Protesters punched, kicked and threw projectiles at Mr Howard's car as police struggled to keep them at bay.

Well John ... you were saying?

Posted by: witness at July 29, 2006 8:37 AM

Promptly discover who, in that crowd, is a non-citizen and begin deportation proceedings, which should be speeded up as a matter of security policy. Remove from the Australian midst all those who are non-citizens, or who obtained citizenship under false pretenses, and false pretenses includes a showing that allegiance to an Infidel nation-state is impossible for that particular person to swear, because it goes against, it violates, the belief-system that dictates his views, his opinions, his understandings, his sole loyalty (to it, to Islam and the umma al-islamiyya).

Tens of thousands might be removed from Australia where they are a cause, rightly, for alarm. Their large-scale presence has created a situation for the indigenous Infidels (and their institutions and laws, customs, understandings), that is far more unpleasant, expensive, and physically dangerous -- just look at these people attacking the car of the Prime Minister, throwing things, "demonsetrating" in the Muslim manner with which, by now, we Infidels are so very familiar.

Start this. And start discussing the need for this all over the Western world -- intelligently, calmly, soberly. With none of the ranting or crudity or intolerable racism of some. Islam is a complete belief-system. It is not a race. It should not be allowed to hide behind charges of "racism."

Islam does, of course, contain within itself an Arab supremacist ideology, as one can easily begin to comprehend, and the Arab treatment of non-Arab Muslims (Berbers, Kurds, black Africans in Darfur) is on display right now, for all the world's non-Arab Muslims, and its Infidels, to view and come to understand. If there is any "racism" charge to be flung, it must be flung at Islam, as a vehicle for that Arab imperialism that has been the most successful imperialism in history, causing those non-Arabs conquered to desperately wish to become, in some way, just like the Arabs who conquered them through islamization -- to become "Arabs." But that is a separate matter, offered here only by way of reply to those Muslims who would dare to raise the specter of "racism."

Posted by: Hugh at July 29, 2006 8:58 AM

Again, these protesters have no idea about the rockets Hezballah have been firing into Israel for some years now, all they know is hezballah are getting their butts kicked whilst hiding behind UN depots and civilian areas...

Posted by: eloivsdiablo at July 29, 2006 9:58 AM

Things you will never see:

1.an arab peace rally.

2.an arab leader who looks after his people.

3.an arab leader who anyone (other than mo's) in the world thinks is impartial, clever and sensible.

4.any muslim who appreciates what his host country does for him.

5. any muslim showing sympathy towards an infidel.

6.a muslim making really positive contributions to his host country's community.

I saw this in tv. It was disgusting considering how hard Mr Howard tried to get the Aussie lebanese home asap at taxpayers' expense!
$25 million I think was the figure.

Yelling and screaming, throwing stuff and blaming the police for starting the violence. Yeah,,right.

Peaceful demo - like hell it was.
They were P***ed off because Mr Howard said hizbollah started it all.

Australia is quite a long way from lebanon; it takes a while to get there, and yet they all whined and whined - get us home now!
The Foreign affairs dept issued warnings months ago,,but still they went.

They must all have known hezbollah had been there for 6 years building up to this grand plan.

Posted by: Gramfan at July 29, 2006 10:13 AM

Hugh,
I don't know how many illegals there are here.
Mr Howard really tightened up illegal immigration so it is hard to tell, although some who came from the Middle east illegally are on temporary protection visa's pleading they will be killed if they return home.

(They always ditch their passports so they can't be deported).

However,,,there were a lot of people of non middle-eastern appearance there also. Couldn't
help but notice.

I guess they had to be a bit careful as hizbollah has been proscribed a terrorist organization in Australia so I knew they wouldn't get much help,,as yet,, from the left wing politicians.

Posted by: Gramfan at July 29, 2006 10:21 AM

"Get us home now."

Where is "home" for someone who is, say, a Lebanese supporter of Hezbollah, or of Hamas, which is to say someone who has no difficulty suporting terrorism prompted by the tenets of Islam, and therefore is indistinguishable from someone who supports Al-Qaeda, or Laskar-e-Toiba, or Gemaa Islamiyaa or Jemaa Islamiyya (Egypt or Indonesia -- take your pick).

Such a person may, in the negligent past, have been permitted entry into Australia or other Western countries. Such a person may have been permitted to acquire Australian or other Western citizenship. Is that person an "Australian"? Is that person an "Italian," an "Englishman," a "German," a "Frenchman," an "American"? Is that person capable of offering unfeigned and permanent loyalty to the legal and political institutions of that Infidel nation-state, such as it is, and not as Muslims would wish to have it, by undoing all of that altogether so that the Holy Law of Islam, or something close to it, can dominate, and Muslims rule, as they are taught they have a right to, and must work towards, if they are to fulfill what unbending Allah tells them to do, and what the example of Muhammad, the Perfect Man, offers by way of emulation?

In what sense are these people "Australians"?

Posted by: Hugh at July 29, 2006 11:04 AM

"Mothers watching their children die"

Man, they are getting refined in their taqqiya. They make these children watch the sawing and butchering of animals in their mosques, they make them do it, and they are talking this stuff.

Posted by: arjun.sevak at July 29, 2006 1:11 PM

Remove from the Australian midst all those who are non-citizens, or who obtained citizenship under false pretenses, and false pretenses includes a showing that allegiance to an Infidel nation-state is impossible for that particular person to swear, because it goes against, it violates, the belief-system that dictates his views, his opinions, his understandings, his sole loyalty (to it, to Islam and the umma al-islamiyya).

I don't want to see Mr. Howard hurt or killed by any means, but I believe that the honorable gentleman remains unconvinced.

Mr. Howard would view Mr. Fitzgerald's comments as offensive, vulgar, crude, hate-mongering, and insensitive -- regardless of their veracity.

Having said that, perhaps a brick through the windshield and coming to rest harmlessly on the back seat during the next melee (i.e. peaceful islamic protest) might rouse the honorable gentleman from his politically correct stupor, nudging him to the inescapable realization that these people mean to do him and everyone else not like them -- serious bodily harm or worse.

I hope that such circumstances do not arise ever, but hopefully some pedegogical benefit from this incident proves sufficient for bringing Mr. Howard to reality.

Well John, take care of yourself; but really you do need to address your islamic problem -- its getting out of hand.

Sweet talk with the islamists won't cut it; perhaps a whip and a chair is a better choice.

Posted by: witness at July 29, 2006 1:36 PM

Expel to southern Lebanon.

Posted by: FreeSpeech at July 29, 2006 3:17 PM

Islamitarians cannot protest peacefully as they are hate-primed -the classical brainwashing tool of all cults.

Posted by: niconoclast at July 29, 2006 4:57 PM

How does one know when a Muslim is lying?

Answer: When his mouth is moving.

Watch TV (your choice of channels especially Arab and Iranian TV) to a man (and woman) they exalt death and dying for Islam, they brag they aren't afraid, and are glad to die.. then they spew that crap "but what about the women and children".

I have never seen (especially on Arab and Iranian TV) the use of the word killed or murdered, everyone who dies (men, women and children) are "martyred" Shahids, and the Muslims profess their love and desire for martyrdom.

Now that is what our State Department, President and even Israel should pick up on and reiterate..Muslims worship death and long to be "martyrs" so all the Ameriki and Y'hoodi are doing is giving Muslims their wish..

Second subject: I'm bone tired of the use of the words Arabs, Palestinians, Iraqi's, Lebonese, they prove constantly by their militancy towards Jews and Crusaders..that despite the country of origin they belong to only one nation.. the nation of Islam, the moslemah, the worldwide community of muslims.

Posted by: Nariz at July 29, 2006 8:23 PM

"Mr. Howard would view Mr. Fitzgerald's comments as offensive, vulgar, crude, hate-mongering, and insensitive -- regardless of their veracity."

From "witness" above....

How do you know how OUR PM would view Hugh's comments? Have you met him, and discussed with him his views? I have... Perhaps you should consider Mr Howard's general support of Cardinal Pell's remarks before putting words in his mouth.

Also I havent thought so far of Hugh's comments as any of the above either, I am just amazed he has time to put 200 + word essays in place at the drop of a hat.

Posted by: payingattention at July 29, 2006 8:35 PM

"How do you know how OUR PM would view..."
--- from a posting by "paying attention"

Try it out. Send a few sample articles to Howard, and perhaps one might actually get through to him. Click on articles listed under "Articles" on the top bar, choose a few you think he might derive profit and pleasure from -- say "Islam for Infidels" or "Ten Things to Think About When Thinking About Moderate Muslims" or "What Do Journalists Do All Day?" or "The Real Intelligence Failure in Iraq" or "Douce France" or "Why Are We In Iraq?" -- and send them on. Probably nothing will come of it. But who knows?

Posted by: Hugh at July 29, 2006 8:44 PM

americaningermany posted: The Europeans expect a war to go on WITHOUT ANY casualties?!

I dont know about that, considering recent history.

Posted by: DP111 at July 29, 2006 8:59 PM

All these demands for us to "do something" and condemnations for not doing this or that. Yet strange silence from these Lebanese-"Australians" about Hezbollah firing rockets and bombs from residential areas of southern Lebanon. Picture in the paper today showed just that. No condemnation of Hez for that. No demands they get out of southern Lebanon and stop putting these women and babies they so care about in danger. No, it's all our fault.

Howard looked rather shaken, and that's understandable. Those ferals are capable of anything as we've seen happen in Seattle. I feel bad for him, but am glad at the shocking display of uncivilised barbarity on our streets. It'll open a few more eyes. Maybe wipe a bit of doubt from the minds of some Aussies still hanging onto the silly idea that Muslims are really just very peaceful. They're their own worst PR.

I don't think Howard's crippled by PC. He's said enough things in the past, to dissuade me from thinking that. He's just hobbled by a PC system, not of his making, and has to tread carefully.

Posted by: feralee at July 29, 2006 11:49 PM

Along with the Jewish Federation shootings and the recent pro-Hizbollocks/anti-Israel rallies, I hope other leaders were paying attention to this.

Could it be a trend?
Do these events have anything in common?!
What...is...the...connection?!
Hmm...could it beee...
Nope, nothing I can think of.
*sigh*
Darnit, thought I had it there.

Stay tuned.

Posted by: Eisenhund at July 30, 2006 3:01 AM

Hugh:

OK I will do what you suggest and I will get back to you that.

Regards

payingattention

Posted by: payingattention at July 30, 2006 5:51 AM

Just in case there are any trend spotters out there who may not have caught all of the news footage, a couple of observations...

1. The initial news reports said the "peace" protestors gathered for their protest seemingly in an instant. I got the impression their arrival had some detailed planning, with the intention of catching the police off guard and under-manned.

2. They appeared to be almost in uniform, the colours of Lebanon, with overt Islamic identifiers subdued or only hinted at, the clear intention here was to portray their protestations to be based on nationalist rather than Jihadist motivations.

And of course there were the usual sundry useful idiots, whose sole purpose in life is to remind the remainder of humanity how truthful is that old proverb about the noise levels of empty vessels.

And whenever you have the misfortune of hearing two or more of them in discussion, you are a wittness to the truly amazing phenomena known as "pouring the empty into the void".

Posted by: Ozi_bloke at July 30, 2006 6:59 AM

Okay, for all you Lebanese Shiites out there who don't get it, here's a little pearl of wisdom from our good friend, the Chairman:

Many people think it impossible for guerrillas to exist for long in the enemy's rear. Such a belief reveals lack of comprehension of the relationship that should exist between the people and the troops. The former may be likened to water the latter to the fish who inhabit it. How may it be said that these two cannot exist together?

Get it?
The armies of societies, civilized societies, wear uniforms. In order for them to fight, they have combat support and combat service support personnel.

You know, the people who make sure the personnel records are in line, chow is made, equipment is prepared, intel on the enemy is collected and distributed?

In the case of terrorist organizations, they have to travel light. Meaning, they can't afford the elaborate support structure.

They depend on you. They need you to fill the job slots that ,in an army of a civilized nation, would be filled by Joes and Janes in uniform.

In a war zone, it is not only the guys who have in their jackets, job designation llB (Infantry). Nor is it just any of the other combat branches. It is anyone who supports the the guys on the sharp end as well. That includes cooks, typewriter jockeys, jump-chaplains, the guys and gals who apply hi-speed missile wax to the nosecones of Patriots in ADA.

Everyone is a target.

If you support Hizbollocks, you are part of combat support or combat service support.

If you lend Jihad Joe a cot, you're a target.
If you give Jihad Joe a sammich, you're a target.

You are part of the support structure.
You part of the de facto terrorist army.

When you start caring as much about the Israeli kids that your favorite sons are trying to kill as you expect me to care about your kids that are dying, due to your choices, then maybe we can talk.

I'm not gonna hold my breath.

Posted by: Eisenhund at July 30, 2006 7:15 AM