Sounds real to me.

Posted by: Hugh at July 5, 2006 8:54 PM

Is this a joke or a hoax?

Posted by: Infidel Pride at July 5, 2006 9:01 PM

This proves that any one who wants to leave Islam must keep their mouth shut in front of any Muslim, and I mean locked shut. No matter how polite the followers may be (and I hate to sound like I am generalizing unfavorably, but I can't help it), you never know who may be in your own TOWN who feels this way. For all I know, the person writing this article could be in your grocery store. Let alone categorize himself or herself as a mainsteam adherent. There will never be enough words to describe how freaky this is.

Just when you think you can't read anything scarier or disturbing about apostacy, you come across something like this.

In a way, I am glad that this opinion article was expressed in the city newspaper because everyone who reads the opinion section of that paper should read this. But still, I wonder how many people would really heed this, or just dismiss this.

Posted by: DillPickle at July 5, 2006 9:03 PM

Please do not ask us Muslims to pick some rules and disregard other rules. Muslims are supposed to embrace Islam in its totality.

Cafeteria Muslims?

One reason I've never found a church I could join is this "all or nothing" attitude. Islam exemplifies it in its purest form.

Posted by: Cato the Elder at July 5, 2006 9:06 PM

Let me clarify. I am glad that it was expressed because I want as many people as possible to see the true colors of someone like Nazra.

Posted by: DillPickle at July 5, 2006 9:07 PM

I just googled "Nazra Quraishi." Here's another letter from the good sister:

Relocate Israel.

How about we relocate you, beeyatch?

Posted by: Cato the Elder at July 5, 2006 9:10 PM

"Please do not ask us Muslims to pick some rules and disregard other rules."
-- from the letter in the article above

And what about the rule that Muslims owe their sole allegiance to Islam and to fellow Believers? Do the governments and peoples of Infidel nation-states have a right to ask Muslims to ignore, and to formally abjure, that rule? Or in doing so, would they be asking too much?

Posted by: Hugh at July 5, 2006 9:12 PM

Muslims have absolutely NO PROOF whatsoever confirming anything they believe to be true.

And, as it happens, much of what is written in the Kuran is ostensibly FALSE. For instance, the Kuran teaches that the world is flat.

Now, if the Kuran is so divine, (and so "glorious") how did that happen????

Why, then, should we believe anything these people claim? Why should we not declare all-out war on THEM???? and their snake oil 'religious' claims?????

Although there are many, many factual mistakes contained in the Kuran (proving beyond the shadow of a doubt the Kuran is NOT divine in origin), the most disturbing falsity held by Muslims is that religious ideals can somehow be made more important than human life itself.

The trouble here is that these 'religious' beliefs are man-made in origin, when we disappear, they will disappear with us. So, the existence of Islamic and other 'religious' ideals and mores depend on our existence for their existence--not the other way around. Therefore religious beliefs cannot be more important than the life that brought them into existence. That Muslims do not understand they have no factual credibility certainly does not make them any more sympathetic. Especially when they destroy human lives with the same amount of emotion required to adjust a window shade (and as the basis for their doing so was a lie to begin with).

Anytime someone comes down the pike with an ideology that claims to be more important than life itself make a bee-line for the exit. Your life may very well depend on it.

Talking rocks, anyone?

Posted by: pythagoras at July 5, 2006 9:19 PM

I moved back down south in 1988, leaving Dearborn Heights Michigan. Next door was Dearborn, home of Ford motor co. and the largest mess of Muslims, I'd ever seen befor. Even back then old mo daddies were killing their daughters because of their honor. Why because of makeup and jeans, kid stuff. Michigan is getting what they deserve, the rest of America better wake up. islam is nothing but death, and deceit. Of course some of these Southern Baptists are...... lol, see the south is gonna rise again!

Posted by: AMartinez at July 5, 2006 9:23 PM

Alalalalalalalalalalalalalalla!

Posted by: DCWatson at July 5, 2006 9:25 PM

She's blatant. No worries for her about speaking her thoughts.

Posted by: nyone at July 5, 2006 9:29 PM

It is forbidden in Islam to convert to any other religion. The penalty is death.

Nazra Quraishi
East Lansing

Ah.... so this is the 'benevolence in the heart of Islam' that Condi knows.

Posted by: Alert at July 5, 2006 9:33 PM

It is forbidden in Islam to convert to any other religion. The penalty is death.

Nazra Quraishi
East Lansing

Freedom of religion is a constitutional right. Islam deprives this right, hence, Islam is unconstitutional.

Posted by: Alert at July 5, 2006 9:44 PM

Good grief, this is in an American place of all places. I thought that nothing would occur in the USA. Unbelivable. Thanks once again, Robert for this posting.

Posted by: bigcatgirl13106 at July 5, 2006 9:53 PM

I just googled "Nazra Quraishi" too. Apparently she teaches kindergarten to young Muslim kids in Sunday school:

http://lansingislam.com/sunday.htm

I wonder how many young children's minds she's already poisoned. And something tells me the other Sunday school teachers, for the older kids, are the same way.

Posted by: Steven L. at July 5, 2006 9:55 PM

More islamic child abuse,
http://littlegreenfootballs.com/weblog/?entry=21362_Egyptian_Cleric_Teaching_Death_Cult_Ideology_to_Kids&only

Posted by: Carolyn2 at July 5, 2006 10:01 PM

After 9/11 I went to Barnes and Noble and bought a copy of the Koran in an attempt understand what's going on. I made it through cover-to-cover.

First observation: it reads like a book that has been written by someone who has some familiarity with the Bible, a burning desire for attention, and very limited writing skill.

Second observation: I kept looking for references to virgins for martyrs. I found none.

My question is: Are the Korans sold in the US edited? Or is the guidance promulgated somewhere else?

Can someone enlighten me?

Posted by: limes at July 5, 2006 10:03 PM

Wrong link ooops.

Posted by: Carolyn2 at July 5, 2006 10:03 PM

I think she was misquoted, muslims cannot fully comprehend the English language and sometimes they fail to realize American English cannot be translated by a non native speaker. I have helped nazra out by fixing her errors; this is what I think she was attempting to say.

islam is not a religion, it is the complete enemy of life. islam guides muslims to their grave. The quran and false prophet muhammad's words are not practical and any application of the unholy quran ends life and that cannot be changed.

islam will end humanity, for all times, until the day of judgment. It is forbidden in islam to convert to any other religion. The penalty is death. There is no disagreement about it.

islam can never be embraced by people of faith at any time. They should know they can never embrace islam, but cannot get out of its way. This rule is not made by muslims; it is the supreme law of the false prophet muhammad.

Do not ask us muslims to follow any rules we disregard all rules. muslims are enslaved by islam in its totality.
Nazra Quraishi
East Lansing

BTW, nazra, you are most welcome, glad I could help.

Posted by: Ronin at July 5, 2006 10:03 PM

These people are ridiculous. They believe in the idiot sayings of the koran.

You'd think with as much inbreeding that goes on they 'd all be dribbling idiots by now.

If she wanted to live exactly by the koran, she wouldn't be able to write the editor of the newspaper and teach at the mosque. Because, she 'd be stuck at home waiting for her husband to come back from his third or fourth wife to have sex with HER.

They are so full of crap they stink.

Posted by: freewoman at July 5, 2006 10:03 PM

DillPickle,

"This proves that any one who wants to leave Islam must keep their mouth shut in front of any Muslim, and I mean locked shut. No matter how polite the followers may be (and I hate to sound like I am generalizing unfavorably, but I can't help it), you never know who may be in your own TOWN who feels this way. For all I know, the person writing this article could be in your grocery store. Let alone categorize himself or herself as a mainsteam adherent. There will never be enough words to describe how freaky this is.

Just when you think you can't read anything scarier or disturbing about apostacy, you come across something like this.

In a way, I am glad that this opinion article was expressed in the city newspaper because everyone who reads the opinion section of that paper should read this. But still, I wonder how many people would really heed this, or just dismiss this. "

This comment proves sadly that even for those Muslims who were born into Islam and who have left or who converted and repenting for what they have done, say, and what to come to faith in Christ they now have to even be very careful in of all places, America.

Posted by: bigcatgirl13106 at July 5, 2006 10:04 PM

It also seems that Nazra Quraishi is also a Board Member for the Lansing Chapter of the American Muslim Council:

http://www.geocities.com/lansingamc/AMCLC_Board_2_Contact_Information_2002.htm

Posted by: mongo at July 5, 2006 10:04 PM

AMartinez,

"I moved back down south in 1988, leaving Dearborn Heights Michigan. Next door was Dearborn, home of Ford motor co. and the largest mess of Muslims, I'd ever seen befor. Even back then old mo daddies were killing their daughters because of their honor. Why because of makeup and jeans, kid stuff. Michigan is getting what they deserve, the rest of America better wake up. islam is nothing but death, and deceit. Of course some of these Southern Baptists are...... lol, see the south is gonna rise again! "

Well in truth; do not be suprised if it takes another attack on this country, and believe me, the Muslims in this country are going to be in for a very rude awakening.

Posted by: bigcatgirl13106 at July 5, 2006 10:06 PM

Hugh writes: "And what about the rule that Muslims owe their sole allegiance to Islam and to fellow Believers?"

Hugh,
if you follow the money trail back from this Islamic Society of Greater Lansing, I'll bet it leads right back to Saudi Arabia, as has been the case with the other mosques and "religious schools" that have morphed young Muslims into robotized jihadists. Most of the funding comes indirectly from the Saudis.

So I'm curious: What is the position of the Saudi royal family, and top Saudi clerics, on the question you asked? Do they tell their own people that it would be cool if all Muslims worldwide were loyal to the umma and not to the countries of which they are citizens?

Because if they do, then they are encouraging sedition in America (and every other Western nation); and that should be the end of the U.S.-Saudi "friendship."

Posted by: Steven L. at July 5, 2006 10:07 PM

http://littlegreenfootballs.com/weblog/?entry=21394_Palestinian_Child_Abuse#comments
Scroll up from the comments to see the video and read the text. (The link went to the wrong article.)

Posted by: Carolyn2 at July 5, 2006 10:08 PM

The common thread l hear from Muslims, is that their Koran is superior, because its right from God's mouth to their prophet Mohummad's ears. no editing, no changeing, its believe in it all. These people have got to be most brain dead robotic idoits on the planet! you cannot question it, you try to change it your an aposate,and your killed. Well this letter is great, as like iranian prez, they tell you exactly what they think about you, and if you dont prepare to destroy them, you will be a goner!

Posted by: Lulu at July 5, 2006 10:11 PM

http://www.foehammer.net/2006/05/war-poster-islam-is-enemy.html

Posted by: Foehammer at July 5, 2006 10:11 PM

"Freedom of religion is a constitutional right. Islam deprives this right, hence, Islam is unconstitutional". Posted by Alert.

My thoughts exactly. I do hope the Supreme Court agrees with us in the near future. This cult of death needs to be put to death.

Posted by: William The Crusader at July 5, 2006 10:16 PM

What has always amazed me is the jihadists are the only honest muslims. They clearly state their goals of world domination and let the less brave muslims use trickery and deceit to fool the misguided into believing they are opposed to the jihadists. With the shear amount of mental anguish they must go through attempting to justify this belief system to them selves it is a small wonder they are suicidal.

Posted by: Ronin at July 5, 2006 10:21 PM

We're all so ahead of the curve, but as I sit here and watch CSPAN discussions about protecting the border, I'm getting the distinct impression that the curve is finally catching up to us.

Keep strong. Wisdom and strength will ultimately prevail in the United States of America, and our enemies will feel the consequence of their hatred for us.

The message is clear and simple: if you want to destroy the Constitution of the United States, then you are not welcome here -- it doesn't matter if you are a Mexican gang member in L.A., a drug cartel flunky holding a city seat, a jihadi in Michigan or a Communist buried in the Defense Department, we will find you and we will do what is necessary.

Posted by: Foehammer at July 5, 2006 10:24 PM

Laws may be declared constitutional or unconstitutional. Islam is not a "law" of the land. But what Islam teaches shows that it is incompatible with the legal and political institutions of this and all other Western countries. For a while great efforts will be made, are now being made, to deny this. Every other possibility will be entertained. Every way to deny what is right there, in Islamic law and in Islamic history, will be tried out. But little by little, and then faster and faster, Infidels will realize what defectors from Islam have been telling them all along.

The only question that remains is what will be the rate of change, depending on the state of change, in Infidel comprehension of Islam? One hopes the progression is geometric rather than arithemetic, or in the best outcome, positively Napierian.

Posted by: Hugh at July 5, 2006 10:27 PM

Awesome poster, Foe. Thanks for the indulgence to pass it around. I will.

Regards,

Haid

Posted by: Haid Dasalami at July 5, 2006 10:29 PM

we will find you and we will do what is necessary.

Well said Foehammer, here is my take on the word "we"

We as in the collective masses who understand the might of free people and the necessity to defend them from evil oppressors.

Posted by: Ronin at July 5, 2006 10:31 PM

I think the U.S. and the west will learn something that India has known for centuries. Some of my hindu indian friends grew up with parents telling them never to trust the muslim. They would tell them that muslim would always stab you in the back. This sort of thinking is probbly centuries old in India, and sounds like there were reasons for it.

Some of these muslims could pretend to "moderate" and you'd never know that your next door neighbor had the same thoughts as a terrorist. Even if they deny these thoughts, how would you know if they were lying to you.

Posted by: Tomilio at July 5, 2006 10:36 PM

Hugh asks,

And what about the rule that Muslims owe their sole allegiance to Islam and to fellow Believers?

An answer is forthwith here:

"As an American Muslim, I pledge allegiance to God and His prophet. I respect and love my family and my community, and I dedicate my life to serving the cause of truth and justice."

Posted by: ummahnewslinks at July 5, 2006 10:48 PM

Tomilio:

I also have friends whos parents are from India and I have heard the very same words, just from different mouths.

We won't have to know anything about Muslims if we expel them from our shores! And that has been my battlecry for months and I will stick to it until the nation awakens and takes action. The Muslims in North America are still a tiny minority. Deporting them would raise a few outcries from the Left, without doubt, but seriously, who cares what outcries come when we know that to remove this enemy is the absolute right thing to do?

All too often, the biggest problem that is exploited by all our enemies is that we are not hard enough. We must remember what won in blood the freedoms we all take so for granted today -- and that was backbone and the will to fight against the odds. How many of us could possibly begin to understand the sheer guts it took to join the Continental Army in 1776? Retaking America from Illegal Immigrants and Muslims and drug cartels is child's play in comparison.

We will do it.

Posted by: Foehammer at July 5, 2006 10:57 PM

AMartinez writes: "I moved back down south in 1988, leaving Dearborn Heights Michigan. Next door was Dearborn, home of Ford motor co. and the largest mess of Muslims, I'd ever seen befor. Even back then old mo daddies were killing their daughters because of their honor."

Well, AMartinez, it looks like the wheels of justice are finally turning in Dearborn:

Probes of links to Hizballah grow
Focus on group concerns some local Muslims

BY NIRAJ WARIKOO
FREE PRESS STAFF WRITER

July 5, 2006

Inside the Dearborn banquet hall, Lebanese Americans gazed at flat-screen televisions that flashed video footage of armed Hizballah fighters battling Israelis in Lebanon.

The mostly Muslim crowd was there to celebrate Lebanon Liberation Day, the sixth anniversary of the Israeli army's departure from southern Lebanon on May 25, 2000. To those inside the hall, Hizballah is a heroic group responsible for ending Israel's occupation of the towns where they grew up.

But to the U.S. government, Hizballah is an Iranian-backed terrorist organization that has killed more Americans than any militant group besides Al Qaeda.

The clashing views of Muslims and U.S. authorities over Hizballah are playing out in southeastern Michigan as federal investigators increasingly target local residents purported to have ties to the group....

If morally supporting Hizballah or associating with Fadlallah is a crime, “there is not going to be enough buses to haul the people out and take them to jail,” said Osama Siblani, publisher of the Dearborn-based Arab American News.

Israel invaded Lebanon in 1982 to fight terrorism, Israelis say. Hizballah, which means Party of God, was formed that same year, the State Department says. Israel occupied parts of Lebanon until Hizballah forced Israeli troops out in 2000.

Siblani compares Hizballah with America’s founding fathers, such as George Washington, saying, “Your terrorist could be my freedom fighter. A terrorist to the Israelis could be a freedom fighter of mine.”

http://tinyurl.com/gzw52

Posted by: Steven L. at July 5, 2006 11:00 PM

Is anyone else who lives near Dearborn getting tired of all this? Don't answer- I'm not trying to identify anyone specifially. I'm an American living accross the border in Canada,and I am in the process of making a list of possible citiesback home in the U.S. I need to get my children out of here soon. I'm also thinking of heading south. Nashville, anyone?

Libbysmom, only half kidding

Posted by: libbysmom at July 5, 2006 11:06 PM

Lulu,

"The common thread l hear from Muslims, is that their Koran is superior, because its right from God's mouth to their prophet Mohummad's ears. no editing, no changeing, its believe in it all. These people have got to be most brain dead robotic idoits on the planet! you cannot question it, you try to change it your an aposate,and your killed. Well this letter is great, as like iranian prez, they tell you exactly what they think about you, and if you dont prepare to destroy them, you will be a goner!"

I would love to ask any "honest Muslims", if your Koran is so superior, why is it that the number one best selling book of all times is the Bible? Tells me which holy is the better book.

Posted by: bigcatgirl13106 at July 5, 2006 11:13 PM

Well as an American born and raised here. I'm wondering if theirs anywhere you can go, and not have to put up with a lot of PC crap? Well yes there is libbysmom and all other freedom loving Americans. Come to Alabama, damn beautiful state. Hunting fishing booming economy and dang near any one can get a gun permit.

Posted by: AMartinez at July 5, 2006 11:15 PM

Bigcatgirl, I'm still stuck on .......how in the Hell can you believe in the koran when it says the sun sets in a mud puddle, semen comes from the back, mountains hold the earth in place...and all that crap. How can they believe in an allah when he doesn't even know how science works? Or the body works.

Science and common sense has proved the koran WRONG!!

Can any muslim yahoo explain this?

Posted by: freewoman at July 5, 2006 11:20 PM

Much more akin to the Mafia or some other gang of thugs than anything from God, The and Ruler of the universe and Father of mankind.

Posted by: infidelion1095 at July 5, 2006 11:53 PM

Does Sister Nazra mean to state that such killings are either obligatory or acceptable here in the United States?

I also Googled Nazra Quraishi. Yes, she apparently is, or was, an Islamic Society of Greater Lansing Sunday School kindergarten teacher.

Here is part of their ‘About Us’ statement:

The school teaches Quran, Hadith, Seerah, Islamic ethics and moral values.

Sister Nazra is, or was, also an American Muslim Council, Lansing Chapter (AMCLC) Member at Large.

Here is their vision:

The Lansing Chapter of the American Muslim Council essentially shares the ideal of its parent organization American Muslim Council (AMC) which envisions and works toward the full political participation of American Muslims in all aspects of American life to the extent that the very fabric of American life is threaded with Islamic values that are treasured and preserved by all Americans.

So it would appear that Sister Nazra is not only in a position to teach five year old children that they will be murdered, most likely by other Muslims, should they ever leave Islam for another religion, she also belongs to an organization which seeks to weave Islamic values, utilizing our own political system, into my grandchildren’s lives.

1. Is the murder of apostates one of the Islamic values that the AMC would have the rest of us ‘treasure and preserve’?

The email address for the American Muslim Council (the parent organization) is:

http://www.amcnational.org/contact.php

2. Should this woman be teaching American children?

The email address for the Michigan Department of Education is:

MDEweb@michigan.gov

3. As she clearly states that death (murder) of apostates is the penalty for leaving Islam, shouldn’t each of our elected officials be made aware of Nazra's statement?

Posted by: PRCS at July 5, 2006 11:58 PM

If the Qur'an was really what braindead muslims believe it to be, God's "final" message to man, it wouldn't be so ambiguous that millions of devout muslims, including the Islamic clergy, would "misunderstand" its glorious message. It would be perfect in every way, not a defective farce replete with contradictions, historical and chronological errors, fallacies, myths, superstitions, and Arab folklore.

The divine recitation would not be an unorganized farrago of nonsensical mumbo jumbo, it would be cogent, lucid, and rational. Muhammad's illustrious companions served as his stenographers, recording his providential dreams on rocks, leaves, and whatever other flimsy, degradable material was handy in and around his cave. Many years after Muhammad's death, someone compiled what was left of the companions'shorthand and declared the finished product Islam. Wow, how could anyone question such authenticity and undeniably divine machinations? Of course, there are details I omitted to make this story as brief as possible, but none that would buttress the muslim claim that the Qur'an is the indisputable word of God.

Islam is the most unbelievable piece of fiction ever written.

Posted by: Susanp at July 6, 2006 12:00 AM

Limes wrote, "Second observation: I kept looking for references to virgins for martyrs. I found none."

here are some, look them up,

Quranic verses (Translated by Maolana A. Yousuf Ali) that promises Heaven with Houris, Sex, and Wine for the pious Muslims:

Quran-(52:17-20): “They will recline (with ease) on thrones arranged in ranks. And We shall marry them to Huris (fair females) with wide lovely eyes.” “There they shall pass from hand to hand a (wine) cup, free from any Laghw….”

Quran: (37:40-48): …they will sit with bashful, dark-eyed virgins, as chaste as the sheltered eggs of ostriches.

Quran: (44:51-55): Yes and we shall wed them to dark-eyed houris (beautiful virgins).

Quran: (55:56-57): In them will be bashful virgins neither man nor Jinn will have touched before. Then which of the favours of your Lord will you deny?

Quran-(55:72): “Hur (beautiful, fair females) guarded in pavilions;”

Quran: (78:31): “As for the righteous, they surely triumph. Their gardens and vineyards and high-bosomed (pointed breast) virgins for companions, truly overflowing cup”

Quran-(78: 33-34):”And young full-breasted (mature) maidens of equal age, and a full cup of wine.”

Quran-(55:57-58): “Then which of the blessings of your lord will you both (jinn and men) deny? (In beauty) they are like rubies and coral”.

Quran-(56:7-40): ” …we created the houris and made them virgins, loving companions for those on the right hand….”

Quran-(55:70-77): ” In each there shall be virgins chaste and fair….dark eyed virgins sheltered in their tents whom neither man or Jinn have touched before…”

Quran-56:22: “And (there will be) Huris with wide, lovely eyes (as wives for the pious)”

Quran-(56: 35-36): “Verily , We have created them (maidens) of special creation. And made them Virgins.”

Quran- (55:56): “Wherein both will be Qasirat-ut-Tarf (chaste females restraining their glances, desiring none except their husband) with whom no man or jinni has had tamth before them.”

Quran: (2:25): “And give glad tidings to those who believe and do righteous good deeds, that for them will be Gardens under which rivers flow (Paradise)……….and they will be given these things in resemblance (i.e., in the same form but different in taste) and they shall have therein Azwajun Muhtahharatun (purified mates and wives) and that they will have abide therein forever”.

Quran:(47:15): “The description of Paradise which the Muttaqun have been promised (is that) in it are rivers of water the taste and smell of which are not changed, rivers of milk of which the taste never changes, rivers of wine delicious to those who drink, and rivers of clarified honey……….”

Quran-(40-45): “Surely for the God-fearing awaits a place of security gardens and vineyards and maidens with swelling (protruding) bosoms.”

Posted by: desidude at July 6, 2006 12:14 AM

"Islam is being embraced by people of other faiths all the time. They should know they can embrace Islam, but cannot get out."

I doubt that most people who convert to Islam know that the penalty for leaving Islam is death. I am sure that this detail is not mentioned to any potential converts.

Posted by: non-redneck at July 6, 2006 12:18 AM

"As an American Muslim, I pledge allegiance to God and His prophet. I respect and love my family and my community, and I dedicate my life to serving the cause of truth and justice."
-- from a posting above, giving a version of a Pledge of Allegiance composed by a Muslim in the United States for fellow Muslims in the United States, to be found at the link given above

A little textual gloss is called for.
First, "as an American Muslim I pledge allegiance." Not as "an American," but as "an American Muslim."

And what do Americans, of all kinds, of all faiths, "pledge allegiance" to? They "pledge allegiance" to "the flag of the United States of America, and to the Republic for which it stands, one nation, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all." [And if you learned it under Eisenhower, add "under God"].

What, in the pledge above, do "American Muslims" pledge allegiance to? They "pledge allegiance" to "God and His prophet." To Allah and to His Prophet Muhammad, uswa hasana, al-insan al-kamil. Muhammad, who took part in 78 military campaigns against those who would not submit to him and to his fighting faith, Muhammad who laid out rules for the division of loot seized, as from the innocent farmers of the Khaybar Oasis, Muhammad who watched with pleasure as 600-900 bound prisoners of the Banu Qurayza were decapitated, Muhammad who was pleased to learn of the murders of Abu Akaf and Asma bint Marwan, Muhammad who married nine-year-old Aisha, the last and favorite of his wives, Muhammad who preached that "war is deception."

The next part of the pledge begins "I respect...." "Respect" what? "I respect my family and my community." The word "family" we all recognize. What does the word "community" mean? Does it mean the smaller community of the town you live in, or a neighborhood of your city? Could it mean the "community of fellow citizens" of the United States? Of course not. It means the "Umma," the umma al-islamiya, the umma or ummah of fellow Believer, the "Commuity of Muslims," the only "community" that counts.

Finally, that business of "serving the cause of truth and justice." Words calculated to mislead, and certainly not to offend. Who could be opposed to "truth"? Who could find fault with "justice"? We all could, that's who could. Because the "truth" in question is the Truth of Islam, the only Truth avaialble to a true Believer, a true Muslim, and "serving the cause of Islam" means to work for its spread, for its hold over the minds of men to increase, for Da'wa to win over Infidels, not to save their individual souls (that is a concept alien to Islam) but to enroll them as recruits in the Army of Islam, the army that works to find still more recruits, and to ensure that Islam will one day dominate everywhere, with all obstacles to that dominance removed, and Muslims will rule.

And the same gloss can be applied to that seemingly innocent word "justice." It is the "justice" that can take place only when the Truth of Islam is recognized and rules, and the Holy Law of Islam, or Shari'a, without which there can be no "justice," prevails.

That is what this sinister but seemingly innocent, and certainly carefully worded, Muslim Pledge of Allegiance is about. It is not merely a variant on the standard Pledge of Allegiance. Propertly understood, understood as it would be by those who composed it, and by those who are told to take that pledge, it represents not only a refusal to take, and mean, the real pledge, to that flag, and thus to the United States of America, and to the Republic, for which it stands.

Posted by: Hugh at July 6, 2006 12:24 AM

Hugh,

Here is Red Skelton's take on the real Pledge of allegiance:

http://www.usflag.org/skeltonspledge.html

Commentary on the Pledge of Allegiance
by Red Skelton

As a schoolboy, one of Red Skelton's teachers explained the words and meaning of the Pledge of Allegiance to his class. Skelton later wrote down, and eventually recorded, his recollection of this lecture. It is followed by an observation of his own.

I - - Me; an individual; a committee of one.

Pledge - - Dedicate all of my worldly goods to give without self-pity.

Allegiance - - My love and my devotion.

To the Flag - - Our standard; Old Glory ; a symbol of Freedom; wherever she waves there is respect, because your loyalty has given her a dignity that shouts, Freedom is everybody's job.

United - - That means that we have all come together.

States - - Individual communities that have united into forty-eight great states. Forty-eight individual communities with pride and dignity and purpose. All divided with imaginary boundaries, yet united to a common purpose, and that is love for country.

And to the Republic - - Republic--a state in which sovereign power is invested in representatives chosen by the people to govern. And government is the people; and it's from the people to the leaders, not from the leaders to the people.

For which it stands

One Nation - - One Nation--meaning, so blessed by God.

Indivisible - - Incapable of being divided.

With Liberty - - Which is Freedom; the right of power to live one's own life, without threats, fear, or some sort of retaliation.

And Justice - - The principle, or qualities, of dealing fairly with others.

For All - - For All--which means, boys and girls, it's as much your country as it is mine.

And now, boys and girls, let me hear you recite the Pledge of Allegiance:
I pledge allegiance to the Flag of the United States of America, and to the Republic, for which it stands; one nation, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all.

Since I was a small boy, two states have been added to our country, and two words have been added to the Pledge of Allegiance: Under God. Wouldn't it be a pity if someone said that is a prayer, and that would be eliminated from schools, too?

Red Skelton

Posted by: del at July 6, 2006 12:36 AM

"we shall wed them to dark-eyed houris (beautiful virgins)."

Actually, I think "dark-eyed houris" is a redundancy, as the word houri means literally "a woman possessing eyes that are beautiful because the pupils are dilated and black."

Posted by: Television at July 6, 2006 12:45 AM

"Red Skelton..."
-- from a posting above

Red Skelton was born Richard, Red Buttons was once Aaron Chwatt of the Bronx, Redd Foxx may reasonably be referred to in king-arthur fashion as Sanford quondam Sanfordque futurus, given his name at the beginning of his life and the name he had at the end, on his long-running television show Sanford & Son.

What Red Skelton learned in school about the parsing of the Pledge could not have been much different from what Red Buttons would have heard at P.S. 129 or later, at Evander Childs High School. One suspects the same gloss on the pledge was imparted to Redd Foxx.

Possibly there is a moral here somewhere.

Posted by: Hugh at July 6, 2006 1:10 AM

Desidude, Limes -

Cardinal George Pell's masterful lecture on Islam and Western Democracies (noted here recently) cited a 2003 research paper by Christoph Luxemberg with the following conclusion: the original Koran was apparently written in Syro-Aramaic, the written language of Arabia at the time of Mohammed. These writings were handed down and eventually set to Arabic 150 years later.

Luxemberg's research suggests that the Arabic word for maidens was a mistranscription from the Syriac word for grapes.

Grapes! The suicide bombers will actually get grapes, not maidens. What a shock that must be!
"I blew myself up for a new bowl of grapes every day? What a ripoff!"

I don't think they will get either grapes or maidens but that is just my humble opinion.

Posted by: Jimmy Bones at July 6, 2006 1:27 AM

Didn't Dante get the motto for The Inferno from Islam?

"Abandon All Hope Ye Who Enter Here"

(The only religion about as profound as a Chinese Finger Puzzle.)

The Surpreme Court Lawsuit:

The American People Versus The Koran-

Is Islam Really Only Organized Terror, Merely Masquerading as a 'religion'?

Ubi jus incertum, ibi jus nullum.

[Where justice is uncertain, there is no justice.]

Posted by: profitsbeard at July 6, 2006 1:30 AM

This from the front page of the American Muslim Council website, with my own emphasis added in bold:

What's Happening in the Senate
Wednesday, 03/15/2006
By Ali Khan

The Senate Judiciary Committee is reviewing an immigration bill proposed by Senator Arlen Specter. The bill currently contains provisions on mandatory and indefinite detention, limitations on access to the courts, and criminalization of undocumented immigrants. Basic rights to due process, a fair trial, and freedom from arbitrary and indefinite detention are threatened by these provisions.

---

Now, all of us knowing so much about the nature of Sharia Law and the Qur'an and the Hadith have to just sit here in awe at the audacity of these Muslims. They come here and openly declare their intent to usurp Canada and the United States from beneath us by "peaceful means", but by any means they use our own laws to do their own work for them, and when they even smell a hint of something that might deter them from this goal we see the twisting of the truth as in the above bold print.

Isn't it amazing how they don't care one iota about the illegal immigration problem? Enforcing our laws to stop illegal immigration is an impediment to their goal of Islamization of North America, so it must be "suspect" in their view of course. But more than this. It shows what I have suspected for a long time: that illegal immigration and Muslim immigration are not separate at all. How many of these people get smuggled across the borders of the U.S.A.? How many of them are using the false W2s I hear about? How many are in the 'system' collecting welfare while they make as many babies as possible to further the ultimate goals of Islam, each new baby a new American citizen when they are born by our current laws (that no doubt need changing)?

I just sent the AMC a message. Let them start to realize that their days are numbered in the United States. Let them worry even more because they will know that the gig is up.

"There's the door over there. Don't trip over your burka on the way out!"

Posted by: Foehammer at July 6, 2006 1:32 AM

This guy is a Sunday School Teacher in Lansing, MI

http://lansingislam.com/sunday.htm

Posted by: Islam is Fasicism at July 6, 2006 1:41 AM

Islam will not, can not, mix with the laws and ways of the U.S.A. Once this basic form is understood, then it will up to one choice.

Islam must leave, one way or another.

Posted by: Islofob IS-1 at July 6, 2006 2:04 AM

"The school teaches Quran, Hadith, Seerah, Islamic ethics and moral values. The school also arranges social events for the children, like parties, trips, and end-of-the year program. Some of these social events are open to all children in the community whether or not they attend the Sunday school. To register your child in the school you need to complete a registration form, available from the school principal during school hours."

"...open to all children..."

Yes, I'm sure. Don't miss a chance to "revert" some young minds, but how dare any Christians even pray openly in Saudi Arabia, let alone preach the Gospel to Muslims.

Sheer and utter hypocrisy.

The Cult of Death spreads and most Americans still don't seem to mind at all.

Posted by: Foehammer at July 6, 2006 2:06 AM

I, too have sent an email to the AMC. I included Sister Nazra's letter and asked them if she is correct about death for apostasy.

I'm in the process of sending a similar email to my congressman.

I'll send one to each of my Senators, but I'm not quite sure they'll get it (Feinstein & Boxr), as they don't 'get it' about illegal immigration, either.

Posted by: PRCS at July 6, 2006 2:26 AM

Desidude, Television, Jimmy;

I stand corrected. Thanks for the feedback.

Posted by: limes at July 6, 2006 2:37 AM

lbbysmom, l dont think it matters where you head in the US, mo are spreading. they dont like the north though. my family came from north of the "French River" seems to be the divide of the mo's. they dont last one winter and go back south. when it gets too hot and humid here in the summer long for the nice cool nights of the north, will end up there someday.
land of the north, free of the mos.

Posted by: Lulu at July 6, 2006 6:58 AM

After reading some of the koranic explanations above I think the mo's are obssessed with sex!

And.....

>>>>Luxemberg's research suggests that the Arabic word for maidens was a mistranscription from the Syriac word for grapes.

Grapes! The suicide bombers will actually get grapes, not maidens. What a shock that must be!
"I blew myself up for a new bowl of grapes every day? What a ripoff!"

I don't think they will get either grapes or maidens but that is just my humble opinion.

Posted by: Jimmy Bones

Someone better tell them you can't screw a grape, so why bother to die for one or even 72?

No wonder they don't correct the translation!

(Irshad Manji translates this as "raisin".)

Posted by: Gramfan at July 6, 2006 7:13 AM

Forgot to add the words, "Holy Book".

Posted by: bigcatgirl13106 at July 6, 2006 7:39 AM

henry,

"Don't matter who they are - mother, father, friend, wife, son, daughter - they will kill you, count on it! What do you expect? It's in the book, take a look! The Koran is written by the most feared God in the universe. Every word is absolutely perfect. To be happy and live forever, all you need to do is do what it says! And here is all it really says, "Murder anyone who fails to become a Muslim after a decent amount of time has passed, or else agrees to become a slave, or a low servant without the rights of a full fledged human being. This is mandated to happen to all who do not become Muslims (privileged class slaves to the interpreters of the Koran on high). Let Muslims stay in your town and sooner or later you and your children are going to get murdered or enslaved. Nothing else can happen. Think! Then take your pick, such as it is. Here comes the Judge! "

What you have said proves that the Koran NEVER, ever came from God. Rather I do believe that Muhammed wrote it all down, despite that it is said that he could not read or write, that it simply not true. This is also proof he is a false prophet and allah is not the God of the Holy Bible.

Posted by: bigcatgirl13106 at July 6, 2006 7:44 AM

from above--

Please do not ask us Muslims to pick some rules and disregard other rules. Muslims are supposed to embrace Islam in its totality.

-- This is precisely what the world needs to realize. This is what the appeasers and dhimmicrats in the USA fail to believe. This is what is causing daily death in the world today at the hands of the Religion of Peace.

WAKEUP WORLD, the Religion of Peace is openly promising to kill you.

Posted by: exsgtbrown at July 6, 2006 8:04 AM

Re: Nazra Quraishi.

Some Muslims are quite willing to come out and defend the punishment (death) for apostasy.

We need to know the percentage of Muslims who accept the Islamic apostasy and blasphemy laws. The figure of about 40% (estimated based on the number of Canadian and British Muslims who claim they want sharia law) gives us an approximation. The percentage is likely much higher in Muslim-majority countries.

Any Muslim who supports the death penalty (or, indeed, any penalty) for apostasy should not be permitted to enter our countries. Moreover, the death enthusiasts who are here currently represent a clear threat to the safety and well-being of our citizens and should be either deported or forced to go through intensive deprogramming.

I find it remarkable that, 5 years after 9/11, we don't have statistics to answer these sorts of questions. (I'm aware of the PEW studies, but their questions are too general and too focussed on terrorism). Although there is endless wrangling over what consititutes a moderate Muslim, and what Muslims generally believe, this issue could be settled pretty quickly with some well-designed comprehensive studies (the problem of deception, for example, can be dealt with).

Re Mafia. I would not be surprised if the mafia developed the policy of killing defectors based on Islamic influences.

_________________________________________________

Re "raisins." Purified mates touched by neither man nor jinn, bashful with firm round high breasts and wide lustrous eyes, translucent skin (so translucent one can see the bones) matched in age, loving companions, reclining, and frisky like "she-camels in heat" (you will need the "strength of 100 men" to "wed" these raisins).

Conclusion: The "scholar" who came up with this "raisins" business has failed tafsir 101 {tafsir 101, Interpret the verses according to (1) other verses, (2) sunnah [hadith and sira], and (3) reason/common sense}. As for Manji, she loves to quote the 'raisins' bit for popularity/public relations purposes (i.e., it's good for Irshad Manji to say this [it's a way of saying, 'they are crazy, not me, a progressive Muslim'], but it only confuses the public). It is good for a laugh, of course. Don't let me spoil anyone's fun.

Posted by: Archimedes at July 6, 2006 8:57 AM

Lulu, I'm not so sure about that. They have invaded Sweden and Norway. Much to my surprise. And in the United States, them seem to have settled very strongly in a northern state, Michigan. It gives me no comfort to think that the muslims will stay away from the Canadian shield, when all of civilized Canada is below it.

Posted by: somethingaboutislam at July 6, 2006 8:57 AM

The House of Islam...people are dying to get out.

Posted by: Archimedes at July 6, 2006 9:05 AM

"Any Muslim who supports the death penalty (or, indeed, any penalty) for apostasy should not be permitted to enter our countries."
-- from a posting above

Erratum Sheet:

For "Any Muslim who supports the death penalty...for apostasy" read "Any Muslim who does not expressly and repeatedly insist that any Muslim should possess the right to leave Islam if he do desires because there should be 'no compulsion in religion'"

For "should not be permitted to enter our countries" read "should not be permitted to enter our countries or, if already admitted, to remain, and belief in the death penalty for apostasy should be one of those grounds deemed sufficient for stripping people of their citizenship, however attained."

Posted by: Hugh at July 6, 2006 9:39 AM

Islam's 20-point plan for conquering the United States by 2020 IT'S HAPPENING FOLKS - IT MUST BE STOPPED PLEASE PUBLISH IN YOUR PAPERS

http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=33898

A refugee from the Muslim Middle East thinks he has discovered a plan revealed in Joseph Farah's G2 Bulletin. Anis Shorrosh, author of ''Islam Revealed'' and ''The True Furqan,'' is a Christian Arab-American who emigrated from Arab-controlled Jerusalem in January 1967. ''The following is my analysis of Islamic invasion of America, the agenda of Islamists and visible methods to take over America by the year 2020,'' Shorrosh says. ''Will Americans continue to sleep through this invasion as they did when we were attacked on 9/11?''

1. Terminate America's freedom of speech by replacing it with statewide and nationwide hate-crime bills

2. Wage a war of words using black leaders like Louis Farrakhan, Rev. Jesse Jackson and other visible religious personalities who promote Islam as the religion of African-Americans while insisting Christianity is for whites only. What they fail to tell African-Americans is that it was Arab Muslims who captured them and sold them as slaves. In fact, the Arabic word for black and slave is the same, ''Abed.

3. Engage the American public in dialogues, discussions, debates in colleges, universities, public libraries, radio, TV, churches and mosques on the virtues of Islam. Proclaim how it is historically another religion like Judaism and Christianity with the same monotheistic faith.

4. Nominate Muslim sympathizers to political office to bring about favorable legislation toward Islam and support potential sympathizers by block voting

5. Take control of as much of Hollywood, the press, TV, radio and the Internet as possible by buying the related corporations or a controlling stock.

6. Yield to the fear of the imminent shut-off of the lifeblood of America – black gold. America’s economy depends on oil and 41 percent of it comes from the Middle East

7. Yell ''foul, out-of-context, personal interpretation, hate crime, Zionist, un- American, inaccurate interpretation of the Quran'' anytime Islam is criticized or the Quran is analyzed in the public arena.

8. Encourage Muslims to penetrate the White House, specifically with Islamists who can articulate a marvelous and peaceful picture of Islam. Acquire government positions and get membership in local school boards. Train Muslims as medical doctors to dominate the medical field, research and pharmaceutical companies. (Ever notice how numerous Muslim doctors in America are, when their countries need them more desperately than America?) Take over the computer industry. Establish Middle Eastern restaurants throughout the U.S. to connect planners of Islamization in a discreet way.

9. Accelerate Islamic demographic growth via: Massive immigration (100,000 annually since 1961). Use no birth control whatsoever – every baby of Muslim parents is automatically a Muslim and cannot choose another religion later. Muslim men must marry American women and Islamize them (10,000 annually). Then divorce them and remarry every five years – since one can't legally marry four at one time. This is a legal solution in America. Convert angry, alienated black inmates and turn them into militants (so far 2,000 released inmates have joined al-Qaida worldwide). Only a few ''sleeper cells'' have been captured in Afghanistan and on American soil.

10. Reading, writing, arithmetic and research through the American educational system, mosques and student centers (now 1,500) should be sprinkled with dislike of Jews, evangelical Christians and democracy. There are currently 300 exclusively Muslim schools in the U.S. which teach loyalty to the Quran, not the U.S. Constitution. In January of 2002, Saudi Arabia’s Embassy in Washington mailed 4,500 packets of the Quran and videos promoting Islam to America's high schools – free of charge. Saudi Arabia would not allow the U.S. to reciprocate.

11. Provide very sizeable monetary Muslim grants to colleges and universities in America to establish ''Centers for Islamic studies'' with Muslim directors to promote Islam in higher-education institutions.

12. Let the entire world know through propaganda, speeches, seminars, local and national media that terrorists have hijacked Islam, when in truth, Islam hijacked the terrorists

13. Appeal to the historically compassionate and sensitive Americans for sympathy and tolerance towards Muslims in America who are portrayed as mainly immigrants from oppressed countries

14. Nullify America's sense of security by manipulating the intelligence community with misinformation. Periodically terrorize Americans with reports of impending attacks on bridges, tunnels, water supplies, airports, apartment buildings and malls.

15. Form riots and demonstrations in the prison system demanding Islamic Sharia as the way of life, not America's justice system

16. Open numerous charities throughout the U.S., but use the funds to support Islamic terrorism with American dollars.

17. Raise interest in Islam on America's campuses by insisting freshman take at least one course on Islam.

18. Unify the numerous Muslim lobbies in Washington, mosques, Islamic student centers, educational organizations, magazines and papers by Internet and an annual convention to coordinate plans, propagate the faith and engender news in the media

19. Send intimidating messages and messengers to the outspoken individuals who are critical of Islam and seek to eliminate them by hook or crook.
20. Applaud Muslims as loyal citizens of the U.S. by spotlighting their voting record as the highest percentage of all minority and ethic groups in America.

Posted by: sugarq at July 6, 2006 10:12 AM

Hugh,

Erratum Sheet:

For "Any Muslim who supports the death penalty...for apostasy" read "Any Muslim who does not expressly and repeatedly insist that any Muslim should possess the right to leave Islam if he do desires because there should be 'no compulsion in religion'"

Not quite an error, but yes I did neglect to mention many things, including the need for some kind of on-going monitoring system. Any ideological group that executes simple defectors (e.g., simple apostates) should be treated as a criminal organization, and its members need to be monitored accordingly.

For "should not be permitted to enter our countries" read "should not be permitted to enter our countries or, if already admitted, to remain, and belief in the death penalty for apostasy should be one of those grounds deemed sufficient for stripping people of their citizenship, however attained."

Agreed.

Posted by: Archimedes at July 6, 2006 10:16 AM

IMO, deportations/incarceration/public awareness won't happen until the straight facts about each and every disturbing aspect of Islam are examined and clarified through public, legal hearings (law suits/congressional and/or senatorial proceedings).

As long as other folks can claim that Nazra's statements constitute a 'twisted interpretation' of this 'noble religion', the general public, law enforcement personnel, journalists, and our elected officials will remain confused, or in the case of Muslim apologists, able to manipulate the truth.

I think that Nazra's letter is an excellent example of what some American Muslims think.

I have sent a copy to the AMC, asking that they state their position on her view, and am sending similar letters to my congressman and two senators.

Posted by: PRCS at July 6, 2006 10:20 AM

PRCS,

Indeed, we still have a long way to go in educating the public.

Posted by: Archimedes at July 6, 2006 11:00 AM

I'm glad Ms. Quraishi is so honest. And, indeed, if Islam is indeed God's revelation to man, we are indeed under obligation to follow it.

However, Mo misrepresents the Christian Trinity as God, Jesus, and Mary rather than seeing it as Father, Son, and Holy Spirit. He also says that the Jews make Ezra into the Son of God the way Christians do with Jesus Christ. Thus, if God is a God of truth, the Qu'ran CANNOT be His Word.

Nazra, believe in the Lord Jesus Christ--God incarnate, and the atonement for the sins of the world--and you will be saved and your house.

Posted by: Kepha at July 6, 2006 12:03 PM

Millions of muslims, all potential jihadists. An intolerant situations blindly tolerated by our pc multi-culturism.

Posted by: czekmark` at July 6, 2006 1:44 PM

Television writes: "the word houri means literally 'a woman possessing eyes that are beautiful because the pupils are dilated and black.'"

Of course, a woman's pupils tend to become dilated when she's sexually aroused. So I guess what they're promising here is that in Paradise, Muslim men will have lots of women who are already turned on and ready for whatever the Muslim equivalent of the Kama Sutra is.

Posted by: Steven L. at July 6, 2006 2:35 PM

This woman should be arrested for brainwashing children to murder. She should be sent to Gitmo and have the cell doors key thrown away.

Posted by: ethoman at July 6, 2006 2:44 PM

PRCS writes: "IMO, deportations/incarceration/public awareness won't happen until the straight facts about each and every disturbing aspect of Islam are examined and clarified through public, legal hearings (law suits/congressional and/or senatorial proceedings)."

Won't happen. In pursuit of their own narrow economic self-interest, people will willingly disregard unconfortable truths, and argue from adverse consequences: "Even if you're right, we can't accept your ideas because...."

And in this case, the "because" is: OIL. We are not going to do anything to piss off every Muslim Middle East oil state. The consequences of what you want, PRCS, would be the breaking of U.S. diplomatic relations with Saudi Arabia at minimum. This will not happen until the West develops nuclear fusion and can finally stop consuming Middle East oil.

I cannot even get my fellow conservatives to consider measures to reduce the use of imported Middle East oil. They act as if a central tenet of political conservatism is support for conspicuous consumption and flagrant waste of resources.

The only way out of this, as economist Paul Samuelson wrote a couple days ago, is a scientific breakthrough to finally give us a viable alternative to oil. And right now, the only thing I can imagine that would do that is nuclear fusion. Nothing else can generate the power required in all parts of the U.S.

Posted by: Steven L. at July 6, 2006 2:47 PM

Nothing else can generate the power required in all parts of the U.S?

Uh, try this idea on for size: Calculate the vacant and unused square footage of all roof tops within a city. Calculate per square footage how much power can be produced using solar.

Calculate the homegrown industry this could generate and the impact on the economy.

If a whole city ran on solar, producing hydrogen for autonomous transportation, cloudy or night time use is ultimately more viable than theoretical fusion.

We, of course, would have to be much more proactive than we are now in order for this to occur. Unfortunately the only thing that will prod the market to change is grinding power blackouts and/or catastrophic cuts in material power supplies such as oil.

Posted by: Quantum Infidel at July 6, 2006 3:27 PM

Islam is not compatible with liberal democracy. In time it will come to this: Moslems will leave Islam and stay in the West, or Moslems will leave the West and stay with Islam.

Posted by: Chatillon at July 6, 2006 4:25 PM

Robert, I am sorry but you have mis-titled this piece. It is not "Islam or Death". The correct title should read "Islam IS Death".

Posted by: perpster at July 6, 2006 4:45 PM

Steven L.-

The Islamic "Kama Sutra" is entitled "The Perfumed Garden" by Shaykh Nefzawi with Richard "Arabian Nights" Burton's translation being a classic.

The women in Islam may be forced into trash bags, but the men have never been prudes. (At least not among themselves.) Within the confines of 'marriage' (even temporary) they are unadulterated sensualists. Which is why their heaven is a brothel. ("The Best Biggest Whorehouse in Mecca" might make a good Muslim musical.) And it's also why the Hadiths are so full of Mohammad's advice on how to properly fondle your sex slaves, while they menstruate, in order to remain ritually "clean".

Posted by: profitsbeard at July 6, 2006 6:35 PM

Actually, nuclear fusion for power production wouldn't really put a dent in petroleum consumption. Most power in America is produced from coal-fired, nuclear, and hydroelectric sources. Since these production facilities aren't mobile, they don't need an easily stored,transportable, and consumed fuel. Automobiles are the primary consumers of petroleum energy. Unless one thinks that "Mr. Fusion" is in the near future, nuclear energy, either fusion or fission, won't really help give the mohammedans the boot.

Posted by: Eisenhund at July 6, 2006 7:26 PM

Islam or Death?

Most sensible people would probably prefer death if that were the only other option (which, luckily, it very seldom is).

Posted by: pythagoras at July 6, 2006 8:09 PM

Steven,

The consequence I'm interested in is a public which is no longer misinformed about the folks who wish to kill us in the name of their religion.

The Saudis will continue to sell oil to infidel nations, because of the oil MONEY.

Posted by: PRCS at July 6, 2006 8:27 PM

I encourage such letters. This is exactly what is needed - for the silent majority in islam to express its real feelings.

"Embrace islam in its brutality" would be a better phrase.

Posted by: Geoff at July 6, 2006 10:52 PM

And what's behind door number three?

Posted by: Bohemond_1069 at July 6, 2006 11:33 PM

Islam is not only a religion, it is a complete way of life.

Islam is not at all a religion, it is complette way of death.

610 * 623 * 732* 1066* 1215 * 1453 * 1492 * 1683 * 1928 * 1938 * 1948 * 1996 * 2001

Deep thoughts from Mo Muttalib:

Scholars of the nation of our Prophet say, “The tree which Allah forbade Adam and his spouse to eat was wheat.”
--- Tabari 1.299

Islamic scholars, of the Nation of Islam. Bring in Louis Farrakhan and Malik Zulu Shabazz
and things would get real smart real fast.

During the lifetime of Allah’s Apostle dogs used to urinate and pass through the mosque. Nevertheless they never used to sprinkle water on it.
--- Bukhari V1.B4.N174

No wonder Mo hated dogs so much.

Posted by: Alarmed Pig Farmer at July 7, 2006 12:46 PM

I don't know what the American law is exactly in regard to the incitement of Ms Quraishi. Since she is talking in general terms rather than about a specific individual, the US law might not consider her words incitement to murder. She does of course mention Abdul-Rahman but her letter is worded in such a way that she does not directly call for killing him. Nevertheless, it might be worthwhile to examine the laws thoroughly in order to determine whether she could be prosecuted for incitement to murder.

foehammer, I think that America can probably deal with Muslims by considering all preaching of jihad in the mosques to be sedition. Surely America has laws against that. Further, people like nazra quraishi who speak even in general terms in favor of murdering apostates should be investigated, and prosecutions should be carried out even if unsuccessful, unless the evidence is obviously too thin. I think that you can handle the problem posed by Muslims in your society if you enforce existing laws, and if you make a condition of entry to the US, whether as an immigrant with a green card, or a tourist, or student, that the individual renounce any intention to make war on the US, to support or sympathize with a war on the US, or instigate others to war on the US, etc. In any application for entry of non-citizens to the US, the questions above would be asked PLUS an enumeration or list of all sorts of conceivable wars. These would include guerrila warfare, revolutionary warfare, jihad, shooting ballistic missiles, commando attacks, etc.
That way jihad would not be singled out [and it should not be singled] but it would be included. This would mean that Muslims preachers and Muslims entering the US might have to be watched for violations of the conditions of entry into the country. But this can be justified. Any opposition from such as the ACLU ought to be rejected on the grounds of the harm that the ACLU's past hypocritical --and inconsistent-- usage of the free speech argument has already cost Americans.

desidude & jimmybones,
the Aramaic word that Luxenberg believes was mistranslated "black-eyed" is cognate to the Hebrew word -hiver- or -hiwer- which means pale. He believes that in the Aramaic sub-structure which was made into a substantial part of the Quran, the word for pale, close to the Hebrew word, had the connotation of "pale" grapes or raisins, and this word transliterated into Arabic as houri which in Arabic meant "black" with the connotation of "black-eyed" maidens. Houri did not originally mean maiden literally. Now, pale and black are opposites, but there is no reason that the Arabic houri cannot be cognate with the Hebrew -hiver, hiwer- or the Aramaic -hivar, hiwar. Further, the Hebrew word for black is shahor. The second syllable of shahor is h-w-r. That is, the word for "black" contains the same root as the word for pale. Hope I haven't overly confused you. Just didn't want you to think that the word houri basically meant maiden or that the Aramaic word meaning white grapes basically meant grape [or raisin].

Posted by: Eliyahu at July 9, 2006 4:51 AM

Ellyahu,

To me, the noteworthy aspect of her letter is that she has clearly stated that death is the penalty for apostasy and that Muslims cannot pick and chose which Islamic teachings they will follow.

And contrary to the excuses so frequently made by others for her views, she has not cited or blamed social injustices or our foreign policy or our involvment in Iraq or Afhanistan or other Muslim countries or our relationship with Israel or the 'Palestinian' situation as reasons for her belief.

She has cited God. Her Allah.

I don't know whether her views can be considered incitement to violence, but her letter should be sent to every member of the U.S. congress and senate with a request that hearings be held to ascertain whether her views are valid (I'm sure they are) and to give moderate and fundamentalist Muslims the opportunity to argue the facts in a public forum.

And wouldn't it be grand for the American public to see them requesting a copy of the Qur'an to swear upon.

And grander still for my fellow citizens to finally be exposed to the denials and obfuscations and lies that moderates would resort to in their efforts to maintain public ignorance of such teachings, and to the accusations of blasphemy by fundamentalists like Nazra.

Posted by: PRCS at July 9, 2006 1:54 PM