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Meet Deborah Frisch, up until quite recently a psychology professor at the University of Arizona. Hugh Fitzgerald has alerted me to an LGF post about her.
According to the Who Knew? blog, "in 2002 Frisch conducted a workshop to educate FBI officers in how to handle terrorist threats."
Now: who is the FBI listening to? Frisch wrote this at her blog a year ago, on July 8, 2005, in the aftermath of the London jihad bombings:
we are all qaeda todayA bit of googling reveals that many in the blogosphere reacted to the London subway bombing with a message of solidarity:
We are all Britons, today.
We are all Britons, today.One earnest blogger writes:
As we join most in the blogosphere today in expressing our anger at the Islamofascists responsible for the cowardly acts that killed and injured so many Britons, we also express our hope that the appeasers of Islamic terror will soon recognize that we are in a war for the survival of our civilization, and that the war is against Islamofascism.
I was waiting for some moron to play the "coward" card. You can call terrorists a lot of nasty things, but "coward" isn't one of them.
Islamofascists. I like it. Kissing cousins of christofascists like Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld, Rove and DeLay and judeofascists like Zackheim and Sharon.
I am not happy that more widows, widowers and amputees were created yesterday. I don’t think the people riding the London subway yesterday morning deserved to be blown up because of the war crimes committed by George Bush and condoned by Tony Blair.
But I am glad that someone said phuque you to bush, blair and the other hombres who represent (sic) the G-8 nations.
And then, a few days ago, Frisch became completely unhinged at Jeff Goldstein of Protein Wisdom, posting these comments at his site:
I’d like to hear more about your “tyke” by the way. Girl? Boy? Toddler? Teen? Are you still married to the woman you ephed to give birth to the tyke?Tell all, bro!
And
[...] as I said elsewhere, if I woke up tomorrow and learned that someone else had shot you and your “tyke” it wouldn’t slow me down one iota. You aren’t “human” to me.[...]
So if you could just tell me the AGE and SEX of your “tyke,” I’d be stoked!
Thanx!
And
Ooh. Two year old boy. Sounds hot. You live in Colorado, I see. Hope no one Jon-Benets your baby.Are you still married to the woman you humped to produce the toddler?
And
I reiterate: If some nutcase kidnapped your child tomorrow and did to her what was done to your fellow Coloradan, Jon-Benet Ramsey, I wouldn’t give a damn.
And
Give your pathetic progeny (I sure hope that mofo got good genes from his mama!) a big fat tongue-filled kiss from me! LOTS AND LOTS OF SALIVA from Auntie MOONBAT, if you don’t mind!Somehow, Jeffy boy, I think you get off on the possibility of Frenching your pathetic progeny, even if it is a boy. You seem like a VERY, VERY sick mofo to me, bro.
And
Just my two cents: The pathetic jeffy boy goldstein plays the jew card 24/7. Didn’t you notice?THIS IS A CESSPOOL!!! GET OUT WHILE YOU CAN!!!!
JEFF!!! DRINK THE KOOLAID AND LET YOUR WIFE RAISE THE little Goldstein Junior!
And
I am SHAKING, I tell you, SHAKING!!! in my boots at the prosect at an FBI and/or state police trooper tromping down my driveway to see if I was a threat to the progeny of the pissant name of Jeff “pissant” Goldstein of the pathetic, neutered, sissified, state of Colorado. I don’t give a rat’s ass whether the pissant’s progeny live or die, but I have no intention of snuffing the mofo’s chillen myself.
And there are many more.
Frisch has resigned from her university post, although she claims her resignation has nothing to do with these remarks to Goldstein, and now apologizes to him.
I am glad this psychopath is no longer teaching at the University of Arizona, but I am more concerned about the FBI connection. Is the FBI so lost in PC Wonderland that it gets instruction from 9/11 conspiracy theorists who openly sympathize with Al-Qaeda?
No wonder our law enforcement authorities haven't gotten to Square One in speaking honestly about the jihad ideology and taking real steps to stop its spread.
Posted by Robert at July 9, 2006 6:12 AM
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I am glad this psychopath is no longer teaching at the University of Arizona, but I am more concerned about the FBI connection.
As well you should be! This psychopath is a mere archtype that exists in the thousands in the educational system.
Why are that not other professors with differing points of view? The hiring committees make sure they never get near an interview in the first place!
Only the like minded need apply! Men not sporting nose rings or pony tails bedecked with colorful little beads need not submit a vita in the first place! Women who are less than 9 on the ten scaled "B-I" itch meter can take a hike in the University system.
Truly sad.
Is the FBI so lost in PC Wonderland that it gets instruction from 9/11 conspiracy theorists who openly sympathize with Al-Qaeda?
Apparently so! Consider the age of most of the special agents; where do you suppose they were "educated" and by whom?
Case losed
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at July 9, 2006 7:57 AM
is it not coincidental that when people like ms Deborah Frisch appologize only when they get caught. Unfortunately we have a huge majority of teachers in our school systems in the West who think just like her, ie Ward Churchill, the pretend Amer.Indian.., then you have the rest of the crap paroting the same from Hollywierd, and Democratic party is being taken over by the fringe element of MoveOn.org. dont these peope realize we non-muslims are under attack, it does not matter if you are black,white, poor, rich, educated, liberal,conservative, the muslims of the koran want us all dead or converted.
Posted by: Lulu at July 9, 2006 8:19 AM
I'm figuring this 1997-vintage faculty page from the U of Oregon refers to the same person. It includes the following:
Expertise: decision-making, probabilistic reasoning, differences in approaching decisions, role of intuition in decision making
A little too much crazed "intuition" in that "decision making!"
Posted by: Shinoliite at July 9, 2006 8:37 AM
If such are the teachers, what are the results of higher education on our kids then?
Looks like this dame needs a couch and some serious therapy for quite some time, but is that the cause or the cure?
Posted by: sheik yer'mami at July 9, 2006 8:52 AM
Frisch is the tip of the iceberg. Whenever you hear people brightly promising to teach our military all about "cultural awareness" you shudder, and you know why. If it were real "cultural awareness," the texts would begin with Qur'an and Hadith, and "The Myth of Islamic Tolerance" and "Onward Muslim Soldiers" and "The Legacy of Jihad." But that's not what, alas, is meant. "Cultural awareness" grades into "cultural sensitivity" which grades into "we have to understand their grievances and what we have done to cause them" which grades into "we need to change our ways to accommodate them."
Knowledge of what motivates the enemy camp, and the rich variety of instruments available to that camp for promoting its goals, and knowledge as well of the points where purchase may be gained so as to divide and demoralize the Camp of Islam is what is needed. Not this "cultural awareness" business.
Posted by: Hugh at July 9, 2006 9:25 AM
I hope that this is a case of "Keep your friends close but your enemies closer.", but I somehow doubt it. My fear is that the FBI is filled with lunatics like her, and a friend set up a nice consulting arrangement for her. Well, more reason for preparing yourself people. The FBI's version of preparation doesn't quite cut it for infidels. It seems like they are working for dhimmis and islamists.
Posted by: Sheik er' Bouti at July 9, 2006 9:54 AM
God!
How it is possible that this sort of mind is prevailing in todays academia of the Western world.
Why don´t we have anymore politicians such as de Gole, Adenauer, Schmidt, Mitterand, Reagan and intelligentsia like Rebecca West or Alfred Sherman?
What has facilitated all those Susan Sontags?
What has happened? Could anyone offer a plausible and selfcritical explanation? Books on the topic?
Posted by: Serbian girl at July 9, 2006 10:43 AM
The anchoress is following the story: http://theanchoressonline.com/2006/07/08/you-are-not-human-to-me
Posted by: ajm at July 9, 2006 11:21 AM
Doesn't the FBI do a background check on these people? I know you have to have one to join, but I would think ANYONE who has ANYTHING to do with them would HAVE to have one.
Surely just because she teaches in a university doesn't mean she's safe.
Posted by: freewoman at July 9, 2006 11:23 AM
"Cultural awareness" grades into "cultural sensitivity" which grades into "we have to understand their grievances and what we have done to cause them" which grades into "we need to change our ways to accommodate them." Posted by Hugh.
I agree with you Hugh, our educators are making a big mistake by applying their liberal progressive weltanschauung to a people we are at war with. Seeing that there is a consensus across the political divide that this is going to be a long drawn out war to purge the jihadist mindset from the Ummah, we can ill afford to have our educators teaching the next generation that there is a moral equivalence with our jihadist enemies. There simply isn't. In fact as this site has proved beyond the slightest of doubt, we are at polar opposites.
The way I see things, we will never win this ideological war when half of us are pulling one way and the other half are being pulled another way by our educational system. This will leave the problem to fester for decades until the jihadis force us to destroy their civilization. That isn't a win in my books.
Our educational system needs to scrap the PC bull and get back to our core values that have made this nation numero uno of all time. I see this as the only way of saving the people in the Ummah. Yes, we will survive the idiotic liberalism of our educational system, but it will be the Muslims that pay a very dear price.
at July 9, 2006 11:26 AM
People of such a mindset being hired by the FBI - and one assumes the CIA as well - accounts very nicely for the fact that we have a continual stream of inside people of a similar ideological bent willing to leak all and sundry to papers such as the NYTimes.
Posted by: alcibiades at July 9, 2006 11:27 AM
How it is possible that this sort of mind is prevailing in todays academia of the Western world.
That's a vexed question.
Wherever you look among opinion-forming elites in the West, you find a “down with us” mentality, a desire to blame the evils of the modern world on the only political systems that have tried to rectify them, and a determination to undermine the institutions, habits, and laws that have made the Western world so dominant. Our universities are infected by a “culture of repudiation” by which the Western inheritance is systematically debunked, negated, or ridiculed in order to withhold it from the next generation—whose only reason for being at a university is to acquire it.
That's from a review of a collection of essays on the subject.
It's clearly so, but why it is so is another matter. It seems to be that our culture is good at producing people who lack the loyalties they should have. That seems to be connected with the rise of Enlightenment thinking and a habit of (often shallow) questioning which is destructive of the almost instinctive loyalties humans have tended to have in the past. And there is a curious paradox here, because attitudes deriving from Enlightenment viewpoints are not readily tolerated outside our own civilization.
I have the vision of an old stately and beautiful tree. A man is sitting high up on a branch of it and at the same time he's industriously sawing through the branch he's sitting on.
Posted by: Yojimbo at July 9, 2006 11:45 AM
She and Ward Churchill will make a wonderful couple.
Bile and vile.
Posted by: profitsbeard at July 9, 2006 12:09 PM
"Why don´t we have anymore politicians such as de Gole, Adenauer, Schmidt, Mitterand, Reagan and intelligentsia like Rebecca West or Alfred Sherman?" ( by Serbian Girl)
We don't have those politicians because, in part, people can't spell politicians' names ("de Gole,") let alone know what they stand for.
Next, folks like you don't have a clue what they are talking about: to put Mitterand and Schmidt the crook in the same pot with Reagan defies reason.
So, there's your answer.
at July 9, 2006 12:31 PM
Ladies and Gentlemen:
A black card or two makes university careers implode. Badly. Continue to follow her, save the postings, and send them to her supervisor, no matter where she ends up (including Eugene, OR). If she persists, then they might equally well be sent to her colleagues there, some of which have children themselves. I think they would all be very interested to know who's coming to the table. Some of her comments border on the paedophilic, actually. This is something that people should consider.
This is fard on all believers.
Prophet Geoff
Posted by: Geoff at July 9, 2006 12:34 PM
Here is her newest "apology"
I did apologize - in the white flag post and on Jeff's blog last night. It's time to move on. The comical overreaction of the whacked out right to a joke that was in poor taste is a demonstration of how nasty, crazy, out-of-control, out-of-proportion rightwingnuts are.
You guys just are desperate for a new Churchill, aren't you. But you want to obsess over the fact that I made a joke that was in bad taste as if that is more important than the billions of dollars we're wasting, thousands of iraqis we're killing, thousands of American soldiers who are dying for ABSOLUTELY NOTHING.
With all due respect to Jeff and his tender feelings, let's move on to other issues - war, taywrism, kooky kristians, etc.
Okey-doke, folks?
Posted by deb at July 9, 2006 09:30 AM
(From her blog)
Uhhh, no.
at July 9, 2006 12:37 PM
Regarding the conference for FBI and other USG officials, Prof. Ian Lustick, UofP Heyman Chair in PoliSci, Asst. Dir. Asch Center for Study of Ethno-Political Conflict, was also apparently one of the organizers.
Can you guess his record on Israel related issues?
http://www.campus-watch.org/article/id/1202
Posted by: Andre_Szara at July 9, 2006 12:46 PM
You can read this nut's postings here:
http://debfrisch.com/
"kooky kristians," yep, lady there's the problem alright. Idiot.
at July 9, 2006 12:58 PM
Please see my blog entry here:
http://www.whitherthefool.org/2006/07/09/incredible-journey/
I'd really like someone with some intelligence and understanding of issues like this to look into it and report why this happened, and what can be done to stop it happening again.
Posted by: bpolhemus at July 9, 2006 1:15 PM
Nariz! Stand up for this lady, already!
kj... Need anyone say more about the state of the Academia? :(
Posted by: Gary at July 9, 2006 1:24 PM
Serbian girl,
Reagan and Adenauer I agree with but de Gaulle? No.
http://www.findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m1571/is_28_15/ai_55410579
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0060573112/102-8864651-6390546?v=glance&n=283155
at July 9, 2006 2:01 PM
"The way I see things, we will never win this ideological war when half of us are pulling one way and the other half are being pulled another way by our educational system."
Two things wrong with this metaphor:
1) I don't think it's a 50/50 situation; I think it's gloomier than that. At best, 10% of the West are on the page we are on here at JW.
2) Your metaphor makes it appear that the ones who don't get it are passive and "being pulled"; again, I think it's gloomier than that: most of them are actively thinking, feeling and willing. Hence, it will be that much harder to re-orient them away from the powerful paradigm of which they are more or less lucid participants and continuing co-creators.
Posted by: Television at July 9, 2006 2:30 PM
Her apology is worse than her original insult.
Somebody's been at the firewater, methinks.
Unless she is a cold sober nutjob, which is even more reprehensible.
And she's in Psychology?
Only as an exhibit, perhaps.
"Unselfconscious example of morbid, anal-sadistic projection, with paranoid tendencies and repressed masochistic Electra Complex. Recommend thorazine/valium suppositories."
Quick.
Posted by: profitsbeard at July 9, 2006 3:08 PM
Hate to ask this on a Sunday, but, any lawyers in the house? Between the death threat to Mr. Goldstein's TWO-year old son and the DDos attack against his site, the last court Ms. Frisch should be concerned about is that of public opinion.
Posted by: We need G.C. Scott at July 9, 2006 4:10 PM
("You guys are just desperate for a new Churchill, aren't you"—Yes!! Oh, wait, he's probably not the one Frisch was thinking about....)
Serbian Girl,
Eric Voegelin wrote about your question here and there. E.g. in Hitler and the Germans he described Germany's descent into "radical stupidity" (particularly at the social elite level). Elsewhere he observes that ancient Athens also suffered a sudden spiritual collapse, so that the leading tragedians of one generation could no longer be understood by the audiences of the next, or something to that effect. He didn't really explain this phenomenon, other than to say that it is associated with a loss of connection with the transcendent, i.e., of genuine religion. He did point out that it takes only a small number of morally courageous people to reverse the decline.
Posted by: Mr. Spog at July 9, 2006 4:32 PM
I tend to wonder aloud also, as "We need G. C. Scott" did. This woman appears to have offered an open threat, via the Internet. I would appreciate an actual legal interpretation of this.
"kooky kristians"? Just what the heck does she think of the people that are constantly blowing people up and flying planes into buildings? What cute term does she use for these people?
- recalled
at July 9, 2006 7:12 PM
So Frisch and people like her are enlightening the FBI on the evils of Islamofascism. Well, now I feel better.
Posted by: OLDPUPPYMAX at July 9, 2006 8:52 PM
Here's some additional frightening infor on this psychopath:
She has solicited funding for recent projects at the National Science Foundation:
"Program Title: Multidisciplinary Research into Critical Infrastructure and Related Systems - Mitigation, Preparedness, Response and Recovery Regarding Disasters and Other Extreme Disasters.
Events Synopsis of Program: This announcement calls for multidisciplinary proposals focusing on basic research into the mitigation, preparedness, response and recovery of societies to disasters and extreme events affecting critical infrastructure and related systems.
See:
This creature has been supported by our tax dollars. NSF is a Congressionally established "Research Foundation". Their website describes their mission thus:
The National Science Foundation (NSF) is an independent federal agency created by Congress in 1950 "to promote the progress of science; to advance the national health, prosperity, and welfare; to secure the national defense…" With an annual budget of about $5.5 billion, we are the funding source for approximately 20 percent of all federally supported basic research conducted by America's colleges and universities.
Write to your Congress member! Tell them to STOP spending our tax dollars on psychopaths like this one. Aside from her psychopathic disposition, I note the feigned nonchalance regarding her job. "I am a temporary worker there (University of Arizona) and I am in Oregon for the summer." Living the life of Reilly on our nickel. She should have her umbilical cord cut, and finally. She belongs in a hospital, not in our Government, or in our Academia.
at July 9, 2006 10:06 PM
bpolhemus
http://www.whitherthefool.org/2006/07/09/incredible-journey/
Just mind-blowing. Wonder if he's on the no fly list now?
at July 9, 2006 11:10 PM
Ovidiu Naso,
sorry for the spelling mistake.
This is why I believe that it doesn´t defy the reason to put Schmidt and Mitterand along with Reagan:
No matter what mistakes they made they all in my view were accepting the value and meaning of the Judeo Christian civilization we belong to, were receptive for its historical, cultural and spiritual meaning, while "postmodern" politicians like Tony Blaire or Javier Solana, to mention just a few, label such arguments as "racist", "nationalistic" etc.
It is of course easy (and especially American JW participants tend to it) to see everything "right" as good and everything they label "left" as bad, and it could be that in USA this makes sense indeed, but things are probably a bit more complicated in Europe where the "right" is often Antisemitic , incredibly Antiamerican and in great favour of winning Islamic countries as allies because they believe they can compete with USA better this way.
Posted by: Serbian girl at July 10, 2006 6:32 AM
My take on this woman: the elevator doesn't go all the way to the top!
Or else she is on drugs (or possibly both).
Posted by: pythagoras at July 10, 2006 1:20 PM
(I was talking about Ms. Frisch).
Posted by: pythagoras at July 10, 2006 1:21 PM
Wow! I finally took the time to read through many sites and threads to see what this brouhaha was all about. She even apparently got a call to appear on Fox News radio program. If only the MSM devoted that much interest to what is being discussed on the blogs re the global jihad! Maybe we should artificially create a giant brouhaha around fjordman, merely to get him invited to speak on NPR and Fox!
Apparently the woman specializes in cognitive psyhology. Obviously, her education would be much improved if she spent a few years studying the psychodynamics end of the discipline. And maybe she will actually take the time to do so during what is presumably going to be a rather long absence from the public sphere.
All that said, the one piece of all of this that grabbed my attention in terms of the substance of this post ("This is who the FBI is listening to"), is that in one of her posts or comments she referred to "terrorism" as something like "tewrism". I just tried to track the exact spelling down and I couldn't find it because it was in one single post of hers in a comments section and I really don't care enough about the exact spelling to go wading back through the sewer to find it.
But the way she spelled the word, was clearly meant to disparage the idea itself as something infantile (by spelling it like a young child or someone with a lisp would pronounce it) - Tewrism.
Like terrorism is a joke and only paranoid, right wing children (the kind of "children" which she has disparagingly dismissed for their Christian beliefs in one of her posts to Professor Bainbridge I believe) would actually take the idea seriously.
That definitely concerns me, especially as Mr Spencer points out, "This is who the FBI is listening to".
(BTW - if anyone cares enough to have me track down her exact, disparaging spelling of the word "terrorism", I will take the time to do so, as I have no reason to expect anyone to take me at my word.)
Posted by: Caroline at July 10, 2006 6:56 PM
Caroline,
With all due respect to Jeff and his tender feelings, let's move on to other issues - war, taywrism, kooky kristians, etc.
at July 10, 2006 11:02 PM
Carolyn2 - wow. Many thanks! Kudos for tracking that down!
"Tayrwism".
Leaves me a bit... well speechless, actually!
Posted by: Caroline at July 10, 2006 11:21 PM
Whoops - I actually mispelled that after you were kind enough to track down the exact spelling! Let me try that again..
"Taywrism".
Posted by: Caroline at July 10, 2006 11:34 PM
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