"Israel committed a heinous massacre in Qana on Saturday July 29, 2006, which claimed the lives of 57 civilians."

Muslims committed heinous massacres in Darfur which claimed the lives of millions of civilians.
Maybe there should be a jihad against Muslims for the millions of Negro Africans slaughtered in Darfur. Could it be that a Just God will in His time and in His way avenge the crimes Muslims have committed there and elsewhere? Just wondering.

Posted by: Frank at July 30, 2006 5:45 PM

Their first pretext was when the Meccan pagans asked his rich uncle to tell him to shut the hell up with the threats and rants. This was the persecution whereby the Moslem God said, hey, better to murder than to let people ask for peace and quiet and to be left alone. They haven't shut up since, and their whining plays oh so well with the Marxists running the TV sets.

Moslems make me sick. Being a Moslem should be, and actually is, a Class A Felony.

Posted by: Alarmed Pig Farmer at July 30, 2006 5:53 PM

Israel suspends operations for 48 hours.
The world condems Israel.
Israel attacks basically from the air, displaying weakness by not invading with overwhelming power.
Israel miscalculated the power of Hezbullah.
Islam is united. The Shia/Sunni split is, for a moment, papered over, united against percieved(I would argue more than perception)weakness amonst the Israeli body politic.

My predictions: major win for Jihad. A cornered, cowering Israel is exactly what the Jihadis want . . . but it isn't the end of their 'wants.' Israelis will begin to leave in the next few months. Not everyone wants to live in a country where your leaders do not have the will to protect your cities. It is unbearable; this rallying around the flag euphoria is something we can all identify with, but its duration depends on action, strong leadership. Thousands of Jews with the means will move to the US. Students will increasingly extend their studies, marry, do anything possible to stay in the US.

Can you blame them? Am I being alarmist? No, it will happen quicker than I thought a few days ago. 160 missles striked Israel today; 100 in a single city; it's being consumed in fire. A country with weak leaders, more concerned with public opinion(and the world's opinion) than its citizens safety, may not be a country with many citizens for much longer. This is not the Warsaw Ghetto; Israelis have a place(s) to flee to. After 19 days of pounding by air, 160 missles hit Israel, and now they suspend their air campaign?

Bottom line from the point of this observer: Israel would have been hated and castigated no matter what they did; acted with strength, hitting the enemy hard in a week's time, or acted as they have with this idiotic restraint. What a tragic pity, and yet another win for the Jihadists. Tell me I'm wrong. Tell me I'm alarmist. Make my day.

Posted by: biorabbi at July 30, 2006 6:04 PM

How can Israel stop now, and don't blame this on Bush and Condi. Israel had the right and the means to succeed. Yet they chose to at halfheartedly. He's {Olmert) no fighter. Now watch the s#@* hit the fan.

Posted by: AMartinez at July 30, 2006 6:18 PM

AMartinez, right. Olmert calculates he can "get out of this" by betting the 24-28 hour cease fire will lead into a longer one. He neglects, as do all of these disgusting wild eyed idealists--Olmert, Peres, Peretz(AKA I'm a man of peace), Beilen, and a cast of thousands--neglecting what this says to the Arab world: "I'm easy." It's like Pamela Sue Anderson(in her prime)walking through the sex offender section of prison. She may feel enlightened that these prisoners are just humans--who want peace--but she's asking for it. Israel's refusal to act endangers us all, maybe not today, but soon and with fury and might. We can't act for her, nor should we. But a Jihadist victory, win in a slow war of attrition against Israel, emboldens the Jihadis. This will increase their fury. The little satan's on the ropes.

I believe strongly had Israel acted immediately with a ground invasion, hitting all necessary targets--the politics be dammed--the public relations 'stuff' would be equal or less, but Israel would be respected. For her, that's all that matters.

Posted by: biorabbi at July 30, 2006 6:43 PM

Ariel Sharon would have hit with shock and awe. The problem with Olmert is is wife and kids are stupid liberals and they have obviously had influence on Olmert who was once considered a right-wing conservative. This is EXACTLY what happens when lefties rule. This is where our country is headed if the democrats get into office. The Republicans are going to have to do a hell of a lot better than they have if they are going to get another president elected. People I talk to are fed up with BOTH parties.

I'm disgusted at Olmert for not doing the job he should have in the first place. Where was our leadership in giving Olmert good advice? Someone dropped the ball. We look weak in Iraq and now Israel looks weak. This is not good for the civilized West!

If Israel had gone in with shock and awe, they would have been damned by the world, but that was a given no matter what they did. At least they could have blown the terrorist devils to hell where they belong. Now without a miracle, it may be too late. Pray folks!

Posted by: The Goobs at July 30, 2006 6:59 PM

Biorabbi...

Greetings and Peace to you.

I do not care if I am liked. I do not care if I am loved. I do care that I should be respected.

So it must be with Israel. But to send in a ground force on Bint Jibel (sp) that is not numerically sufficient to the task is madness. I have always understood that in house to house fighting -- without armour support -- the ratios can be as bad as 1.1 enemy dead at a cost of 1.0 friendly dead. Its about even. It is attrition...who ever has the greater baby machine eventually wins.

I understand that you are not based in Israel. Why do you think that Israelis will start to evacuate Israel in the coming weeks? What are you hearing? I have no sources to hear from or of. This is the first I have heard of this idea.

The report that US aircraft have been denied refueling privileges in Ireland, and have been landing at Prestwick in Scotland, as they carry bunker busters bombs to Israel...and that some complaints are starting to be heard about the landings in Scotland...I do not believe that bombs being dropped in South Lebanon are bunker busters. I imagine that they are 500 and 1,000 pounders. I think we have yet to see the use of bunker busters.

Assuming the above is true, bunker busters would be more appropriate to Syria and/or Iran. Daisy Cutters might work in the Bekaa Valley...regardless, one still has to go in on the ground. No war was won from 30,000 feet.

Posted by: SCV at July 30, 2006 7:12 PM

It's looking more and more likely that Hizbollah blew up the building in Qana and killed their own children in order to blame Israel (what the hell were so many children doing in a war zone anyway?).

Israel did fire at that building, but at 1:00 a.m. and they bombed another site half a kilometer away at 7:30 a.m. but that building where the people were killed reportedly blew up at 8:00 a.m. - seven hours after Israeli planes had hit it. Why was that, it couldn't possibly have housed a Hizbollah magazine which then blew up as Hizbollah was trying to salvage their weaponry, could it?

Posted by: Tziona at July 30, 2006 7:56 PM

I'm based in the good ole USA.

I'm thinking of many months and next few years if the status quo does not change and Israel regain the initiative. This is not just postulating one way or another on "land for peace" or something equally inane; this is rocket attacks daily, hourly on your cities, and your leaders appearing weak with half-given, half-promised responses. First it has demolished many Nortern cities--K. Shimona had 100 rocket attacks today. The issue is not if Israel can rebuild, the issue is will you have "migrations" first to the "safer" north, and then . . . ? Used to be that a few isoloated outposts like Siderot or settlements in Gaza were considered subjects for daily rocket barrages. The Arabs watched the tepid Israeli response with Gaza; the Arabs are watching the floundering now.

The question of 'if this continues, then what' comes up. What will Israelis do. Not everybody, not even a majority, but will many thousands, perhaps tens to hunderds of thousands ultimately leave? Settle, at first on a temporary basis-'for the kids'-in the US, Australia or Canada. Students will extend their studies. What if the barrages continue, the economy goes into the dumps, Israel is viewed by its one ally as a sort of pathetic charity case? Will the Muslims take pity on their fellow 'children of the book?' or will such a turn of events only embolden them. Great countries--as small as Israel, as large as Rome was--or the USA are--are not predestined to last forever. They can go into all sorts of decays, befallen by illusion of 'how we want the world to be is how the world actually is.'

The difference: America can make mistakes. One single mistake will not kill us. But a small country has to win every time--or at least appear to be winning to scare of her foes. India is another good example. They are massive; they can and have made their share of mistakes, but their massive size is an advantage.

The highly-educated upper fifth or so of the Israeli body politic, often with dual citizenships in a variety of countries, may shortly "exercise" this option. Who could blame them. There may be an element of psychology on behalf of Peres and Olmert as well. For to invade Lebanon, to admit Israel is slowly being destroyed in many ways, that is is surrounded by haters and Jihadis: this realization renders all their prior beliefs and actions moot, foolish and lame. Then too, as crazy as it sounds, Olmert may be plagued by guilt vis-a-vis his son. He has not disowned his Hollywood executive son(Nicholodian?). He loves him, they have a good relationship. Nothing wrong with that, but Olmert may feel tremendous guilt sending in young boys to their potential deaths while his boy is safe in Beverly Hills. I don't think Israel can afford much more of this. My point is simply the danger is not just the elimination of Israel, but a gradual weakening, lack of all immigration, and gradual emigration . . . this might be considered a baloon slowly linking.

Posted by: biorabbi at July 30, 2006 8:00 PM

Folks,

I have been reading the comments that have been made about the latest in the present Isreali crisis and if anyone has not have gotten in the news last week, there was a discovery of a Psalm text in an Irish bog going back to the middle ages. It is believe to be Psalm 83 about Isreal dealing with its waring neighbors. Here is a Flash presentation in song on that Psalm.

http://www.acwitness.org/psalm83english.html

Posted by: bigcatgirl13106 at July 30, 2006 8:32 PM

Folks,

I have been reading the comments that have been made about the latest in the present Isreali crisis and if anyone has not have gotten in the news last week, there was a discovery of a Psalm text in an Irish bog going back to the middle ages. It is believe to be Psalm 83 about Isreal dealing with its waring neighbors. Here is a Flash presentation in song on that Psalm.

http://www.acwitness.org/psalm83english.html

Posted by: bigcatgirl13106 at July 30, 2006 8:33 PM

Opps,

Had problems witht the Type Key posting. Sorry. Got a double posting.

Posted by: bigcatgirl13106 at July 30, 2006 8:34 PM

48 hour cease-fire is no big deal. If Israel is playing its cards right, they will use that time to study the enemy's movements, their repositioning, where they're putting their rocket launchers, all while the world (in its idiotic simplicity) breathes a sigh of relief. Score one for Israel. Yeah, I know, Hizbu'Shaitain will claim "victory." Don't be sidlined, stay focussed. This ain't over.

Posted by: Battle_of_Tours at July 30, 2006 10:54 PM

The Israeli Jews have been our front line for a half century now. But one has to be gravely concerned with what’s happened to Jewish leadership. Jews are natural leaders, in business, in science, in engineering, in medicine, so much in so many places. But where is the new generation leadership in the Israeli government? Ain’t nobody. Nada. The same old retreads, who looked very wobbly today.

610 * 623 * 732* 1066* 1215 * 1504 * 1526 * 1683 * 1928 * 1938 * 1948 * 1996 * 2001

It is within the realm that Israel could fall, be overrun by Moslems and subjected to another holocaust of mass murder of Jews. Like before, but messier. Should this disaster happen, it'll definitely be a thermonuclear moment.

That’s what they want to do to the Israeli Jews, it's what they intend to do to hear them tell it, and an absence of fresh leadership among middle aged Israeli Jews may just let such a disaster happen. Where is the leader? Ariel’s dying and ain’t nobody stepping forward to replace him.

No leaders in America. Nobody in England. And now a power vacuum in Tel Aviv. This is a dangerous time.

Posted by: Alarmed Pig Farmer at July 30, 2006 11:07 PM

The BBC, like other radio and television channels, has been reporting that "60 civilians" were killed at Qana. Really? Since there were fewer that 60 killed, were all of them, including the 30-40 who were adult males, all "civlians"? Why is that? Were adult males in the midst of Hezbollahland, in a building from which, or very close to which, many rockets had been launched into Lebanon, likely to be "civilians"? Is this going to be one more exaggerated "massacre" like so many others that lead to immediate hysteria from everyone and his brother at the U.N., and then, a day or a week or a month later, turns out to be quite different? Has anyone compared what was said, day after day, about that "massacre in Jenin" that never took place, or the exaggerated figures that are routinely produced by Muslims, not only when Israel is being accused, but when Americna and British and other coalition troops are being accused, in Iraq or Afghanistan, of behavior which, so one Turkish official has assured us, makes those soldiers "worse than Nazis." Yes, the Americans are "worse than Nazis" as they rebuild those schools and hospitals and wished only to stop being blown up and shot and dismembered so that they might continue to rebuild a country for people who hate them. And if we are to believe the hysterical despatches of some, Qana was a "holocaust." Was it? Was it just like the Warsaw Ghetto - a deliberate act of mass-murder? Really? Or a perfectly understandable attack on a building where Israel had no reason to think had civilians in it, and in any case, at this point, having endured 1,700 missiles not aimed at all except into villages and cities, has no moral obligation not to try, after having warned and warned and warned for ten days, every true civilian to get out, by leaflet and by telephone, to attack those rockets and those who launch them.

Not a single country denouncing this has the moral right to do so. Only if the government of country X or Y or Z is prepared to make an address to the citizens of X or Y or Z, and announce to them that "if we are hit with 1,700 missiles from a group determined to destroy us and that has created a warren or network of posts in the midst of civilians in a neighboring country, I pledge to you, my fellow citizens, that under no conditions will we shoot back or take any actions akin to those of that monster Israel. No, we will not do so. We will absolutely refuse." See how the citizens of country X or Y or Z respond to such an announcement.

Posted by: Hugh at July 30, 2006 11:11 PM

Moslems don't need any truth, not even any exaggeration. They've always had some massacre or another to point to. Being aggrieved all the time is baked into them. Moslems are, in and of themselves, to be seen as exaggerations. The joke of all this exaggeration is on us, and it ain't funny.

610 * 623 * 732* 1066* 1215 * 1504 * 1526 * 1683 * 1928 * 1938 * 1948 * 1996 * 2001

Here is the sacralized text of the Pledge of Aqaba. Obviously, Moslems have poor ability for self-recognition, their mirror so well fogged:

We shall not associate anyone with Allah (The One God): whether in worship, His attributes, His power or His authority.
We shall not indulge in adultery, fornication, and practice or propagate any other indecency.
We shall not steal or rob anyone’s property in any manner or under any pretense.
We shall not practice the custom of killing children.
We shall not falsely accuse or backbite anyone.
We shall not disobey you in good deeds and just cause.
We shall always follow you, be it hard or easy, to our liking or not, and we shall act according to your commands. We shall follow and obey your decisions even if it be against ourselves and in favor of others.
We shall not participate in opposing the deserving persons of authority or positions.
We shall support the truth and justice and stand firm under all circumstances. In matters of Allah’s religion, we shall not be afraid for our name, disrepute, disgrace, or blame.

Posted by: Alarmed Pig Farmer at July 30, 2006 11:22 PM

See Condi in pigtails, eyes squinted tightly, listening ever so closely for that distant whisper, "All is well, you've got the Nobel", then clicking her sparkling red heels, "there's no place like home". Home being status quo, of course.

This one is considered a candidate for an American president? Sickening. She should stick to playing piano (with those same red heels).

But what can you expect from the lap dog of...

"You bet, we'll protect Israel" -- Bush 43

You bet. Yeah, right. Until someone gets hurt in front of a too conveniently placed camera.

They're always too busy worshiping their own flickering images to do what's right.

Posted by: Concerned Citizen at July 30, 2006 11:25 PM

Hey Concerned Citizen maybe this next election you'll get ole billy back or his ilk. I'll never forget that day at Camp David, old billy and the man that was giving away Israel to yasser arafat, cant think of his name right now. But they were practically pushing arafat in the door. What a joke he pulled on ole bill and Israel.

Posted by: AMartinez at July 30, 2006 11:45 PM

I never meant to say I would puke in Bill's mouth if he were starving to death. Just wishing for some good old real conservative leadership. Yasser, well we all know he's in Hell. Bill's looking kind of skinny these days, maybe he's not far behind.

http://www.masada2000.org/Arafat-Hell.html

Posted by: Concerned Citizen at July 31, 2006 12:03 AM

Mention of Yasser brings Jimmy Carter to mind, an always unhappy event. Jimmy is a real long ball hitter: the worst president ever, and now the worst ex-president ever. Pro-Jihad, Jimmy is a pompous ass of inconsiderable intelligence and low moral values. The perfect dhimmi who has his oily fingerprints all over what's happening in the Holy Land now.

Jimmy should have Kofi over for dinner. That'd be a historic photo.

Posted by: Alarmed Pig Farmer at July 31, 2006 1:00 AM

It's looking more and more likely that Hizbollah blew up the building in Qana and killed their own children in order to blame Israel (what the hell were so many children doing in a war zone anyway?).

Israel did fire at that building, but at 1:00 a.m. and they bombed another site half a kilometer away at 7:30 a.m. but that building where the people were killed reportedly blew up at 8:00 a.m. - seven hours after Israeli planes had hit it. Why was that, it couldn't possibly have housed a Hizbollah magazine which then blew up as Hizbollah was trying to salvage their weaponry, could it?

Posted by: Tziona at July 30, 2006 07:56 PM

Well, Tziona, as you doubtless realize, with Hezbollah and their ilk, they love deaths of their own when they can be used to their PR advantage. Hence, Nazrallah earned the otherwise dhimmified Jan Egland's condemnation for saying how delighted he was that while the civilian casualties were fairly high, the combatant casualties were fairly low.

By contrast, could you imagine an Israeli official shrugging and saying, "Well, they say they love death as we love life, so we were only trying to oblige them."

Posted by: waterdragon52 at July 31, 2006 12:44 PM

The Propaganda War and Quana

Posted by: Lumpy at July 31, 2006 1:23 PM