Good grief, when Muslims are attacked, it is called a "hate crime". When it is non-Muslims, not a "hate crime". Isn't all acts of jihadi terrorism "hate crimes" to begin with?

Posted by: bigcatgirl13106 at July 30, 2006 12:26 PM

If the victims had been gay or black and he had screamed something about their status, it might have been a hate crime. This is simply terrorism.

Posted by: Carolyn2 at July 30, 2006 12:30 PM

"Community responds with sorrow, unity,"

Makes me all warm and fuzzy.
/oh #@%^

Posted by: Carolyn2 at July 30, 2006 12:33 PM

just more people in "authority"showing us how stupid they are,and how close we are for them to give this country away.

Posted by: Patriot8 at July 30, 2006 12:53 PM

So all a non-muslim has to say in order not to be charged with a hate crime is "I'm not upset at people, I'm upset at your foreign policy,". I see. So when you're not upset at people then it's ok to kill them. It's only when you're angry or upset that the law will consider it a hate crime. I'm glad we cleared that up. I hope they hold that same standard if a Jew, Christian or Eskimo Buddhist decides to shoot up a mosque. After all, it seems only fair.

Posted by: Bohemond_1069 at July 30, 2006 1:01 PM

Unbelievable!!! He states clearly he is commiting this outrage because of the victims' religion but it is not a hate crime. I have lived in Seattle and known it was a rife with political correctness and leftist moonbats but this is outrageous. They know that Jews are lawful and will not go on a rampage through the streets of Seattle.

Posted by: desertdawg29palms at July 30, 2006 1:06 PM

This is one more example of pretending, in order to what? To protect Muslims from scrutiny? To prevent scrutiny of what Qur'an and Hadith contain? To not worry anyone? To keep the "dialogue" going? With each such act, the local, state, and federal governments lose the support of citizens, alienate them, make them more worried, as so many are in Europe, that their own governments will not adequately inform or instruct them, and are determined to hide or distort reality because those in charge lack the wit and imagination to deal with the matter at hand -- the matter of the belief-system of Islam, and those who presently, or in the future, may take that belief-system, its teachings, its attitudes, its atmospherics, a little too much to heart.

Posted by: Hugh at July 30, 2006 1:08 PM

There is some good video over at LGF of our "moderate" friends at CAIR assaulting an LGF poster.

Posted by: treehugger at July 30, 2006 1:13 PM

Even if this is a man acting completely alone, the ideology he is acting on comes from somewhere. A generation ago or more, when a bunch of white men would attack a black man, that action, even though it wasn't a planned attack per se, was still evidence of a racist ideology that many white people were spoon fed from childhood. In the same way this action, even if a solitary one, is a perfect example of how Muslims are spoon fed anti-semitism from birth.

Posted by: Jerry M at July 30, 2006 1:21 PM

A police investigator, after searching Haq's apartment, commented that his apartment seemed unusually sparse and unfurnished.

Posted by: Television at July 30, 2006 1:22 PM

Here is the RoP®
Ciaospirit a poster at LGF does a great job of getting in their face.
http://littlegreenfootballs.com/weblog/?entry=21844_CAIR_Official_Assaults_LGF_Reader&only

Posted by: Carolyn2 at July 30, 2006 1:30 PM

I think the whole idea of "hate crimes" is really a species of thought crime. We should punish people for their behavior-not how they feel or think. The concept of a "hate crime" is Orwellian.

Having said that, this bastard shot up 6 Jewish women, killed one, and bullied one 13 year old Jewish girl to get access to Jewish people to kill them because they are Jewish (a violation of their civil rights). That looks like Jihad to me-that looks like Islam to me. Not to call this Jihad is Orwellian.

I pray for the soul of the lady who was murdered and for the recovery of the other 5 ladies. The Muslim Naveed Afzal Haq must be prosecuted for murder and attempted murder, but the Justice Dept. should prosecute Haq for violating the civil rights of all people at the Jewish Center, and the woman killed and the women wounded by the Jihaddist Naveed Afzal Haq.

To go easy on Naveed Afzal Haq is to be a dhimmi. He must get no mercy.

Posted by: Frank at July 30, 2006 1:43 PM

I have already posted these links but these are high quality and should be spread as far and wide as possible.

From Polish Infideless

http://moonbatmedia.com/stand_with_israel_230706/

http://moonbatmedia.com/against_israel_220706/

http://www.europa21.pl/name-News-article-sid-5155.html

LGF has links to the following film/documentory

Obsession:What the war on terror is really about.

http://xrl.us/Obsession

Posted by: km at July 30, 2006 1:47 PM

To initiate a hate crime you have to hate. Muslims don't feel hate because they are void of emotions, they are only nominally human in their reactions and their emotions are even there just for convenience. So in effect it wasn't a hate crime but an act initiated by a living zombie infected by a cancer called Islam.

Posted by: IceDragon at July 30, 2006 1:53 PM

One other thought: Anyone who believes this guy did not belong to a Muslim organization or that he did not talk about this to other Muslims in the weeks prior to this onslaught is naive. This is a conspiracy to violate the civil rights of the Jewish folks at the center. People should stop using kid gloves with creeps like this Haq, and those connected with him, and call in the FBI and the US Justice Dept. and treat this as a violation of civil rights.

No more Dhimmi responses, no more tolerance of Muslim intolerance.

Posted by: Frank at July 30, 2006 1:53 PM

km-

I am beginning to believe that the elites in Europe are deliberately making dimmis out of the people there. I haven't figured out the reason-motive yet.

The European elites seem to have reversed all equations with regard to Jews and Muslims, Nazis and victims. The Jews are presented as if they are the Nazis and the Muslims are treated as if they are the Jews of the Holocaust. I don't know (yet) what the elites are aiming at with this deliberate policy-but Idon't think it's good. I think the elites are Anti-Semites who are (temporarily) using Muslims as an excuse for their hatred and fear of Jews.

I am thinking about this-trying to put the puzzle together, figure out motives, but I think I'm onto something in this hunch. I don't think Jihad in Europe is all a matter of the blindness of the European elite to this Muslim-collective-mental-illness. The elites coddle it for some payoff. (What???)

I don't think the European elites would get to first base in America with such a policy because Americans have come from every place on earth to get away from such masters-we are generally suspicious of authority and individualistic. The people of Europe appear to me to be like sheep.

Posted by: Frank at July 30, 2006 2:22 PM

I am beginning to believe that the elites in Europe are deliberately making dimmis out of the people there. I haven't figured out the reason-motive yet.

Posted by: Frank [TypeKey Profile Page] at July 30, 2006 02:22 PM

I don’t think it is anything too complicated, I am sure the usual suspects are complicit.

Money, power and fear, not necessarily in that order

Posted by: km at July 30, 2006 2:30 PM

Of course he wasn't a "practicing" muslim. He figured he'd practiced enough and went out to apply what he'd learned!

Posted by: OLDPUPPYMAX at July 30, 2006 2:36 PM

"Money, power and fear, not necessarily in that order."
km-

I agree this is the track to run on. I am trying to figure out exactly how the equation runs with regard to the things you reference, the coddling of Islamists in Europe by the media, govn'ts, corporations, educational establishments. I think anti-Jewish thinking (disguised as anti-zionism) is one motive-maybe the central motive for the whole process.

I question the assumption that the elites are blind to danger. What if they see it as opportunity?

Posted by: Frank at July 30, 2006 2:48 PM

In one of the accounts that I read about the attack, it was said that Haq had a shaved head, something that he had recently done according to people who have known him. Isn't that one of the signs of a "martyr" before doing the jihad thing? Frank, you have some great thoughts about the rewriting of history by European elites. OLD PUPPY MAX, I really enjoyed your comment. I hope that the families of the injured and slain women press for a hate crime filling.

Posted by: Mary Rose at July 30, 2006 2:49 PM

Mary Rose_
"In one of the accounts that I read about the attack, it was said that Haq had a shaved head, something that he had recently done according to people who have known him. Isn't that one of the signs of a "martyr" before doing the jihad thing? "

Yes, also they shave their pubic hair off and perfume their genitals (really!) to get ready for the great Whorehouse in the Sky.

Posted by: poetcomic1 at July 30, 2006 2:56 PM

Thanks for that plug Polish Infideless!

I've actually released a brand new report only a few minutes ago:

http://moonbatmedia.com/demand_ceasefire_300706/

Posted by: Nord at July 30, 2006 2:58 PM

Mary Rose-

Thank you, dear.

Posted by: Frank at July 30, 2006 2:58 PM

I forgot to add to the above:

If any guys are interested in perfuming your genitals for Martyrdom - ROSEWATER is the traditional favorite on clasical authority.

Do NOT perfume your genitals with some cheap crap like 'Our Version of Ralph Lauren Chaps' or you may be punished with 'virgins by necessity not by choice'.

Posted by: poetcomic1 at July 30, 2006 3:01 PM

Frank
"I am beginning to believe that the elites in Europe are deliberately making dimmis out of the people there. I haven't figured out the reason-motive yet."

My fear is that some of them are paedophiles who would love Islam to take over, so they can marry 9-year olds.

Posted by: European Crusader at July 30, 2006 3:01 PM

I question the assumption that the elites are blind to danger. What if they see it as opportunity?

Posted by: Frank [TypeKey Profile Page] at July 30, 2006 02:48 PM

At this stage you cannot remove antisemitism from the equation.

My fear is that with the excessive socialism which pervades Europe, the Euroweenies will favor their Islamic electorate.

Posted by: km at July 30, 2006 3:01 PM

"To initiate a hate crime you have to hate. Muslims don't feel hate because they are void of emotions, they are only nominally human in their reactions and their emotions are even there just for convenience. So in effect it wasn't a hate crime but an act initiated by a living zombie infected by a cancer called Islam.

Posted by: IceDragon at July 30, 2006 01:53 "

Your post says it all. They don't think or feel pain, they don't think that infidels feel it either.

Posted by: arjun.sevak at July 30, 2006 3:04 PM

Nord,

Great work, it is scary how the left is climbing into bed with the Islamists.

Britain has big problems.

Posted by: km at July 30, 2006 3:05 PM

Not far from me, in Terre Haute, IN, four teenagers have been charged in a hate crime for burning the letters "KKK" into the law of a black couple. This just baffles me. I also read where "Jewish centers and Mosques have been put on extra security watches" because of this crime. Why a mosque? Sounds like C.A.I.R (Council of Arrogant Islamic Rejects) is hard at work.

Patriot 1/17

Know the Enemy. Know Yourself....Know the difference between a federal hate crime and a state crime (which I'm sure all JW readers do!)

Posted by: Patriot_1/17 at July 30, 2006 3:06 PM

Frank:
The European elites seem to have reversed all equations with regard to Jews and Muslims, Nazis and victims. The Jews are presented as if they are the Nazis and the Muslims are treated as if they are the Jews of the Holocaust. I don't know (yet) what the elites are aiming at with this deliberate policy-but Idon't think it's good. I think the elites are Anti-Semites who are (temporarily) using Muslims as an excuse for their hatred and fear of Jews.
Yes. It's ironic that if you in any way attack Muslims or their ideology, people will start insinuating things like "hey there was this guy in Germany who once said the same about Jews", while being oblivious to the fact that Muslims are the most anti-semitic people on Earth, and have waged Jihad againts them for over a millennia. So, they hate Hitler, yet they support the most anti-semitic people on the planet who are actually victims like the Jews except they want to kill all jews...? It's a real mindfuck when you think about it.

Now, the article...

The man accused of...
Yeah, it's still very inconclusive whether or not he barged into a building and started shooting at people.

"I'm not upset at people, I'm upset at your foreign policy."
Isn't upset at Jews but still starts shooting at them. Hmm.

"These are Jews and I'm tired of getting pushed around and our people getting pushed around by the situation in the Middle East."
"I just want us to get out of Iraq"
"I'm an American too, but I want our people out of Iraq."
So what if they're jews? Didn't he just say that he isn't upset at them? And just how are Jews related to the war in Iraq? Where are Muslims being pushed around? I think this person is very confused.

Posted by: Jesus Christ Supercop at July 30, 2006 3:09 PM

Unlike the jihadi in North Carolina, who meticulously cited chapter and verse of his motivation
to "strike terror in their hearts", they'll have to dig a little deeper to expose this jihadi's identical motivation. The victim's families should immediately hire attorneys and private investigators to find out where this bastard had been, who he had been counseled by, which mosques he had attended, which web sites he had visited, and when. The U.S. criminal courts are all run in accordance with the p.c. Bush-saudi-cair party line, but not so the civil courts -- at least yet.

By the way, we haven't heard anything from the NC jihadi for awhile. I trust cair has shut him up.

Posted by: Infidel33 at July 30, 2006 3:25 PM

Jesus Christ Supercop-

I am beginning to think all these equation reversals are deliberate. I remember that Hitler referred to Christianity as "the Jewish Christ creed with its pity ethics." I think how Himmler regretted that Charles Martel beat back the Islamic invasion in 732, how Himmler said that Christianity was a menace, a brake on the natural war-like nature of the Teutons, the Aryans. I think of Europe's long history of Jew-hating. I wonder how much of these thoughts are still in the European air.

I wonder how people in the European elites can continue to deny the evidence of their senses with regard to this intolerant mental illness called Submission. Then I wonder if it is not linked to a program of fascism fashioned by that elite.

Why are these Islamic maniacs being coddled by the elite? I may be wrong, but I think we should think about these things.

Posted by: Frank at July 30, 2006 3:42 PM

I told you so.

Posted by: Pelayo at July 30, 2006 3:54 PM

European Crusader,

I think I know the reason for the European dhimmi movement. It's rooted in Cold War politics. Islamist militants are regarded as heroes in some quarters -- the mujahedin who fought the Soviets in Afghanistan, the Chechen guerrillas who keep showing up in Iraq when they're not busy massacring Russian schoolchildren.

The dhimmi Neo-Libs are too conveniently selective on human rights to be some naively principled movement. Theirs is a praetorian agenda, and they need to disguise themselves in the garb of human rights to pursue it. That's the new retro-chic -- hide behind a mask of humanitarianism to pursue anti-humanist goals.

But make no mistake, human rights are the furthest thing from their mind.

Posted by: sanman at July 30, 2006 3:54 PM

Imagine a situation: there's a war in the Middle East and there's a tiny muslim state that doesnt belong to the territory that it occupies. And there's a big America that is supporting that state. And there are politicians in its Administration and Congress - most of them Muslims by nationality, muslim-related, or simply sympathetic to the muslims; and there're journalists and media-owners - muslims in majority, who dont tolerate any criticism toward muslims; and there're big businesses - all belonging to the muslims, who never hesitate to support those politicians, who are sympathetic to the muslims. And there's a big american population - ethnically none-muslim - absolutely indifferent to everything that's happening in the world, in the Administration and in the Congress. And there's a sentiment that critisizing muslims is equal to being anti-islamic, which the worst sin ever (after the Islamocost). So given all that, and given the bombs that these "high-tech-minority-muslims" are throwing at their enemy's children, wouldn't it be fair for an american jew to come to the mosque and do what thet guy did?

Posted by: chavez at July 30, 2006 3:57 PM

European Crusader-

There are some smart folks who come here to read and sometimes post. I think folks should try to get into the head of the European elites starting with the assumption that the coddling of Islam is deliberate and a matter of selfish interests-and not one of blindness to danger from the Islamists. What if all this is not appeasement?

Posted by: Frank at July 30, 2006 4:01 PM

European Crusader-

There are some smart folks who come here to read and sometimes post. I think folks should try to get into the head of the European elites starting with the assumption that the coddling of Islam is deliberate and a matter of selfish interests-and not one of blindness to danger from the Islamists. What if all this is not appeasement?

Posted by: Frank at July 30, 2006 4:01 PM

sorry-there goes that double post again. I posted once-but two appear.

Posted by: Frank at July 30, 2006 4:04 PM

Washington does have a hate crime statute.

Go here:
http://search.leg.wa.gov/pub/textsearch/ViewRoot.asp?Action=Html&Item=9&X=730131947&p=1

This is an amendment to RCW 9.94A.535

The Federal laws do not need to be applied in this instance.

Open comments to the King County Prosecutor

You, must argue at trial that this case deserves the extra penalties due to aggravating circumstances as set forth in RCW 9.94A.537, otherwise you are doing a great disservice to the citizens of your state and the rest of the nation. If you don't, I will be forced to believe you to be a coward.

Posted by: Pelayo at July 30, 2006 4:32 PM

Sanman:
"I think I know the reason for the European dhimmi movement. It's rooted in Cold War politics. Islamist militants are regarded as heroes in some quarters -- the mujahedin who fought the Soviets in Afghanistan, the Chechen guerrillas who keep showing up in Iraq when they're not busy massacring Russian schoolchildren."

You are absolutely right. Why else wouldn't the so-called heroes of the Cold war step forward and lead the fight against the Islamization of Europe?
The previous pope, Thatcher, Helmuth Kohl etc., they all failed to even recognize that Islam might be a problem. Denmark's former foreign minister Uffe, who was the number 1 supporter of NATO in Denmark in the 80's is now one of the leading dhimmis.
There are many explanations for the dhimmitude of the Europeans, and the Cold War legacy is one of them.

Posted by: European Crusader at July 30, 2006 4:43 PM

"I don't think Jihad in Europe is all a matter of the blindness of the European elite to this Muslim-collective-mental-illness. The elites coddle it for some payoff. (What???)"
Frank 02:22

When a group wants power they will use any tool at hand, even one that will backfire on them. (The same goes for the Shia and Sunni.) They realize the mistake too late because of the euphoric nature of their concentration on the fight that they're in.

Posted by: Mike H. at July 30, 2006 5:42 PM

Hate crimes are superfluous; crime is crime whether motivated by hate, rage, greed, or any other catalyst. Nobody can unequivocally determine the thoughts of another human being. Our lawmakers, always pandering to the ever-expanding "minority" groups in America, added "hate" crimes to the books to aggrandize putative racially motivated acts and punish offenders more harshly for crimes against minorities. The whole thing stinks but if these laws are going to be used, they shouldn't be selectively used. It's the same old story---if you're white you are a member of the oppressive majority and you can only discriminate, not be discriminated against.
If you are not white, you are a member of an oppressed minority and are entitled to special consideration.

As far as I'm concerned, that's the bottom line in this case. If a white guy shot up a mosque and killed muslims, it would definitely be a hate crime and we would never hear the end of the homophobic, white supremacist, Islamophobic monster who killed innocent muslims. When a rabid muslim opens fire on a group of total strangers who happen to be Jews, he's just mentally disturbed. All muslims are mentally disturbed.

Posted by: Susanp at July 30, 2006 6:08 PM

European Crusader:

Mike H. quickly took one response I had to Dhimmi movement in Europe. The will to power seems to be the largest motivational factor for these characters. Thus, the rising voting population of muslims is one that they want to capture in order to keep them in their office. Police commissioners are also sponsored by the political elite. Thus, their directives will reflect the lame,dhimmi policies of their masters. This is evident in Australia in dealing with the crime and anarchy coming from the muslim slums and erupting into the beach riots last year. Politicos issue hands off or kid gloves policies in dealing with muslim crimes. Muslims establish self rule in the area where they live and further attack the innocence population who are no longer really defended by the police and the courts. Australian youths rise up to defend themselves and are arrested by Australian police. It's much easier to prosecute a white Australian for "hate crimes" then muslim gang members who rape, murder and rob native Australians who are exactly the targets of their criminal intent. Certainly, some of this is showing its ugly head in Seattle.
Secondly, most all dhimmi's are moral relativists. Right and wrong is determined by how it "personally" affects them. Burdened by guilt, or as Nathaniel Hawthorne once said, "the guilt of their fathers" they try to wash away what they view as the priveledge of their positions (higher middle class or elitist ubringing). Thus, they become involved bleeding heart multicultural aspirations even though they don't live in a multicultural area. Some of the bigger "sinners" even become Marxists seeking to exist on the same level as the down trodden masses. Viewing life through these rose colored glasses, the Islamist oppressive idealogy actually looks like "penance" for their sins.
I sincerely believe that most policeman and true cops and prosecutors are not of this nature and eventually will overthrow these dictums from these dhimmis. They have established a morasl character and conscience. They have seen hate and the acts of wrongdoing to much to buckle under when push comes to shove.

Posted by: Briars at July 30, 2006 6:10 PM

See C&F, they say it all.
http://www.coxandforkum.com/archives/000898.html

Posted by: Carolyn2 at July 30, 2006 6:55 PM

The Americans had better get used to the "multicultural" experience. It perhaps works with Hindus and Buddhists to an extent but to include Muslims is tantamount to putting a Piranha in with your goldfish. We have had this rubbish for years, decades in the UK, we are totally fed up of them and the more we say we are fed up of them the buggers go and bring more in and throw money at them. They are having all the best houses, toilets that point the "right way" etc. Look at this idiocy...

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/manchester/5213588.stm

"The homes have up to seven bedrooms, some have bathrooms that face away from Mecca and the kitchens also comply with halal cuisine.

They were designed in consultation with the local community in Coppice, which is 60% Asian.

They were built after redundant one and two-bedroom flats on the street were demolished.

The £3 million project has been developed by Manchester Methodist Housing Association."

"On the one hand the housing association have to be commended for thinking about those special needs and providing for large families in particular."

You know what they did before their toilets pointed the right way, the did it in plastic bags and dropped them all over the place. I hope you all think about what they do before going for a curry.

Posted by: IceDragon at July 30, 2006 7:20 PM

Frank:
Appeasement, hunger for power, moral relativism etc., there are many causes for the dhimmi disease.
The question is what is the cure?
Perhaps teaching that "patriotism doesn't lead to nazism", but that "patriotism defeated nazism" (and communism). Even Stalin recognized, (when German tanks were right outside Moscow in 1941) that the Russians would only fight and die for Mother Russia and not the Communist party, so he started to appeal to their Russian identity and reopen churches and hail the old zars.
Otherwise we have to consider adopting some of the tactics of the enemy: let the western media show all the bloody details of beheadings and dying victims of terrorist attacks to incite hatred against the other side like the Arab media do. And start reporting about the share of Muslims in violent and sexual crimes and the prison population in western countries compared to the share of the overall population and make it a key political issue.
Perhaps a site like jihadwatch could be used to gather that kind of statistics and which media and politicians are willing to put those facts to the general public?

Briars:
I'm surprised that Australia suffers from the same dhimmi disease as Europe. John Howard seems to be the western leader (outside Israel of course) most willing to stand up against the Muslims. And at least during your riots, a part of your population were willing to protect your country. When the Muhammed Jugend started their intifada in France, the French public did almost nothing.

Posted by: European Crusader at July 30, 2006 7:32 PM

I emailed this to JW, but it hasn't been posted, so I will:

Regarding Haq and Seattle and Hanford Nuclear Facility....

"Haq previously lived in Pasco, one of southeast Washington's Tri-Cities, police said".

"Shehadeb recalled Haq as quiet and something of a loner. Shehadeb said he and Haq's father, Mian Haq, both work at the Hanford Nuclear Reservation, as do many of the area's Muslim community".

"Mian Haq was listed in the facility's directory, but it was not clear what type of work he did. All workers at Hanford must have federal security clearance, which includes a background check".

http://www.bellinghamherald.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20060729/NEWS01/607290

Sleep well tonight, children, this is insane.

Posted by: SCV at July 30, 2006 7:35 PM

Hugh wrote:

"With each such act, the local, state, and federal governments lose the support of citizens, alienate them, make them more worried"

One would hope that to be the case. Unfortunately, with time, people forget, and some things should NEVER be forgotten.

Yet another such isolated incident deserves to be remembered. I personally remember this particular story because the murderer stated

"I have killed my Jew. I will go to heaven"?

Ariel Sellouck was a victim of Saudi national, Mohammed Ali Alayed.

Jihad Watch: Spencer: Terror Denial

Jihad Watch: Jihad in Houston?

http://www.jhvonline.com/news/articlefiles/pics/thumb/357-Mohammed-Ali-Alayed.jpg&imgrefurl=http://www.jhvonline.com/news/render.asp%3Fa%3D357%26z%3D1&h=199&w=140&sz=8&hl=en&start=1&tbnid=-FQUVbWUoan7PM:&tbnh=104&tbnw=73&prev=/images%3Fq%3DAl-Ayed%26svnum%3D10%26hl%3Den%26lr%3D%26sa%3DG">link

In Houston, a possible act of terrorism

JFS

Ariel Sellouk failed to open his father’s beauty salon on Wednesday morning, Aug. 6, and was nowhere to be found. By noon his father, Michel, had called all the hospitals, and even the jail, without a clue as to Ariel’s whereabouts. All he knew was that Ariel had not shown up at his girlfriend’s apartment, as planned.

Knowing that his son sometimes played darts and chess at a certain pub on Fountain View, the elder Sellouk went there to seek information. What he discovered was Ariel’s abandoned automobile. Through a series of telephone calls, he obtained the address of one Mohammed Ali Alayed, with whom the Jewish young man had been seen.

Finding a Channel 13 business card at Alayed’s 2520 Winrock St. apartment, Michel called the television station. Someone said there had been a fight and that police had been called.

The next stop was the Reisner St. police station, where Michel was told that Alayed had not been arrested, but that he had previous arrests. At another police station, it was said that Alayed had been arrested but Sellouk could not be told the charges. Then he was directed to file a missing person’s report. It was at that bureau that he saw his son’s name listed in the morgue.

According to Michel Sellouk, 25 hours had elapsed, but still no one had the courtesy or compassion to inform him of his son’s murder. Clearly, identification had been made. He found out that Ariel’s business card and his driver’s license (with his and his father’s address) were on his body. It was through sheer anxiety and persistence that the father even learned of his son’s death.

It wasn’t until 9:30 p.m. on Saturday, Aug. 9, that the Harris County Medical Examiner called to ask for the murdered young man’s next-of-kin. That was the only notification the bereaved father was given. To make matters worse, he was not permitted to see or identify his son because, he was told, Ariel had been identified in the morgue by his driver’s license.

Alayed’s roommate, who called 911, told authorities he had never seen Ariel Sellouk before. The roommate witnessed the slaying which, he said, happened without a fight, argument or warning. Ariel’s throat was slashed so violently that he was nearly decapitated. The roommate added that 23-year-old Alayed said he was going back to Saudi Arabia.

Mohammed Ali Alayed had a record of selling drugs and failing to show up for his date in court. Since that time, he had become very religious.

Michel Sellouk learned that Alayed’s student visa had expired and that he worked for cash, sometimes as an automobile valet. He is described as 6’2” tall with a muscular build, weighing approximately 185-200 pounds. He has dark brown eyes and black hair. The Anti-Defamation League (ADL) is pursuring the case as a possible hate crime.

Posted by: miira at July 30, 2006 8:14 PM

miira, I don't know what citizens Hugh has in mind, but I see not enough evidence of any significant number that are expressing any alienation or worry concerning their governments' handling of the problem of Islam. Until I see a milion-man march on Washington, I won't believe the citizenry has even begun to wake up.

Posted by: remote_control at July 30, 2006 10:09 PM

Hugh writes:

This is one more example of pretending, in order to what?

Muslims, like the black militants of the 1960's and 1970's, get special kid-gloves treatment from the authorities because the authorities rightly fear their propensity to violence.

When there have been flareups between blacks and other minority groups--Korean immigrants in Los Angeles, Jews in Crown Heights Brooklyn, etc.--the authorities were extremely careful not to put the blame on the blacks because they knew that black militants riot, Jewish and Korean activists don't.

And the fear is warranted. Muslim riots in Paris, for example.

Posted by: Steven L. at July 30, 2006 10:11 PM

Frank:

I am beginning to believe that the elites in Europe are deliberately making dimmis out of the people there. I haven't figured out the reason-motive yet.

What the modern elite Left in Europe and Canada believes, is that the West should be ashamed of itself: Our capitalist system ravages the peoples of the Third World and rapes their natural environment. Our culture is destroying the natural folk ways of Third World peoples and turning them to rock music and Hollywood movies and American products like McDonald's hamburgers. Multinational Western corporations are destroying the hand loom industry in India and "forcing" the people of India to work in "artificial, sterile" high-tech jobs. Rampant consumerism is replacing the "natural" lifestyle the Third World used to enjoy.

In short, they admire the Third World for finally striking back against alleged Western colonialism, Western imperialism, and Western capitalism. They see Islamic fundamentalism as a "grass roots" indigenous movement that is finally "liberating" the Third World (and maybe even Europe too) from Western "colonialist imperialism."

Posted by: Steven L. at July 30, 2006 10:28 PM

Why do the 'elites' act the way they do? I love this type of discussions. I always have outrageous thoughts. I may have no real answers, but maybe keep the conversation going.
Several international groups want to rule the world. The Chinese. The Russians. The Moslems. The Europeans. etc. They are trying to do the UN thing... and all "get along." ( Send each other flowers etc.) European elites ( and their American friends ) are trying to "give pretty flowers" to the Moslems, thereby having a majority vote in who gets to rule the world.

Posted by: ljm at July 30, 2006 11:19 PM

Steven L. -

I see your point(s). But I suspect many in those elites (govn't, media, education, corporations, etc.) see very clearly exactly what Islam represents, know exactly its intolerance, know very well the history of Arab Imperialism, and are using immigration and even Jihad for their own purposes. In other words, I'm not sure they don't view it as a fascist, collectivist ally. Just as the elites have reversed the equation (for example, the Jews are made to appear as Nazis-Muslims the old Jews, e.g.)-I think we should reverse our equations-assumptions re their motives in doing this. They may be pushing the envelope with a fascist agenda via immigration and jihad.

I think it might be a good intellectual exercise to start with the assumption that the European elites understand exactly how repressive and murderous Islam and Arab-Islamic imperialism have been and continue to be in our time. I think there might be an agenda here (the coddling of islam, e.g.)that would startle us.

Just wondering...

Posted by: Frank at July 31, 2006 12:14 AM

Re: "....let the western media show all the bloody details of beheadings and dying victims of terrorist attacks to incite hatred against the other side like the Arab media do."

European Crusader-

I'm not so sure anymore that the media is concerned about vigilantism and intolerance from non-muslims in not doing so. I am beginning to question the motives of the media, govt, corporations, etc. that willfully ignore the evidence of their senses re Islam and jihad.

Posted by: Frank at July 31, 2006 12:28 AM

CAIR's press release was so predictible , they alert Mosques to beef-up security to counter "Backlash" .

So basically , they use the lack of Backlash to prove Backlash would have happened if security
at Mosques WASN'T increased.

Aside from a mime-troupe acting out a 3-D
rendition of the antisemitism attack in front of a Judge and jury, what the hell does it take to get that A-hole Hooper to admit he's caught up in a death-cult created by a pedophile/misogynist
that hated the Jews and handed down a edict to kill all non-Muslims once "The Jews" were wiped off the Earth.
If Muhammed and the Islamists were to go to hell right now, it would be paradise on Earth and the children would have a reason to look forward to growing up in a peaceful world.

Posted by: ala-sux at July 31, 2006 12:58 AM

This is why I am against hate crimes. The crime was murder and attempt of murder. Punishing people for murder and distinguishing the severity of the crime based on race is racism. All hate crimes do is make it open season on whites or other perceived advantaged groups while making an outcry for crimes commited or imagined by protected groups. Hopefully hate crime laws will be scrapped and people will give their heads a shake and increase punishments for the crimes that already exist. And most importantly stop making excuses for crimes committed by certain groups.

Posted by: pissedoffcanadian at July 31, 2006 1:02 AM

Folks-

I am suggesting that we look at things (re this "tolerance" for Islam and Jihadists) with a different set of assumptions regarding the motives of policy makers (particularly in Europe) who are obviously tolerant of the intolerant. Are the islamist maniacs being tolerated with some agenda in mind? I'm not suggesting an organized conspiracy in this, but I am suggesting that many with common interests are working parallel to each other and that they have some selfish motive in showing great tolerance for this viciously intolerant ideology-at least they do that for now. European fascism may not be a thing of the past.

I am not pronouncing any opinion-speculation here as fact. I'm just wondering about the motives of people who are tolerant and coddling of people who are viciously intolerant. Why would they do that? What if it isn't appeasement? What's the payoff?

Posted by: Frank at July 31, 2006 1:04 AM

woops should say "......for crimes commited or imagined ON protected groups."

Posted by: pissedoffcanadian at July 31, 2006 1:05 AM

Chavez said

Imagine a situation: [...] there are politicians in its Administration and Congress - [...] sympathetic to the muslims; and there're journalists and media-owners [...] who dont tolerate any criticism toward muslims; [...] And there's a sentiment that critisizing muslims is equal to being anti-islamic, which the worst sin ever

We don't need to imagine it, that is the reality of the current situation. I hope and believe, given all the examples of Islamic violence, that the situation will soon change.

Posted by: special_guest at July 31, 2006 1:41 AM

It must be remembered that a "hate crime" is a criminal act directed toward a special politically protected class (ie: homosexuals, pedophiles, etc). Unfortunately, in the Peoples' Republic of Seattle, historically peaceful religious persons such as Jews and Christians do not qualify.
Besides, how can a jihadist of the federally designated Religion Of Peace possible be charged with a Hate crime?

Posted by: dhimmi not at July 31, 2006 2:13 AM

Do those who are pc in this matter and other matters really want a tolerant society? Or do they want a dhimmi society? The meaning of anything is in it's consequences. The consequences of coddling muslims is to encourage muslim supremacism and to make non-muslims dhimmis.

The murder and damage done to the women at the Jewish Center were done because Hag was a Muslim. Not allowing the victims, their relatives, their friends, their fellow citizens, to say that has to make the folks at the center and elsewhere feel subdued.

Demonstrations against Muslim (not "terrorist") violence, demonstrations against a dhimmi status, have to be not far down the road. Maybe then Muslims will address their violence and stop farting hypocritical platitudes that "Islam is a religion of peace"-an Orwellian slogan that hides its opposite truth.

Posted by: Frank at July 31, 2006 6:53 AM

re:IceDragon-"The Americans had better get used to the "multicultural" experience. "

We Americans have had multiculturalism longer than Europe, just not with Muslims however we've been one of the top targets of Islamic extremism so we're very well aware of the problem.

re:Americaningermany "Any "hate crime" committed is only committed by whites and Jews."

This is absolutely correct. In the US, only whites can commit hate crimes, despite the fact that when crime is interracial, it's usually non-white on white. Of course the media totally ignores this fact.

Posted by: corli at July 31, 2006 7:36 AM

Sure it wasn't a hate crime. The s-----k who did this was all warm and fuzzy with luv and righteousness when he perpetrated this thing. I've said it before, the whole concept of a "hate crime" is idiotic; for no-one who loves his neighbor or simply respects him will murder or rob him. This is one more instance in which the supposed intellectual leaders of our land have proven themselves stark, raving mad--pretending to be wise, they have become fools (as Paul said in Romans One).

Posted by: Kepha at July 31, 2006 8:00 AM

The fact that this devil is being held to a different standard than if a white guy did is is racist on the part of law enforcement. The are holding the middle-easterner to a different standard than they would hold the white guy.

Thier self-loathing bigoted actions speak for themselves.

Posted by: squire at July 31, 2006 4:54 PM