Ok, so now the British military is suddenly fighting in Chechnya and Palestine, as well as randomly executing innocent people in Iraq.

If a crazed Jihadist says so, it must be true.

Posted by: Jesus Christ Supercop at July 7, 2006 6:15 AM

Choudary is a confused, hateful, rascist, bigoted, idiot.

I love it when he speaks.

I take pleasure from the miserable existance he and his fellow goons endure living in our "perverted" society.

Posted by: Turbinehead at July 7, 2006 6:28 AM

from above

The government should admit there are people dying everywhere because of British foreign policy."

---It seems to me that there ae people dying everywhere because of Islamic bullets, centex, and IEDs, not to leave out the Satanic verses of the Koran.

Posted by: exsgtbrown at July 7, 2006 6:42 AM

One of the biggest weaknesses of the whole jihadist movement is the undisciplined*, unabashed arrogance of some of its followers. They just can't keep their mouths shut, even though, from their position, and in keeping with their goals, it would be advantageous in the long term to keep quiet. They deliberately stage counter-demonstrations at the site of the WTC in New York, and now their comrades in Britain are promoting the idea of disrupting 7/7 remembrances by refusing to observe the silence. The more Choudary et al squawk, the more the attention of non-Muslims is drawn to the truly disgusting and immoral aspects of the belief system to which they adhere.

*In this case, impaired ability to delay gratification---a characteristic that, when detected in children, is correlated with later failures and criminal behaviour later in life. Are such individuals particularly attracted to Islam? Is there something about Islam, hard-core jihadist Islam, that is particularly attractive to such persons? Certainly, Islam was founded by criminals and probably would never have succeeded without criminal activity.

Posted by: Archimedes at July 7, 2006 6:49 AM

from above

It's not allowed for the death of anyone in Islam. But, moreover, is anyone going to commemorate the deaths of Muslims?

What a nutcase, maybe he does not keep up with the news or read his Koran. The Peaceful Religion of Islam constantly praises the death of the marytrs and even advocates that it is the duty of every Muslim to seek out the infidel and kill him or at least die trying to kill him. Islamic clerics commemorate the deaths of Muslims daily and in fact, encourage the deaths of Muslims. What a religion (sic).

Posted by: exsgtbrown at July 7, 2006 6:50 AM

from above

Choudary, the former spokesman for extremist group Al-Muhajiroun who now heads Al-Ghurabaa, who has previously refused to condemn the bombings, labelled tomorrow's commemoration a "duplicity".

Ever notice how many different names the Peaceful Religion of Islam goes by. It seems a new group name sprouts up every day or so. The Peaceful Religion of Islam should just keep things simple and go by just one name. A simple name could be. The Society for the Eradication of Civilization Today. (otherwise known as the SECT.) OR The Tactical Wannabee Assault Team (otherwise know as TWAT). OR the Muslim Advisory Division Devoted to Our Gonads (commonly referred to as MAD DOG).
Hey Choudary head, keep it simple.

Posted by: exsgtbrown at July 7, 2006 7:09 AM

This Anjem Choudary fellow is just doing what a "sincere muslim" would do. He features in a called website www.alghurabaa.co.uk which is known in JW/DW circles for its publishing of articles "encouraging the beheading of the Danish Cartoonists" and the leaflets "British Values vs Islamic Values". For anyone having second doubts about islam, go to this website. It unbashedly, spews exactly the same kind of venom that the Quran preaches and the sharia reaffirms.
Recently I read a book from Arun Shourie, a former disinvestment minister and esteemed journalist and now a member of the legislative assembly, named "The world of Fatwas" published in 1995.
He gives a clear study on the fatwas or the rulings of the sharia in India, from pre-independence to present times (1995). The sources of his studies are the books of fatwas from ulema whose decisions are used by the Supreme Court to decide on family and religuous issues for Muslims.
(muslims have their own personal law to guide their family and religuous issues in India)

Inside the book, you find the kinds of issues that the "learned scholars of islam" debate and rule upon. Mind you these rulings are final and completely serious. (the following is not a lewd joke but actual excerpts of issues)
Issues on which the ulema ruled upon
1.If a muslim sodomized a goat, will the goat meat be halal (Ruling:Not if there was actual penetration, but halal if only cuddling and kissing occurred)
2.How to use the potty if the toilet is such that your backside is facing the Qiblah (ruling:adjust your backside so that your backside will not face the Qiblah)
3.Will water still be good for use after a horse, bird, dog fell in it. Whether it will be good after a person (muslim or kafir has seperate verdicts) urinated in it, whether a woman menstruated in it
4.Whether a kafir can be better than a muslim(ruling: the worst sinful muslim is still better than a noble kafir)
The list goes on and on covering everything on how a muslim sleeps, gets up, talks, walks,acts, uses the toilet , engages in sex, and even how a muslim should think. This may look sick initially. But it comes natural to Islam-why-because everything in this world has been defined and laid out clearly in the Quran and the Hadiths. There is nothing in this world that cannot be explained by the Islamic holy scriptures. Therefore the ulema, the muslim scholars manage to get a stranglehold on muslim followers, because they control every aspect of their lives. This is the extent of brainwashing that goes on in Islamic societies.
For a muslim to apprehend the truth is to "literally defy the word of Allah". The day that muslims learn to challenge their own archaic and despotic tenets, rather than blame infidels for their misery, is the day that reform will begin islam. Until then it is just plotting its way to decimation by its own hands.

for a free world

the hindu

Posted by: thehindu at July 7, 2006 7:13 AM

These are the people who call us 'racist & islamophobic...!

Raving, ranting lunatics, hate-filled bigots who should have been rounded up long ago, interned and shipped out regardless of what status they have or claim to have...

Go back to Allahballah-land, back to where Islam, and nothing but Islam reigns supreme and where your agit-prop and jihad is appreciated...

Apart from this dimwit Chaudary there is always the Bunglawalla-ding-dong, unfortunately I couldn't leave a message on the 'Guerny'-blog, but those of you who are interested to follow up on this infil-traitors subversive activities should look him up on LGF:
http://littlegreenfootballs.com/weblog/?entry=21409_MCBs_Bunglawala-_Wed_Hate_to_See_Anything_Happen_to_Your_Nice_Little_Country&only

Posted by: sheik yer'mami at July 7, 2006 7:29 AM

This guy needs to be booted out of Britain, fast! The dhimmi authorities probably won't do it, though - too concerned about offending people's 'feelings', especially if those people are from 'ethnic minorities'.

This is the first time I've posted here, although I've been visiting Jihad Watch and Dhimmi Watch along with Faithfreedom ever since the Mohammed Cartoon Debacle.

If anyone I criticize Islam to ever accused me of being racist then I'd point out 1: my wife is half-pakistani and 2: I volunteer on a site for suicidal teenagers (I was one 20 years ago) and I'd ask them how exactly it's right to get angry about about a 16 year-old girl who's being sexually molested and try to help her, but wrong to condemn the stoning to death of a teenage girl because she'd been raped and therefore was guilty of 'extra-marital sex'.

Islam is just an excuse for evil. Governments don't have time for Nazism in the West, so why do they find time for Islam?

Posted by: Infidelandlovingit at July 7, 2006 7:58 AM

to give the islamic scumbags a taste of their own medicine, all those islamics who fail to observe the 2 minutes, have insulted the memory of those that their brethern murdered. The punishment for this insult should be stoning.

In their hellholes, they apply the most brutal laws, but in our nations, they expect to benefit from our freedom and decency while working to overthrow that same freedom and decency. Just like a cancer cell that needs to consume and destroy a healty cell just to survive. Islam the cancer of humanity.

Posted by: somethingaboutislam at July 7, 2006 7:59 AM

thehindu

Thanks for the info. Sounds like they have covered everything except how to nuture the land they live on, how to manage a loving relationship, how to be compassionate, how to develope ongoing working relationships with your neighbors or anything most civilized and successful people thrive on.
And of course,the Muslim penalty for any infraction is Death. Just recently a tennis player was executed for wearing shorts, a teenager executed for watching a soccer game on a tv, a teenage girl executed because she complained about her treatment by the Muslim religion, a teenage girl executed because she was raped and the list goes on and on.

as you say
For a muslim to apprehend the truth is to "literally defy the word of Allah". The day that muslims learn to challenge their own archaic and despotic tenets, rather than blame infidels for their misery, is the day that reform will begin islam. Until then it is just plotting its way to decimation by its own hands

so true.

Posted by: exsgtbrown at July 7, 2006 8:00 AM

"The government should admit there are people (Muslim terrorists) dying everywhere because of British foreign policy."

For Anjem Choudary only the lives of Muslims matter. We must never forget that people like Choudary would love to do to Isreal and all Infidels what Muslims are busy doing in Darfur. He would exterminate Infidels. But things will not turn out as planned for people like Choudary. His end will be the conclusion of a faied Islamic culture in a world that will no longer tolerate Wahabbism and terror. What Stalin said to his generals with regard to the invading Nazis in 1941 will prove true with regard to Choudary and similar Muslims: "They want to wage a war of extermination? Very well-let us give them one."

The tatics of the Nazis (particularly terror) were successful for awhile in bringing the Russian and other Slavic peoples to submission. But finally the Slavs (with ferocious vengence) turned the Nazi tactics against them until the Nazis felt the terror of a war of extermination. There are many similarities between Islamists and Nazis and both will have a similar end.

Posted by: Frank at July 7, 2006 8:05 AM

He's just been SHATTERED by his £500 fine for the "massacre those who insult islam" cartoon demonstration. That'll learn the bastard, eh?

Posted by: Bert Preast at July 7, 2006 8:07 AM

Muslims should admit that there are people being slaughtered everywhere because of the Quran's teachings.

Posted by: Bohemond_1069 at July 7, 2006 8:09 AM

He missed Kashmir.

Posted by: arjun.sevak at July 7, 2006 8:10 AM

I guess this is the thanks for the Asylum he was granted in '82. Oh, the irony.

Islam needs to be dealt with using force. It is an ideology that recognizes force and looks down on soft (female) values like forgivness and cooperation and love.
Read surah 9, 29. We need to give up the general principle of religious freedom and instead apply reciprocity.

Fight those who do not belive in humanity, nor hold that forbidden what is forbidden by laws of the democracy, or acknowledge a religion of oppression, (especially if they are) of the People of the Quran, util they pay attention to the values of the secular state willingly, or accept otherwise to be subdued.

Well, this they should understand at least ;-)

Posted by: Marvin at July 7, 2006 8:12 AM

BTW, the Israeli use of terror against the leaders of Hammas is a good example of terror tactics being turned against the proponents of terror. It's long overdue that the proponents of such terror (taking hostages, e.g.) see their tactics turned against them.

Posted by: Frank at July 7, 2006 8:16 AM

Way to go Israel.

"Israelis support killing of Hamas leaders "

http://www.guardian.co.uk/israel/Story/0,,1815129,00.html

Posted by: arjun.sevak at July 7, 2006 8:20 AM

to all, from above

There are many similarities between Islamists and Nazis and both will have a similar end.

did you know the concentration camps were designed by Iraqi clerics. (SADAAMS DIRECT RELATIVES, no less). It was their intention to have Germany deport the Jews to Israel where the Peaceful Religion of Islam would attack and kill as many as possible. The concentration camps were a design made for use in Muslim Countries for Jews that were not outright killed. Only Hitlers arrogance halted the plan, he elected to kill the Jews in Germany rather than deport them.

You see--there is a Nazi/Muslim connection.

Posted by: exsgtbrown at July 7, 2006 8:22 AM

To exsgtbrown,

Do you have historic references for that? (concentration camps were designed by Iraqi clerics)

Thanks,
Martin 665

Posted by: Martin 665 at July 7, 2006 8:43 AM

Anjem Choudary is regarded as one of those few fanatics.. you will hear that from those on the left and muslim appologists. its still good he speaks out, and but when a teacher of small children like that one in Langsing, Mich spouts off the same garbage, it does more harm, as she is just a regualar mo.

Posted by: Lulu at July 7, 2006 8:45 AM

Yes I would like a reference to the Iraqi/Nazi connection re the camps also although not knowing of it I am unwilling to comment.

Please do not take this as disbelief or criticism, just curiosity.

Posted by: Zathras at July 7, 2006 8:50 AM

Martin 665,

Recently there was a program on the History Channel documenting the Nazi/Iraqi connection. The video tape of the program is availiable for purchase thru the History Channel.

It certainly was an eye opener. Purchase the video and see. I was impressed.

Posted by: exsgtbrown at July 7, 2006 8:52 AM

To All.

The video showing the Nazi/Iraqi connection is called " Sadaam and the Third Reich" and is availiable through the history channel for 29.95. It could be the most informative video you will see. Google History Channel and order online.
You will see the Nazis got their terror stuff from the Muslims.

Posted by: exsgtbrown at July 7, 2006 9:05 AM

"Most problems today around the world, especially between Muslims and non-Muslims are based on the Palestinian and Jewish issue. "

most problems today are CAUSED by muslim.

Posted by: gorniak at July 7, 2006 9:09 AM

From a poster above; can you layout all the reasons why the war in Iraq was unjustified?

"Many people (including my self) protested against the unjustified invasion of Iraq as many people now know that such actions invented 7/7 rather than preventing it."

Posted by: Mackie at July 7, 2006 9:19 AM

William Wallace Ellerslie:

Your point earlier concerning free speech is well taken: we must defend freedom of speech and self-expression, no matter how personally repugnant it is to us -- in this case Choudary's rancid pronouncements about the society that tolerates and harbors him. As Mark Twain said: If you pick up a starving dog and make him prosperous, he will not bite you. This is the principal difference between a dog and a man (especially such as Choudary and his ilk).

I trust that you would also be one of the individuals on the front line, vigorously defending the right of the Danish cartoonists to spoof the founder of Islam.

Posted by: Chatillon at July 7, 2006 9:22 AM

"It's not allowed for the death of anyone in Islam. But, moreover, is anyone going to commemorate the deaths of Muslims?"

One of the main reasons the coalition went, as liberators, to Iraq was precisely because of concern over the mass murder of moslems, by other moslems. Now the moslems are still slaughtering eachother, and us too. Islam needs to look at it's domestic AND foreign policies.

Islam needs us. They need MORE infidels, to show them how to overcome their failed political systems and corrupt leaders. We're doing them a favour, their societies are broken, and only liberty can show the the true path to civilisation. Liberty is a complete way of life for all people for all time. Liberty is to reign unchallenged, to dominate and not be dominated. Liberty is the natural order for life, ordained by the creator. Sharia has shown itself to be corrupt and injust. Sharia is the cancer, liberty is the answer. Have you reverted yet?

Every day non-moslems are suffering in Israel's Judea and Gaza, Russia's Chechnya and India's Kashmir, so it's easy to understand why the ordinary youth of these nations feel disillusioned and victimised by Islam's duplicitous domestic and foreign policies, and end up being seduced by the military option. What else can they do? Everyday they see their civilised brothers and sisters suffering because of the failed and corrupt domestic and foreign policies of the ulema. Everyday. No wonder they feel powerless to do anything, except sign-up to defend human rights and justice the only way they know how. Counter-Jihad is not optional for civilisation, it is obligatory. It is incumbent upon all able nations to wage war against the injustice and suffering we see today in, and from, the Islamic world. Counter-Jihad is a pillar of civilisation. Islam needs to consider what ordinary civilised people are actually saying, engage them, listen to their concerns and be prepared to change. Islam needs to review it's failed domestic and foreign policies.

It's regrettable if anyone dies, even a "palestinian", but if I had to witness a shahidi islamicide, I'd probably want to blow up moslems too. It's unfortunate, but the ummah needs to consider its domestic and foreign policies.

Civilisation means peace. Eventually, God willing, civilisation will take it's rightful place and rule the world unchallenged, and the uncivilised will live as protected peoples in prisons. Are you civilised yet? Might as well revert now. Islam's domestic and foreign policies are incompatible with civilisation. Change them. Do what we say and there'll be no more counter-jihad.

Moslems, CHANGE YOUR POLICIES. We don't want to have to wage counter-jihad, so just change your policies, do what civilised nations tell you to do, change your laws and customs to respect ours. The moslems have the power to stop all the suffering, but they need to look at their policies, and change them. Accomodate us. Change. Revert.

Posted by: Animus at July 7, 2006 9:25 AM

Why are these people tolerated in the West?
If it was a WASP (a nut case WASP at that), would they be arrested and disciplied?

Anyway I have noticed many new names on JW lately and this is good.

So for those of you in the UK I am re-posting this site.

Well worth a look.
http://www.actioninengland.gb.com/index.htm

Posted by: Gramfan at July 7, 2006 9:29 AM

Torrent link for that documentary:

(you'll need a bittorrent client, like utorrent or bittornado)

Posted by: Animus at July 7, 2006 9:43 AM

Re: "Way to go Israel."

arjun.sevak-

You bet.

Aristotle said that the human capacity for compassion was developed as we matured to see ourselves in other people. In other words, we feel for the other guy's suffering because we see ourselves suffering with him. (Waffa Sultan says the same common-sense thing in pointing to the problems of Islam and its general intolerance of what she calls "the other"). People like Choudary and the Hamas leaders are going to have to feel terror before some of them develope compassion and common sense. Words don't ring their bell-they "fall on deaf ears."

Posted by: Frank at July 7, 2006 9:43 AM

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Posted by: Animus at July 7, 2006 9:45 AM

Followup to exsgtbrown:

Though I couldn't find the online video store, I found this link that could be interesting to some:

There's a "play clip" in there though it does not reveal the full story I guess.

Posted by: Marvin at July 7, 2006 9:53 AM

Frank, in this week's newscientist researchers found that even MICE exhibit this behavior...

Reciprocity is a pillar of civilisation, a foundation of nature's laws of societal interaction.

Moslems, revert.

Posted by: Animus at July 7, 2006 10:01 AM

Thehindu - basically it boils down to this: in Islam, every act, thought, or gest is either required or forbidden. And any self-righteous muslim can assert himself (but assuredly not HERself) as judge, jury, and most importantly executioner over those who have allegedly committed a forbidden act or failed to perform a required act (see recent Somalia development - those who fail to pray 5 times daily are to be killed). Islam - it's not just for breakfast anymore...

Posted by: BunrattyBill at July 7, 2006 10:37 AM

from above

Though I couldn't find the online video store, I found this link that could be interesting to some:

google the HISTORY CHANNEL. the telephone number to order the video is 1 888 423 1212, and the episode is "SADAMM AND THE THIRD REICH", IT is 29.95.

The video lists all the key Muslim players in the plot to have Germany deport the Jews in order that they could be killed or imprisoned by the Muslims. It shows how the Muslims designed the concentration camps for Eichmann and his cohorts.

Posted by: exsgtbrown at July 7, 2006 10:44 AM

from above

Muslims should admit that there are people being slaughtered everywhere because of the Quran's teachings

Muslims do admit they slaughter people, they use the Quran as justification for doing so.

Posted by: exsgtbrown at July 7, 2006 10:46 AM

William Wallace Ellerslie [TypeKey Profile Page] at July 7, 2006 06:45 AM

"Most problems today around the world, especially between Muslims and non-Muslims are based on the Palestinian and Jewish issue."

This looks like an example of Islamic narcissism. Muslims physically persecute and kill non-Muslims in every country in the world in which Muslims are the majority...but it's all about the poor downtrodden (and heavily funded) Hamas (a.k.a. those who target women, children, and infants for slaughter because this gets the most press coverage; and those who have the extermination of the Jews written into their constitution) and their supporters (i.e., the majority of Palestinians).

"victims of more outrageous comments and criticism, which you will find on this website and this message article."

Oh no. We can't have victims of outrageous comments now, can we? Certainly, we critics of Islam will have to sacrifice our lives and our civilization in order to avoid offence. We would not want to offend the professionally offended (i.e., whose core group is dedicated to the destruction of western civilization).

I will begin to take the "outrageous comments" complaint from Muslims seriously just as soon as they succeed in removing the following from their Koran:

The Koran says that disbelievers (non-Muslims): are “worst of created beings” (98:6), are “miscreants” (2:99, 24:55), are the worst beasts in Allah’s sight (8:22, 8:55); (some Christians and/or Jews were) turned into “apes and/or pigs” (2:65-66, 5:58-60, 7:166); are like frightened donkeys chased by a lion (74:50-51), are like cattle—nay, worse than cattle (7:179, 25:44), are like dogs (7:176); they (idolators) are unclean (9:28); “evil” is upon them (16:27), evil (2:91, 2:99); “wicked” (80:42, 9:125); the “wrong-doers” (42:45, 2:254, 5:45); evil-doers (42:44); evil-livers (5:59); they have no good in them (8:23); are “guilty”/criminals/sinners for disbelieving (45:31, 83:29); on the side of Satan and are fighting for him (4:76-77); of the party of Satan (58:19); Allah assigns them devils for protecting friends (7:27); they choose devils for protecting friends (7:30); are partisan against Allah (25:55); “enemy” and “perverted” (63:4); disgraced lives (22:9); hypocrites (4:61); have a “diseased heart” (2:10, 9:125); are ill (84:20); deaf, dumb, and blind, and have no sense (2:171); deaf and dumb and in darkness, Allah sends them astray (6:39); have no sense (5:103, 10:100); a folk who do not understand (9:127); their fathers were unintelligent and had no knowledge or guidance (2:170, 5:104); are “a folk without intelligence”/ “most ignorant” (8:65, 6:111); losers who are deceived by Allah (2:6), and deceived by Satan (4:60); Allah sends devils against them to make them do evil (19:83); Allah cursed them for their unbelief (2:88-89), liars/they lie (2:10, 4:50, 9:42, 16:39, 16:105, 59:11) “losers” (5:53, 7:178-179); foolish and liars (7:66), liars and losers (58:18-19), in false pride and schism (38:2), among the lowest (58:20); the lowest of the low (95:4-6)

In reading those insults, keep the following points in mind:
-these insults apply to disbelievers because they are disbelievers (disbelief is the worst crime)
-the insults are assumed to be the words of Allah and are therefore true of disbelievers for all time, until the Last Day
-the disbelievers cannot do anything to improve Allah’s perception of them (He does not accept the good works of the disbelievers), except to believe in and obey Allah.
-the insulting adjectives refer to the inherent character traits of disbelievers

Posted by: Archimedes at July 7, 2006 10:56 AM

there have been a couple of listings recently about Anjem Choudary and they have certainly fired everyone up. Just as a note to our American friends. Choudary's boss got deported back to the ME, and his sect was infultrated by undercover press reporters. The SIS are all over these guys..so as a force, they are spent.
Choudry was becopme an efergy that British power (media, political, radical) can use to whip up the masses. And he is stunningly good at pissing people off.
But for americaningermany to go off saying all those who don't adhere to the 2 mins silence are traitors, misses extra neuances the Brits have adapted into their culture. You go to an English football match and there will always be some tosser who doesn't respect a period of silence. Get enough of them in a group (singing etc) and they become a statement. We're used to the psych techniques of the hooligan and Anjem Choudary, and on the terraces, we just steam in. In Politics it's done differently, but it's from the same culture.

Posted by: albion at July 7, 2006 10:59 AM

Don't feed the trolls.

Posted by: Foehammer at July 7, 2006 11:00 AM

Ive seen this guy in an interview on some bristish new station. This guy is a crazy person. Born in britain, has no alience to his nation whats so ever. He was asked if the 7/7 bombings could be considered legitimate targets his response (to no surprise) "if you are a non-believer, you are an enemey of Allah". Why cant we get these kind of psychos on tv in the US. Expose them for what they really are! I want to kick this guy in the balls! Maybe he and Cindy Sheehan could hook up an complain about forign policy together.

Posted by: jawknee at July 7, 2006 11:04 AM

http://store.aetv.com/html/product/index.jhtml?id=74647
Here ya go.

Posted by: Carolyn2 at July 7, 2006 11:09 AM

Animus-

Re: Of Mice and Muslims

Interesting article re mice and their ability to identify with the pain of other mice. I guess I'll feel better about Muslims when they reach the compassion maturity level of mice.

Posted by: Frank at July 7, 2006 11:10 AM

"Most problems today around the world, especially between Muslims and non-Muslims are based on the Palestinian and Jewish issue. One can hardly see any peaceful solution apart from one (out of the two) taking over the whole region.

Some comments have been made that Islam should be tackled with force (i.e. wipe out their nations) this sort of response or action will never work, although it will affect its swelling but by killing Muslims does not kill the ideology."

William Wallace Ellerslie : this is an utterly wrong view, you do not have one single proof that any conflicts between Moslems and non-Moslems in the world would become smaller even if the maximal demand of "Palestinians" (Arabs) - total desctruction and eradication of the state Israel - is realized. This would only grow Moslem appetites. We´re all sitting in the same booth with Israel so to say.

Of course, it is easier to pretend this is not the case and those conflicts could be solved without force and sacrifice. Unfortunately, there is no evidence that this is the case.

Posted by: Serbian girl at July 7, 2006 11:18 AM

Choudary sounds like a perfect candidate for an "extraordinary rendition".

Then he can make all the noise he wants during the 2 minutes of silence in memory of the 7/7 slaughter as the jet flies him to Afghanistan's Bagram prison for jihadists.

England could thank us for his silence.

Self-defense requires you to take those who threaten your Civilization as seriously as they take themselves.

But no Koran in jail, no compass showing the direction to Mecca, and no halal food.

(But he can use all the "freedom of speech" he wants to tell his captors anything he knows about whatever al-Qaeda-like plots he has knowledge of.)

Posted by: profitsbeard at July 7, 2006 11:24 AM

Serbian Girl's analysis is correct.

Posted by: Foehammer at July 7, 2006 12:00 PM

Foehammer-

Re: "Serbian Girl's analysis is correct."

Yes. The ring of truth does indeed arrest a person's attention when an individual sees it or reads it. Serbian girl's comment rings as profound truth.

Posted by: Frank at July 7, 2006 12:25 PM

Lets not answer this 'William Wallace Ellerslie' thing till it learns the most basic elements of logic and debate that I picked up in fifth grade. Don't waste your time.

When I read this guy I back off from the computer screen - to avoid the flying spittle.

Posted by: poetcomic1 at July 7, 2006 12:27 PM

Let'ts get the IRA involved, they know how to plant carbombs, boobytraps and in general, kill as good as anyone. And besides, they may be getting rusty, haven't blown anything up lately. Tell them the Muslims support British Rule.

Posted by: exsgtbrown at July 7, 2006 1:11 PM

The creature is very simple minded. There's not much point hiding behind a Scottish alias when one's command of the English language is so poor as to make it glaringly obvious that one is not a native speaker.

Nor is there much point coming here with a load of nonsense about the "Palestinians" when everyone here must have read numerous detailed and lucid explanations of the background of the conflict from minds such as Hugh Fitzgerald's, in addition to what they knew already. As well crash a conference on astronomy and insist that the Moon is made from green cheese.

Posted by: Yojimbo at July 7, 2006 1:24 PM

Its easy to clutch a comment made by few people “destruction and eradication of the illegal state of Israel” and use this as an excuse to gain sympathy from people alike to justify the massacres which we see only half of the story here in the west by the bias Media . If the other side (meaning the Muslim world) collated all the threats made to them by American and Jewish leaders then they too can justify why they want the Jewish people out of Palestine. Turn on the news right now and you will see the start of a new massacre and a Palestinian Holocaust.

Don't even try that nonsense here, W. W. Ellerslie.

The Palestinians are a MYTH cultivated by the OPEC nations in order to diminish International support for an already besieged Israel. It's a tactic that works with the historically anti-Semitic Europeans but it will not work on most Americans.

I have heard the first hand accounts from U.S. Veterans that emptied Nazi death camps and saw the piles of Jewish bodies for themselves. I was raised around proud Jewish families and my first best friend was a Jew.

Your poisonous lies only gives me more reason to crush your sad cult.

Muslims -- they think we Westerners are all fools to be blinded because they are taught in the Qur'an that we are inferior. It will be the weakness that sees Islam ultimately tossed into the File 13 of History.

Have a nice trip to the bottom of the trash heap, Muhammadens.

Posted by: Foehammer at July 7, 2006 1:30 PM

(1) What really strikes me is the cleverly conceived sophistry in Choudary's argument. The two-minutes silence honours all killed in the senseless bombings, and is not directed at any particular group killed at this immoral attack; would Mr. Choudary perhaps be a bit happier whether had we excluded the Muslims from our thoughts? Apparently not: screwed if you do, screwed if you don't.

(2) I think most people are not happy about the suffering of others, at least in the West. Only a Muslim to think otherwise. Yes, there is duplicity here: war is deceit.

(3) Regarding the "To whom it may hurt the most" post - Religion is a personal matter; I can care less whether there is a thriving Muslim following, as long as the rule of law and the cultural traditions of that Nation are being respected and are placed first. If, however, what's being preached is civil unrest and disrespect for the law of the land, then it shouldn't be tolerated.

Respect is a two way street; it seems that Mo, the Pedo conveniently twisted this too.

Posted by: van der Ley at July 7, 2006 1:32 PM

(I know. I fed the troll, but at least I put arsenic on it first.)

Posted by: Foehammer at July 7, 2006 1:33 PM

William Wallace Ellerslie: I haven´t clutch a comment. Desctruction and eradication of state of Israel is proclaimed aim of "Palestinians", I haven´t put this into their mouth. So basically you are suggesting that even though they do say Israel has no right to exist, Israel should not take this very seriously, because it has more power than "Palestinians". This is another myth that a tiny Israel has more power than huge and fast breeding Arab population. It is a shame that you are speaking of holocaust with regard to ANY military action of Israel: please multiply death toll of innocent civilian victims on the Arab side that Israel is responsible for with 100 or 1000 or 10000 if you like , - you will never come to anything like holocoust. And it is not just about the numbers. You obviously have no idea what holocaust was, what the "final solution" was. I come from a nation that was supposed to be part of the "final solution" and can tell you: holocoust is something entirely different. Moreover, "Palestinians" for whom you have so much simphaty are legitimizing their claims on this territory and on Jerusalim from a "Herrenmensch" ideological position. I don´t know where you live, - I live in EU and cannot report that the media is in any way pro-Israel, - unfortunately , your view is prevailing. We hear only of "Palestinian" victims and Israel soldiers are describe in termini that should associate them with SS. Few years ago I participated in Frankfurt in a pro-Israel demonstration (demonstrating is not my thing usually, I am a small enterpreneur and have no time for this sort of activity, but I saw Israel flag and joined), where I was probably one of 3-4 non-Jewish participants on the Israel side. While Jewish speakers were saying both nations have a right on their own state and were mourning both for Jewish and Palestinian victims, a Palestinian counter demo appeared, screaming like crazy. Some of them had their children around, decorated as suicide bombers. Those people are defintely pschypats, they are in state of collective hysteria. Unfortunately, they were accompanied by quite a few Germans (no, not "neo-nazi", normal, mainstream Germans thinking like you). After the demonstration I forgot the Israel flat (I got a small paper one) in my car. The next morning my car was damaged . And I live in a very "good" area with most millionaires in that region. This is the sad truth about Europe.

Posted by: Serbian girl at July 7, 2006 1:49 PM

I ment Israel flag, not flat of course.

Posted by: Serbian girl at July 7, 2006 1:53 PM

Serbian girl

Don't waste time on Ellerslie - (s)he, sorry it, isn't worth it.

Posted by: Infidel Pride at July 7, 2006 2:01 PM

Oh, Serb, sorry to hear about your car being vandalized. Unfortunately, this lack of respect for property is not just the exclusive monopoly of Mohammedan thugs - Leftist anarchists (who are more often than not allied to their supremacist views) subscribe to it as well.

Posted by: Infidel Pride at July 7, 2006 2:04 PM

William Wallace Ellerslie (British)

To whom it may hurt the most

I think that goes without saying, muhammadan.

Please read the article on the following link. As for me (British) I welcome Islam and other religions to enjoy the benefits of our society.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/5158470.stm

No doubt your oh-so-British pride was infuriated by the defaced Union Flag in that photo.

And so, while the two-minute silence came and went, and Britain reflected on how we find, in simplest terms, a way to all get on, the many different people at IslamExpo just got on with it.

Am I reading that right? A £1.8 million expo to try and send Britons back to sleep could'nt even muster the goodwill to observe two minute's respect?

You're not British. AIG is right, all these scum are traitors. Ummah, first and last. Sickening. If there was any genuine repentance from the organisers of that expo the two million pounds would've been distributed to the victims, your victims, of your ideology, who everyone in the UK knows are mostly uncompensated, and even those who have or will get something will recieve a fraction of the compensation afforded to Madrid's or NY's victims.

Alexandra Palace would've donated their resources for the expo, all the store holders, caterers and services would've been provided free if there was any genuine resolve behind its organisation.

But the callous, despicable contemptousness of the fact is that it was nothing more than a cynical ploy to continue exploiting 7/7 for the benefit of its intended beneficiaries, the ummah.

So milk it for every drop you can. And try to forget that everytime one of you creatures opens your mouths - on TV, in the press or here, another 10 Britons are swayed into the waiting, grateful arms of the BNP. You're Ummah, anti-British, and if a true Brit saw anyone waving or wearing a flag so defiled as the one in your link, they'd soon know something about patriotism.

Posted by: Animus at July 7, 2006 2:20 PM

"We are talking about thousands of Chechyans, Iraqis and Palestinians. There's a duplicity.

If they would only "walk the talk", there would be no war anywhere. Peace,peace, peace, - yeah, right.
If this guy and his brothers and sisters in islam stayed put in their native lands where they all belong, where would be a problem?

Posted by: freetoBEfree at July 7, 2006 2:35 PM

AIG,
Don't bother. They can never learn.

Posted by: arjun.sevak at July 7, 2006 2:54 PM

http://www.antiwar.com/ -- LOL!!!

W. W. E., you are a real card.

No doubt Muslims everywhere would like to oppose war the way most of the world fights them -- with uniformed soldiers and some Geneva Conventions. No doubt Muslims would like to continue weakening the resolve of their infidel enemies. No doubt you are walking hand-in-hand and lock-step with the Dhimmicrat Hippie-elite. Good for you, good for them, until the "end", right?

Yes, oppose war. It's not like war has ever solved anything, right?

It's not like war freed the slaves in the United States.

It's not like war won America its independence.

It's not like war turned back the Muslim invasions into Europe.

It's not like war stopped the Nazi menace.

It's not like war stopped Imperial Japan.

It's not like war curbed the appetite of the Stalanists.

It's not like war never retook Christian territories during the Crusades.

Yes, war doesn't solve anything, does it? Oh, wait, unless it's killing the infidel and pushing the rest out of "Islamic lands", right?

A wolf in sheep's clothing telling us to hate war.

E. E. W. -- why in the Hell do you think we are here? To stop a far worse war that is sure to come if we keep listening to taqiyya-spewers like you. No, sorry to disappoint, but I'm old school: I believe in fighting wars that are winnable, not waiting until the "rats" overwhelm us in our sleep with sheer numbers.

Posted by: Foehammer at July 7, 2006 2:59 PM

For William Wallace:

Your BBC link has ruined my evening. I can understand why you like to see the union flag defaced, but I can't understand why you don't feel the same about some Danish cartoons.

And Britons are being pushed into the arms of the BNP because there is no other anti-islam party - they may be a bunch of nasty racist idiots but they ain't facists. Thats why people are voting for them - some of us can see who the new facists really are. I think at it's high point in the mid-1930s the British facists could boast a membership of some 50,000, while the new lot already have 2 million card carriers and growing fast.

Being concerned about islam in no way makes one a nazi or a racist, and I for one am getting very tired of the constant accusations.

Posted by: Bert Preast at July 7, 2006 3:00 PM

from above

American Military Deaths in Iraq
Total In Combat
Since war began: 2539 2052
Since 5/1/2003: 2402 1955

Official Estimated
Total Wounded: 18490 20000-48100

these may be all directly attributed to the Peaceful Religion of Islam.

Would you care to see the number of Muslim Deaths attributed to Muslims?? HINT--it is much higher. And most of the Muslim deaths were unarmed women and children.

Yes indeed, The Peaceful Religion of Islam moves on.

Posted by: exsgtbrown at July 7, 2006 3:14 PM

WWE

No, I'm complaining that real patriots are being driven to support Nazism by you and your crowd - though I think that was pretty clearly stated in the first place.

What really worries me and many others is that because of you jihadists and the ivertebrate responses of our authorities, the BNP are making the biggest gains they've ever had. Most people seem to honestly think there's no chance of them gaining power, whereas I see it as only a matter of time... a few more islamicides, a little more dhimmitude and a far-right landslide is just as possible here as in pre-war Germany.

I do not support or in any way promote the BNP or any other racist fascist hate mongers, including yours.

And one of the best reasons NOT to vote BNP is because they'll have the UK islamised quicker than voting for the LibDems. Nazis support Jihadists, Jihadists support Nazis, as they always have, and with the exception of the BNP they continue to do so, so I see no reason not to suppose that when it suits them, they'll be brothers in arms again.

Download that History Channel documentary exsgtbrown brought up, here's the link again:

http://www.mininova.org/tor/269822
size: 700mb

Watch and learn how your people helped engineer and participate in the shoa.

Few people realize that the Baath party was actually formed upon the principles and organizational structure of the Nazi party. Iraq, because of its oil and hatred of Jews, was an important battleground between the Axis and Allied powers in World War II. Nazi propaganda was broadcast throughout Baghdad, and Iraqis often went on rampages against Jews throughout the war. One of the most ardent Nazi supporters during WWII was named Khairallah Talfah. Talfah was Saddam's uncle. After the war, many of the key Iraqi Nazi supporters, all of whom evaded prosecution, wound up involved in Saddam's rise to power. This special examines the key individuals of the Iraqi-Nazi connection, the little-known battle for Iraq in WWII, and the strange link to Saddam Hussein."

Posted by: Animus at July 7, 2006 3:20 PM

...and WWE, also look up the al-husseini clan, which includes one of the few moslem Nobel laureates, who for some reason decided to change his name to araft...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amin_al-Husseini/anti-semitism_%28temporary%29

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haj_Amin_Al-Husseini

Posted by: Animus at July 7, 2006 3:26 PM

SIR ANIMUS.

WASN'T THAT BIT OF HISTORY REALLY SOMETHING. I WAS FASCINATED. People accuse the Nazis of the Holocaust, and lo and behold it was the Muslims who instigated and help facilitate it.>wow.

Posted by: exsgtbrown at July 7, 2006 4:00 PM

Sgt. Birds of a feather...

Posted by: Animus at July 7, 2006 4:37 PM

William Wallace Ellerslie: You wrote:

"Many people (including my self) protested against the unjustified invasion of Iraq as many people now know that such actions invented 7/7 rather than preventing it."

I asked you earlier on in this comment section as to whether you could layout some or of all of the reasons why the war in Iraq was unjustified? You have not presented any argument for the reasons you believe that the war against Saddam Hussein's Iraq is unjustified;

Please enlighten us.

Posted by: Mackie at July 7, 2006 4:57 PM

I do not support or in any way promote the BNP or any other racist fascist hate mongers,
Animus's track record speaks for itself on this site. This slur on his character is unfounded, as anyone who reads his posts regularly will know.

I have been waiting for the BBC to publish something "positive" about Islam Expo. I expected it yesterday, the opening, but I should have realised they would wait for today, of all days.

Posted by: Granny Weatherwax at July 7, 2006 6:03 PM

I agree AIG. Don't you kinda feel like the house is infested with cockroaches? And you can't wash your hands enough? And as much as you swipe them, they keep on coming. Turn on the light and they run and hide. They're into everything.

The world is infested with muslim cockroaches. Nasty critters they are.

Posted by: freewoman at July 7, 2006 6:51 PM

William Wallace Ellerslie

You sound like Cindy Sheehan! i bet you would also rather live under a tyrant such as Hugo Chavez or Mahmoud Ahmedenijad! All of you far leftists are the same! you label everything "unjustified" or "racist" or "islamophobic" but you never present any good argument to back up your claims. These Muslim aggressors will NOT stop until each and everyone of us is either paying them the jyza, converted into islam or DEAD! I applaud the Jewish state for their strong stance. I would take their Muslim shit anymore either! Imagine if u were kicked to the ground and the aggressor wouldn’t stop kicking you what would you do? FIGHT BACK I HOPE!

Posted by: jawknee at July 7, 2006 6:51 PM

Having dipped in and out of the BBC coverage of the anniversary of the 7/7 bombings, including a late night phone-in, I find it quite alarming that I didn't hear a single voice, expressing disquiet about Islam as a religion, given any acces at all to the airwaves. On a positive note, Private Eye actually had two cartoons in it this week taking the mickey out of Mohammedanism.
(I've just had a horrible thought - what if Wee Willy Wallace and Naseem were the same person?!)

Posted by: wallyUK at July 7, 2006 7:34 PM

Looks like Wallace is another inferior inbred Paki with poor command of English and hatred of superior Western culture. She must get on the computer when she is taking breaks from cleaning the toilets at the fish and chips store. With every stroke of her keyboard she shows the inferiority of islam and the superiority of Western society. Let her keep posting and digging her hole deeper. We need clowns like her for laughs.

Posted by: Bohemond_1069 at July 7, 2006 8:41 PM

I live in Walthamstow the same town that Anjem Choudary the verminous turd lives in. I stood in the middle of my town at midday and I saw no one ignoring the two minutes silence as such. He certainly didn't have the bottle to make a noise about it. Sadly a lot of people just carried on as usual but then they are just here for the money like choudary. But we have created a superior society so we can rise above these petty little men and women from this backward culture that creates murder bombers.

Posted by: DaveMate at July 7, 2006 8:47 PM

Our main problem is that most of our society are quite, quite sure that our civilisation is so superior that others cannot help but integrate into it. How on earth could anybody hate us?

Well allow me to read you your horoscope, dickheads. Your ideal does indeed seem to work just fine with the saner types, the Sikhs, Hindus, Chinese and the rest are doing us all a favour by coming here and working bloody hard. However, muslim immigration has been nothing more than an unmitigated disaster, and if any of the idiots that bought us to this point had spared a glance at history perhaps we might have been spared this.

This one religion is now dangerously close to reinstating the blasphemy laws and altering our foreign policy above and beyond their numerical representation. Not from working hard and doing things that benefit Britain - but from blowing people to pieces on the tube and constantly whinging, while enjoying higher levels of taxpayer's support than any other group by a MASSIVE margin. What message will that send to the non muslim immigrants who are working hard for their own benefit and that of this country?

Posted by: Bert Preast at July 7, 2006 9:19 PM

Animus - I would be remiss if I didn't mention that while hurredly reading this thread at work (and not in a position to comment) - your 9:25 post made me laugh out loud. Turnabout is fair play. Nice one...

http://www.jihadwatch.org/archives/012123.php#c240040

Posted by: Caroline at July 7, 2006 9:58 PM

Davemate
Do you know the Bakers Arms?

Posted by: Granny Weatherwax at July 8, 2006 2:58 AM

Head of Nazi SS troops Heinrich Himmler stated to Chief of Nazi propaganda Josef Goebbels:
“ [I] have nothing against Islam because it educates the men in this division for me and promises them heaven if they fight and are killed in action. A very practical and attractive religion for soldiers.”
http://tellthechildrenthetruth.com/amin_en.html#_edn29
Amin Al-Husseini in Berlin meets with Adolf Hitler and is active in the decision to exterminate all Jews through the infamous Final Solution

Posted by: eloivsdiablo at July 8, 2006 6:19 AM

Well, there does seem to be an awful lot of hatred for islam on these pages. Some people seem to have actually read about islam, others just appear to be ignorant.

I am a Muslim convert, British citizen, who does not agree with Anjum on many issues, but I do love Islam and believe it is the truth.

I did not accept Islam because it agreed with all of the values that I had adopted from my English upbringing, rather I questioned those, found no contradiction with most, read and questioned a lot of Islamic texts, then ultimately found them to be rationally proven as being authentically from God.

It cannot escape anyone that there are many interpretations of Islam. If it is based upon textual or rational evidence then it is considered valid for the one interpretting, even though it may be weak. Humans are not all equal in thier ability to understand matters, so we believe that God accounts a person in the next life only according to his ability. However, we should not allow the weakest opinions to dominate in society, as this is a disaster for mankind.

The Wahabi sect of Saudi Arabia is an example of shallow understandings of many subjects in Islam. They are not the only ones, but they do make the headlines a lot today, and your site particuarly quotes from them.

The hindu posted some quotes from a book about Fatawa in India which address many of the minute details of life, and the islamic rules on them. In his exasperation at the 'brainwashed' muslims, he attempts to state that we believe that there is nothing in the world that is not explained in the Quraan and Sunnah.

Actually, we believe that the rules of right and wrong in such actions are not inherently contained in the matter of the universe. Rather, they are something external to it. When people decide legal matters for themselves then they conflict as each bases his opinion on the benefits to be attained as he sees it. Hence, we see morality and legality in a constant state of change. For a Muslim, he recognises this flawed approach and so does not state an action is good or bad except with some proof from his creator, God. Hence, we believe that the Qur'aan and Sunnah contain either literal rules or those which can be built upon through analogy (according to the rules of the Arabic language) to explain Gods judgment on all actions.

True, today most Muslims understand thier religion very poorly, so they follow the scholars blindly. This is not a healthy situation and it is what the sincers dawa carriers are trying to change. By establishing an Islamic State then Islam can be debated openly and understood once again, rather than the current situation where only the official version of Islam as held by the various country's state security appuratus can be discussed. The weakness or strength of other opinions never gets established as people are persecuted for even entering the debate.

We are not calling for more blind following where the clerics control the people. We don't even recognise a clerical class. interpretation of the texts is the right of every muslim.

Posted by: reason at July 8, 2006 7:53 AM

GUYS:

WWE is a muslim. His comments on other threads have proved it. Ask him to deny it flat out if you like. Ask him to deny "allah" and muhammad as his prophet. WHY are you bothering to feed this troll? He's posing as a native Brit (which we can tell from his speech that he is NOT) and he's just trying to get reactions out of all of you. Why are you allowing him and all the other trolls of late to hijack threads? It's a waste of Spencer's bandwidth and since they are incapable of presenting cogent arguments it's rather like shooting fish in a barrel. That gets old fast.

Foehammer, I have to say that you seem to be the exception. I actually enjoy your troll-feeding!

Posted by: CGW at July 8, 2006 8:24 AM

americaningermany:

I want to tell that I really enjoy your posts. You certainly have been active lately! That's the sign of a newbie (no offense intended). I've been here almost since the beginning and most of us old-timers at JW/DW post rarely as we've long ago said all there is to say for us personally! (Unless something really arouses us or just plain needs saying.) Usually we just read and learn from all the newbies like yourself. I'm glad you've come to the sites; you're a valuable asset to this forum. Keep up the good work!

Posted by: CGW at July 8, 2006 9:27 AM

Reason wrote:

"I did not accept Islam because it agreed with all of the values that I had adopted from my English upbringing, rather I questioned those, found no contradiction with most, read and questioned a lot of Islamic texts, then ultimately found them to be rationally proven as being authentically from God."

Um, you might like to provide rational proof of the existance of god first?

and:

"True, today most Muslims understand thier religion very poorly, so they follow the scholars blindly. This is not a healthy situation and it is what the sincers dawa carriers are trying to change. By establishing an Islamic State then Islam can be debated openly and understood once again"

So no one can criticise islam until we have an islamic state? So you're an extremist, then?

Posted by: Bert Preast at July 8, 2006 9:35 AM

iran is an islamic state.

Is islam openly debated and understood there?

I suggest that "reverts" go to an islamic country to live for a while under sharia law to see how they like it before advocating it in our societies.

Later they can always opt out. Of course, they will be killed, since the penalty for leaving the blood-cult is death.

Posted by: CGW at July 8, 2006 9:53 AM

Reason is unreasonable. This is just more lies and taqiyyah.

Posted by: Bohemond_1069 at July 8, 2006 12:06 PM

Caroline - cheers, but all credit to anjem choudry et al... i just cut'n'paste.

Posted by: Animus at July 8, 2006 12:45 PM

Animus - that was no cut and paste.:-)

And while I'm handing out compliments (I think them - I just don't verbalize them as often as I should):

aig - I second CGW's comment. Good lord girl! You've certainly got your groove on! A veritable one-woman tour de force at this site!

Posted by: Caroline at July 8, 2006 4:52 PM

Thanks Caroline,
That means a lot to me coming from you.

I would have answered earlier, but I've been having to jump through all kinds of hoops just to be able to sign in and post now.

Hope the problem with my sign-in straightens itself out.

Posted by: AIG at July 9, 2006 6:08 AM

Caroline:

You're another deserving of compliments. Your posts are intelligent and enlightening. Even when I think I "know it all by now", I find something new to learn from JW/DW posters everyday. That what keeps me coming back to the point of obsession! ; - )

Posted by: CGW at July 9, 2006 6:40 AM

Bert Priest understood from the following:

"True, today most Muslims understand thier religion very poorly, so they follow the scholars blindly. This is not a healthy situation and it is what the sincers dawa carriers are trying to change. By establishing an Islamic State then Islam can be debated openly and understood once again"

that I meant:

So no one can criticise islam until we have an islamic state? So you're an extremist, then?

Which is not what I intended. Constructive criticism of the Islamic belief is not a problem, insults are pointless and don't further understanding. But what I was trying to say was that the differences between Muslim scholars are rarely given an opportunity to be debated in the so called 'Muslim countries' today. I don't accept Iran as an Islamic state, nor Saudi nor Sudan nor even Taliban's attempt in Afghanistan. These are all pseudo Islamic, where they pick and choose parts of Islam to implement, and leave the rest. The main thing they all have in common is that thier laws are not taken from Quraan and Sunnah except occasionally, so we cannot call the state Islamic if it has other sources of legislation other than Islam.

I don't consider myself extreme, although many in the UK would call me that. I see that many of those who use such labels are in fact being hypocritical as they themselves deserve it more.

I follow a sunni school of thought where Taqqiayya is forbidden. Moreover I am active in the Islamic Da'awa where we call to the ideas that I have presented in my last post, in order that people can be better informed about Islam and create an Islamic revival in the Muslim lands. The ideas that I call for can all be found in the books of Hizb ut Tahrir, so I am not hiding anything.

Did something that I wrote in the last post come accross as acceptable in your opinion Bohemond_1069? Which parts of it do you consider as lies? Which part was unreasonable?

Finally, although I neglected to mention it, I was first rationally convinced of the existence of a Creator, before I then became convinced that the Quraan is His word.

Posted by: reason at July 9, 2006 9:57 AM