Saudi fix the mess. If they do, well, good for them; prove me wrong. But I doubt they will. Unfortunately, in this conflict, scores of people will have to suffer to prove the point that Islam is bad, and many of them will be Muslims, suffering in the hands of other Muslims. It’s time we let nature take its course.
Posted by: van der Ley at July 6, 2006 12:22 AM
It’s time we let nature take its course.
Posted by: van der Ley at July 6, 2006 12:22 AM
Yes it is time to let nature take its course, but the bungling UN, if it does anything, will only make matters worse. I'm so impressed with the imminent Security Council inaction on North Korea that I can hardly contain myself.
Why do we continue to pour money into the UN? What worthwhile accomplishment has come out of the UN in the last twenty years, or ever for that matter? Is it just me, or is the Security Council an utterly useless, worthless group of disparate, discordant diplomats who are good for absolutely nothing except consistent ineffecuality?
Posted by: Susanp at July 6, 2006 1:00 AM
Susanp -- If you want to know what at least some diplomats really think, just read this. It's utopy and blissful ignorance at its best.
Posted by: van der Ley at July 6, 2006 1:26 AM
van der Ley - that article made me almost upchuck. If any one at the UN is worth listening to, it certainly should not be Swedish diplomats. These guys have had their heads in the sand since before WWII.
Posted by: Jimmy Bones at July 6, 2006 1:46 AM
Infidel Pride,
This is not a war. This is merely an exercise in PR with the troops being used as cannon fodder. This is an experiment in social engineering that is costing billions and is utterly counter productive. The Allied Generals are not stupid, they would have tackled afghnistan the way it should have been tackled. After airstrikes, Northern Alliance should have been armed and they could have finished the taliban. After that, they could have been given some money (about 10% of what is spent on afghanistan so far) for rebuilding. The military brass around the world knows no one, repeat, no one can fight these people. Let them fight each other like they have been doing for centuries.
And any General would have called it a victory after saddam was caught. Again some money could have been given for the 'rebuilding' exercise, and it would have been a fraction of the amount that is spent already and is being spent, in maintaining a presence there (which is wholly unnecessary since all the wanteds are captured) and in building 'embassies' and other fancy stuff. The army, caught in a civilian population, is told to be mindful of the PR, and as such is nothing, repeat, nothing except prey for the muslims. The remains of the two soldiers taken captive were found very near where they were captured. Any general would have known, that the captors could not have travelled far with the two soldiers and would have flattened the area with bulldozers, thereby saving his men. But the PR exercise that was for the benefit of the people at home this time, stated that they were searching for the soldiers using fighter jets and choppers. (Was it assumed that the captors had the power of levitation, since the 'insurgents' as they are described have no air force). The army in iraq, which is not there for a purpose other than guarding the 'rebuilding', is reduced to a force that acts only to save itself. That is what the powers that be have ensured.
at July 6, 2006 2:08 AM
Frustration in the air as sixth British soldier dies
http://www.guardian.co.uk/frontpage/story/0,,1813680,00.html
Posted by: arjun.sevak at July 6, 2006 7:09 AM
The USA, if it has not already done so, should cease all forms of aid to Somalia. The USA has, for several years, been sending money, food, medicine, water, and other forms of aid to the area--despite the lack of thanks or recognition. Sometimes you do have to let things go (unless you are willing to wipe everything off the face of the map and start over). I agree with the poster above. If anyone complains about the lack of support to Somalia-let them provide it.
The USA needs to tighten its immigration policy almost to the point of islationism. Make it very difficult to enter the USA. For decades the USA has provided comfort, opportunity and wealth to virtually anyone and has received little in exchange. The USA should stop trying to be the world's policeman. IF attacked retaliation should be prompt and lethal, we have the ability to make life short for those who wish to try their skill at killing Americans (especially on US soil).
The UN is a useless organization that has never really applied a well organized or efficient solution to any confrontation that occured. The USA has been fronting this sorry excuse for an organinzation supposely designed to confront evil and to ensure peace. Whenever the opportunity arose where the UN could have made a great difference, action was vetoed by Russia, France, Germany, and others too limp wristed to stand and fight. The European UN members are now suffering an Islamic Onslaught that may well end their freedoms and cost them dearly in the future.
In the future when some country is threatened by a violent demise, let them call anyone other than the US.---The world despises the US anyway, nothing we do (even saving the situation) will sway the UN member to act. They deserve whatever fate awaits them for the nonaction.
In the wake to todays Islamic movement the proper couse of action is to take a positively militant action that is both immediate and lethal. Violence is all the Peaceful Religion of Islam understands. We have the ability to destroy them and we should use whatever it takes. The Euroweenies had better get on the wagon or start learning to speak Arabic and get ready to pay the Jiyzah, not to mention bowing down to their Islamic masters. Many are destined to die--It does not have to be all Americans.
A united front is needed to combat Islam and we are far from being United. It is time to start playing to win and stopping playing just to be on the field. BOMBS AWAY.
at July 6, 2006 7:36 AM
The Qur'an strikes again.
In Iraq people have been killed for operating a falafal stand or for selling ice.
In Somalia people die for watching movies or TV.
Why? Because these activities are not mentioned in the dear old Qur'an.
And Allah knows that if isn't mentioned in the Qur'an, it isn't allowed!
Exceptions are made for murder-bombers who kill women and children, and sawing off heads on TV.
Let me get this straight, it is OK to mutilate people on TV and have Muslims watch,but its not OK to watch TV if its not approved by the local Jihad board.
Seems to me this is just a programming glitch. Just have all programming only deal with Jihad, mutilations, recruiting murder-bombers, and brainwashing children to hate Jews and all infidels, and Muslims everywhere can safely watch TV anywhere they want. Problem solved.
at July 6, 2006 10:49 AM
americaningermany: remember when the Minnesottans
protesting the Somali invasions were labelled
racist?
at July 6, 2006 11:13 AM
Wouldn't it be a wonderful gift from the US to drop a couple of five hundred pounders on the newly assembled Islamic Council after they enslave the rest of Somalia?
Posted by: Briars at July 6, 2006 12:53 PM
On one hand, I think what the jihadists are doing in Somalia is atrocious.
On the other hand, I hope that muslim countries everywhere will ban movie watching and that muslims in the west will honor this ban. I would love to see hollywood take it in the shorts. Maybe then, when they start to see movies banned all over the world, the liberal media cretins just might shake off their anti-American hatred long enough to recognize the mutual threat and help us kaffirs fight evil islam.
But...(sigh)...it is more likely that the liberal media cretins will only increase their muslim bootlicking activities with great fervor.
Posted by: WhiteDemon}:) at July 6, 2006 3:04 PM
A couple of weeks ago the Islamic Fashion Police (Grand Ayatollah Mr. Blackwell) ordered a hit on a couple tennis players in Iraq for wearing shorts and now the Jihad is against people who watch sports. (Can you imagine the control-freak Islamic fighters in the US at a World Series game? Top of the ninth..tie score..bases loaded...boom..boom..picher dead...)
BTW, since the Iranian president is a soccer fan-maybe the Islamic fighters can take him out. Just a thought...
Posted by: Frank at July 6, 2006 3:07 PM
Hugh
I agree - Schwartz should not be given the same latitude that a Jew would get while commentating on Jews.
Arjun
I disagree with you here. Like in Iraq, the ideal condition in Afghanistan is a perpetual civil war. It is not in the interest of any infidel country - be it the US, Russia, India, China, et al for any of the combatants to prevail. We've seen it with the Abdul Rahman case - the Northern Alliance are just Taliban lite, and Karzai is just the non Taliban faction of the Pashtun/Pathan.
I know that Russia and India started arming the Northern Alliance because Pakistan was gaining a monopoly, and strategic depth in Afghanistan. But the Northern Alliance had several factions, none of whom would ever be infidel friendly. How can they - they are Mohammedans. The ideal scenario is not the re-building of Afghanistan that is going on now, which has resulted in a couple of Indians going home headless - the ideal scenario is a perpetual civil war between the Pashtun and Tajik, backed by Iran, vs the Taliban, backed by rogue Pakistani elements. If Iranian and Pakistani militias can be drawn in - like the Hizbullah or Badr Brigades on the side of Khalilis troops, Iranian Sunnis on the side of the Tajiks vs Baluchis, Wazirs and Pathan fighters on the side of Taliban, and Pak troops on the side of Heqmatyar, that would be an ideal scenario. Muslims killing Muslims, with infidel low end weapons, but no infidel blood being spilt in the process. And no side getting the upper hand the way the Taliban did after 1996.
Same thing recommended in Iraq, KSA, Syria, Bahrein, et al.
Posted by: Infidel Pride at July 6, 2006 3:17 PM
Let the Islamic world foot the bill of the chaos that is Africa if they want it. Heck maybe they need Islamic rule it is and entire continent infected with HIV. What is the average age in Africa 14? More trouble than it is worth really.
Posted by: ethoman at July 6, 2006 4:10 PM
Isnt this the kind of life Somalis chose when they shot at our soldiers, who were just trying to help feed them. They are getting thier just deserts.
Posted by: ethoman at July 6, 2006 4:39 PM
van der ley, that article was nauseating but typical for the one-world government mentality prevalent within the UN. Those idiots actually believe that the nation state is obsolete and the only answer to everlasting world peace is worldwide open borders. What propels people to think like that? I am not intractable and I consider myself amenable to radically new and different ideas, provided they are logical and practicable. However, the group think that has held the bureaucrats in the UN and other international organizations captive for the last thirty years is nothing but utopian socialism on a universal scale, despite already proven disastrous results in large parts of the world. Why do they persist?
They still think the Israeli/Palestinian conflict is about land; that's how utterly clueless these brilliant "elites" who want to run our lives are. Almost sixty years later, the idiots in the UN and just about every national government in the world think they are fighting over land. The Palestinians have stated in no uncertain terms that Israel is not entitled to exist, despite a Jewish presence in Palestine since before the advent of Islam. They have reiterated for almost sixty years that they will drive the Jews into the sea and they claim all of Palestine as muslim land. There is nothing ambiguous about their intentions yet the diplomats are suggesting that Israel should just melt into a larger "dual" state where the Jews would become dhimmis; forget the Jewish state because it's less important than peace. Unbelievable!!!!
The UN should either be dismantled or infused with new blood. Their utopian fantasies are Twilight Zone material at best, and these leftist, multiculturalist twits lack the cognitive faculties to understand that certain cultures and/or religions are simply incompatible with all others and must be isolated. That will facilitate "peace", not forced intermingling and the subjugation of one group by the other. Until they get over that hurdle, and I doubt they ever will, they are meddlesome and dangerous social engineers who do more to incite and encourage conflict than to avoid it.
Much of the ideology embraced by the UN came from Canadian intellectuals in the late seventies, about the time Canada officially became the first "multicultural" utopia on the planet. I'll bet they are very proud of their accomplishments in Canada, the worst of which are yet to come.
Posted by: Susanp at July 7, 2006 12:57 AM
Infidel Pride,
You do not disagree with me. You merely misunderstand me. Had the U.S. armed the NA, we would still be on the sidelines watching the show, with not a soldier in afghanistan, and not a penny towards rebuilding. And who knows what might have happened ? The NA might have won over the taliban, and then decided to pay back pakistan for supporting the taliban. The worst case scenario is what you envisualise, that they would still be at each other's throats.( And history has shown, afghanistan IS interested in being at each other's throats rather than exporting terror, which was the handiwork of pakistan supporting the taliban.) It was one of the most stupid things I have seen, boots in afghanistan, and I am but a humble reader of military strategists. Like I said, this is not a war, this is a PR exercise.
at July 7, 2006 4:36 AM
Roundup: Somali Islamists renew opposition to foreign peacekeepers
http://english.people.com.cn/200607/07/eng20060707_280737.html
Posted by: arjun.sevak at July 7, 2006 5:04 AM
Mohammed didn't have soccer, but he didn't have Ak47's either.
Posted by: Bohemond_1069 at July 7, 2006 8:55 AM
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