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The bombings show signs of being the work of Kashmir jihadists. "Dozens reported killed in India bombings," from AP:
BOMBAY, India - Seven explosions hit Bombay's commuter rail network Tuesday evening during rush hour, ripping apart train compartments, officials said. Indian television reported dozens may have been killed.Chaos engulfed the crowded rail network in India's financial capital following the blasts, and authorities struggled to determine the number of casualties.
Indian television reported the death toll could be in the dozens. News channels broadcast video of the wounded sprawled on train tracks and being carried through stations to ambulances, past twisted and torn train compartments....
The blasts appeared to have come in quick succession — a common tactic employed by Kashmiri militants that have repeatedly targeted India's cities.
Posted by Robert at July 11, 2006 10:23 AM
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Those posters who live in India, do be careful and God Bless.
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at July 11, 2006 10:30 AM
MILITANTS !!!
Blowing up trains is the act of MILITANTS ?
So the Madrid and London Bombings were by MILITANTS as well then.
For hells sake lets be consistant.
THEY ARE TERRORISTS
AND
MUSLIMS FOLLOWING MOHAMMED AND THE KORAN
Sodding Militants. I makes me sick. Are Hindu/Sikh lives worth less than British or Spanish lives?
at July 11, 2006 10:33 AM
Uh-oh. Seems like the tension between India and Pakistan about the Kashmir province might be heating up again.
Posted by: seville844 at July 11, 2006 10:33 AM
see
Dhamra: India's most sophisticated intermediate range ballistic misslie (IRBM) Agni-III was test-fired from a range off the Orissa coast on Sunday
could this be the response of the Pakistanis to the missile test of the Indians.?
Posted by: exsgtbrown at July 11, 2006 10:41 AM
A man fighting and attacking military targets is a MILITANT.
A Man bombing trains full of civilians is a TERRORIST.
And is 99.999999% of the time MUSLIM
Posted by: Churchill1938 at July 11, 2006 10:42 AM
My heartfelt condolences. I am sorry we have to go through this again...
Posted by: GreatShaitan at July 11, 2006 10:42 AM
This follows grenade attacks earlier today in Srinagar in Indian Kashmir in which it is reported that "at least 8" people have died.
AP's report says:
A series of grenade attacks killed eight people and wounded more than two dozen in the main city of Indian Kashmir on Tuesday as Islamic militants pressed their fight against New Delhi's rule over the Himalayan region, police said.Two of the five attacks targeted the region's vital tourism industry and killed at least seven visitors from other parts of India.
At least 8 dead in Kashmir grenade attacks
It seems to be a favoured tactic. On Saturday a "suspected Islamic militant hurled a grenade into a crowd at a Muslim shrine in Kashmir on Saturday, killing four people and wounding 30 more".
Grenade attack kills 4, wounds 30
Posted by: Yojimbo at July 11, 2006 10:43 AM
15 deaths have been officially confirmed. Actual number's likely to be much more.
All explosions were in first class coaches.
Target: the better-off Hindus. Most muslims don't travel first class.
Prime suspect: Lashkar-e-Toiba, a Pakistani terrorist group that's deeply networked with the sunni muslims in India and getting safe-houses, alibis and cover from the local muslims, especially a banned muslim students' outfit called SIMI.
This kind of random terror with covert local support is likely to happen everywhere the muslims are, all over the world.
Posted by: Dunk
at July 11, 2006 10:44 AM
Arjun, et al, be careful. Our prayers are with you.
Posted by: Bohemond_1069 at July 11, 2006 10:45 AM
it is amazing how fast the Pakistanis can rush large numbers of military forces to the Indian frontier, yet can only muster mediocre forces to help fight the terrorists on the Afgan frontier?
What is their Priority?
Posted by: exsgtbrown at July 11, 2006 10:46 AM
Militants? Insurgents? Spare me this orwellian newspeak.
They are agents of the devil, following the devil's teachings, and doing the devil's work. They are the final test for a world that will not learn the Truth, and they will cause the world to end in a ball of fire.
Be prepared.
Posted by: n.a. palm at July 11, 2006 10:48 AM
The numbers are going up. AP now reports:
... killing at least 20 people, police said, adding that the death toll would likely rise.Posted by: Yojimbo
at July 11, 2006 10:49 AM
Only the larger attacks ever get reported outside of India: attacks such as the one on India's Parliament in New Delhi, or in Mumbai itself, in 1993 and 2003. The underworld in Mumbai is controlled by Muslims - the name Dawood comes to mind -- and they are, from their lairs in such places as the Bhendi Bazar, eager to be helpful to Lashkar-e-Taiba, or any of another hundred groups, named and unnamed (carefully distinguishing one from another, which Infidel "terrorist experts" like to do, is missing the point -- they are all prompted by the same texts and teachings and attitudes and atmospherics, and whatever their particular targets (Kashmiri Pandits, Indian parliamentarians, railroad passengers, tiffin-wallahs) they are all out to terrorize non-Muslims in India, just as Muslim groups and groupuscules with other names, outside of India, in the southern Sudan, in the Moro Islands, in southern Thailand, in Israel, in Lyon and Paris and Marseille, in London and Madrid and Amsterdam, in Beslan and Moscow, in New York and Washington, in Damur and in Alexandria and Cairo, in Karachi and Kabul, and now in Baghdad and Basra -- wherever Muslims have felt they could successfully attack, even murder, non-Muslims, all over the world, some have attemptted to do so, and many others have expressed, in any number of ways, their heartfelt support for such attacks. The names of this or that group do not matter. The particular leaders -- Bin Laden or Sheikh Yassin or Sheikh Nasrallah or Hanbali -- do not matter, except as a way of personalizing what ought not, for Infidel clarity, be personalized.
The targets among the non-Muslims differ. The final goal, the ultimate goal (if Kashmir were to be yielded, that would not stop Muslims in Pakistan from driving out even more of the Hindus -- now down to 2.7 million in a population of 140 million, or doing the same in Bangladesh. It would not stop Muslim bombs from going off in Hindu parts of Bali. It would not stop attacks from continuing on India in its current borders -- why should Muslims stop their attacks? Nothing in their sacred texts, nor in the model of Muhammad, tells them that they should possess certain territories, and leave others to the Infidels. Not at all.
Posted by: Hugh
at July 11, 2006 10:55 AM
So you think the phrase "militants" is a little indirect?! Then indulge in this piece of non-information from Danish Daily Politiken:
"Mumbai, en by med omkring 17 millioner indbyggere, har i et årti været plaget af bombesprængninger."
My translation:
"Over the last decade, Mumbai, a city of about 17 million, has been plagued by bomb explosions"
Hello Doctor. I believe I've been suffering from gun-shot wounds lately...
Posted by: Vagn Henning at July 11, 2006 10:56 AM
My heartfelt condolenses to all Indians affected by this terrible tragedy.
And how many people have to be slaughtered by Islamic terror before Infidel nations wise up? 9/11? 7/7? Madrid? It's not like this is the first time, damn it! Sigh.
Posted by: Proud Infidel at July 11, 2006 10:57 AM
Australia's The Age has a picture of a wrecked train carriage.
it reports:
"At least 40 people have died. Casualties probably will go up. Ambulances and hospitals are on stand-by," D.K. Shankaran, chief secretary of the state of Maharashtra, of which Mumbai is the capital, said. ..."The blasts happened when the trains were most crowded," D.K Shankaran, chief secretary of the state of Maharashtra, of which Mumbai is the capital said.
Mumbai Police Commissioner A.N. Roy said there had been seven blasts on the rail network, on stations and on platforms.
Officials said scores had been injured in the blasts, which also hit the suburbs of Mahim, Santa Cruz and Khar. ...
Police in the Indian capital New Delhi said they were on the lookout for more violence.
"We have mobilised our entire forces who are conducting checks in all areas such as buses, bus stops, train stations and religious institutions," Anil Shukla, deputy commissioner of police for South Delhi, said.
More: The Age: Serial blasts in India kill 40
Posted by: Yojimbo at July 11, 2006 11:00 AM
Arjun, I hope you're safe, as well as every other poster in India.
I agree with Churchill. Call the muslims what they are. Terrorists. Realize that this isn't going to stop until the world gets rid of these killers like we would a rabid animal.
People deserve to live without fear of these vile mohammedons.
at July 11, 2006 11:00 AM
Our thoughts and best wishes are with our Indian friends.
Posted by: MP at July 11, 2006 11:04 AM
Uh-oh. Seems like the tension between India and Pakistan about the Kashmir province might be heating up again. from comment by seville844
It is important to note that the tensions between India and Pakistan have nothing to do with Kashmir. Kashmir is just an excuse and pretext used by the muslims to justify their terrorist activities. The main problem is Islam's unwillingness to 'live and let live' when it comes to dealing with other religions/cultures/viewpoints. The same is true with all the areas in the World where Islam is in conflict with others, whether it be in Palestine, Chechnya, Afghanistan, Iraq.....etc etc.
Posted by: Razdan at July 11, 2006 11:05 AM
This is awful - the death toll keeps rising. The Age has updated and now says a police official says 104 people are dead.
Posted by: Yojimbo at July 11, 2006 11:05 AM
Goes to show that we are truly is in a world war, WWIV, or the GWOT.
Posted by: bigcatgirl13106 at July 11, 2006 11:08 AM
Heard on my radio during the top-of-hour news report that up to 100 people were killed.
Posted by: bigcatgirl13106 at July 11, 2006 11:09 AM
Goes to show that Islam is truly a death cult, not a faith.
Posted by: bigcatgirl13106 at July 11, 2006 11:12 AM
Monsters!!!
Posted by: Franze at July 11, 2006 11:14 AM
The latest toll is 63 dead and 400 injured.
http://in.rediff.com/news/2006/jul/11train.htm
I live in mumbai and commute daily by these trains to go home from office.
The mumbai railway commuting system consists of decades old operating systems and coaches. During rush hours the trains are packed with easily 5 times their capacity.(visualize japanese train systems if you are not familiar with Indian ones). The trains are so packed, that commuters won't even have a place to stand in the train and often they spill out to on top of the trains.
Now put this context into rush hour(time at which employees leave offices). You can see that these coaches become veritable death traps and they have no emergency exits(pointless even if they existed).
The number of commuters on this rail system are so numerous that the railway authorities can't screen 5% of the passengers for proper tickets-forget security and these very rail-lines are the life lines of mumbai. The only system which enables mumbai's entire employee population to reach their offices. If this system collapses the financial capital of India will grind to a halt.
No-one has claimed responsibility yet. Yet this stinks of islamic fundamentalism and the cowardice that the b***tards are known for. As I write I am trembling with anger. I let my post end here because I felt I needed to write this much and no more beacause my emotions wouldn't justify a rational post. I have to go and find out whether my relatives and friends are safe. Arjun and other Indians ,if in mumbai..stay safe...JAI HIND
for a free world
the hindu
at July 11, 2006 11:21 AM
thehindu,
First of all, be safe.
Second, since India is on the fast track towards becoming an ecconomic power, this horrible train attack does not suprise me. One of the thing that terrorists do is try to take down the ecconomic engine.
Third, thank-you for your comments, you give good presentation of your experences riding that train.
Posted by: bigcatgirl13106 at July 11, 2006 11:28 AM
In truth this is NOT WWIV (very understandable) but is yet another small chapter in the Great Mohammad War or Greatest War in History etc etc. It began in the 600s. What should I say however? Will India do anything about it? I hope they will but I doubt it. I do remember that after the muslims attacked the Indian Parliament our great and most wonderful president George W. Bush hoped for peace and wanted India to show restraint becuase Pakistan is our friend. It might make U.S. diplomats look bad and also at the time Bush was hot for a war against Iraq and did not want India or Israel or anyone to hurt our muslim friends......
My hope is the Hindus will go one a rampage....
Will anyone on this stupid earth do something....Please! Its like ground hog day with the muslims attacking in the morning and who ever is in charge gets up after it is over and instead of demanding revenge gives us the Islam is a religion of peace line.....will it ever end?
at July 11, 2006 11:38 AM
TheHIndu . . . please be safe. This is disgusting. This twit Craig Garrett with properly coiffed hair and his pretty-boy looks just said, "it could be Kashmari militants which would not be linked to Al Quada." First, this is not even technically true since the Bin Laden organization is grouped with scores of different 'nationalistic' groups--each involved in their own little Jihad. Second, this statement almost suggests that those Pakistanis Muslims who fight in Kashmir are 'militants' involved in a nationalistic fight--as opposed to those terrorists who fight against us in the border regions! Kind of like 'white people from Alabama, but not Texas.' Or like Jews from Kansas but not Iowa. Al Quada Al Shmeida. It's the Jihad, stupid.
Posted by: biorabbi at July 11, 2006 11:38 AM
The Dhimmi Canadian press adopted the "Islamic extremists" lingo, but you really need to read the articles to the end to find any reference to the possible perpetrators...
at July 11, 2006 11:41 AM
Thanks for the kind thoughts. I was just watching TV news so was offline.
Posted by: arjun.sevak at July 11, 2006 11:41 AM
Reuters now say the police say 135 dead and 250 hurt.
They are showing a live video stream of the scene. You can see how crowded the platform is.
They are running messages along the side of the screen from people - "Dad, are you safe? Please message" - that kind of thing.
More than 100 killed in Mumbai train blasts
Posted by: Yojimbo at July 11, 2006 11:43 AM
Please pardon my ignorance, but was it already the 12th in India?
Notice the date - the 11th, as in 9/11 and 3/11 (Madrid). That's an al quaeda date.
Posted by: CGW at July 11, 2006 11:44 AM
The first images are being posted on the net. This is the site of an Indian news channel.
http://www.ndtv.com/breakingnews/default.asp?refno=711200685111PM
Posted by: arjun.sevak at July 11, 2006 11:44 AM
Oh they've called the bombings now "a shameful act". americaningermany
No No No....It should be called an "Islamic act"
or perhaps a "Islamic religious act" or even better my personal fav is "today muslims performed a islamic religious ceremony on a couple of trains in India".....
at July 11, 2006 11:45 AM
CGW,
You got it ! It is the 11 th in India.
at July 11, 2006 11:46 AM
More on Canadian Dhimmitude: other news outlets edited some of the press releases, which now read "Kashmiri militants" and "Islamic separatists".
Ignorance is bliss...
Posted by: van der Ley at July 11, 2006 11:47 AM
Arjun, glad you are ok. Really sorry for your fellow countrymen and women and their families.
Posted by: Bohemond_1069 at July 11, 2006 11:49 AM
India's home minister, Shivraj Patil, revealed authorities had "some" information an attack was coming, "but place and time was not known".Posted by: Yojimbo
at July 11, 2006 11:49 AM
Bohemond,
Good to have friends.
at July 11, 2006 11:50 AM
God keep our Indian posters. I don't know if you can be careful enough on public transportation, but keep your eyes open. 7-11, hmmm.
Posted by: Carolyn2 at July 11, 2006 11:53 AM
Me casa es su casa, amigo. Wonder if the TV will show Palestinians partying and handing out prizes to their kids like they did on 9-11?
Posted by: Bohemond_1069 at July 11, 2006 11:53 AM
Yojimbo,
I don't have any relations in Mumbai. Yes, I do have friends. Seniors from my school.
at July 11, 2006 11:58 AM
Arjun, Mumbai = Bombay?
Posted by: Bohemond_1069 at July 11, 2006 11:59 AM
Bohemond,
This time the party will be in pakistan, and in muslims' homes throughout India. They will celebrate quietly. The police are already out full strength to prevent any 'backlash'.
at July 11, 2006 12:00 PM
Bohemond,
Mumbai = Bombay.
at July 11, 2006 12:01 PM
Arjun,
Worrying for you. I hope they're OK.
What an awful thing it is - higher death toll than 7/7 in London.
Posted by: Yojimbo at July 11, 2006 12:02 PM
This only goes to show once again that it is not only the West versus Islam but rather, the world versus Islam - India, the Phillipines, Thailand etcetera.
Posted by: Je m'en vais at July 11, 2006 12:03 PM
I'm back. I'll swallow my ego, my honour. I'll even kiss and make up with the BNP crowd here. Even as i write Shiv Sena shakha near by is playing the ancient Maratha call to arms. My blood just boils... Most of the people dead are Maharashtrians (my people)... passions are running high here. I fear this city will witness riots again.
Posted by: Vikrant_Camberleykar at July 11, 2006 12:04 PM
Police are moving in... they've placed a curfew here.
I'm lodged with my relatives here in Haji Ali (a Muslim area)... In case riots breakout tonite..as a Briton and a Hindu in a Muslim area i daresay i'll be the best target they can hope for...
at July 11, 2006 12:07 PM
Vikrant,
Get the hell out of haji ali. Go to that Maratha Shakha. I was thinking this might happen.
at July 11, 2006 12:09 PM
Je m'en vais, that is how Mo-ham-mutt divided the world; dar al-silam, the house of submission and dar al-harb, the house of war. Thus, the world of islam is at war with anyone who does not submit, i.e., the rest of the world. Arjun, thanks. When did they change it? Same time they changed Burma to Myanmar, Peking to Beijing and Tanganyika to Tanzania? Damn! When I learned all that stuff back in school, they didn't tell me that I would have to relearn it all over again later!
Posted by: Bohemond_1069 at July 11, 2006 12:11 PM
Disturbing pictures on that site, Arjun.
http://im.sify.com/sifycmsimg/jul2006/14247026_mumbai-blast-11072006-3.jpg
http://im.sify.com/sifycmsimg/jul2006/14247027_mumbai-blast-11072006-4.jpg
One realizes they're carrying the remains of people there.
There is something very wrong with an ideology that encourages actions that lead to that, and no amount of PC jargon can cover that up.
Posted by: Yojimbo at July 11, 2006 12:12 PM
Bohemond,
The name was Mumbai, when the British came, they called it Bombay, and it stuck. In Hindi, we call it Mumbai, in English, we used to call it Bombay, until the city council said no to two names. That is why only one name.
at July 11, 2006 12:14 PM
Death toll by now - 100
http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/articleshow/1732742.cms
thehindu, Glad to hear you are safe - hope none of your relatives/friends were hurt. And to all other Indian readers, our thoughts and prayers are with you.
Incidentally, is the magnitude of this greater than the Bombay blasts of 1992?
Vikrant
Glad to see you back. So you are in Mumbai at the moment? Stay safe - I guess this is a bad time to ask why are you and your relatives in Haji Ali.
Bohemond
Mumbai is the newer name for Bombay, but it was always the translated name in Marathi (just as Deutschland is and was the German for Germany). Its name comes from the Godess Mumba Devi. I think the name was changed some 5 years ago, if I remember right.
at July 11, 2006 12:14 PM
Yojimbo,
The scene of a bomb blast is a nightmarish one with pieces of bodies scattered all around. This was one of the worst since the blast took place during rush hour.
at July 11, 2006 12:16 PM
Remember: the koran commends the people who commit these atrocities and lauds praises on them.
Posted by: Bohemond_1069 at July 11, 2006 12:16 PM
A river of blood at Mahim
http://in.rediff.com/news/2006/jul/11firdaus.htm
Posted by: arjun.sevak at July 11, 2006 12:20 PM
Arjun,IP:
My relatives were saved in 1993 by sainiks, i know they will do so again. We cant cede even an inch of land to them...
Posted by: Vikrant_Camberleykar at July 11, 2006 12:24 PM
A medical student told the BBC that at a hospital that has been taking the wounded the "floors are filled with bloodstains"
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/south_asia/5169332.stm
The BBC doesn't mention the words "Muslim" or "Islamic" but is careful to say:
"Pakistani leaders also condemned the blasts as a "despicable act of terrorism".
Just as well someone is prepared to use the word "terrorism" whether hypocritically or not I suppose, because the BBC itself avoids it these days.
Posted by: Yojimbo at July 11, 2006 12:26 PM
Pictures:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/in_pictures/5170140.stm
Posted by: Yojimbo at July 11, 2006 12:27 PM
I've been called by British council just now. All brits to be evacuated tmrrw.
Posted by: Vikrant_Camberleykar at July 11, 2006 12:28 PM
"We should not give these terrorists bail. They need to be hanged in public," from the link posted by Arjun, above. Before hanging they should be dressed in a pigskin or covered in pig feces and buried facing away from Mecca.
Posted by: Bohemond_1069 at July 11, 2006 12:30 PM
What about the 4,000 Hindu Jews that were called last night and told not to board these trains?
On a related topic:
The 9/11 conspiracy-beliver college prtofessor (adjunct? associate?) will be allowed to give that (irrelevant to the topic) part of his Islamic course which denies that al-Qaeda brought down the WTC Towers, but that they were imploded, to further an evil U.S. governement plan, by planted charges.
His university review board said that it will be a demonstration of his "academic freedom of speech", even though it seems unlikely that a Holocaust-denier would be granted the same leeway.
Some liars are more equal than others.
As Islam itself proves.
Posted by: profitsbeard at July 11, 2006 12:32 PM
Vikrant, don't wait, get the Hell out of there now.
Posted by: Bohemond_1069 at July 11, 2006 12:32 PM
The Counterterrorism Blog has a short report with several links to articles on LeT, who're suspected of being responsible:
http://counterterrorismblog.org/2006/07/7_bombs_detonated_on_bombay_ra_1.php
Posted by: Yojimbo at July 11, 2006 12:32 PM
profitsbeard, I wonder how much money the college receives each year from islamic sources?
Posted by: Bohemond_1069 at July 11, 2006 12:34 PM
Behomond,
dont worry, Muslims wont dare to touch me. I'm a half-Maharashtrian (people native to Mumbai and the state of Maharashtra). Last time Muslims murdered Maharashtrians in Mumbai, Shiv Sena (Maharashtrian anti-migrant far-right) literally barbequed 1400 Muslims in 3 days! Their hatred of kaffirs is superceded by their fear of Shiv Sena.
Posted by: Vikrant_Camberleykar at July 11, 2006 12:35 PM
It's now almost four hours after the attacks, and according to CNN the death toll is over 100, with about 300 injured. I am sure both tolls will rise. No one has yet claimed responsibility for the bombings, but apparently Dawood Ibrahim is suspected of being behind them (I know the name, but not alot of details about him).
Now 7/11 joins 3/11 and 9/11 as horrifying dates--and just a few days after the one-year anniversary of the 7/7 London attacks. Targeting rail lines is especially ugly and cowardly--just innocent people coming home from work. By their very nature, trains are soft targets. There were also the Moscow train bombings, and of course the recent (foiled) plot in NYC targeting the PATH trains into NYC.
My thoughts are with the victims and their families. Glad to hear from Arjun. Hope the Hindu is safe, and especially Vikrant, who seems to be in the thick of things. Hope all the Indian posters and lurkers are safe.
Posted by: gravenimage at July 11, 2006 12:36 PM
Vikrant, don't wait, get the Hell out of there now.
Cant theres a shoot-at-sight curfew in place here.
Posted by: Vikrant_Camberleykar at July 11, 2006 12:41 PM
First of all my sincere condolences to the people of Mumbai and India on their losses.
I'm uneasy about all of the blaming going on in advance of any hard evidence. Remember the Oklahoma City bombing? Almost everyone jumped to the conclusion that it was Muslim terrorists. When it turned out to be McVeigh it was a great moment for Muslim victimology. Muslim civil rights groups (aka front men for the jihadists) are still getting mileage out of that one.
I agree with most posters here about who the most likely culprits are but in reality the most likely cause of an event isn't always the actual cause. India also has active Maoist terrorist groups. Muslim jihadists are a cause of a lot of evil in the world but they are not the cause of all evil. Let's wait for the evidence.
Posted by: Malta_1565 at July 11, 2006 12:42 PM
A shoot at sight curfew means things are messier than being revealed.
Posted by: arjun.sevak at July 11, 2006 12:46 PM
Malta,
Maoists are highly overrated. There nothing but jungle bandits. I daresay this bombing was too complex for them.
Posted by: Vikrant_Camberleykar at July 11, 2006 12:46 PM
Vikrant,
Any people out at all ? Police ? Shiv Sena ?
at July 11, 2006 12:48 PM
Vikrant, it's time for another muslim barbeque. Go get them Shiv Sena!
Posted by: freewoman at July 11, 2006 12:51 PM
My condolences to the gentle Indian people.
I pray that we all start working together as sane nations towards the inevitable conclusion, and that is the destruction of Islam, whether by force or by the pen. We can no longer afford to coddle these blood-cultist maniacs who seek to destroy the foundation of everything we hold sacred.
Posted by: Foehammer at July 11, 2006 12:53 PM
"I agree with most posters here about who the most likely culprits are but in reality the most likely cause of an event isn't always the actual cause. India also has active Maoist terrorist groups. Muslim jihadists are a cause of a lot of evil in the world but they are not the cause of all evil. Let's wait for the evidence."
Let's just think about this clearly.
Trains, city centers, economic/business hub, plenty of innocent people, multiple bombings.
Sound familiar? England, Spain, United States, Israel.
This was a jihadist attack. I have no doubt at all. Let the evidence speak as it may, but the obvious shall become crystal clear in just a few hours.
If the Muslims are harshly judged in advance it is only because of the justifiable fear of an entire world that they have brought down upon themselves! Fear is not the only reaction they are going to generate from their continued barbarity, and I for one look forward to the day when the civilized world rightly calls them enemies of freedom and civility and has done with it!
Posted by: Foehammer at July 11, 2006 1:01 PM
Vikrant
I used to be pro-BJP, but anti Shiv Sena. I changed my opinion of the Shiv Sena after reading about how they provided housing to displaced Kashmiri pundits, as well as your account of how they saved your relatives. When they do this vital good, one can't be too picky about the other troubling aspects to them - although one wishes that wasn't there.
Sorry your stay at Mumbai has to be cut short.
Posted by: Infidel Pride at July 11, 2006 1:01 PM
Foehammer writes, I pray that we all start working together as sane nations towards the inevitable conclusion, and that is the destruction of Islam, whether by force or by the pen.
I pray ferverently for that type of unity. All of us are equally threatened by Islam and unless we all rise up as one against Islam we are all equally doomed as well.
Posted by: Razdan at July 11, 2006 1:02 PM
Freewoman wrote:
Vikrant, it's time for another muslim barbeque. Go get them Shiv Sena!
..............
Sorry, Freewoman--I understand your frustration, but I can't agree with this. It's also unlikely this kind of rioting would affect any of the actual perpetrators. Then it would just be used to justify more tit-for-tat violence, instead of being seen for what it is--one more front in the global Jihad.
I hope that those responsible are captured by the Indian police. What's India's record been like on prosecuting terrorists?
Posted by: gravenimage at July 11, 2006 1:05 PM
What's India's record been like on prosecuting terrorists?
Pretty bad. Judicial system is in tatters. Islamists are rarely caught. The trials of 137 jehadis who bombed Bombay in 1993 still drags on. The verdict is expected next month.
Posted by: Vikrant_Camberleykar at July 11, 2006 1:07 PM
Gravenimage, several years ago I would have agreed with you. But, I'm quickly losing compassion for any muslim person. There is not a shred of humanity in islam. It's time to take them out. They do not want to join the civilized human race , they want to kill everyone who isn't a muslim. There is no redeemable quality in islam. I don't feel we should standby and let them kill everyone of us off.
Posted by: freewoman at July 11, 2006 1:10 PM
InfidelPride,
We Maharashtrians have genuine issues with Indias messed up internal migration system. It has destroyed the cultural integrity of many urban areas of state especially Mumbai where we number under 20% less than Muslims. The local Maharashtrians have to integrate with the migrant culture rather than vice versa.
I dont support Shiv Sena. With their odes to Hitler and increasingly violent antics they've become a liability on Maharashtrians. Since 1992 SS has been on a bloody course of attrition which will ultimately lead to its demise.
at July 11, 2006 1:14 PM
Sorry your stay at Mumbai has to be cut short.
I'll be probably running off to Pune!
Posted by: Vikrant_Camberleykar at July 11, 2006 1:19 PM
Malta 1565:
What planet have you been living on? Oklahoma City bombing was masterminded and carried out by a former Iraqi republican guard soldier named Hussain Hashem Al-Hussaini. He was seen running from the Ryder truck seconds before it exploded.
The Clinton Administration and the FBI covered it all up. Read "The Third Terrorist" by Jayna Davis. Then maybe you can wake up and smell the terrorists right here at home.
Posted by: n.a. palm at July 11, 2006 1:36 PM
My condolences to those who have lost their lives in India, but right now, my blood is boiling. Boiling because folks refuse to see Islam for what it is, and the longer it takes folks to see the truth about Islam, the more atrocities like this, and worse we will continue to see, and for longer. Islam is a stain on the conscience of this planet. The texts of the Koran, Sira and hadith encourage Muslims to be cold blooded killers and nothing else. They encourage Muslims to kill people because they're not Muslims, or because in their eyes, they are the wrong kind of Muslim. Islam is the remaining link between humanity and Stone Age barbarianism. And people in India, and throughout the West, must acquaint themselves with these quotes and take them in. They were made by people with better minds than those who run infidel countries today. Quotes like:
“The religion of Islam above all others was founded upon the sword … Moreover it provides incentives to slaughter, and in three continents has produced fighting breeds of men – filled with a wild and merciless fanaticism.” – Sir Winston Churchill
"In the seventh century of the Christian era, a wandering Arab of the lineage of Hagar [i.e., Muhammad], the Egyptian, combining the powers of transcendent genius, with the preternatural energy of a fanatic, and the fraudulent spirit of an impostor, proclaimed himself as a messenger from Heaven, and spread desolation and delusion over an extensive portion of the earth. Adopting from the sublime conception of the Mosaic law, the doctrine of one omnipotent God; he connected indissolubly with it, the audacious falsehood, that he was himself his prophet and apostle. Adopting from the new Revelation of Jesus, the faith and hope of immortal life, and of future retribution, he humbled it to the dust by adapting all the rewards and sanctions of his religion to the gratification of the sexual passion. He poisoned the sources of human felicity at the fountain, by degrading the condition of the female sex, and the allowance of polygamy; and he declared undistinguishing and exterminating war, as a part of his religion, against all the rest of mankind. THE ESSENCE OF HIS DOCTRINE WAS VIOLENCE AND LUST: TO EXALT THE BRUTAL OVER THE SPIRITUAL PART OF HUMAN NATURE (Adams's capital letters)… Between these two religions, thus contrasted in their characters, a war of twelve hundred years has already raged. The war is yet flagrant… While the merciless and dissolute dogmas of the false prophet shall furnish motives to human action, there can never be peace upon earth, and goodwill towards men.” - John Quincy Adams
"The precept of the Koran is, perpetual war against all who deny, that Mahomet is the prophet of God. The vanquished may purchase their lives, by the payment of tribute; the victorious may be appeased by a false and delusive promise of peace; and the faithful follower of the prophet, may submit to the imperious necessities of defeat: but the command to propagate the Moslem creed by the sword is always obligatory, when it can be made effective. The commands of the prophet may be performed alike, by fraud, or by force." - John Quincy Adams
"Ever since the religion of Islam appeared in the world, the espousers of it...have been as wolves and tigers to all other nations, rending and tearing all that fell into their merciless paws, and grinding them with their iron teeth; that numberless cities are raised from the foundation, and only their name remaining; that many countries, which were once as the garden of God, are now a desolate wilderness; and that so many once numerous and powerful nations are vanished from the earth! Such was, and is at this day, the rage, the fury, the revenge, of these destroyers of human kind." – John Wesley
“For these impious people, hated by God and infamous, boast of having got the better of the Romans by their love of God…they live by the bow, the sword and debauchery, finding pleasure in taking slaves, devoting themselves to murder, pillage, spoil…and not only do they commit these crimes, but even — what an aberration — they believe that God approves of them. This is what I think of them, now that I know precisely about their way of life." - Gregory Palamus
”Islam was not a torch, as has been claimed, but an extinguisher. Conceived in a barbarous brain for the use of a barbarous people, it was - and it remains - incapable of adapting itself to civilization. Wherever it has dominated, it has broken the impulse towards progress and checked the evolution of society.” – Andre Servier
Posted by: Spirit Of 1683 at July 11, 2006 1:51 PM
Vikrant
I understand that. Mumbai is a total khichri. But Mumbai is, although the capital, just a small part of Maharashtra. Culturally, the rest of the state is pucca Marathi - I've lived in Pune, and travelled to Lonavala, Singhagadh, Nagar (won't call it Ahmadnagar), Ajanta, Ellora, Sholapur. All these places, the Maratha heritage is (or at least was, since the last I was there was 1992) intact. I agree with you about the Shiv Sena, particularly Thackeray's odes to Hitler and his comments on the holocaust. Fortunately, the RSS is strong there, and when I was in college in Pune, the ABVP was strong there.
Unfortunately, even the BJP is muted in its condemnation of Muslims, due to their desire to keep their NDA allies. We need a party like the Shiv Sena, shorn of its pro-Nazi underpinnings. Not just in Maharashtra, but elsewhere in India - UP, Bihar, Bengal, Assam, et al. The lack of such a party in those places has left us with results that are obvious to all.
Although Pune is now a lot more industrialized and cosmopolitan than it was when I was there, I believe you'll notice how much more Marathi it is when you go there. People there either speak Marathi, or a very Marathi-ized form of Hindi. Bombay-Pune road is a picturesque drive - one I always enjoyed. Srongly suggest taking that, instead of the train.
at July 11, 2006 2:01 PM
Infidel Pride,
Areas of Mumbai are in darkness. Most of the cellular networks are off. Trains from Mumbai to Ahmedabad are off. And news about curfews is not there. We are being sealed off. And the dhimmi pol. are saying "law and order will be maintained" meaning you know what.
at July 11, 2006 2:24 PM
n.a. palm asks "What planet have you been living on?" I've been living on the planet Earth for the last fifty years or so. Where are you from?
I've read "The Third Terrorist" and I think Jayna Davis presents an interesting case. I didn't mention her claims because I didn't want to sidetrack the discussion. More people should read her book and see for themselves.
Posted by: Malta_1565 at July 11, 2006 2:25 PM
Spirit Of 1683,
Thanks for those quotes. I copied and pasted them into a WORD document. Will be keeping these quotes handy when I have to deal with folks that still believe that Islam is peaceful. Well what took place in India, now called 7/11 should be another wake-up call. These folks need to grow up.
Posted by: bigcatgirl13106 at July 11, 2006 2:32 PM
Malta 1565: Texas. But, if you read the book you don't sound like you believe it. I do.
One of the key advantages terrorists now have in abundance is the failure of the media and governments to tell the truth. Therefore there is no accountability to the real problem, i.e. Muslim TERRORISTS.
Posted by: n.a. palm at July 11, 2006 2:37 PM
Arjun
That may throw Vikrant, thehindu and other Mumbaikars offline. I do pray for their safety.
Posted by: Infidel Pride at July 11, 2006 2:52 PM
While doing some research into this attack, I discovered that today is the day of Guru Purnima or Vyasa Purnima in Hindu religion.
It is a lunar holiday/observance dedicated to the importance of gurus.
From what I can gather, i'ts a pretty big day for people who practice Hindu.
What a slap in the face... I'm disgusted.
I hope the world wakes up soon.
Posted by: astuddis at July 11, 2006 3:08 PM
bigcatgirl13103, here's another quote, this time from Ayatollah Ruhollah Khomeini (and he most certainly wasn't a Baptist):
“Islam makes it incumbent on all adult males, provided they are not disabled and incapacitated, to prepare themselves for the conquest of [other] countries so that the writ of Islam is obeyed in every country in the world. But those who study Islamic Holy War will understand why Islam wants to conquer the whole world…. Those who know nothing of Islam pretend that Islam counsels against war. Those [who say this] are witless. Islam says: Kill all the unbelievers just as they would kill you all! Does this mean that Muslims should sit back until they are devoured by [the unbelievers]? Islam says: Kill them [the non-Muslims], put them to the sword and scatter [their armies]. Does this mean sitting back until [non-Muslims] overcome us? Islam says: Kill in the service of Allah those who may want to kill you! Does this mean that we should surrender to the enemy? Islam says: Whatever good there is exists thanks to the sword and in the shadow of the sword! People cannot be made obedient except with the sword! The sword is the key to Paradise, which can be opened only for Holy Warriors! There are hundreds of other [Koranic] verses and Hadiths [sayings of the Prophet] urging Muslims to value war and to fight. Does all that mean that Islam is a religion that prevents men from waging war? I spit upon those foolish souls who make such a claim.”
Posted by: Spirit Of 1683 at July 11, 2006 4:01 PM
Dear Arjun,
and all the other Indians that post here, it is good to know that you are safe. I am deeply sorry please accept my deepest condolences. I really don't know what to say. I knew Bombay many years ago and it was a great vibrant place unbelievably over populated noisy and polluted. The slums around the Airport were the worst I have ever seen. Hindu Muslim and Christian lived cheek by jowl. I ask myself how the authorities can keep order in these places. they stretched for miles the huts were nothing than old garden sheds made from any old thing. The only movement was through twisting paths with an open sewer in the middle, no street lights, nothing, perhaps a tap at the end of the path. If anything starts in these wastelands there is no way the authorities can keep order. It will be a blood bath grade A. Let us all hope that it doesn't happen but I fear the worst. Keep safe all of you.
at July 11, 2006 4:40 PM
Arjun, and all Indian posters-- please accept my deepest condolences. I hope you're all safe, and you and your country are in my prayers.
Posted by: Shinoliite at July 11, 2006 4:45 PM
Vikrant - so good to hear from you - stay safe, and Arjun and other posters from India.
So very sorry to hear of this, though sadly not surprised.
Posted by: Interested at July 11, 2006 5:50 PM
i am sad to hear what happened in india more familys lost freinds. the media says its alquieda terrorist kashmiri militants forget that its islam why does the media say they got to go after alquieda and osama when its islam that is doing it alquieda follow there teachings from islam the media should be saying what evil cult islam is
Posted by: Greek Gurl at July 11, 2006 6:09 PM
"The Plague of the Bombs." americaningermany
Yes, Muslims love to go boom. What sucks is they always have to take us with them. Why can't they just "check out" like normal people do...like jumping off a bridge or perhaps a overdose.
This is what happens when you deny yourself booze, women (not wearing the bed sheets so you can see what she looks like before you get married), and sport...makes a unhappy fellow.
at July 11, 2006 8:16 PM
Mr. Holger Dansker,
Sir, I fear as you. Those were the slums of Dharavi you refer to. Something happened in Mumbai after the blasts, the news about curfews was subsided, and very sanitised news is coming out of there now. No way the government can keep it down for long, they will only prevent it from spreading to other cities. There is high alert in my city, and I am more than a thousand kilometres from Mumbai. The atmosphere is electric.
at July 11, 2006 11:07 PM
Dear Arjun,
very glad to hear that you are safe, but I thought that you would be, from reading your posting, I have always felt that you lived up in the Punjab or around New Delhi at least in that area. Hopefully the Government will be able to bring down troops from Doolali and Pune there are both large military bases and and less than a days ride from Bombay to reinforce the police and keep order. Lets also hope that they don't have to use real Arjuns to restore order, because if they have to use them, then we will know India is in the middle of a real civil war. Please keep us all posted, your comments are always appreciated. On
at July 12, 2006 3:26 AM
Dear Arjun,
very glad to hear that you are safe, but I thought that you would be, from reading your posting, I have always felt that you lived up in the Punjab or around New Delhi at least in that area, now you have confirmed my suspicions. Hopefully the Government will be able to bring down troops from Doolali and Pune there are both large military bases and and less than a days ride from Bombay to reinforce the police and keep order. Lets also hope that they don't have to use real Arjuns to restore order, because if they have to use them, then we will know India is in the middle of a real civil war. Please keep us all posted, your comments are always appreciated. Once again keep safe.
at July 12, 2006 3:28 AM
To those who live in India and post, my condolences.
Posted by: bigcatgirl13106 at July 12, 2006 6:39 AM
Mr. Holger Dansker,
Sir, you have surprised me again. You have toured India so thoroughly you judged where I was merely from my posts. I live in a small city in the Chambal Range. Close to New Delhi.
And I should not be surprised that you know about Arjun. You have experienced India much more than myself. What you did so many years back, Sir, I do on a very small scale. I cover the 100 mile radius of my city. Since I live near the jungles, I have to go just 30 miles, and from then on I leave the highway for the jungle trails. Found interesting things at times.
What I should have written at the top I write here. Thanks for your concern.
It is nice to read your posts, Sir, since you have toured the entire Indian Subcontinent, and you have retained all that you saw. Your posts of India and Afghanistan make for very interesting reading. I have downloaded the book by Churchill, and started on it. Very interesting.
Sorry for the late reply. I have faulty wiring, keeps shorting. Was with electricians nearly whole day.
at July 12, 2006 9:32 AM
Dear Arjun,
don't give me more credit than I am due. As I have said before I spent 2 years travelling round India on a Rajdut motor cycle. I saw a great deal of that great country of yours but there is no way I would ever say that I covered the whole, it is too large. At noon I always used to head for the nearest temple because you could always find food stall near the temple and eat your food in the cool of the temple. Listening and talking to the people I learned a great deal of your deities, not so much as I should have don't but I have never been religious. I could perhaps at a pinch name a dozen Hindu deities off the top of my head and that would be the maximum. I think that there are 3,000 in total with all the minor and local deities. A Sadu I met answered a question I posed to him on what were the differences between Christianity and Hinduism answered thus. There are no differences we have the three main deities Shiva Brahman and Vishnu one is an G-enerator one is an O-derer and the other is a D-estroyer equals GOD. They were nothing more than aids in your search for spirituality and enlightenment, since that time, I have always had a deep respect for Hinduism, and its tolerance. I once went into a temple in I think Narsik where they had an alter for the Christians to worship a place of worship for the Sikhs with Baba Nanuk a place for the Buddhists and a niche for the unknown God. What more could a tolerant person wish for. I used to make the odd offering but they all went to Laxmi. I think she was a bit deaf.
It was always the people and the culture that I found so fascinating, and of cause being an Englishman, our colonial history has always fascinated me. I have many books on India on my bookshelf's which I study occasionally more in a dilitant manner than as a serious student, but as a teacher of mine said better to have read a 1,000 books once and you are on your way to an education, than to have read one book a 1,000 times, which unfortunately is what the Muslims do, doing that does tend to dim the wits. As for Arjun, I have a recollection of a gentleman in a chariot with one of your blue coloured deities so I assume he was an avatar to one of the big three, which one I don't know. There was also a battle that is about all I can recollect. I do know that India's main battle tank is called Arjun so he must have done something spectacular. I am sorry Arjun as I said before I picked up many bits of the jig saw puzzle that is Hinduism but I never had the inclination to put them into a complete puzzle. Anyway keep safe.
Deep regards.
at July 13, 2006 3:10 AM
It's quite simple. It's not border disputes; it's not sectarian violence; it's nothing to do with Kashmir. from Planck's Constant - It's not Cashmere it's Muslin - Bombs over Bombay
Posted by: planck's constant at July 13, 2006 1:41 PM
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