:)

Posted by: arjun.sevak at July 7, 2006 12:36 PM

Question?
I know that there have been tribal conflicts in the Middle East for centuries. But how do Sunni's/Shitites justify the suicide bombing of other believers.
Is it that a shitite thinks that the Sunni is not a true believer? Or is it merely a tribal type offense that reduces the other Moslem to state that he/she should be killed.
Or is it that the religon of "peace" just likes to kill people (no matter who they are) and the reason is in the eye of the beholder, in that way they produce more "peaceful" corpses?

Posted by: GrimReaperxxx at July 7, 2006 12:52 PM

Pass the popcorn, please.

Posted by: Infidel33 at July 7, 2006 12:55 PM

This Religion of Peace is indeed strange, they kill you if you pray, and they kill you if you don't pray. ssee below:

Death for Muslims who fail to pray

July 7, 2006

Somali Muslims who fail to perform daily prayers will be killed in accordance with Koranic law under an edict issued by a leading cleric.

The requirement for Muslims to pray five times a day under penalty of death appears to confirm the hard-line nature of the increasingly powerful Sharia courts in the Somali capital, Mogadishu.

"He who does not perform prayers will be considered as infidel and Sharia law orders that that person be killed," said Sheikh Abdalla Ali, a founder and high-ranking official in the Supreme Islamic Council of Somalia.

"Sharia law orders the killing of any Muslim person when he fails to perform prayers," he said in an address at the opening of a new Islamic court in Mogadishu's southern Gubta neighbourhood.

AND THEY KILL YOU IF YOU WANT TO CHANGE RELIGIONS.IF THE JEWS DON'T KILL YOU, THE LOCAL IMAN OR AYATOLLAH WILL.

MAYBE the Muslims slogan is ****it, just kill them all. It doesn't matter.

Posted by: exsgtbrown at July 7, 2006 1:08 PM

Oh, they kill fellow muslims and so called infidels aswell? Oh, eh... right.
So down on your knees and face your Saudi Hegemon or we kill you?

Posted by: Ken CleanAirSystem at July 7, 2006 1:31 PM

Strange faith Islam is.

Posted by: bigcatgirl13106 at July 7, 2006 1:38 PM

I'm with Arjun.

:)

Posted by: freewoman at July 7, 2006 1:38 PM

Hi, longtime lurker, first time poster.
I don't have much to say about this particular article except that it is no surprise to me or any other JW/DW subscriber.
I suspect Hugh hasn't chimed in because he wouldn't say anything he hasn't said a thousand times over before.
I look to Hugh for my opinion on matters of the shia/sunni split because I agree with him that as long as they are fighting amongst themselves they are leaving us infidels alone.
Lets just hope they don't notice we are watching and turn their attention to us.
I know, they always have us in mind, but we need to keep their attention on themselves.
Someday are leaders will wake up, I hope.

Posted by: Infidel_Dog at July 7, 2006 1:42 PM

"as long as they are fighting amongst themselves they are leaving us infidels alone."
-- from a posting above

Not exactly true. There is always time to do damage to the Infidels. And while Sunni Arabs will drop no tears whenever an American soldier is killed (and what fun to blow them up, or shoot them, just as they are handing out candy and soccer balls to children, as has happened more than once, a metaphor for the entire American blend of generosity and naivete), and the Shi'a will drop no tears whenever an American soldier is killed, they both, for different reasons, and at different "movements" in the Unfinished and Unfinishable Symphony of constructing this idiotic "freedom-loving Iraq," this "Iraq the Model," this Iraq that will be "just like postwar Japan that people scoffed about, but it takes time" (a phrase, more or less, from today's hallucinatory press conference, where Captain Queeg repeated every bit of nonsense he has trotted out before about how "everyone loves freedom" and "we can't leave until we achieve victory" and "Al Qaeda knows that if we leave it will win and we can't let it win" and every other idiocy of which Bush and his loyalists, his spaniels, have been capable, as they "fight" with enormous unimaginativeness, stolidity, and stupidity what they continue to call the "war on terror" against those who, in Bush's telling, are opposed by the vast majority of "decent and "freedom-loving" people in Iraq and all over the Middle East. Where has he been and what does he know and why is he completely impervious to reality? Does no one go up to him and try, in that tritest of phrases, "to speak truth to power"? Is there not a single general in Iraq qho will tell him not that Rumsfeld "needs to go" and not that "we need more troops" but that we need to let the sectarian and ethnic fissures work in our favor, and get out now (mouthing, if you wish, all kinds of phrases about how "it is now time for the Iraqs to take responsiblity for their own destiny blah blah." Carter was the worst president in American history. Bush, if he keeps squandering resources in Iraq, and refuses to identify, articulate, and then use all the weapons of counter-Jihad that will fittingly check all the weapons of Jihad, including propaganda to divide and demoralize the Camp of Islam. And that will require a much less sentimental view (the false sentimentality of Bush, that child of privilege, who has never had to think, and who wallows in some carefully-undefined abstract idea of "freedom") of how to deal with Islam.

There are a number of chiefly Shi'a Muslim-for-identification-purposes-only Muslims -- Fouad Ajami and Amir Taheri come instantly to mind. They have promoted the Iraq venture for their own reasons. For in their world view the Muslims and Islam are not to be divided and demoralized, but the best to be cultivated, and "reform" somehow achieved. It is understandable that they should wish to think that way. It is understandable that they should wish to prevent the ruthless exploitation, by the West, of the divisions within Islam. But their interests are not ours. They are good, as far as they go (on, say, the meretriciousness of the Arab leaders), but where we need to go now they are not of help. The celebatory article on Iraq by Taheri, for example, in a recent "Commentary," sounded as if written by a Bush flunkie, with all of its talk of "progress" in Iraq of the hospitals, shcools, "free elections" kind. There was even a statement, utterly false, about how Iraqis abroad were flocking back and only a few were leaving. Those "few" include many of the Christans and the professional class which overlaps with it -- the doctors, for example.

Taheri and Ajami want justice for the Shi'a, and the Shi'a got their justice. And they would like the Americans to stay, to make sure that things go well for those Shi'a in Iraq. But Infidel s have another goal. We should wish somehing like the Iran-Iraq War, and should further wish that money, men, materiel, are sent from Saudi Arabia (and Egypt, Jordan, Syria, other Gulf states) to the Sunnis, not only to rescue them but to reestablish their dominance, while Iran, along with Hezbollah volunteers from Lebanon, and possibly even from Bahrain (where a Sunni Arab rules over Shi'a who make up 70% of the pouplation), or Yemen (where the population is split), or even the Eastern (Al-Hasa) Provicne of Saudi Arabia, send volunteers and other aid to the Shi'a. Ajami and Taheri would recoil at this idea. Bush, with his messianic freedom-bearing nonsense, would recoil.

But why should we? Why should people who have correctly identified the war not as a "war on terror" but as a war, a world-wide war, of self-defense by Infidels, many of whom are still unaware and are certainy not helped by the inarticulate, confused performance of Bush, against the promoters of Jihad and all the instruments of Jihad (war, the money weapon, Da'wa, demographic conquest), wish anything but a situation that will divide and demoralize the camp of Islam?

Posted by: Hugh at July 7, 2006 2:14 PM

I stand corrected, Thank you Hugh for your insight once again.

Posted by: Infidel_Dog at July 7, 2006 2:29 PM

This is just another example of the ‘peace’ that our Muslim overlords are prepared to give to the world.

Let’s just assume for a minute that Islam will, as many Muslims would believe, rule the world –the entire face of the planet covered with Islam. A horrible thing to think, but who would be stupid enough to think that the violence would stop as soon as the world bowed facing Mecca?

How many different kinds of ‘Muslims’ are there? Kurds, Sunnis, Shiites …and numerous others. Those are only the few in Iraq, too, and the violence isn’t slowing down any, is it? The few I named aren’t even the worst of the lot …those Wahabists don’t sound too terribly friendly, either. Who in their right mind would think that the violence would stop if EVERYONE became Islamic?

Islam is a foul, putrid cesspool of hatred and violence. Even among themselves they can’t get along. How could anyone possibly expect them to get along with anyone as vastly different from them as we are?

Islam does not play nice with others.

Posted by: illustr8rg8r at July 7, 2006 3:25 PM

Rather them than us. I think the infidel countries should consider sending in spies / agents that will disguise as mullahs and instigate hatred between the different sects of Islam. They should say to every sect something like, it is becasue of the other sects that the true Islam is losing its true power and that Allah would want the true Islam to be made the most powerful. Then just sit back and watch the fun.

Posted by: SafetyFirst at July 7, 2006 3:33 PM

Exploiting fissures in Islam is easy and should be done at every opportunity. Here is another:

A hadith (or tradition) ascribed to the prophet Muhammad:

My nation will be divided into 73 sects, all of them will be in the Fire except for one (the saved sect)...

exploit every fissure, every irrational fear, every superstitition, every rumor one can dream up, every hoax, every lie.... believers are slaves in mind and response. They are conditioned. We need to begin serious psychological manipulation... systematic.

We need to exploit the absolute rigidity of the system in all of its inflexibility and vulnerability.

We could do much. We could say much over Radio Free Infidel and the 'Voice of the True Believer' broadcast all over the pan-islamic world.... how someone has seen this or that or that astronauts rose to the seventh heaven and allah talked to them.. et cetera.

The possibilities are endless. WE ARE the WILL of ALLAH if only we could see how to use it...

Posted by: A_Plague_on_Both_Houses at July 7, 2006 3:52 PM

Yes! Divide and conquer!

Posted by: jawknee at July 7, 2006 3:55 PM

we need to do the numbers for them... 999 out of 1,000 Muslims go to hell. Most Muslim women do ( that's obvious) 72 of the 73 sects go to hell. only 70,000 or 77,000 souls get there eventually. only killers and martyrs get there for sure.

this is all attributed to Mohammed. 70,000 out of all the Ummah is something that needs to be stressed.

Hey muslims, almost every one of you is going to hell if you haven't killed or died in jihad.

You're fighting against some serious odds people.

Thats .007 of 1% of those PRESENTLY living.

Allah hates muslims. The proof is in what Mohammed said and also all around us everyday. Muslims are dirty, poor, illiterate, have nothing but more children to feed, suffer the worst in every kind of war and natural disaster and on and on.

Muslims - your allah hates you. Give it up and free yourself.

Posted by: A_Plague_on_Both_Houses at July 7, 2006 4:00 PM

Must be the Joooz.
Arjun & freewoman, agreed, but I have a big nose.
:-)

Posted by: Bohemond_1069 at July 7, 2006 4:43 PM

A_Plague_on_Both_Houses,

I’ve always considered the Muslims a foolish bunch and completely prone to believing whatever nonsense that’s given to them by their clerics or imams. I’ve always thought that the perfect falsehood to throw their way is the creation (whether real or imagined, it doesn’t matter) of a device by the infidels (they’re a tricky, advanced bunch, of course) that is able to capture a Muslim’s soul upon departure from the body.

We have satellites, we’ve gone to the moon …why not some soul-sucking device that captures the Muslim’s soul before it reaches Allah? On top of that, get them to believe that the infidels are using Muslim souls to enhance or further our abilities against them. Using them as ‘fuel’, so to speak.

Why blow yourself up if the infidels will snatch you up before you can reach paradise?

Get Lucas to supply the CGI effects, get some nitwit in a uniform to act out some ‘top secret’ discussions (complete with grainy filming …think ‘alien autopsy’ here) get your cleric or imam to spread the word …next thing you know, there just might be less Muslims popping like JiffyPop popcorn and maybe have some peace and quiet for a change.

Ha! I’m dreaming, that’s for sure. I know the truth to ‘peace on earth’ …we’ll have it once we’re all dead.

Posted by: illustr8rg8r at July 7, 2006 4:54 PM

Rather them than us. I think the infidel countries should consider sending in spies / agents that will disguise as mullahs and instigate hatred between the different sects of Islam. They should say to every sect something like, it is becasue of the other sects that the true Islam is losing its true power and that Allah would want the true Islam to be made the most powerful. Then just sit back and watch the fun. Posted by: SafetyFirst

Welcome to J/W.

Good thinking, but it's a redundant exercise, and we infidels needn't bother - left to themselves, they'd do a perfectly good job on their own. All we need to do is reduce the number of real infidels in such lands - Assyrian and Chaldean Christians in Iraq in this case by getting them asylum to bilad-ul-kafir, so that there is no unifying target for Shia, Sunni, Kurd and Turk to unite against, and therefore, they can freely fight each other.

Besides, there is always the risk not only of the spies getting caught and killed: not only is precious infidel blood wasted, but it also gives Muslims a reason to unite against Infidels. While Muslims are always going to regard infidels as the enemy, as Hugh points out above, they would at least be pre-occupied in their own campaign in establishing their own brand of Islam as the genuine article. No reason why there should be any infidel diversion from what would be the real inner-Jihad i.e. the Muslim on Muslim Jihad.

Posted by: Infidel Pride at July 7, 2006 5:20 PM

Truly a cult of death. When they don't have indidels to kill they kill each other. Pathetic.

Posted by: Bohemond_1069 at July 7, 2006 6:56 PM

At least we know that, whatever else applies, Allah has a devilish sense of humor.

Shi'ites: No, He doesn't!

Sunnis: Yes, He does!

[AK-47's and mortars exchange fire in 'holy' debate.]

The endless bi-polar war of schizo-Islam slaughters on.

The more they are at one another's throats, the safer our necks are.

Inshallah!

Posted by: profitsbeard at July 7, 2006 8:29 PM

Here's a link to a Canadian Islamic website that appears to denounce the attacks on Iraqi Mosques but blames the violence on the Americans who have this secret Conspiracy to divide Muslims
in Iraq so they fight each other.

Muslims just can't get to the point of accepting that maybe,just maybe they are wrong and the are rersponsibile for thier actions.

Posted by: ala-sux at July 7, 2006 8:30 PM

Here's a link to a Canadian Islamic website that appears to denounce the attacks on Iraqi Mosques but blames the violence on the Americans who have this secret Conspiracy to divide Muslims
in Iraq so they fight each other.

Muslims just can't get to the point of accepting that maybe,just maybe they are wrong and the are rersponsibile for thier actions.

http://www.cig.ca./home.php

Sorry, link wasn't added earlier

Posted by: ala-sux at July 7, 2006 8:31 PM

Pelayo-

You don't understand the technical fine points of the ever-lovin' Religion of Peace.

There's no compulsion to JOIN islam.

But, once you're IN, you're doomed.

Then, it's ALL compulsion.

Five BIG Pillars full of compulsion.

And getting more compelling every day.

(See: Somalia. Afghanistan. Iraq.)

Posted by: profitsbeard at July 7, 2006 11:55 PM

It's one hell of a decision....die if you pray (on a Friday) or die if you don't!!! Let me think.

If ever there was a 'lose, lose situation', I think this is it. Thank god they're Muslims.

Posted by: BaconSandwich at July 8, 2006 6:14 AM