"Whatever more we can offer, we will. Our men, our children, our siblings."

Yet again, celebrated death, right from the horse's mouth. Naturally, such statements are spun by apologists into "heroic" nationalistic rhetoric. One thing is certain: Upon news of "collateral" damage,Jews worldwide won't be passing out candy, dancing and partying in the streets. Therein lies the core cultural distinction which undermines any attempt by hypocrites to hold the moral high ground.

Posted by: We need G.C. Scott at July 30, 2006 6:53 PM

Israel looses war!

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,206302,00.html

Posted by: km at July 30, 2006 7:00 PM

When can our naive so-called "leaders" realise that we are not fighting normal people?

Posted by: IceDragon at July 30, 2006 7:08 PM

“His martyrdom has lifted our heads high,” said another of his sisters. “Whatever more we can offer, we will. Our men, our children, our siblings."

Then why are they calling for an immediate ceasefire.
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“We thank God almighty for making us the family of a martyr,” she said. “We received the news of his martyrdom with pride,” she told Hezbollah’s al-Manar television.

Why? Do relatives of "martyrs" get a visa to paradise?

Posted by: DP111 at July 30, 2006 7:25 PM

"Israel looses war!" - km

Hizbu'shaitan will claim "victory" for having managed to draw Israeli fire on their women and children, those great Jihad heroes. It's all part of the "we love death, you love life" mentality.

See this for a definition of "victory" in the Arab mind:
http://www.news.faithfreedom.org/index.php?name=News&file=article&sid=302

Posted by: Battle_of_Tours at July 30, 2006 7:32 PM

Battle_of_Tours

Any form of resistance will be seen as a victory in Arab eyes.

I am sure everyone knows where this is going to end up.

Posted by: km at July 30, 2006 7:40 PM

Hey sis , we're glad he's dead too.
You hit the nail on the head as to what they've been doing, and it is being plastered all over the news. Offering their children as shields.

Yeah, you should be very proud.

Posted by: freewoman at July 30, 2006 7:43 PM

This is interesting.

http://xrl.us/smackdown

Posted by: km at July 30, 2006 7:55 PM

On Sixty Minutes one had a treat -- the bodyguard of Osama bin Laden, smiling, affable, a winning face -- was interviewed by the dumb Bob Simon, ably assisted later on by the dumber Mr. Scheuer. This man (I didn't write down his name) was perfectly believable, perfectly consistent. He's a True Believer. And he admires Bin Laden, would have gladly participated in the 9/11/2001 attack, remembers how Bin Laden bit in to a date and then put a bit in his little son's mouth, a kind of majnoon-based metempsychosis in which the spirit of Bin Laden enters the soul of the young 'un, and the guard, who said that Bin Laden would not tolerate bad words being said, looked forward to that same son growing up and becoming, not an "engineer" as the poor kid said he's like to be, but rather a martyr for the Faith. No doubt many watching assumed that this was a nearly-unique example, that it made no sense, that he must be a crazed extremist. You know differently.

It was appalling to see Scheuer on the show, and more appalling still to find out that he has actually been hired by CBS as some kind of "expert." Expert on what? His knowledge of Islam is non-existent. His knowledge of the great world is clearly slender. He is uneducated, uncultivated, polite in a cub-scout sort of way (even looks like a crewcutted, large, overgrown cub scout), and clearly will add nothing of value beyond the fact that once upon a time, five years or so ago, he proved a complete failure as head of something idiotically called the "Bin Laden Desk" (can you imagine Scheuer being asked to discuss the significance of other terrorist groups, or their comparative importance, or even being asked to make sense of the instruments of Jihad other than terrorism, such as what Hizb-ut-Tahrir has to offer in its campaigns of carefully-targetted Da'wa in the Western world?). Yet there he is, on a fat retainer from CBS.

Whose bright idea was that? Who decides what "experts" to hire? And why are they always, those "experts," in "terrorism" rather than in the broader matter of JIhad?

Well, Scheuer makes the case for the proposition that after the Cold War, after all those clever European immigrants from Central and Eastern Europe had helped the CIA, and whatever one thinks about the objects of James Angleton's suspicions, his general cultivation (anyone read the literary review he edited in college with Reed Whittemore? I have a nice copy) and that of other agents of the period made them better able to function. I am thinking fondly of a grandson of Buffalo Bill, met in Paris, the brother of a famous Harvard archeologist, who used to be stationed in Rome, the son of a famous writer who apparently helped to ease a Soviet general into a watery grave, a lacustrine grave, somewhere in Europe. If people at this level still exist in the CIA, and in the the "anti-Jihad" department -- hey, is there such a department at the CIA, or is this still too painful to recognize and to fathom? -- they are nowhere in evidence.

When one sees former CIA employees who turn out to be as unimpressive, as slow-witted as Scheuer, it's worrisome. Or glamour girls like the one married to the oily, Gucci-loafered Joe Wilson -- like Valerie Plame, the one now suing for all that money. It's enoough worrying about infiltrators on behalf of Islam, the kind who tried recently to "volunteer" for service in the British security services. It's more than enough worrying about those who apparently find that they sympathize with, can even make the case for, terrorist groups, men such as Alistair Crooke who lobbied on behalf of Hamas (a reflection of what? of antipathy to Israel, for the obvious reasons, so great that he could not see the connection of one terrorist group to another, could not see how Hamas threatens not just Israelis but all Infidels?). How many more Crookes are there, still at MI5? How many more Scheuers? Moral simpletons, and the other kind, and even publicity-hounds pretending to be the opposite, in our new and unimproved security services, are a problem for Infidels everywhere.

Posted by: Hugh at July 30, 2006 8:01 PM

Check out this Photo from a Canadian News site , Hezbollah supporters in Lebanon angry at Kofi's pull out the UNIFIL "Shields" use to launch rocket bombs filled with ball-bearings .

Note how this punk wears nice clothes and is fit enough to kick in a Window while holding a flag, now that the Lebanese have turned on the U.N. who will be the Peacekeepers watching Hamas and Hezbollah .

http://www.cbc.ca/story/world/national/2006/07/30/mideast.html

Posted by: ala-sux at July 30, 2006 8:24 PM

The news that Israel has succumbed to Rice's thoughtless pressure, and agreed to halt its own bombing for two days (and how many missiles have to land from Hezbollah, how many Israeli civilians have to die, in order for the score to be sufficiently "even" so as to allow the Israelis to avoid that idiotic charge of a
"disproportional" response?), is not good. Not good because it implies that the figures offered by Hezbolllah propagandists are simply to be taken seriously. We do not know, and cannot accept, the numbers offered by Hezbollah. To hear them, no one in that building was anything other than a civilian, having nothing to do with Hezbollah. Is that: 1) likely 2) plausible 3) not likely at all? In the scene of the deplorable, because incapable-of-context or deeper understanding report of Richard Engel, of NBC (his dispatches should be collected, and used in some journalism classes as monitory examples, of how not to report on wars without establishing an intelligent context.

The context is clear. 1,700 missiles have landed in Israel, possibly 1/8 of the total brought in, and distributed about Lebanon, over six years, six years of constant preparation leading to the kind of attack that Hezbollah has mounted during the past two weeks. Every single one of those missiles was sent, directionless, into or close to an Israeli city. Every single one was meant, therefore, for civilians. Meanwhile, the Israelis managed to leaflet and leaflet again most of sothern Lebanon. They warned, a full hour in advance, that they would bomb the Beirut airport. Again and again they have made clear exactly what areas or in some cases, exactly what targets related to Hezbollah they would be hitting. It is morally unacceptable to expect the government and people of Israel to receive 1,700 missiles in their cities and villages, and not to attack wherever they suspect those remaining 7/8 of Hezbollah's hoard may be kept.

Engel mentioned counting the bodies of something like 22 who were, he said, "boys."
Boys of what age? Seventeen, or seven? And that is a different figure from that bandied about, of 57 -- which would imply that everyone in this building, from which, or next to which, missiles had been fired into Israel, was an "innocent civilian." Are you quite prepared to accept that? Are you quite prepared to accept the claim that every single one of those villagers, who have been killed in groups of 10, 20, and 30, in Afghanistan by coalition forces, are always and everywhere "innocent civilians"? Are you prepared to denounce any attempt by anyone to fight back against an enemy, no matter how ruthless that enemy, if "innocent civilians" cna be killed? Do you lie awake at night thinking of the British and American airmen over Berlin, or over Dresden, wheer 135,000 were incinerated in one night? What about all the other bombings in World War II, including the famous accidental bombing of a Danish (or Dutch) orphan's home by
American and RAF bombers, who thought it was Gestapo headquarters, but were mistaken. Should the war have stopped at that point? A time out?

When suddenly did different rules apply to Israel from those applied to all other countries, in all other wars. Clearly the Israelis have done everything they can to warn civilians to get out of Hezbollahland. What more would you have them do? Would the world have them simply accept another few hundred or a thousand missiles, and then to wait, in permanent fear, not knowing what Hezbollah had done with the 8,000 or so that may remain, intact and ready to go?

What citizens of what country in what world would tolerate that possibility?

Condoleeza Rice is easily shaken. She is not solid. She is not up to the job.

Posted by: Hugh at July 30, 2006 8:25 PM

Hugh said:

When suddenly did different rules apply to Israel from those applied to all other countries, in all other wars. Clearly the Israelis have done everything they can to warn civilians to get out of Hezbollahland.

I say:
We have to go through this process so that more countries turn against Israel.

Posted by: km at July 30, 2006 8:40 PM

Hugh said:

When suddenly did different rules apply to Israel from those applied to all other countries, in all other wars. Clearly the Israelis have done everything they can to warn civilians to get out of Hezbollahland.

I say:
We have to go through this process so that more countries turn against Israel.

Posted by: km at July 30, 2006 8:41 PM

Hugh,

Isreal has done everything according to the book, but remember, terrorists are not like truly trained solders, they will use inocent folks as shields. These would bring about war crimes charges.

Condoleeza Rice, to be very honest, I am not suprise she would push for this 48 hours cease fire thing. Got to remember that there is efforts to try to get her to run in 2008, for president, even though she said no. Truth is, she is, as you have put it, too easily shaken, to be able to lead.

Posted by: bigcatgirl13106 at July 30, 2006 8:43 PM

Hugh,

Isreal has done everything according to the book, but remember, terrorists are not like truly trained solders, they will use inocent folks as shields. These would bring about war crimes charges.

Condoleeza Rice, to be very honest, I am not suprise she would push for this 48 hours cease fire thing. Got to remember that there is efforts to try to get her to run in 2008, for president, even though she said no. Truth is, she is, as you have put it, too easily shaken, to be able to lead.

Posted by: bigcatgirl13106 at July 30, 2006 8:44 PM

Hugh,

Isreal has done everything according to the book, but remember, terrorists are not like truly trained solders, they will use inocent folks as shields. These would bring about war crimes charges.

Condoleeza Rice, to be very honest, I am not suprise she would push for this 48 hours cease fire thing. Got to remember that there is efforts to try to get her to run in 2008, for president, even though she said no. Truth is, she is, as you have put it, too easily shaken, to be able to lead.

Posted by: bigcatgirl13106 at July 30, 2006 8:44 PM

Opps again on the double posting!

Posted by: bigcatgirl13106 at July 30, 2006 8:44 PM

lol BigCatGirl think ya got a tripple with that one

Posted by: AMartinez at July 30, 2006 9:30 PM

Folks, something big is going to happen either on August 22 or a day or two before it. I just have this feeling about it.

Would anybody like to place their bets on what is going to take place? My guesses include the test-firing of a nuke (sold to the Iranians by the North Koreans); or maybe the use of WMD against U.S. troops operating in Iraq.

Posted by: Steven L. at July 30, 2006 9:33 PM

Hugh writes:

What about all the other bombings in World War II, including the famous accidental bombing of a Danish (or Dutch) orphan's home by American and RAF bombers, who thought it was Gestapo headquarters, but were mistaken. Should the war have stopped at that point? A time out?

In World War II, horrific scenes of the aftermath of such attacks--the civilians who were incinerated by Allied bombs--wasn't instantly broadcast into every living room around the world. Americans in their living rooms never got to see what the aftermath of Dresden was. And while the news media did have newsreels back then, the American news media exercised considerable restraint in what they showed the folks back home, because they considered themselves Americans first and journalists second.

But that all changed with the first Gulf War of 1991, when CNN became not an "American news media," but the news media for the world, including Muslim countries. (Mubarak, for example, said he had been watching the CNN broadcasts throughout the war.) And CNN's concern for their Nielsen ratings in Muslim countries has led to both sides in this jihad war being given equal treatment (can you imagine CBS giving equal treatment to Hitler's claims in World War II?). And it has led to the most horrific war videos being broadcast into every American and Israeli home, night after night after night.

The result has been, frankly, to make it much harder for democratic countries to sustain popular support for war. And it has given terrorist organizations like Hezbollah a way to shape the message by actions that play well on TV.

Posted by: Steven L. at July 30, 2006 9:49 PM

Hugh:
When suddenly did different rules apply to Israel from those applied to all other countries, in all other wars.
It's just antisemitism. Israel is Special. Whatever Israel decides to do, it's always wrong. Israel cannot take a course of action that isn't absolutely wrong.

If Israel has commited warcrimes, then so did the Allied forces during World War II, and the US during the Korean war and... well, what army hasn't killed civilians by accident? Oh, but those dirty Jews are so Special that they have to abide by higher standards, even as they do everything they can to minimize civilian deaths, and even as Hezbollah does everything it can to maximize civilian deaths.

If Israel needs to give back its land to the Palestinians (we'll assume for argument's sake that they stole it), then the US must give its lands back to the Native Americans. Australians need to leave too. Japan better get the hell out of Okinawa. Actually, why don't we ask Turkey to back off so we can rebuild Constantinople?

For fuck's sake.

Another thing: in this glorious age of instant mass communication, it seems to be suprisingly hard to communicate. Muslims can openly state that they wish to conquer the entire world and kill anyone who doesn't convert to Islam, and nobody even notices. Muslims can openly state in the middle of major Western cities that Islam will dominate and all infidels are to be murdered or converted. Nobody notices. The world did notice, however, that Bush said a swear word when he talked to Tony Blair. That's important information.

Posted by: Jesus Christ Supercop at July 30, 2006 10:17 PM

Imagine living right next door to a ball bearing factory in Schweinfurt, Germany in 1943, or a Krupp steel mill in Essen. Now imagine one day all hell breaks loose, and you are dead because the British and American military leaders did not drop leaflets warning civilians that a massive air raid would commence in one week.
We commonly call that WAR. Israel may truly want to save Muslim lives, but it will cost the IDF in more casualties and wasted ordnance.

Now is not the time worry about 300 or 400, or even 1000, newly minted martyrs for Mohammed. Now is the time to worry about whether Hezbolla and all the other Islamonazis can be defeated. We may very well be watching the campaign that determines whether there will be an Israel ten years from now and Christianity 50 years from now.

I do not want my grandsons to be forced to grow beards, learn to beat their wives, or pray with their "good" sides pointed skyward. We must win. If we cannot win the Muslim hearts and minds, we must stop their hearts.

Posted by: Pelayo at July 30, 2006 10:22 PM

After watching the part of "Obsession" that outlined the connection between Islam and Nazism, I prefer the term "Islamonazi" instead of "Islamofascist." I am not aware of any connection between Moussolini and Islam. The word "fascism" does not arouse the history of Jew-hating like "nazism" does.

Posted by: Pelayo at July 30, 2006 10:34 PM

km:
"Folks, something big is going to happen either on August 22 or a day or two before it."

It's probably bluff, typical minnie-Hitler-Mahmoud posturing. It's possible they bought an A bomb from N Korea, and then fitted it on one of their own 'guided' missiles, since we know the NK ones couldn't hit the broad side of a barn. If they did launch something, where would it hit? Would they know? Would we know?

But I suspect it's, as you say, more takiyya. No 12th Imam flying in the sky, unless it's an early Santa and his 12 raindeer. They're just stalling, as usual, more of that incredibly incredible Islam mind numbing irrationalism, ergo, they lie.

Posted by: Battle_of_Tours at July 30, 2006 10:39 PM

Hello, all:

I'm a long-time lurker, and first time poster.

Re: Iran's plans for the 22nd, I'm wondering if Iran will launch an EMP attack over Israel. This would:

* Spectacularly establish Iran's nuclear capability (through purchased warheads).

* Would be spun as designed to stop Israeli attacks on Hezbollah and Hamas, while not targeting civilians as a direct strike would, (and hence not justifying a nuclear counterstrike).

* Would be designed to eliminate Israel's technology advantage, making the guerrilla warfare of its enemies more effective.

* Would seem to fit Farid Ghadry's reading of Ahmadinajead's threat:

"August 21, 2006 (Rajab 27, 1427) is known in the Islamic calendar as the Night of the Sira’a and Miira'aj, the night Prophet Mohammed (saas) ascended to heaven from the Aqsa Mosque in Jerusalem on a Bourak (Half animal, half man), while a great light lit-up the night sky...What Iran's Ahmadinajead is promising the world by August 22 is the light in the sky over the Aqsa Mosque that took place the night before."

Posted by: vergescue at July 31, 2006 12:03 AM

What Israel is suffering, or enduring, at the hands of the press and television is exactly what all civilizated nations, all the countries of the West, will face, or are facing, in the future. Look, for example, at the Muslim riots in France. There was very little sympathy expressed in other Western countries, as the BBC and other supposedly Western news organizations explained nothing about the curious inability of Muslims in France to integrate into French society in the way that all other immigrant groups appear capable of doing, that those Muslmis harbored hostility toward the French state and toward French people that required some kind of explanation that was not forthcoming, and otherwise explain the many benefits that Muslims receive in France (free medical care, free education, subsidized or free housing) and their inexplicable -- without a knowledge of Islam -- rage and fury, and feeling that is incorrectly described as "humiliation" but was, in fact, merely a fury that their position, in a society dominated still by Infidels, is contra naturam, is unjust, is not right, is against the expressed will of Allah and the example of Muhammad.

Posted by: Hugh at July 31, 2006 12:09 AM

henry:

I think you meant to spell flak without the C .

It was a German acronym during the War and stood for...

Foward
Located
Anti-aircraft
Kannon

They were those little black puffs of schrapnel meant to explode at a selected height and hurl pieces into engines and rip through fuel tanks , it was effective because the planes flew into them and all the flak had to do is be in the flightpath.

BTW, Schrapnel was coined in WW1 , Medic's removed pieces of objects from a soldier named Mr.Schrapnel and bing the first wave of modern bombing it was easier to label all cases as "Schrapnel" .

And you thought JW wouldn't have history lessons woven into the Jihad stories.

Posted by: ala-sux at July 31, 2006 12:44 AM

An EMP explosion over Israel, if at sufficient altitude and megatonnage, would be disastrous. The Jews are surviving by technology. It the microcircuits are fried, the airplanes and tanks would all be stopped, and the Moslems in their bloodlust could swarm over Tel Aviv and the other cities of Israel. But not before the IDF puts several dozen nuclear tipped cruise missiles to the air, assuming these weapons are properly hardened from electromagetic pulse.

Posted by: Alarmed Pig Farmer at July 31, 2006 12:46 AM

Whatever more we can offer, we will. Our men, our children, our siblings.

Posted by: aynrandgirl at July 31, 2006 12:51 AM

Oh great! That’s all we need, now Blair & Bush are talking about sending their troops to south Lebanon to stand between Israel & Lebanon! Australian troops may well follow. As the Muslims hate anybody that isn’t Muslim, and are a deeply paranoid and aggressive set of people, they will see the UN presence as “occupying Muslim land” and “protecting Israel”. This nonsense attitude towards the UN we have already seen in Lebanon with the trashing of their offices and we already know what happened to the last force of UN peace-keepers in Lebanon in the early 80’s. Islamists in Lebanon (of which there are plenty) will launch attacks on the screening UN force, when the UN force fires back it will be “another incident of aggression towards Islam”, and more of our troops will die, and ungrateful and treacherous Muslims that live amongst us will have yet another excuse to bomb our trains and buses.

Posted by: Timbo at July 31, 2006 12:54 AM

I am not a medical expert however I was very interested to see on the MSM that many of the dead bodies 'supposedly' killed by this Isreali missile strike were suffering from rigor mortis. Anyone else here see that and can someone tell me how many hours it takes for rigor mortis to occur. I think there might be more to this 'massacre???' than we know. maybe they had been storing the bodies killed who knows how just waiting to presnt them as Isreali victims.

Posted by: Realist at July 31, 2006 1:21 AM

I share Hugh's dismay at this 48 hour moratorium on the air campaign. It's well known that Israel's Kadima-Labor coalition doesn't have military experience, but what's worse is when it shows.

I just got off watching Ollie North's 'War Stories', and in it, he gave a good refresher course in the history of Hizbullah - including interviews with Terry Anderson and David Jacobsen. They covered the murder of William F Buckley and Robert Stetham, Operation Goldenrod, the bombing of the marine barracks, as well as a history of Hizbullah.

What I find dismaying is the lack of identification of Hizbullah as an enemy in the US - whatever opposition there is to Hizbullah seems based on a solidarity with Israel. While the solidarity is justified, it shouldn't be forgotten that Hizbullah has more American blood on its hands than even al Qaeda. It's a shame that that nugget seems forgotten; what's even worse is that the administration doesn't seem to remember. I am becoming more of a Bush hater by the day - and I supported him both times. Col North's article can be found here.

The other point worth noting is that every Liberal who demands that the US play the role of a mediator is wittingly or unwittingly sacrificing Israel. After all, it's well known that the US has little clout with the Arabs - maybe some with Jordan, Egypt and Saudi Arabia, but absolutely none with Hamas, Hizbullah, Iran or Syria. As a result, whenever anybody demands that the US not take sides, they are essentially asking that Israel be pressurized (as seems to have been the case here), without requiring any compensating pressure on Hizbullah or Hamas, let alone the PA or Lebanon. Anybody who comes up with such demands ought to be treated with scorn.

One silver lining today was for the first time, in addition to the usual US flags, UN flags being burnt, and the UN building in Beirut being stormed (while I condemn the burning of US or Israeli flags, I welcome the burning of UN flags, and am rooting for Kofi Annan to be assassinated on his next visit to Lebanon). That's the plus side of neither Israel nor the US having any embassy there - as a result, the Mohammedan supporters can only take out their rage on the UN. As it is, Liberals around the world worship at the alter of the UN with the sacrament of diplomacy: since they won't listen to us on how worthless the UN is, maybe they'll listen to the demonstrators in Beirut?

Posted by: Infidel Pride at July 31, 2006 1:23 AM

Mustafa Zalzali forgot to mention one thing....

"We thank God almighty AND curse Israel for making us the family of a martyr".

Her theology is truly one huge, perplexing paradox.

"Whatever more we can offer, we will. Our men, our children...."

So does this possibly explain what happened in Qana recently?

Posted by: yadayada at July 31, 2006 1:50 AM

Shrapnel was named after Major-General Henry Shrapnel, an English artillery officer who created the shell in the late 18th to early 19th cent.

And "flak" comes from Fliegerabwehrkanone (aircraft defense cannon).

Posted by: Eisenhund at July 31, 2006 2:33 AM

The rioters attacking the U.N. now create a paradox for the Peacenik protesters here that have portrayed Lebanese as victims.

The only idea the anti-war yahoo's can come up with is the rants about how "The UN needs to send in Peacekeepers" , oh well, I guess they assumed
Israel would just go away after a couple of weeks and Hezbollah would claim victory in the Arab world.
And poor Kofi , another scandal for his memoirs since he quickly convicted israel for the UNIFIL deaths while 2 of the 4 bodies have yet to be found to prove a KIA.
Even in canada while the Mother of the Canadian UN soldier wants a search of the bunker for her son, the media has buried him and shown a tribute at one of the Bases he served at, in the old days you needed a body to prove a murder.

I do find it very telling that while 400 civilians are reported as the number of deaths , the girly-man Hezbollah fighter seem to be unharmed since these martyrs for Allah were used as shields.
As for the age of the bodies being dead,I saw a mock mass burial by Hezbollah where plywood boxes were put in a trench that just happened to be
near the alleged bombing of a area where "Women and children" lived .

Posted by: ala-sux at July 31, 2006 3:20 AM

Pelayoh:
After watching the part of "Obsession" that outlined the connection between Islam and Nazism, I prefer the term "Islamonazi" instead of "Islamofascist." I am not aware of any connection between Moussolini and Islam. The word "fascism" does not arouse the history of Jew-hating like "nazism" does.
I just began watching Obsession, but I'm sceptical... the beginning asserts: "It's important to remember, most Muslims are peaceful and do not support terror." Really? 40% in Indonesia support terror, 70% in Palestine support terror, 40% in the Netherlands support terror (AFAIM)... I think it may have been 40% in Britain (anyone who supports the establishment of Sharia is a terrorist supporter). There's no evidence to suggest that most Muslims are peaceful, but plenty of evidence to suggest otherwise. Neverthless, I'll continue watching.

Posted by: Jesus Christ Supercop at July 31, 2006 4:31 AM

Forgot to add: if the documentary is just going to assert that a Tiny Minority of Muslims are extremists, then what purpose does this documentary serve? Everyone agrees that there are extremists in Islam, but people can't agree on the number of extremists and what makes them tick. So, unless this documentary asserts that Islamic extremism comes from core Islamic teachings, then it's not going to change anybody's mind and thus won't serve any purpose.

Posted by: Jesus Christ Supercop at July 31, 2006 4:33 AM

Well ok, I guess Radical Islamist Extremist refers to an actual terrorist, so maybe 10-15% isn't inaccurate.

I'll shut up now, since I haven't watched it in its entirety yet. :(

Posted by: Jesus Christ Supercop at July 31, 2006 4:48 AM

Well ok, I guess Radical Islamist Extremist refers to an actual terrorist, so maybe 10-15% isn't inaccurate. I'll shut up now, since I haven't watched it in its entirety yet. :(

I think the bigger problem is still immigration though, and not terrorism. But that's a subject nobody can talk about.

Posted by: Jesus Christ Supercop at July 31, 2006 4:49 AM

IceDragon asks "When can our naive so-called "leaders" realise that we are not fighting normal people?"

Its not just our leaders that is the problem. Our leaders consist of a handful of people. The problem is the rest of our naive population, 90% of which are totally clueless about Islam and blame ourselves and Israel for everything that Islam does. On top of this, we have a destructive press and media, lawyers, senseless academics, so-called 'peace activists' and sandal-wearing human rights activists - the PC brigade - who have spent the last 40 years or so collectively undermining our resolve to crush this latest threat to our civilization.

Realist says "I am not a medical expert however I was very interested to see on the MSM that many of the dead bodies 'supposedly' killed by this Isreali missile strike were suffering from rigor mortis. Anyone else here see that and can someone tell me how many hours it takes for rigor mortis to occur."

Rigor mortis can be used to help estimate time of death. The onset of rigor mortis may range from 10 minutes to several hours, depending on factors including temperature (rapid cooling of a body can inhibit rigor mortis, but it occurs upon thawing). Maximum stiffness is reached around 12-24 hours post mortem. Facial muscles are affected first, with the rigor then spreading to other parts of the body. The joints are stiff for 1-3 days, but after this time general tissue decay and leaking of lysosomal intracellular digestive enzymes will cause the muscles to relax. It is interesting to note that meat is generally considered to be more tender if it is eaten after rigor mortis has passed.

Taken from http://chemistry.about.com/cs/biochemistry/a/aa061903a.htm

Posted by: Spirit Of 1683 at July 31, 2006 4:59 AM

Assalamau-Laikum all,

Hugh's comment is interesting on how CNN's effort in the early 90's to show that "our blond boys are faring OK when going to war and how they take every care. Pictures of your blond boys on Abhrams wearing dark green "police" sunglasses on lobster red face shouting "Forwaaaaard....Yeeehaaa" has certainly backfired on Western Armies.

Now they are hamstrung by CNN et al in their effort to try & finish off a ruthless & cunning foe, they cannot fight the "good fight" when muslim womens and childrens are targetted.

Why are the West so surprised at the tactics used by Hizb....you saw these in Iraq...why did people nievely think different ones will be used in Lebonan. Note that distributing leaflets and flyers does not work well.

Hizb have no answer to IDF aircraft bombs...and they don't want to be wiped put immediately....so I see this as little surprise...they don't mind the silly labels...they like to eat chicken..and ofcourse they carry the yellow flags.

Hizb I think will see the death/myterdom of these 60 peoples as a small price to pay for a cessasation to hostilities and obvioulsy will claim it as a victory.

What was also interesting is seeing how dependent Israel is on the US. They are fighting the war, why not fight it their way, but they cannot, lack of US support could spell the end butmaybe not. It has been extrelely interesting to see support for Israel from the Saudis and the Jordanians, they know they will be next if Israel falls.

Now to a possibe ceasefire...Condi wants to speak to Israel and the Lebonan Prime Minister. But the Lebanese army isn't fighting this war?

Who is going to talk to the people really involved ....Nisrullah of Hizb and the Iranians and Syria?

Without talking to Nisrullah...a mutual ceasefire cannot be had. Hizb will not give up it's rockets...I think all that is going to happen is that this 20,000 force will have to fight instead of Israel.

Folks, the next few weeks will determine the fate of the ME for many years to come, let's get it right.

Posted by: Naseem at July 31, 2006 5:47 AM

Rammalammadingdong nassem it ain't over yet,old moe being the backstabber he is in time will seal his own fate.

Posted by: AMartinez at July 31, 2006 6:12 AM

Thanks for the medical information 'Spirit' so my take on that is that as the pictures that we have been getting are supposed to be the immediate ones within minutes as rescuers rushed to help them the bodies should NOT have been showing signs of rigor mortice of the limbs. Also I have never seen a building that explodes and collapses eight hours AFTER a close but not direct missile strike.

Posted by: Realist at July 31, 2006 6:21 AM

Gee.Who's a lucky girl then-your murderous fanatical bro joining Big Allah with all those 'fragrant blood sacrifices' and other 'Holy
Warriors' such as Shamil Basayev in Islamo Fantasy land...Problem is [and always will be]the
character of Mo the original Terrorist/Torturer/Thief/Liar/Paedophile cited as
the 'perfect man.'Lesser problem is all these Muzzos including so called 'moderates' are 500 yrs behind the modern world and rational thinking. If the mountain won't come to Mahomet reckon it is time the West removed Mahomet so we could all enjoy the scenery without being blown up by mad suicide bombers.
By the way never knew Mel Gibson was an alcoholic or a virulent anti semite. Out goes my 'Braveheart'DVD-a lot of it historically incorrect anyway.At this time we must stand in solidarity with Israel.

Posted by: Morgane at July 31, 2006 7:28 AM

As always, Hugh remains on track (although you have been a very busy man lately!) while the rest of us struggle with an infinite number of "what-ifs". This is a good sign that we are still rational and, wisely, very worried about the immediate future. And so we ought to be. Now, what iff..
Nasrallah is merely an egotistical pawn in someone else's bigger game of chess? The rockets being fired into Israel are rather primitive and ineffective when compared with Israel's fire-power.
The MSM is having a field day aiding and abetting the true enemy of freedom, providing them with $billions in free air-time propoganda. Both could easily be seen as buying time for something that "no-one" can envisage (outside that ever-growing number of Westerners who are awakening to the real truth).
What if Hiz'ballah is being used as coldly and ruthlessly as it uses the genuine civilians in Lebanon (those who were forbidden to escape their homes on pain of death)?
What if this possible (probable/definite) smokescreen keeps fooling most of the people for just a lit bit longer?
What if Saudi Arabia et al are actually shit scared (rather than merely angry or disturbed at Hiz'allah's foolish antics)? What if they know what most of us dread to imagine as possible?
Does Israel know? Let's hope so.
Does the US President know? Let's hope so.
What if we know?

Posted by: maranatha50 at August 2, 2006 12:25 AM

Soon the sons & doughters of pig will come to know the the mistakes what they are commiting today in lebanon , Iraq, and elsewhere in the world.
the anger and unrest which they are creating in the world will come to their doors as well.
The army of beleivers will conquer and sons of blood thirsty shame on perez Bush will be defeated every where Iraq, Lebanon and every corner of the globe.
Israel was created for the distruction but it will be destroyed by the God himself. because he does not like the people who kill hundreds of innocents in the name of preventive strikes. you will never be able to sleep peacefully unless you come down to earth and it's realities. get ready for the worse and be ready to go to hell the home of all non beleivers.

Posted by: jafris at August 2, 2006 9:58 AM