Killing and breeding, let's face it, they are pretty useless at anything else.

Posted by: IceDragon at July 16, 2006 3:34 PM

Watch for another Pizza Hut to be torched in response.

Posted by: Xero G at July 16, 2006 3:42 PM

I've never seen the logic of using the term "Turkomen" to denote the plural of "Turkoman", since the "-man" part has nothing to do with the English word "man".

1600, from medieval Latin Turcomannus, from Pers. Turkman, literally, "Turk-like," a combination of Turk + -man ("like").

The logical plural therefore should be "Turkomans".

Posted by: remote_control at July 16, 2006 4:04 PM

for one time l would love to be able to interview or someone else.. a would be sucide bomber, just before he thinks he going to blow himself up along with others, what the hell logic is he using.. l cannot understand the muslim mindset. it has to be a terrifc powerful cult to keep them blowing up each other.

Posted by: Lulu at July 16, 2006 4:32 PM

p.s. for stupid mulims who might want to live longer , stay away from mosques.

Posted by: Lulu at July 16, 2006 4:32 PM

I didn't even read this post. Didn't have to. The name Gen. Anwar Mohammed Amin caught my eye, and there was little or no reason to read on from there. So I did not.

Posted by: Alarmed Pig Farmer at July 16, 2006 4:36 PM

Stupid Moslems cannot stay away from mosques, LuLu. You know that. Going to mosque and co-conspiring is what these people do. Praises Allah!

Posted by: Alarmed Pig Farmer at July 16, 2006 4:56 PM

The logical plural therefore should be "Turkomans".

Haa. God I love this site.

Posted by: Alarmed Pig Farmer at July 16, 2006 5:07 PM

Intense rivalries have been a part of my life; business, sports, etc. I can remember feeling ill will at times but never thought of becoming violent, let alone suicidal.

What is wrong with these guys? Is it something in their genetic code or can this behavior be taught?

Maybe its a good thing that these young men's energies are targeted towards each other instead of at the West.

Posted by: limes at July 16, 2006 5:10 PM

Didn’t the jihadists say “Americans love Pepsi cola we love death”? Let them have Death. Let them kill each other. Its better then having them try to kill us.

Posted by: SnowDawg at July 16, 2006 5:37 PM

Their credo, "we love death", is so hypocritical, as usual. Otherwise, why would they scream and whine and cry when one of their own goes to their just reward. Even losing the breeders and their offspring brings whining and crying.

I think "we love death" sounds good to say and looks good to the masses and even in print, but when it comes to reality, they are scared shitless. And that's probably the reason they hide behind their breeders and offspring.

Posted by: freewoman at July 16, 2006 5:54 PM

remote_control,

All my dictionaries give the plural as 'Turkomans'. This is just AP not stopping to check anything.

Dominic.

Posted by: necessitasnonhabetlegem at July 16, 2006 7:19 PM

limes, you asked:

What is wrong with these guys? Is it something in their genetic code ...?

These guys have been inbreeding with their cousins for a hundred generations. I am not a geneticist, but that can't be good....

Posted by: BunrattyBill at July 16, 2006 7:22 PM

limes, you asked:

What is wrong with these guys? Is it something in their genetic code ...? - Bunratty Bill

Who, the jihadists or the AP?

Posted by: Shinoliite at July 16, 2006 7:35 PM

Halal-slaughter by & for the RoP!

What was wrong with typekey yesterday?

Posted by: sheik yer'mami at July 16, 2006 7:50 PM

"What is wrong with these guys? Is it something in their genetic code or can this behavior be taught?"

This behavior is taught from birth. If you took all the children away from their parents after they were born and indoctrinated them with love and kindness instead of hatred and killing, things would be a lot different in the middle east.

Posted by: dms at July 16, 2006 7:56 PM

Every1 here is talking about being unable to understand what is going on in Iraq, why people are killing each other!
Allright, let me tell what's wrong, the US started the war and made all this mess we are witnssing now. Why there is no suicidal killings in Syria, Dubai, Saudi Arabia etc...! Cos they are not in a state of war. It seems as you have forgot that the US was in a civil war for years and they were killing each other. It's happening right now in Iraq.

Of course, dear fellow americans, you don't read history, except maybe yours! You nothing about the history of the Middle East (that was before the US existed). Many imperial powers have been to the region, but they were Europians and they understand history and they have never made mistakes like the ones AMerica is doing.

You don't understnad what is Shai'a or Sunny means. I do n't blaim you folks. But your government has done a big mistake by coming to Iraq.

So stop acting like you don't know what is wrong with people over there! they are human and they like to live in peace just like me and you.

cannt go on cos you're talking nonsense. I have read posts that the Devil would not write cos they are too bloody and unhumanistic.

Chau (the spelling i like)

Posted by: khalid at July 16, 2006 8:13 PM

"Every1 here is talking about being unable to understand what is going on in Iraq, why people are killing each other!"

We understand alright;it's the same thing that's been going on for 1350 years. Do the math;America has not been around that long. Muslims can't even get along with other muslims.

Islam reminds me of gangrene; it destroys healthy tissue and if left unchecked it will eventually kill you.

Posted by: dms at July 16, 2006 8:33 PM

khalid oh so you blame Americans for muslims killing muslims, your so bright, no wonder the total GNP of all arab countries is less than Spain! what about sucide bomber killers in other countries..Jordan,Egypt, Israel,England, India, Pakistan, etc... the devil is allah in disguise.

Posted by: Lulu at July 16, 2006 8:49 PM

Have not been able to find the answer to this one and it bothers me to no end........

What happens when the martyrs are finished with their 72 virgins?

Posted by: Texican at July 16, 2006 8:53 PM

As to the reason that the shia are sunni are killing each other.......

They absolutely hate each other. The shia were subjugated by the suuni for decades and the sunni's still want to rule and the shia are ready for pay back.

Arm both and let them war and determine which side is going to rule iraq.

Posted by: Texican at July 16, 2006 8:56 PM

It's not 72 virgins...It's one 72 year old virgin.

tricks on you!

moose

Posted by: Moose at July 16, 2006 9:30 PM

Shinoliite;

I think its safe attributing the AP's behavior to environment...

Posted by: limes at July 16, 2006 9:32 PM

Iraq´s salvation.. :

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,2092-2271755.html

Posted by: cosmicAvenger at July 16, 2006 9:43 PM

Khalid so idiotically said, "It seems as you have forgot that the US was in a civil war for years and they were killing each other. It's happening right now in Iraq."

Hey, when the US Civil War ended, it ended, dammit. There was no long, drawn out "insurgency." The United States and the Confederate States of America each fielded a uniformed army and fought a war. When the Confederacy was defeated, they surrendered, end of war, period. NOTHING LIKE WHAT IS HAPPENING IN IRAQ HAPPENED IN THE US IN 1865.
(The capital letters mean that I am also screaming unprintable insults.)

Do you think most of the contributors at JW/DW really care how many Shi'tes kill Sunnis or how many Sunnis kill Shi'ites?

Posted by: Pelayo at July 16, 2006 9:46 PM

Texican,

"Have not been able to find the answer to this one and it bothers me to no end........
What happens when the martyrs are finished with their 72 virgins?"

I have heard from an ex-Muslim I respect that according to some Hadith (perhaps it's also in the Koran), Allah will "re-virginize" the virgins after each sexual encounter -- i.e., Allah will turn them into virgins (seal up their hymens) again, and again, and again, for eternity.

Posted by: remote_control at July 16, 2006 9:46 PM

One more thing, Mr Khalid, You obviously know nothing, NOTHING, about US history.

Posted by: Pelayo at July 16, 2006 9:49 PM

Bill Moyer, on faith and reason PBS thing, today had a man on who said one of the last suicide bombers had wrapped his genitals up carefully so that they would remain intact for those "72 virgins".

We had a muslim poster here that claimed that sex was not a part of "paradise". The 72 virgins were just to bring him lemonade, I guess.
/yeah right

Posted by: Carolyn2 at July 16, 2006 9:54 PM

Remote_control and Texican, when the Martyrs are finished with the 72 virgins, they are given to the unfortunate Muslims who are killed by other Muslims (as is, no returns).

Posted by: Pelayo at July 16, 2006 9:57 PM

Remote:

I've heard that all 72 are Helen Thomas clones and nobody gets past ten.

Posted by: limes at July 16, 2006 9:57 PM

Hey limes, you're right!
http://www.strangepolitics.com/images/content/109043.jpg

Posted by: Carolyn2 at July 16, 2006 9:59 PM

Khalid, let me remind you of the Marine Corps Hymn which goes -

From the Halls of Montezuma to the Shores of Tripoli, we will fight our country's battles on the land and on the sea!

See that Shores of Tripoli? One of the first wars the US ever fought was - guess where - Tripoli, Lebanon. Our founding fathers had plenty to say aboutthe plague of Islam. We have ignored it in recent years to our peril.

No suicidal killings in Syria, Dubai, Saudi Arabia? Please. What universe have you been living in. There absolutely have been suicide bombings in SA. Syria is run by a collection of madmen, as is Iran. Honor killings. Stonings for "adultery."

"By their fruits you shall know them." The Palestinians - and I've been watching them for more than a half-century - blew every last scrap of sympathy from me a few months back. Bill Gates spent a pretty penny to purchase (intact) for the Palestinians one of the largest and most profitable commercial greenhouse operations in the world when the Israelis pulled out of Gaza last year. This prime business enterprise could have employed hundreds, fed thousands, maybe even provided the basis for substantial exports. Know what the Palis did with this generous gift? Blew it to smithereens before it had been in their possession for even a single week.

America did NOT start this current episode of a war that has been going on for a thousand years. The European Imperialists - specifically NOT Americans - that colonized and split up the Middle East are the ones that set your borders, named your kings and CREATED the entire current Mideast fiasco. THEY understand history? THEY didn't make any mistakes???

Help, help I've fallen and I can't get up!!! Somebody call 911 for me cause I'm dying laughing over here!

Posted by: gallopinggranny at July 16, 2006 10:11 PM

What is so funny to me about all this "72 virgins" crap is that no experienced male human being would ever want another virgin.

Posted by: Pelayo at July 16, 2006 10:13 PM

yo yo yo khalid,

cos every "1" here welcums u2 so do wize us whasup wit da sunny and da shitites.

chow (cos das da way i likes it)

Posted by: MontyRockIV at July 16, 2006 10:13 PM

"What is so funny to me about all this "72 virgins" crap is that no experienced male human being would ever want another virgin." from above.

and again: the muslims desire for blood, 72 virgins, a bloodbath of the finest on silken sheets. Really shows the horrible desire of their Prophet to swim in Blood under any circumstances and in his phantastic dreams too.

and what happens after the 72 virgins?
the heroic soul of the martyr grows wise and old (and a beard)and it will be allowed to sit beside the prophet?)
well, if he survives the 72 virgins he will have
problems finding a place anywhere near the prophet because it is so crowded by all the martyrs who´ve made it.
and where is all this happening?
In Heaven.
geez, happy soulsearching..

Posted by: cosmicAvenger at July 16, 2006 10:49 PM

I would have to side with Pelayo on this one, not exactly a forefront for mass suicide, or homicide, aka, genocide. All I need is one good woman, 72 is a bit much. Not realy my picture of the afterlife. More like old friends and family, enlightenment, and a understanding of spirituality. But that is me. Plus I do not plan on needing anything of this body when I get there.

Posted by: zooboomafoo at July 16, 2006 10:52 PM

Granny,

Thomas Jefferson sent a modest navy force to Tripoli, Libya in order to safeguard the American merchant ships in the Mediterranean.

Not in Lebanon. But I'm sure an American History scholar like you would know that.

I'm sure you would also know that the primary motivation of the pirates was completely economical, and had nothing to do with religion.

By you logic, we were fighting Christianity when we went to war with Britain (2X), Germany (2X), Mexico, Mexico, Canada, Cuba, Grenada, Hungary, and Italy.

I guess, again by your illogic, the United States has been in war with Christianity since the beginning of American history. In fact, every single one of those christian countries killed over 10X atleast the amount of Americans than all the Muslims and Muslim nations in the world has in all of American history.

But again, that's by your logic, not mine. Your logic also says we attacked Tripoli.....LEBANON! Oh dear, the complete ignorance of our citizens...

Really, I wonder, can you survey and evaluate Rooseveltian foreign policy in the Far East and Latin American and its departure from that of McKinely?

Posted by: Sean12321 at July 16, 2006 10:59 PM

So, she meant Libya.

Does PEACEnLOVE approve of this kind of love?
http://islamstrueface.blogspot.com/2005/07/more-on-pedopheliaand-thighing.html

The idea that islam is from God is reprehensible.

Posted by: Carolyn2 at July 16, 2006 11:08 PM

Are the millions of pedophiles in this nation Muslims, Carolyn?

http://www.registeredoffenderslist.org/

Look at your neighborhood, I doubt you even find one out of the thousands listed that are muslim.

Posted by: Sean12321 at July 16, 2006 11:16 PM

Defending the Galloping One:

The Marines' first expedition was against small groups of Arabs threatening US interests. The exact location is immaterial.

The Marines' endeavour was successful, setting a standand which has held true to this day. Most of us know the tune.

I was invited to last year's Marine Birthday Ball. You have never met a more capable group of dedicated, professional men who happen to be trained to serve our Nation's interests.

One of these Marines had a young family. He was in Recon and had been home for four months of the last thirty-six. When asked, his response was that he was doing what he felt was right. His wife understood. This man earned less than an assembly line worker for GM.

There are no parallels in the pin-head universe in which some live. Men like those in the Marine Corps are the reason why good will prevail.

Posted by: limes at July 16, 2006 11:23 PM

Are the millions of pedophiles in this nation Muslims, Carolyn?

I will not deny that pedophilia is a problem in the US, but it doesn't exist by religious approval, (maybe mandate)
In the US it is a shameful thing to be accused of pedophilia.

Posted by: Carolyn2 at July 16, 2006 11:45 PM

We sure don't glorify pedophiles.

Posted by: freewoman at July 16, 2006 11:53 PM

:)

Posted by: arjun.sevak at July 16, 2006 11:59 PM

Sean12321 --

"I'm sure you would also know that the primary motivation of the pirates was completely economical, and had nothing to do with religion."

Before you leap to the politically correct conclusion, take a look at this article:

http://www.frontpagemag.com/Articles/ReadArticle.asp?ID=22314

Posted by: remote_control at July 17, 2006 12:07 AM

The Barbary Pirates, as they are misleadingly called, were not out raiding Christian shipping on their own. They would often register their intended prey, or the places they intended to go to prey on Christian ships, and their acts were not those of so many Arabic-speaking Johnny Depps, doing their little keith-richardses, and leaping from the fo'castle to land right in front of Keira Knightly. They were part of a long tradition of Islamic war-making, raids against shipping, raids on coastal cities up and down Western Europe, in one case as far as Iceland. The loot was "economical" but the justification was the belief-system of Islam.

It might be argued that the entire belief-system of Islam was in fact constructed to justify Arab attacks, in order to get loot, on more settled and wealthier neighbors, including Christians and Jews, and just a little later, Zoroastrians in Persia.

Posted by: Hugh at July 17, 2006 12:17 AM

well, if he survives the 72 virgins he will have
problems finding a place anywhere near the prophet because it is so crowded by all the martyrs who´ve made it.
and where is all this happening?
In Heaven.
geez, happy soulsearching..
Posted by: cosmicAvenger at July 16, 2006 10:49 PM
+++++++++++++

mo and his followers are not resting in heaven, but are being abused by Satan and his minions in hell.

so much for the 72 virgins.

Posted by: Texican at July 17, 2006 12:27 AM

The British solved the problem of the pirates on the seas with their own solution. And it was a permanent solution. No pirate was given a trial, however young he might have been. They were all hung, their skeletons hanging from the scaffolds built at the jettys of British occupied territories as an example to people thinking of taking up this career. And only this solution worked. Sadly, the British seem to have lost their stomach, and can safely be classified as dhimmis of the first order nowadays.

Posted by: arjun.sevak at July 17, 2006 12:28 AM

Sean12321 is another leftist liberal hater of America and all that America stands for.

Sean1231, rest assured that America and Israel with God's blessing will fix the vile evilness of islam.

The Texican.

Posted by: Texican at July 17, 2006 12:29 AM

dear arjun.sevak
can I (wearily) remind you that in this modern war against terror, a few countries pretend to support the US, a few countries actually turn up and fight along side you....but only the British Armed forces actually commits high quality soldiers to an American defined foreign policy time and again. while the european posters on JW may be embarrassed to agree that the human rights act, left-wing liberalism and multiculturalism seem like appeasement policies...we've gone from being amused to being angry by ignorant posters like arjun. So while you describe my whole island as dhimmis, I think of the 3rd Paratrooper Regiment who are actively engaging the Taliban TODAY and are dying for a US defined foreign policy.
Arjun, you sum up the American Arrogance that the rest of us think gets in the way of effective partnerships with the military and foreign office. The British have been to war with Afghanistan FOUR times, we have been massacred (kyber pass), we have won victories, and we have established battle honors and wisdom based on experience. You are just turning up, and you have the temerity to say we've lost our stomach? yea right

Posted by: albion at July 17, 2006 1:14 AM

Isn't arjun an Indian poster, not American?

Posted by: Carolyn2 at July 17, 2006 1:18 AM

Hi albion,

From the name I can make out that Arjun could be am Indian (may be living in US as of now) and so am I. I am sure, he did not mean to offend UK nor to imply that the fight against terror that UK is putting up is in anyway less. But, I guess he was just expressing his dispair or frustration of seeing the society of UK not readily recognising the threat as we expect it to. I say expect it to, because of its history of being good at it.

Although my thoughts about UK are kind of mixed (what with them being our colonizers), but, I love many things about UK and about its society and cetainly love the sheer genius of Sir Newton. I have objections to many things UK did when England was colonizing India. But, that's about it. I love pinkfloyd (though not much of a fan of their left lean), love Coldplay, Love Terry Pratchett, JRR Tolkein, JKR and I can go on the whole day about what I love about UK.

Posted by: SafetyFirst at July 17, 2006 2:07 AM

Albion

I'll let Arjun bat for himself, but he is on record as having been quite admiring of the Brits, when warranted.

Or do you expect that the way Britain has been handling its Islamic problem is above reproach?

Posted by: Infidel Pride at July 17, 2006 2:09 AM

When I said "so am I" I mean an Indian. I am not living in USA. (I should learn to re-read my posts at least three times before posting, instead of writing errata).

Posted by: SafetyFirst at July 17, 2006 2:09 AM

SafetyFirst

You were correct, since "so am I" was outside the (), so the meaning was obvious.

Posted by: Infidel Pride at July 17, 2006 2:20 AM

ah! Arjun, if you're Indian (from India etc) and you were talking from an Indian perspective, I'm sorry to have taken you for an American.
Infidel Pride: I think Britain's handling of its own and the worlds 'Islamic Problem' should be subject to review and criticism.

Posted by: albion at July 17, 2006 2:52 AM

Albion,
Yes, I am Indian but I am not talking from an "Indian" perspective. What I am talking about is the state of the world politicians post WWII. The leaders of the world are living in a state of suspended animation, thinking that all the borders have been made, and very reluctantly are able to redraw boundries. Look at the middle east. The world is wringing its hands telling Israel to stop and die the death of a thousand cuts rather than go for a permanent solution, since that permanent solution involved redrawal of boundries.
BTW, will you elaborate on this "India" perspective bit ?

Posted by: arjun.sevak at July 17, 2006 4:02 AM

The government of my own country, the British Government that is, is currently assisting Javier Solana in his efforts to prevent the Israelis from carrying out actions necessary to protect their citizens by providing him with the use of a British military helicopter.

An observer comments:

As my colleague informed us on Friday last, European Union Foreign Policy chief Javier Solana was on his way to Lebanon to sort out the growing crisis.

What we did not know at the time was that the EU official was to be flown from a base in Cyprus to Lebanon by British military helicopter. "At the request of the EU presidency, UK helicopters are flying Javier Solana to Beirut for talks," a Defence Ministry spokesman said before Solana's arrival on the island.

As it stands, the only British military helicopters permanently stationed on the island are four Bell Griffin HAR2s operated by 84 Squadron, used primarily for search and rescue. Unless the British flew another type of helicopter in specially for Solana, or one was temporarily based there, it would have been one of these helicopters that would have been used.

It is unlikely that these helicopters could be deployed elsewhere but, nevertheless, why is the British government lending the EU helicopters when we are so short elsewhere? And did the EU pay a commercial rate for the hire, or is this another of our invisible contributions to the greater glory of the EU?

Quite. British policy on so many things now comes with a "made in Brussels" stamp on it.

Posted by: Yojimbo at July 17, 2006 4:28 AM

The BBC is reporting another incident of Muslim sectarian strife in Iraq:

At least 15 people have been killed and 23 injured in an attack on a market south of Baghdad, police have said.

It is not clear how the people died, but witnesses reported heavy gun fire and explosions at the open-air market in the town of Mahmoudiya.

The mixed Shia and Sunni town, has seen frequent attacks.

Late on Sunday, at 23 people were killed in a suicide bomb attack in a café in the northern Iraqi town of Tuz Khurmatu, 170km north of Baghdad.

Attack on Iraqi market kills 15

Posted by: Yojimbo at July 17, 2006 4:34 AM

Yojimbo,
Good to see you. Thanks for the good news. :)

Posted by: arjun.sevak at July 17, 2006 4:58 AM

"EU considers deployment of peacekeepers to Lebanon

British PM Blair says deployment of international forces along northern border is only way 'to get cessation of hostilities.' UN Secretary-General Annan appeals to Israel to abide by international law, spare civilian lives and infrastructure "

http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3277039,00.html

So, getting 'international' people killed now instead of just the Jews, seems to be the solution.

P.S. I am not bashing Britain, please don't be offended. I am merely pointing out what Blair is proposing. And half the time I am bashing my own government.

Posted by: arjun.sevak at July 17, 2006 5:04 AM

Nice to see where albion sits. Apparently, he thinks that calling someone 'American' is an insult.

Here's an "Arrogant American" that would like to see a smug ass like you address why people think you have a dhimmi country before you kick out your own teeth with your kneejerk defensiveness and lashing out.

Funny how someone says something you don't like about your country, and the first thing you do is crap on America.

Great ally you are.

Posted by: Eisenhund at July 17, 2006 5:14 AM

hello Eisenhund: I thought I'd just posted some very good reasons why the uk IS a great ally to the US. I think it would be more appropriate to say the first thing I did when arjun 'crapped on me' was to assume he was an American. In that, I did apologize to arjun. But if I went further, it would be to tacitly accept that the UK is dhimmi, which I do not accept, and that's why I didn't go further...
As to addressing why people think the UK is a dhimmi country: because of government policies that describe Islam as a religion of peace, because of Londistan etc.
Why do I think the UK isn't dhimmi: Because of the strong allegiance to the crusader flag displayed this month across England. Because of the pragmatic and assertive opinions of UK posters on this site (reflected in a significant minority of the population IMHO).
Eisenhund: thanks for calling me a 'smug ass' LOL. Justified in this case. I was born in the US, and carry the same paperwork you do. What pisses me off are Yanks calling the whole of Europe to be yellow-bellies, when next to the US soldier is all of his rough-spots...is the British squaddie.
Arjun: what I was inferring by an 'Indian' perspective is: An ability to reflect (within just a couple of generations) on the impact of British colonial power. Also a historical perspective on India's battle with Islam

Posted by: albion at July 17, 2006 6:25 AM

hello Eisenhund: I thought I'd just posted some very good reasons why the uk IS a great ally to the US. I think it would be more appropriate to say the first thing I did when arjun 'crapped on me' was to assume he was an American. In that, I did apologize to arjun. But if I went further, it would be to tacitly accept that the UK is dhimmi, which I do not accept, and that's why I didn't go further...
As to addressing why people think the UK is a dhimmi country: because of government policies that describe Islam as a religion of peace, because of Londistan etc.
Why do I think the UK isn't dhimmi: Because of the strong allegiance to the crusader flag displayed this month across England. Because of the pragmatic and assertive opinions of UK posters on this site (reflected in a significant minority of the population IMHO).
Eisenhund: thanks for calling me a 'smug ass' LOL. Justified in this case. I was born in the US, and carry the same paperwork you do. What pisses me off are Yanks calling the whole of Europe to be yellow-bellies, when next to the US soldier in all of his rough-spots...is the British squaddie.
Arjun: what I was inferring by an 'Indian' perspective is: An ability to reflect (within just a couple of generations) on the impact of British colonial power. Also a historical perspective on India's battle with Islam

Posted by: albion at July 17, 2006 6:26 AM

British PM Blair says deployment of international forces along northern border is only way 'to get cessation of hostilities.'

Only if they're there in large enough numbers, are committed indefinitely, and are prepared to act (not stand by why Hizbollah and their Iranian trainers launch rockets), I'd have thought.

Which nations are up for this kind of open-ended and costly commitment? Or is this just a temporary device to enable matters to return to the status quo ante, which could hardly be acceptable to Israel, bearing in mind what that means?

Posted by: Yojimbo at July 17, 2006 6:27 AM

Eisenhund,

I'd suggest that the UK is somewhat worse than the US so far as appeasement towards Islam goes, though neither country's attitude is as it should be. There are doubtless many reasons for that, but I suggest that the principal reason for the difference is the difference in the numbers of Muslims relative to the size of the population. According to the CIA Factbook, Muslims account for 2.7% of the UK population but only 1% of the US population.

Some 2.7% is a lot of people with a lot of votes and also a lot of potential for causing public order problems in a far smaller country.

For France, the CIA Factbook gives a figure of 5-10% Muslim.

I'm sure there are all sorts of important cultural and historical factors at work, but if the US wants its political attitudes to become like those of the UK or, worse, France, all it has to do is to keep taking Muslim immigrants. At bottom, this is a numbers game.

Posted by: Yojimbo at July 17, 2006 6:43 AM

Yojimbo,
You are right. Numbers game it is. That is why India never sent its boys to iraq. The politicians here are worse than British ones. And if what you say is true, and France is 10% muslim, watch the situation in France deteriorate rapidly. Five years should do it.

My apologies to any British poster I have offended unintentionally. Numbers game it is, and any politician worth his salt wants those votes, in every country, be it India or Britain.

Posted by: arjun.sevak at July 17, 2006 6:51 AM

-albion,

Looks like we are, after all, on the same sheet. Fact is, my mother was born and raised in Dundee, Scotland and I get less than thrilled seeing anyone say anything about the place where three quarters of my family still live.

My response was not in defense of any Brit bashing, obviously, rather a reaction to what I saw as an unwarranted slight.

As for not liking Yanks calling Europeans yellow-bellied, keep in mind that a substantial percentage of Americans don't think of Britain as part of Europe. At least, I don't. More than the English (heh, not the "French") Channel separates the Isles from the Continent.

In any case, this Brit vs. Yank stuff seems like nothing more than sibling squabbling to me. Goes on until, and often while, someone else presents their tail to be kicked by the family.

Posted by: Eisenhund at July 17, 2006 7:29 AM

-Yojimbo,

I agree with you, but you might also want to add the "PC factor" that I think contributes at least as much, if not more, to the problem as mohammedan immigration. This line of diseased thinking not only attempts to make the imposition of this barbaric culture on ours seem acceptable, but it seeks to tear down any and all defenses we might put up against our enemies.

Not having been to the UK since '88, I can't really imagine what it's like over there concerning this creeping, psychotic mindset (PC that is).

Here, it's bad...very bad.

Posted by: Eisenhund at July 17, 2006 7:38 AM

BTW, whatever happened to Mr. Khalid? Like most muslim posters, he seems to have run away with his tail between his legs.

Posted by: Razdan at July 17, 2006 7:42 AM

Probably off inducing his five-times-a-day, mandated brain damage in the direction of Mad Mo's Moon Rock.

Posted by: Eisenhund at July 17, 2006 7:44 AM