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When Iran's Thug-In-Chief sent his letter to President Bush, I pointed out that it had the form of invitations to accept Islam that preceded jihad attacks all the way back to Muhammad's day. The prophet of Islam himself wrote to the Byzantine emperor Heraclius and other rulers, telling them, "Accept Islam and your lives and property will be safe" -- with the clear implication that their lives and property would not be safe if they did not accept Islam. Muhammad directed his followers to call unbelievers to accept Islam or dhimmitude, and to go to war if they rejected both (cf. Sahih Muslim 4294). Ahmadinejad here makes clear that that is exactly what he is doing with Bush: telling him to accept Islam, or face the consequences.
"Iranian Leader Speaks To Mike Wallace," from CBS News, with thanks to Toosmoky:
(CBS) Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad sat down with Mike Wallace in Tehran on Tuesday in a rare, exclusive interview with a Western reporter....Speaking about President Bush's failure to answer his 18-page letter that criticized U.S. foreign policy, Ahmadinejad said, "Well, (with the letter) I wanted to open a window towards the light for the president so that he can see that one can look on the world through a different perspective. … We are all free to choose. But please give him this message, sir: Those who refuse to accept an invitation will not have a good ending or fate...."
Posted by Robert at August 9, 2006 7:32 PM
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Its just a matter of days now...get ready...warn family and friends.
Posted by: storagemanager
at August 9, 2006 7:59 PM
amadhijihadi,
is a good mohammedan,
allah is his god,
and his prophet
shows the way.
Death and destruction
are little to pay
he thinks for the power
he lusts for, not for love,
but to make people cower
and afraid. More than evil! I say
to
amadhijihadi who hates women
and has no real friends,
who is only a puppet of the mullahs
who are the real power behind the throne,
amadhijihadi, be careful,
pride goeth before a fall.
We have heard your call
and we don't accept it at all.
at August 9, 2006 8:15 PM
This is a little off topic, but I'm hearing more and more people come to the conclusion that Israel is losing the war. And now there is talk that Hamas may get its hands on the very same rockets Hezbollah is using.
Israel isn't doing what it takes to wipe these satan worshippers out because of the finger wagging of those great upholders of human rights such as the Islamic world, Russia and China.
What Israel needs to do isn't pretty, but this is a matter of survival. And Israel may need more help from Uncle Sam. Iran is overflowing with petrodollars, and most of the money seems to be going towards project "destroy Israel".
Will America really stand by and watch the fall of a liberal Western democracy at the hands of the Islamofascists? After Israel falls, how long will it be before Turkey and Eastern Europe fall under the boot of Islamofascism?
Posted by: idontslam
at August 9, 2006 8:19 PM
And everybody get this: Bozo J. Chirac has just informed the world it should validate Iran's government presently!!! Way to go France! Let's validate countries that are plotting to murder hundreds of millions of innocent people!!! Now, why didn't I think of that??? It would seem the French are THAT desperate to win back their former status as a 'hyperpower' which means they almost certainly never will.
I posted a few months back when this mighty nut job Ahmadinejad first began "inviting' Bush to convert to Islam I stated HERE that this was the beginning of not merely a war but a sinister Islamic plot to kill ALL LIVING AMERICAN PEOPLE. I stand by that posting as in my opinion that is what is really behind Islam's jihads. However, "I told you so's" ultimately don't help in situations like this (if anywhere).
However, I recently e-mailed President Bush (at Comments@whitehouse.gov) and Senator Dianne feinstein and told them what I think America should do about this menacing Iranian mega-thug and that is to IMMEDIATELY deploy Electro Magnetic Pulse Weapons over Iran's airspace and over all nations like North Korea that are overtly threatening America and other western democracies (would that also include France?--I have begun to think it does although we'll deal with them later). And that he needs to get it over with ASAP.
Without an electronic infrastructure, Iran and countries like it would be able to do precious little with their new weapons of mass destruction from Russia and China. Only an EMP attck would bring this about and stop these countries in their tracks. I can only hope Bush ahd Feinstein both read and understood my message. What Americans do NOT need to get into is another 3+TRILLION DOLLAR military imbroglio-invasion into a hostile Islamosphere hellhole like Iraq that takes us nowhere but into quagmire. In fact, I have trouble seeing in hindsight why the Bush Administration didn't deploy Electro Magnetic Pulse weapons over Iraq in the first place.
I recommend that everyone at Jihad Watch get in touch with their representatives and recommend the US military take IMMEDIATE pre-emptive measures against Iran and its ilk deploying EMP weapons instead of military invasion.
I don't see any other way to stop Iran at this point.
Posted by: pythagoras
at August 9, 2006 8:20 PM
But please give him this message, sir: Those who refuse to accept an invitation will not have a good ending or fate....
... but but but Dubya constantly parrots 'Izlum is a Religion of Peace', which is so nice of him. Surely Islam does not mean harm to such a nice person. Condi, Is this the 'benevolenve in the heart of Islam', you were referring to?
Oh oh.. send Karen Hughes to Iran. She knows how to appeal to muslims. Maybe, she can spare all our lives.
Posted by: Alert
at August 9, 2006 8:20 PM
OT -
Photos of the missing Egyptian students have been posted!
Northeast Intelligence Network
Posted by: miira
at August 9, 2006 8:24 PM
I agree with Storagemanager. I'm ready (actually how ready can you get besides having food and water) and trying to make everyone listen.
If we have to go in and do something, I say go in destroy everything we can see in our sights, not worry if innocents are in a building or stop bombing so Red Cross or the Red Crescent can go in with humanitarian aid. Let these people and their leaders suffer and realize they need to change their ways.
Iran's president and clerics are useless breathers and useless breeders.
at August 9, 2006 8:44 PM
Isn't this typical of CBS; remember the softball interview made by CBS"s Dan Lather with Saddam Hussein not to long before the start of the Iraq war.
Was Mike Wallace given a list of questions he would be allowed to ask this little antisemite who would like to annihilate the western world?
I wonder if FOX TV's Bill Oreilly, or Sean Hannity would get the same interview?- Not likely. >>CNN's Larry King alive, and Wolf Blitzer more than likely yes.
Posted by: Mackie
at August 9, 2006 8:49 PM
Wow -- I'm surprised Mike got out of there alive! I guess we've been warned and warned and warned again. Ahmad is one very patient man -- NOT!!!
May fire reign down from heaven on your Islamic noodle!
Posted by: champ
at August 9, 2006 8:58 PM
JERUSALEM (Reuters) - Members of Iran's Revolutionary Guard have been found among Hizbollah guerrillas slain by Israeli forces in southern Lebanon, Israel's Channel 10 television reported on Wednesday citing diplomatic sources.
It said the Iranians were identified by documents found on their bodies, but gave no further details on how many were discovered or when. Neither the Israeli military nor Hizbollah representatives in Beirut had immediate comment on the report.
Iran, like fellow Hizbollah patron Syria, insists its support for the Shi'ite guerrilla group is purely moral.
Israel says many of the rockets being fired against its civilian and military targets are Iranian made, and that Hizbollah fighters taking on its forces trained in Iran. Washington also accuses Tehran of actively funding Hizbollah.
Iran's Revolutionary Guards are traditionally very close to fellow Shi'ite Muslims in Hizbollah and were deployed in south Lebanon in the 1980s.
http://reuters.myway.com/article/20060809/2006-08-09T214818Z_01_L09100220_RTRIDST_0_NEWS-MIDEAST-LEBANON-IRANIANS-DC.html
at August 9, 2006 9:05 PM
Mike Wallace is nothing but a selfhating Jew. His son Chris is more intuned to the real menance the West faces, how did he ever get away from his father's ideas is quite an achievment. for those who chide Bush for saying islam is a religion of peace, well Clinton blamed the US for all things about 9-11,etc. Bush has been Israel's best friend of all
the US presidents, and any other Western government.
l am proud that even our Cdn pm is also saying Israel needs to protect herself. much improvement of our last PM!
at August 9, 2006 9:13 PM
Millerite warnings about how some gigantic catastrophe is about to occur, as in the first posting above, damage this website. Someone coming here for the first time might think that the website is some kind of freak show, and it is not. The posting has not pulled, but more of this stuff should and will be.
Why? Because if and when the fatidic date passes, and nothing happens, it will be just like Mr. Miller on October 23, 1844, trying to explain himself. No, it will be worse, because this kind of chicken-little stuff does not convince but rather is part of the problem, in trying to convince those who have not and will not either study, or give full credence to what they do study, about Islam, and who may come to believe that those who post at this website (or still worse, those who run it) are hysterically warning of dire consequences on a specific date.
Warning of dire consequences, yes. Warning of dire consequences, solely of the bombing variety, and on a specific date, no. The warning is about the nature, the tenets, the attitudes, the atmospherics of Islam, the craziness of Islam, the way in which even the so-called "moderate" Muslims contribute to confusing the naive and unwary Infidels, and in so doing, help to promote the Jihad -- defeined not as combat, but as the use of many varied instruments, including the money weapon, Da'wa, and demographic conquest, which are likely to be far more effective in spreading Islam until it dominates everywhere, and Muslims rule (the very idea is so foreign to most of us, so hard to believe, that of course most will not believe it, will refuse to look at the evidence, or having looked at it, will perform every mental trick possible to evade or avoid recognizing the unpleasant truths that are through such study revealed.
The world is not coming to an end. But the Infidels everywhere are threatened, and threatened not least by their own leaders, and own media, that will not or cannot or must not convey or recognize the truth of all the matters set out, day after day, here.
Posted by: Hugh
at August 9, 2006 9:17 PM
from the article: "Ahmadinejad said, "Well, (with the letter) I wanted to open a window towards the light for the president..."
What does one say to that? Truly, it ( along with so much of the day's news) leaves me speechless.
I am simply reminded of our own DC Watson's comment at frontpagemag today:
http://www.frontpagemagazine.com/Articles/ReadArticle.asp?ID=23759
"What is so laughable about these Islamists is that they migrate from the Middle East and parts of Africa where illiteracy runs rampant, move to some of the most intellectually and technologically advanced nations in the world, and attempt to pass Islam off as something so complicated that only they can interpret it accurately. Their only defense for the Qur’an’s violent verses, and the ongoing actions of Islamic barbarians we see on the news, is to tell us that we’re ignorant of Islam and that we take the verses in the Qur’an “out of context.” There are decent, tolerant Muslims in the world. However, Islam’s 1400-year history indicates that it is not tolerant: it is militant."
Along the same lines, it is obvious that Ahmadinejad comes from such a backwards, illiterate world (circa 7th century), that he actually imagines that he has some light to shed on the 21st century!
The scary thing, though, is that so many 21st century westerners actually treat the guy as a legitimate statesman!
When westerners realize that this guy is actually SERIOUS, with all his "Death to Israel" and "Death to America" rhetoric, it ought to be a wake-up call that it's time to get out of the U.N. where civilized people are forced to give 2 minutes credence to the rantings of barbarians!
Good lord, I recall that George Bush used the term "Crusades" exactly ONE TIME and everyone freaked out. This guy has been uttering the most insane, genocidal stuff for months on end now.
This is crazy. Is the westerns world's willingness to entertain this sort of lunacy some sort of affirmative action program or something? Humor the brown man in order to give him a leg up in the realm of serious international relations even if he represents the antithesis of everything one's own culture stands for and he shows no shyness whatsoever - rather absolute confidence - in threatening our culture (and that includes Israel first and foremost) with annhilation?
Truly, all this (including the supposed free world's sell-out of Israel) leaves one rather speechless, which may actually account for the relative fall-off in blog comments here recently.
Surely a point is coming soon when this whole thing will be revealed as the farce it is - a pathetic attempt to gloss over what is really and truly a clash of civilizations and a fight to the death.
Not enough westerners are standing up and telling Muslims that they have no intention of returning to 7th century mores. There's certainly no shame in doing so. It's pretty much of a no-brainer actually.
Just say NO to Islam. Loudly. And violently even when Muslims simply refuse to hear the more polite message, the "invitation" to join the 21st century, as it were.
Posted by: Caroline
at August 9, 2006 9:26 PM
Hugh...Iran's Revolutionary Guards were among the dead today..I see a war with Iran coming very soon and I believe we do have cells ready to go in America...It was not an end of the World post but a get ready for a bigger war and maybe many attacks at home.
Posted by: storagemanager
at August 9, 2006 9:27 PM
http://www.cbc.ca/canada/nova-scotia/story/2006/08/09/lebanese-solberg.html
I'll see that insult .... as raise you one ungreatfull New-canadain attacking our Prime Minister.
Here's a link to your typical piece of crap that has been infecting Canada and embolding Islamists , while the ink is barely dry on he Citizenship Papers he spews hatred for Israel, Bush,Canada, HMPM Harper , and feels Canada didn't do enough to evacuate 40'000 Dual Citizens
that still had a Canadian passport somewhere in the closet.
With 84% of Lebanese claiming to support Hezbollah's terrorism and kidnapping, I don't
want 40'000 pro-Hezbollah Jew-bashers back in Canada.
The endless rallies for Peace by Lebanese here in canada proves that once they get out of that hell-hole they quickly become Lebanese - Canadian and pine for the homeland they just left.
The liberals degraded our Citizenship to a mere 3 year stay or vacation , at the current rate of desertion there will be more Canadian outside of Canada then inside .
Posted by: ala-sux
at August 9, 2006 9:43 PM
"I'm Mike Wallace."
"I'm Morley Safer."
"I'm Ed Bradley."
"I'm Steve Croft."
"I'm Leslie Stahl."
"And I have been made victorious with terror. Those stories, and Andy Rooney, tonight on 60 Minutes.
at August 9, 2006 9:50 PM
Those who refuse to accept an invitation will not have a good ending or fate...."
Well George?
Hugh writes:
The world is not coming to an end.
Actually, I agree -- I do not think it is going to end on Iran's terms anyway.
Millerite warnings about how some gigantic catastrophe is about to occur, as in the first posting above, damage this website. Someone coming here for the first time might think that the website is some kind of freak show, and it is not. The posting has not pulled, but more of this stuff should and will be.
I'm not sure that the first posting was a warning of the Millerite variety -- it isn't 1844-- it's 2006 and a mad man armed with nuclear has threatened to use the damn things in not so many words.
Respectfully, the freak show is in Iran -- storemanger has a valid point, especially if you happen to be in Israel at the moment.
Posted by: witness
at August 9, 2006 9:51 PM
How about offering advice to visitors of a different kind than one of those variantions on the signboard reading "Get Ready -- the End Is How about instead suggesting that visitors read, study, and then go out and perform Da'wa -- Muslims do it always and everywhere, so why shouldn't we who are threatened by their Da'wa conduct, with as much determination, our counter-Da'wa. Spend time every day trying to argue with, to convince people, of the rightness of your view of things. Tell them about Islam. Suggest books to read. Lend or give them copies of relevant studies (such as "The Myth of Islamic Tolerance"). Make sure your local library orders such books, and don't take no for an answer. Try everyday to recommend this site every day to a fixed number of people, knowing that many of them will never do it -- but some will. Start with skeptical or brainwashed relatives and friends, but include the man who sat next to you on the bus, the girl at the checkout counter, the mailman, the man who comes to fix the dishwasher, anyone you can. It is not hard to get the conversation around to Islam; there are a thousand ways to do it. Couch it in terms that your audience will find acceptable. Someone consumed with fury at Bush? Very well then, tell him what a waste the Iraq War is, and as he nods with pleasure hijack his own views, and tell him that yes, of course, for Bush to be so foolish as to overlook the sectarian and ethnic divisions that could so easily help to divide and demoralize and weaken the camp of Islam -- no doubt not what your interlocutor was expecting, but give it to him. Make it interesting, make it plausible, make the bitter medicine about Islam go down. As you do this more and more often, you will acquire more experience as to what works, and with whom, and what doesn't.
But don't stop. You are not being asked to get in a truck, as those young Israeli boys must do, and move into southern Lebanon in order to fight primitives who are beneath you in every way, and who are perfectly content to die. You are only being asked, in the safety of North America and Western Europe, to educate your fellow Infidels. It is not much to ask of yourself.
Posted by: Hugh
at August 9, 2006 9:54 PM
How about offering advice to visitors of a different kind than one of those variantions on the signboard reading "Get Ready -- the End Is How about instead suggesting that visitors read, study, and then go out and perform Da'wa -- Muslims do it always and everywhere, so why shouldn't we who are threatened by their Da'wa conduct, with as much determination, our counter-Da'wa. Spend time every day trying to argue with, to convince people, of the rightness of your view of things. Tell them about Islam. Suggest books to read. Lend or give them copies of relevant studies (such as "The Myth of Islamic Tolerance"). Make sure your local library orders such books, and don't take no for an answer. Try everyday to recommend this site every day to a fixed number of people, knowing that many of them will never do it -- but some will. Start with skeptical or brainwashed relatives and friends, but include the man who sat next to you on the bus, the girl at the checkout counter, the mailman, the man who comes to fix the dishwasher, anyone you can. It is not hard to get the conversation around to Islam; there are a thousand ways to do it. Couch it in terms that your audience will find acceptable. Someone consumed with fury at Bush? Very well then, tell him what a waste the Iraq War is, and as he nods with pleasure hijack his own views, and tell him that yes, of course, for Bush to be so foolish as to overlook the sectarian and ethnic divisions that could so easily help to divide and demoralize and weaken the camp of Islam -- no doubt not what your interlocutor was expecting, but give it to him. Make it interesting, make it plausible, make the bitter medicine about Islam go down. As you do this more and more often, you will acquire more experience as to what works, and with whom, and what doesn't.
But don't stop. You are not being asked to get in a truck, as those young Israeli boys must do, and move into southern Lebanon in order to fight primitives who are beneath you in every way, and who are perfectly content to die. You are not being asked to patrol in Fallujah, Ramadi, Tikrit, or to try to keep the peace between the hideous Sunnis and the hideous Shi'a in Baghdad, all to "bring freedom" to those who will always hate Infidels, just as long as they remain faithful to Islam. You are only being asked, in the safety of North America and Western Europe, to educate your fellow Infidels. It is not much to ask of yourself.
Posted by: Hugh
at August 9, 2006 9:55 PM
I wish I could be over there in the fight,but alas I am 48 with copd....I warn people about Islam everyday...I see alot of people during my day...a war with Iran is coming and so are more terror attacks....By get ready...water,food and keep car full of gas....weapons and first aid kits...a plan for the family....The war will hit our shores...doesnt hurt to be ready.
Posted by: storagemanager
at August 9, 2006 10:15 PM
The Economist claims to know why America supports Israel.
Personally, it sounds like a lot of biased commentary.
When Ahmedinejad keeps claiming that he wants to wipe Israel off the map, how many ways are there to interpret that?
The Europeans supposedly "see Israel as a reminder of the atavistic forces—from nationalism to militarism—that it has spent the post-war years trying to grow beyond."
I consider this to be The Big Lie.
I feel the real reason behind the European loathing of Israel is that the European old-guard have been hell-bent on by rallying the West to pursue ColdWar revenge against the Russians. These old-guard Europeans see wars like Iraq and Lebanon as frustrating distractions from the "true cause" of taking revenge against Moscow.
"Dammit, we were so close to skewering Moscow using the Chechens and busting their Serb allies using Bosnians/Albanians -- but now these damn Bushies and Jews had to screw things up with their silly wars! All because of some silly little 9/11 thing! Who cares about that -- it's Pax Europa that really counts!"
I call these people Atlanticists, symbolized by Madeleine Korbel Albright along with her mentor Zbigniew Brzinski. Extra-territorialists, every one of them. It was Korbel-Albright who helped sucker Israel into the "land-for-peace" trap.
I feel the so-called "EU-manitarians" from Brussels are upto no good. I even feel that some of these Atlanticists were pursuing support for the Taliban during the Clinton era, before they lost control of the operation and it blew up in their faces.
Once that the situation has spun out of control and prompted a vigorous American reaction at the grassroots following 9/11, these Atlanticists had to beat a hasty retreat. Now they're simply trying to stage a comeback in the guise of more "EU-manitarianism". After all, it's not like they could come out openly to overtly state their extra-territorialist agenda. So they have to hide behind pious moral preaching statements like "we civilized people should progress beyond the need for such barbaric bloodshed" (you know what they really mean is "can you hurry up and get your stupid war off the plate, so that we can get our righteous war onto the plate? Onward to Leningrad! Vite, vite! Schnell, schnell!")
That's what I really think about all the BS bleeding-heart crap coming out of Europe. I think it's just a fake line, designed to cover up for something more sinister with less than humanitarian intent.
Comments, anyone?
Posted by: sanman
at August 9, 2006 10:37 PM
Going to war as with Iran we Americans did in Iraq is likely to backfire on us and sink our already slowing economy. Forget about sending in the ground troops and getting our young people killed in a place that really may not be worth it. (I am not a peacemonger by any means, at least not when it comes to Islamic terrorism as anyone who has read my other posts probably knows). There are much better ways the United States can spend 3 trillion dollars than invading Iran (which may be too big geographically for us to manage--the place is at least four times the size of Iraq).
This time, instead of sending hundreds of thousands of our finest young men and women to fight in yet another hostile land that apparently hates us and most of what we stand for, why not play it smart and eliminate Iran's capacity to war against the western democacies with its weapons of mass destruction (which in all probability are made in Russia and China and supplied to the Iranians by the aforementioned countries) by detonating Electro Magnetic Pulse Weapons over its airspace and destroying its electronic infrastructure--we could then repeat as necessary and do the same with such lethal no-gooders as North Korea and Venezuela before they unleash their nuclear horrors upon the world.
That, to the best of my knowledge is the war the United States should be fighting.
One word of caution whatever we decide to do: Iran is presently in bed with China, Russia, France and several other non-friends of ours. We all need to be prepared for a worldwide backlash launched by any of these countries if we take pre-emptive military action against Iran (although that should NOT stop us from taking that pre-emptive military action as long as I say we are not mired in a losing ground invasion again).
Posted by: pythagoras
at August 9, 2006 10:43 PM
"Those who refuse to accept an invitation will not have a good ending or fate...."
Iranian Pencil Neck, you are hereby invited to surrender to the US Marines...
Remember, he who messes with the bull gets the horns.
Posted by: angryeagle
at August 9, 2006 10:57 PM
Pythagoras, I feel that we needlessly alienated the Russians early on by bringing NATO right upto their borders, and that has now shoved them into bed with the Iranians.
I feel that the US must achieve regime-change in Iran. I feel that the US should have invaded Iran instead of Iraq, since the latter has historically been a natural quagmire. Iran's Ayatollahs have long been unpopular at home, and the bloom has long faded from their revolution. An invasion of Iran to decapitate its leadership and effect regime-change would have been a far simpler affair than invading the ethnically fractious Iraq. Iran at least has much more ethnic homogeneity than Iraq does, although regions like Baluchistan and Azeristan have shown sparks for independence.
I don't think Bush's invasion of Iraq was a militarily or strategically sound decision. Iran would have been the better choice by far. Iran is also a natural access route to Central Asia, much less problematic than Pakistan with its nuke proliferation, assistance to Taliban/AlQaeda, and its standoff with India.
There is no way that mere surgical strikes against Iranian reactors will do. Leaving the Iranian regime intact would only allow them to mushroom any Middle East problems out of control. They would retaliate using Shiites in Iraq, Afghanistan, Lebanon and throughout the Gulf. The price of oil would go over $200/barrel then, and the world economy would be sunk.
No way that the Ayatollah regime should be allowed to survive. The world would only go to hell in a handbasket if they get nukes, and even if their nukes are temporarily set back, they'll only move inexorably toward them again while spraying terrorism all over the place in the meantime.
Posted by: sanman
at August 9, 2006 11:00 PM
The world is not coming to an end.
Posted by: Hugh at August 9, 2006 09:17 PM
++++++++++++++++
There will be no peace with islam only war.
If civilization does not regress 3,000 or 4,000 years, civilization will take a beating like never before.
Prepare for war is coming.
Be armed for war will occur in America.
Be ready for it can start at any time.
Priorities: Arms, ammunition, food then a safe haven if possible. Have escape plans and drive them at different times of the day and night. Make plans with your family to meet somewhere if you are at work and they are at school/home. Have back packs ready for ammo and sports bags ready for your food. Load your weapons and be willing to use same for your life and the lives of your family may depend on this.
If you can not leave your home, have plywood, lumber, plastic and screws/nails to secure the windows and doors in your home. Hang from the ceiling in your garage. Electric generator to keep your frig & or freezer cold until perishable food can be used up. Twenty plus gallons of gas for same. Portable propane tanks and a cook stove that uses same. Fill ever container in the house with water.
Hepa filter to filter outside air. Build a box and put a fan on the box to pull air through a hepa filter from the outside to pressurize your home.
This is only a part of the planning that is required. Being prepared takes planning and dollars. Make a plan and follow it for your own safety and the safety of your family.
It appears that we will have a bleak future for a while.
The Texican.
Freedom, the only choice at any cost and the cost will be immense.
at August 9, 2006 11:12 PM
I don’t mean to sound alarmist, but it sure seems like things are coming to a head:
13JUL- Ahmedinejad’s statement that the world will soon witness the demise of Israel.
19 JUL-Hezbollah is ready to attack US interests worldwide; claims of ‘unimaginable’ losses if Syria is hit.
23 JUL-Ahmedinejad states Israel doomed to destruction; sleeper cells worldwide reportedly placed on standby.
27 JUL- Ahmedinejad’s statement that Israel, ‘whose philosophy is based on threats, massacre, and invasion, has reached its finishing line.’
30 JUL-Revolutionary Guard Commander ‘I ask god to arouse the dignity of Muslims and destroy America, Israel, and their associates.'
02 AUG-Statements to the effect that Iran owns nuclear technology.
Iran just threatened us. Add the 22AUG talk, Iranian casualties in Lebanon, Iran thumbing its nose at the United Nations, Tanzanian uranium for spice, and it sure sounds like something’s in the works. The fact that Ahmedinejad seems to be a megalomaniac with a severe stature and cleanliness complex has me worried that he’s not just posturing. Especially when death isn’t necessarily a bad thing in his eyes.
What can we do? An air-burst may do something but Iran’s got the cash to buy EMP-proofed wiring for critical military applications and the Russians have the brains to sell it to them. Nuclear weapons’ fabrication is a pretty complicated process and you don’t need to take out all of their capabilities, just one or two critical steps to move them ten years backwards. A couple of bunker-busters with a clean-up crew of a few SEAL Teams would be pretty effective if we needed to take out a military target.
I can’t help but feel that these guys hate each other more than they hate us. The most ethical answer is an isolation strategy (immigration reform, nuclear power, targeted deportations), with outpost bases in Kurdistan and Afghanistan to deliver disproportionate responses and knock their technologies back a decade if necessary. That is, if this whack-job doesn’t force the West to do something a little more violent.
Posted by: limes
at August 9, 2006 11:58 PM
The world will not end, Hugh, but the ramifications of a nuclear strike on Israel will devastate our economy in a way 9/11 didn't. I suggest you think about the consequences of such an event.
A nuclear device detonates over Tel Aviv. Another one detonates over Haifa. 250000 Jews are killed.
What does Israel do?
In all probability, Israel hits Tehran. Say 400,000 Iranians killed.
That is the beginning.
Now, what do you think happens to the price of gas? Gas goes to $10 a barrel overnight. Consumer panic sets in. The stock market plummets as millions also panic and try to liquidate their stocks.
That is just the beginning.
Our society is fragile. It works smoothly only as long as every part of it works smoothly. But if you pull on one thread, the whole thing starts to unravel.
Maybe nothing happens on August 22. But if you think that warning people that a great disaster might be coming is being foolish and makes this site look bad, then you are more concerned with image than with an ugly reality that many would rather not deal with. Which is a criticism one could say of George Bush, the MSM, the muslim apologists, the liberals, the left, and everyone who would prefer not to talk about the 600 lb gorilla in the room.
Posted by: August22
at August 10, 2006 12:01 AM
To a poster above who noted Israel may have to do some dreadful things. I agree. If Hamas starts lobbing sophisticated Rockets into Israel, Israel may have to simply take them out, expel them, or a combination. The support Israel would need is not financial. Far from it, it will be to stand up to the withering criticism that would occur.
I think Nasrallah is getting frustrated, boxed out. He's tried long range rockets that have recently "hit" "open spaces" and were of a very high level of sophistication. What this can be "code" for is some type of Patriot anti-missle attack by Israel that takes apart the Kyber rocket--like with Scuds. Still dangerous, but less so. So Nasrallah may be aiming for Tel Aviv--but he might be thwarted--so he may try to turn Haifa into K. Shimona.
I keep reading reports Nasrallah is operating in, planning operations in the Iranian Embassy. Is this off limits to Israel??? Maybe if they don't want to destroy it, they could somehow tunnel into it and kidnap Nastyrallah.
Posted by: biorabbi
at August 10, 2006 12:11 AM
To a poster above who noted Israel may have to do some dreadful things. I agree. If Hamas starts lobbing sophisticated Rockets into Israel, Israel may have to simply take them out, expel them, or a combination. The support Israel would need is not financial. Far from it, it will be to stand up to the withering criticism that would occur.
I think Nasrallah is getting frustrated, boxed out. He's tried long range rockets that have recently "hit" "open spaces" and were of a very high level of sophistication. What this can be "code" for is some type of Patriot anti-missle attack by Israel that takes apart the Kyber rocket--like with Scuds. Still dangerous, but less so. So Nasrallah may be aiming for Tel Aviv--but he might be thwarted--so he may try to turn Haifa into K. Shimona.
I keep reading reports Nasrallah is operating in, planning operations in the Iranian Embassy. Is this off limits to Israel??? Maybe if they don't want to destroy it, they could somehow tunnel into it and kidnap Nastyrallah.
Posted by: biorabbi
at August 10, 2006 12:12 AM
l say turn iran,syria into a parking lot, the hell with world opinion, what the world needs is less islamic monsters. send them off to see their allha now! l dont believe in any dates given off by fruitcakes, just send them off now.
Posted by: ZenaWarriorPrincess
at August 10, 2006 12:17 AM
Israel Must Be Destroyed
This is the never-ending refrain from every corner of the Islamic world with tacit approval from Europe and the mentally disturbed liberals across the planet. Having worked with Imam's and spending years in the Islamic ghetto's of Europe and Africa, I have learned the depth of hatred for the Jew and the Christian. Read their manifesto in their own words with the date, time and method of destruction of Israel detailed. Once you see those details in the new book "The Islamic Conquest of Europe 2020" (www.amazingsuccesssecrets.com ) you will never again allow suicidal liberals any forum outside of a mental hospital. Peace be upon you.
at August 10, 2006 12:21 AM
Last night I was out taking the air in the cool of the evening, at the end of the driveway.
A neighbor came walking by and we began to talk.
He is a Petroleum Engineer. From Iran. Born outside of Teheran. He's been here most of his adult life.
I asked if he had been watching his Farsi language television (via satellite dish). He said "No, I've been too busy".
We got to talking a little bit about Iran and what he thought.
He said that Ahmadinejad never finished school. He's not even a high school graduate. He considers him to be an idiot, a nutjob.
He said that about 20% of the Iranian population strongly backs Ahmadinejad. Probably 60% just wants to be left alone to have babies and to raise their kids. The 60% wants a Western lifestyle.
He said Ahmadinejad got elected because he promised all the various voting blocks that if elected, he would deliver all sorts of goodies and good things to them. Same ol' political lies. If he just ran on his beliefs, he never would have been elected.
My neighbor thinks that eventually the West will prevail, that Ahmadinejad and his supporters will be destroyed, erased from the face of the earth. He said that Ahmadinejad really believes that his 'god' will save his ass and those of his religious breathern. But that that is bullshit. 'Ain't' going to be any 'god' saving him. And there 'ain't' going to be any Mahdi climbing up out of some well. Conversely, he doesn't expect any god to be showing up to save our ass either.
But he believes that millions of people in Iran and the Middle East will be killed in such a war. He expects it to be Nuclear...lots of Nukes used.
He said he feels really bad about millions of people getting wiped out. However, He doesn't think it can happen any other way...be resolved any other way. Nuclear War.
His family showed up in this little town in the early '80's. His parents got themselves and their kids out of Iran after the Shaw fell from power and Khomeine (sp.) took over. Many of David's relatives in Iran couldn't make it out. One of his uncles and five of his cousins, plus other relatives, were executed by Khomeine and his thugs in the years immediately following his escape. Hanged from construction equipment...cranes...
What was their big Death Penalty offense? They weren't Jews. They weren't Christians. But then, they weren't Muslims, either.
Their big offense was that they were Baha'i. And had been for several generations. Almost from the time the Baha'i religion started.
David married a Jewish woman. They're still married after all these years. She 'converted' and became Baha'i.
He said the people here are asleep. They don't know the Muslims. He said that they are worse than Adoph Hitler. Worse than anyone here can imagine. He is frustrated...but he expects to sit back and watch it all happen.
Millions dead. The only way...
We said "Good Night" to each other. He turned to continue his walk. I turned to walk back into the house.
There were almost no clouds in the sky. Lots of stars, lots of stars out...beautiful night. Nice and cool. It was quiet in town, quiet in the country, quiet in this land from where I was.
I decided that once I was in, I would just skip the TV, the news, and go on to bed...to go on to sleep...just like the millions of other people in this country.
Posted by: SCV
at August 10, 2006 12:32 AM
Thanks for that great post, SCV. My wife is friends with a Iranian woman who emigrated to Canada after the revolution because she and her family were Baha'i. A number of her family members were killed and tortured as well, simply for being Baha'i, which seems like one of the most pacifistic, open religions on the planet.
It's just amazing that so many people in the West don't get what states like Iran are all about, what the mullahs are doing to millions and millions of people who just want to live their lives. There are all sorts of accounts online of the incredible, abominable brutality of the Iranian regime, yet Western leaders like the odious Jacques Chirac still insist on treating these Islamofascist lunatics with the respect accorded real statesmen.
I agree with your neighbor about where this is going, sadly.
Posted by: OutOfAqaba
at August 10, 2006 12:49 AM
Dos anyone else snigger at the name Ahmadinejad?
I'm a dinner jack (et).
I can't stop myself . . . . . he! he! he!.
Posted by: nmarks
at August 10, 2006 1:16 AM
"what I think America should do about this menacing Iranian mega-thug and that is to IMMEDIATELY deploy Electro Magnetic Pulse Weapons over Iran's airspace and over all nations like North Korea that are overtly threatening America "
Posted by: pythagoras
LMAO! Magnetic pulse weapons huh? LMAO!
sounds like you've been reading far too many of
Tom Beardens fantasy books. Mind you, I've been powering my house from energy from the vaccum for decades, I just don't tell anyone, otherwise those black helecopters will start flying around, and CIA agents will point thought control rays at my brain...
Besides, we know we can't point magnetic pulse weapons at iran cause the soviets have the woodpecker grid under their control.
at August 10, 2006 2:00 AM
Twenty trans-Atlantic aircraft targeted by carry on luggage, bigger than 9/11. British threat level 'critical'. No big deal, you can still bring your spectacles with you on board.
Two weeks ago I was critized about being concerned about a baggage check which was carried out by a woman in a head scarf.
Let us use this as an opportunity to introduce some common sense.
Posted by: limes
at August 10, 2006 2:10 AM
"We are all free to choose. But please give him this message, sir: Those who refuse to accept an invitation will not have a good ending or fate...."' -- minnie-Hitler-Mahmoud
That says it all. You are free to choose, BUT you better choose as you're told. What kind of freedom is that? Stupid Islam. What a bunch of sick puppies they are, with nukes.
at August 10, 2006 2:10 AM
20 Trans-Atlantic airlines targeted by way of carry-on luggage. Bigger than 9/11. British threat level raised to 'critical'. An attack is expected imminently. Not to worry, you can still bring your spectacles on board with you.
Two weeks ago I was criticized about my concern about being screened by a woman in a headscarf (she had to go through a screening process).
Let us use this opportunity to inject some common sense.
at August 10, 2006 2:15 AM
Chicken Little thought the sky was going to fall down. No scientific basis.
Some people here think there is a possibility that a dictatorial thug with WMSs might do something particularly horrible on the 22nd of August, because his nutty belief system gives that date a particular significance. Reasonable hypothesis that should be discussed.
Some extreme action on his part could indeed affect the world economy for a while - as all major disasters do.
I can see the difference, and I don't think people's posts should be removed from this site for pointing out Ahmadinejad's crazy ideas. To me, that's what this site is for.
Posted by: Lili
at August 10, 2006 3:28 AM
Chicken Little thought the sky was going to fall down. No scientific basis.
Some people here think there is a possibility that a dictatorial thug with WMSs might do something particularly horrible on the 22nd of August, because his nutty belief system gives that date a particular significance. Reasonable hypothesis that should be discussed.
Some extreme action on his part could indeed affect the world economy for a while - as all major disasters do.
I can see the difference, and I don't think people's posts should be removed from this site for pointing out Ahmadinejad's crazy ideas. To me, that's what this site is for.
Posted by: Lili
at August 10, 2006 3:28 AM
Sorry, nothing happens and I post twice by mistake...
Posted by: Lili
at August 10, 2006 3:29 AM
MM - I think Py is correct. All nukes give off powerful magnetic pulses when detonated. A magnetic feild moving through a conductor creates current (or vice versa). EMP weapons are well developed and designed to maximise this effect, destroying electrical equipment over a wide radius. Critical systems can - and are - designed with built-in protection (as mentioned above), so it's not certain to eliminate the immediate threat.
For this reason I believe EMPs - at least on their own - will be insufficient. Only the complete destruction of any and all nut job's nuke facilities would have the effect of minimising the threat, and EMPs alone could be worse, causing Iran to nuke whoever it can ASAP.
Also, it would turn Iran into an Afghanistan/Somalia type badlands, from which thousands of 'refugees' would flee to our shores, with all that entails.
No zero-point scalar fields here. And if Bearden has designed such a weapon, it would doubtless unleash orders of magnitude more energy than actually exists in the universe, so it's probably not worth worrying about anyway. ;)
Posted by: Domestos
at August 10, 2006 6:16 AM
GW'S LETTER TO AHMADINEJAD AS IT SHOULD HAVE BEEN SENT::
In Reply to the letter of Mr. Ahmadinejad
The President of the Islamic Republic of Iran
Mr. Mahmoud Ahmadinejad
The Presidential Office
Teheran, Iran
Don’t be surprised if I do not address you as “Mr. President”. A president is defined as “the highest chief executive of a country designated by people in a free election to the highest office of the country”. You however, are neither the highest personality of your country nor have you been freely elected by your fellow countrymen. I remind you that you have been named the winner of an election in which the participation of over 1000 candidates including university professors from both inside and outside Iran, known political activists and even reformists from within your own regime had been ruled out by a non-elected institution. (The Council of the Guardians of the Constitution)
In addition to this massive exclusion of candidates in the presidential election of June 2005, the election was not even fair to those who had survived the Guardians of the Constitution’s filtering procedure. The existence of a plan called “Bassir” was brought to my attention. This was designed to incite the armed forces of the country, notably “The Islamic Revolutionary Guards Corps” and the Iranian paramilitary “Bassij” to collect votes and to fill the ballot boxes. The extent of this electoral fraud was such that in some places your votes outnumbered the registered voters! For instance, results demonstrated that in “Shemiran”, the pilot area where you have been the happy winner, the number of votes cast was 8 times greater than
Do not try to blame the enemies of the Islamic Republic of Iran for reminding the world of the lack of free elections in your country in general, and particularly that of June 2005. You have certainly not forgotten that even Mr. Hashemi Rafsanjani (one of the pillars of your revolution) could do nothing but complaining to God Almighty about all these injustices.
You start your letter with questions that your claims are regularly debated by Iranian people and especially among students. Due of the reasons cited above and many others, I cannot allow you to address me in the name of Iranian people and Iranian students. Which students? Those who have been deprived of education because they drew your cartoon in a university journal? Those who are imprisoned and tortured to death because they have protested against the assassination of their friends? Do you speak for the students who have been protesting because you have decided to bury your "martyrs" on the university campus and in this way turn the universities into cemeteries? Students, who sadly, in what should be the best years of their life, prefer death to life and commit suicide?
Your letter of 8 May 2006, instead of being an attempt to improve the relationships between our two countries, or to alleviate international concerns regarding your nuclear ambitions, has been clearly designed to influence the fundamentalists and the enemies of the West.
However, I am writing this to address the major points of your letter, hoping that even those fundamentalists can read them and think for a few seconds without prejudice.
Regarding the existence of weapons of mass destruction in Iraq and Saddam Hussein’s willingness to employ them, this should not be held in doubt, particularly by Iranians who have been their victims. The inspections made in Iraq between 1992 and 1998 revealed the extent of Bath Regime’s ambitions to obtain weapons of mass destruction. The expulsion of United Nations inspectors from Iraq in 1998 had lead us to suspect Saddam’s intentions. Aggressive intentions which were clearly demonstrated during the Iran-Iraq’s war and also during the invasion of Kuwait.
It is true that later it was proved that the main parts of intelligence received from Iraq were faulty, but in the absence of any reliable international inspections from 1998 to 2003, which responsible leader in this world could have left the security of a sensitive region like the Middle East to the good intentions of a dictator like Saddam Hussein?
If today you admit the general happiness of the region’s people about Saddam’s removal from the power, do not forget that American lives and money made this possible. Restoration of security and democracy in Iraq faces great difficulties, but Mr. Ahmadi Nejad, who causes these difficulties? Who carries out the bombings and the killings of women, children and workers? Are they not the fanatics like you who consider the fight against the West more important than innocents lives and more important than any thing else in this world?
You accuse the West of having helped Iraq during the war with Iran. Do I need to remind you that your greatest supporter today (Russia) had a defense treaty agreement with Iraq and provided Iraq with 85% of all her military needs?
The accident which caused the shooting down of an Iranian passenger airplane in the Persian Gulf was a deplorable mistake. We reacted quickly to this accident and apologized unreservedly, offering compensation to the victims’ families. Your regime insisted that the compensation be paid to the Iranian government while we preferred it to go directly to the victims’ families. This unfortunate accident could undoubtedly have been avoided, if Iran's Civil Aviation Organization had the common sense to choose other air routes than the one over the war zone.
Although you disagree, we believe that the United States of America was neutral in Iran-Iraq’s war. After your revolution of 1979, the American government recognized the new regime and had a sincere desire to continue its friendly relationship with Iran. For further information on this matter, I advise you to read all books and memories of those involved in the events of that period, both Iranian and foreigners (The non censored versions, would of course be a better option).
What makes you believe in American hostility towards the Islamic revolution of 1979? Particularly as there were so many people who, unjustly, accused and continue to accuse the US of helping your revolution along by making the Shah’s regime practically untenable.
The initial good intentions of our country was rewarded by launching a barbaric, attack on our Embassy in Tehran and taking our diplomats hostage. In doing this, your regime flouted the most elementary principles of international laws and yet today you speak to me of international principles.
Since that hostage taking event and regardless of the different American governments and policies in place, your hostility towards my country has been a constant principle in your foreign and even internal policies. My country’s flag has been regularly insulted, it has been set on fire and your soldiers have trampled it under foot. In every religious and political gathering, your cries of “death to America” are heard and you openly incite the destruction of my country. You help and train anti-American terrorist groups. You have arrogantly refused the friendly hand of all previous American governments, and now you expect us to respect you and to take no hostile actions against you.
Mr. Ahmadinejad,
You talk about the prisoners of Guantanamo Bay as if they were innocent altar boys. These prisoners are in fact the men trained by Al Qhaeda in more than 30 training camps in Afghanistan to carry out terrorist attacks against my country and the West. The famous terrorist, Abou Moussab Al Zarqavi is one of them who with the generous help of your intelligent services managed to reach Iraq under the protection of Saddam Hussein.
The reason why they are kept in Guantanamo Bay is the lack of international laws dealing with terrorism. Some governments, such as yours, do not allow an agreement on the definition of the word "terrorism" to be reached. Whenever the West is attacked you prefer to call it a “liberating struggle” than terrorism.
The prisoners of Guantanamo Bay have been arrested in the war between the USA and the Taliban and Al Qhaeda. Their trial within the American judiciary system, if not impossible, is very difficult. Simply because they have not committed any crimes on American soil. Some prisoners have been repatriated only to resume their involvement in terrorist activities.
The prisoners of Guantanamo Bay can be considered as prisoners of war. This would suggest that they need to be detained till a normalization of the situation.
I do not claim that these people are being held in luxurious surroundings however, the envoys of the international Red Cross visit them on a regular basis and check their sanitary and life conditions while the prisoners of your country are deprived of these rights. In addition, regarding your claims that we have "kidnapped and kept people in hidden prisons", take a closer look at your own regime and at yourself to see whether you are in a position to accuse others.
Mr. Ahmadi Nejad
You mention in your letter that Israel did not exist 60 years ago. There are plenty of other countries which did not exist 60 years ago neither. Among Iran’s present neighbors only Turkey and Afghanistan can boast of over 250 years political existence, the rest have been created in the 20th century and some only in the last 15 years.
Anti-Jewish people like you, present the facts as if a group of European Jews with no link whatsoever with Palestine, came and massacred the real owners of those lands and built Israel instead.
I do not intend to tell you the story of the Jewish nation but I would point out that the Jews have historical roots in Palestine. What should be considered is whether an interruption in a nation’s sovereignty over its land means that sovereignty right should be limited. “Goa” was invaded by Indian troops in 1961 after being ruled for 450 years by the Portugese. The international community however, did not deny the right of Indian sovereignty over “Goa” even after all those years.
You believe that Palestinians, who left this land since 80 years ago, voluntarily or by force, can still claim sovereignty. The question is: what is the length of time after which the sovereignty of a nation over its land is no longer recognized, after 60 years, 450 years or 1000 years and who makes this judgment?
It is true that the ancient boundaries, past empires and old countries could not be restored again without endangering an already frail world peace. However, the right of nations to return to their historical lands could not be denied easily. In such conditions, accepting the status quo might be the best way to compensate all injustices committed in the past.
Your friends and allies, Mr. Ahmadinejad, only see the facts the way they wish to. I am not Israel’s attorney, they can defend themselves when needed. With regard to the attitude and manners of Israel, there are issues to be criticized and the US government has in many cases been clear in their criticism. But when you talk about the brutal operations of Israeli forces against Palestinians, do not forget the attacks carried out by Palestinian terrorist groups. These groups rely on your regime’s support for financing, training and media exposure. If killing innocent people is horrible, how can you admire, encourage and invest in the suicide bombings in the buses, restaurants and markets in Israel?
In 1993, the world came close to the implementation of a fair peace in this region. Who, using terror attacks, tried and succeeded in disrupting the peace?
Mr. Ahmadinejad,
You repeatedly deny the mass murder of Jews by Nazis during the World War II. There are undeniable documents to prove this historical fact, and for further information, I strongly advise you to visit the Yad Vashem memorial in Israel. This said, even though you and other revisionist friends claim to have proof that the number of victims of the holocaust were 3 or 4 million and not 6 million, does this diminish the nature of the atrocities committed by the Nazis? Is the oppression of people solely because of their tribal or religious identity not condemnable in your beliefs? If it were so, you would probably treat the “Bahrain's”, the non Moslems and even the non Shiites slightly better.
The most interesting point in your letter is your pressing demand for implementation of a referendum with participation by all refugees and exiled Palestinians to decide on the nature and even the name of the future Palestine. I wouldn’t be surprised if one of your pre-conditions to this referendum be the non participation of Jews who have not been living in Palestine for a few generations. In other words, your solution for settlement of peace in the Middle East would be that Palestinians vote the dissolution of Israel and that this should be accepted by Jewish people. I imagine you must be encouraged by your Leader each time you talk about this intelligent project.
If the right of Palestinians to a referendum is so dear to you, why do you refuse the Iranian people the same right? Iranians have been demanding free elections and a referendum to change the constitution for years now. But they are attacked in the streets by your "civil agents", they are oppressed and imprisoned. They are tortured and expelled from your universities.
Mr. Ahmadinejad,
I am pleased to see that you consider the will and eagerness to "scientific achievements as one of the most basic rights for all nations". I can only hope that you stick to this principle by canceling the censorship of scientific books and papers in the fields of biology, history and philosophy etc... So that researchers may be permitted to freely research and ask questions in all subjects for instance, creation, evolution, humanity, history of Iran and Islam, and that they may be allowed to publish their works.
During the Middle Ages, some ignorant religious people were categorically refusing the right of scientific investigation as they firmly believed that "all the knowledge that men needed were to be found in the Holy Book". Fortunately, 500 years ago, Europe managed to free herself from this yoke and opened the way to knowledge and scientific progress. In other societies, even a few decades ago, there were ignorant and unenlightened people who were preaching against Physics, Chemistry, Mathematics, engineering etc... And who believed in only "two forms of knowledge; religious knowledge dealing with men’s soul and medical knowledge dealing with their bodies". They were hostiles to all types of arts, music, painting, sculpture, dance and singing. These idiots forbade whatever was from the West; radio, television, cinema, occidental medicines and even the railway. In your own country, some of your religious leaders were against the railway; please refer to the archives to find out why the railway station of “Sabzevar” was built 50 kilometres out of the town. Hostility towards new technologies e.g. satellite broadcastings, still exists in Iran today.
Regarding your nuclear program or what you call the "nuclear research and investigation program". Your regime, regardless of all your obligations towards the IAEA, has deceived them for 19 years by hiding your so called peaceful nuclear activities. You certainly know that any country capable of enriching uranium to 4.5% will also be able to do it up to 90% and higher and ultimately make atomic bombs. Do not try to hide your real intentions behind the nuclear fuel cycle. In which nuclear power plant are you planning to employ this nuclear fuel cycle? You have one nuclear power reactor in construction to generate electricity, for which Russia has guaranteed a 10 year fuel provision. There is no other reactor, and customers are not lined up either. Is there any other reason for this program other than using the excuse of scientific progress to obtain the knowledge and equipments of bomb making? You have purchased facilities from China and Russia to enrich uranium without them being declared to the IAEA. Iran and Libya have purchased the same facilities and plans and these purchases were hidden from the IAEA. All facilities you have provided from Pakistan and North Korea were later presented by Iranian authorities as their local findings and achievements.
And you continue to hide and lie. The inspectors of the IAEA have not been permitted to inspect your suspicious sites. You do not permit your scientists to be interviewed by IAEA. You hide all requested plans and programs from inspectors and are still stunned as to why the international community does not trust you.
In these circumstances, and given your relationships with terrorist organizations, the hatred you preach against the West and your vows to wipe Israel out of the map, allowing you to obtain atomic bombs would appear foolhardy.
Mr. Ahmadinejad, Your letter contains some interesting elements. For instance, you condemn lying and in the next line, you make a false reproach to the USA. You say that we do not permit the Latin Americans to freely elect their governments. Obviously you are not familiar with the situation in this region and have not noticed that apart from your friend “Cuba”, all other Latin American governments have been elected with free elections and many of them such as the left wing governments of Venezuela, Brazil, Argentine, Chile and recently Bolivia do not back the USA.
Regarding Africa, you write as if we were still in the 1960’s claiming that on this continent everything is ready for development and progress which is thwarted by the hostility of the nasty Americans and Europeans.
Mr. Ahmadinejad,
If development and progress depended on the natural minerals and other underground sources of a country, Denmark one of the most developed countries in the world, would have been considered as a less developed one. I do not intend to insult any people, but a nation who has nothing else to present to the international community but its minerals could not be realistically considered as "creative, hard workers and intelligent". Do not blame the developed countries for buying your petrol and other resources. Have you ever thought what would happen to you if the developed countries stopped buying them from you?
Mr. Ahmadinejad,
I will now address a few other issues that you raised, again in the name of the Iranian people. Of course my explanations are not for you whose intension is only propaganda but for other readers of this letter.
We never had any kind of hostility towards oil nationalization in Iran at the beginning of 1950s. This was known to Mr. Mohammad Mossadegh the Iranian prime minister of the time, better than anybody else. The United States of America did their best to help finding equitable solutions to the divergence between Iran and Great Britain. Mr. Averell Harriman’s mission to Iran in July 1951 and the proposals given to Mr. Mossadegh were among these efforts. However, Mr. Mossadegh’s way of managing governmental affairs placed him in such a position that he could not stop the wave he had created. Communists and soviet agents made the most of this situation. Bear in mind that until March 1953, when Mr. Mossadaegh’s removal from power was being planned, Stalin was still alive. The principal goal of USA in taking part in actions leading to his removal from power was solely to avoid Iran falling in Stalin’s hands and not for oil.
Madeleine Albright, the former Secretary of State offered America’s apologies to your predecessor, Mohammad Khatami, but this was not accepted by the Islamic Republic of Iran.
With the great interest that you show in the history of the last century, have you noted and thanked the USA for their role in returning “Azerbaijan” and” Kurdistan” to Iran in 1946?
It is astonishing that you also refer to the freezing of Iranian assets by USA. I take this opportunity to remind you that these frozen Iranian assets of up to 10.52 billion dollars plus interest were repaid in two instalments to the Central Bank of the Islamic Republic of Iran according to the agreement reached between two countries during the “Algiers agreement”. I suggest you trace them and see where they have gone to!
The only money left is a few million dollars confiscated from the account of the Iranian Embassy in Washington when you attacked the US embassy in Iran and if you looked into this case, you would realise that in this matter we are the debtors and certainly not you. Next time you talk about Iranian assets confiscated by the US government, please explain what assets you refer to, so we can look into it carefully.
Mr. Ahmadinejad,
In your letter, the 9/11 attacks have been implicitly attributed to our intelligent services. Apparently, since 19 August 1978, when the fundamentalists set fire to a movie theatre “Cinema Rex of Abadan” burning hundreds of Iranians trapped inside the hall, and then you attributed this horrendous act to the Shah’s regime, this became a routine tactic of your regime to blame these unjustifiable odious crimes on your enemies.
It is clear that our intelligent service was proved ineffective and the weakness of our system permitted the terrorists to execute their evil plans. The 9/11 commission has published a, almost 600 pages document, detailing the results of their investigation. If you are interested in finding out more about those attacks ask your representatives in the US for a copy, unless of course you prefer to rely on the rumours nursed in local cafes all over the Middle East.
Mr. Ahmadinejad,
You probably expect the American tax payers to thank you for your concern regarding the excessive money spent on Iraq’s war but it is useful to remind you that there is almost nothing the President of the United States can do without the permission and approval of the US Congress and the Senate. As President, I am not allowed to spend even one cent from the country’s budget without it being approved and passed by the members of the parliament. Therefore, it is clear that what has been spent in Iraq has been approved by the representatives of American people.
However, can you the leaders of Islamic republic of Iran, claim to have done the same with your country’s budget? Can you explain to the Iranian people what has been done with the extra 24 billion dollars income in the last financial year (March 2005-March 2006) and clarify what happened to the hundreds of billion of dollars income from oil sales since your revolution? Have you built houses for homeless people, have you rescued nearly 10% of Iranians from drug addiction, have you created jobs, have you rebuilt the war zones, have you established any plans for the economical, industrial and agricultural developments of your country, have you replanted your forests destroyed in the last 27 years, have you improved sanitary conditions for your fellow countrymen? Have you rebuilt the ruins of “Roudbar” and “Bam”? Tell, what have you done?
In the last 27 years of your regime despite all your promises:
Instead of prosperity, peace and security, you have delivered unemployment and insecurity to the Iranian people. The balconies of apartments in Tehran are barricaded to protect against all type of aggressions. A signs of the complete insecurity you have
brought to your people.
Instead of restoring justice, you defended and enriched only yours.
You have spread drugs among young people.
You have pushed Iranian women to prostitution. Is this in accordance with the religious education you often preach?
You have said much on oppressed and poor people’s rights and completely
neglected them afterwards.
You used the pretext of exporting your Islamic revolution as a way of export terrorism and fundamentalism.
You have built atrocious prisons and filled them with freedom seekers, students, workers, journalists and innocents.
You have tortured and killed and then promoted the killers, torturers. Even lawyers and attorneys of the victims have been imprisoned.
You have lied over and over and expect us to believe that your nuclear program will never put the international community in danger.
Yes, Mr. Ahmadi Nejad, as you claim, "no government built on lies and cruelty has ever survived" and you and your regime will be judged by Iranian people.
May 12, 2006
George W. Bush
The President of the United States of America
White House
Washington D.C.
USA
at August 10, 2006 7:06 AM
I am more scared of any other Muslim country getting NUKES from Pakistan, so far they only managed to get the information on how to produce one from Pakistan. Just think once, if Pakistan lends couple of bombs to one of these rouge countries, what will happen next. Are we heading towards a Third World War?
Posted by: Ramesh
at August 10, 2006 11:36 AM
With regard to exsgtbrown's post. The President has given the proper reply to Ahmadinejad's letter...none.
Any other course would have given that nut job legitimacy he doesn't deserve.
It's time to afford terrorists exactly and only those rights they afford their victims, and while we're at it, let's change the status of Islam from a religion to "Geo-political Cult."
Islam is the source of all that is evil in the world today,only a fool would believe otherwise.
Posted by: kojak
at August 10, 2006 1:12 PM
TO ALL WHO WANT TO MAKE A DIFFERENCE: the email address for the President of Iran is.....dr-ahmadinejad@president.ir
I have been communicating with him successfully for weeks now. Mostly one-sided spiritual conversations though.
Just send him a note, letting him know we're praying for him - that he would be granted wisdom by God - YHWH..........Let the Holy Spirit work - wouldn't it be amazing if he decided Christ is Lord and he realizes he has been believing in a crazed pedophile in Muhammed.
Kingdom come!
Posted by: rsc
at August 10, 2006 7:51 PM
I have not read any previous posts. So, I may be repeating someone. Anyway, Mr Wallace was on Hannity's radio show today. I have to believe that Mikie is getting senile. The disgusting Mr Wallace was all but defending the Thug and calling him everything but the terrorist that he is. I believe that I heard Mikie more or less agree that a part of Europe should have been carved out for the Jewish "homeland." I nearly lost control of the car. I kept hoping that Hannity would ask Mikie if Ahmadimawhatever knew why Jews were living in Europe in the first place.
Posted by: Pelayo
at August 10, 2006 9:04 PM
Posted in wrong article.
Posted by: Pelayo
at August 10, 2006 9:06 PM
Pelayo
You posted in the right article - this thread is about the Mike Wallace interview. I overheard Hannity's interview with Mike Wallace, and agree with you - he is senile, and he proved it when his son interviewed him on FNS. When Hannity confronted him about Ahmadijihad wanting to 'wipe Israel off the map', he described how Ahmadijihad had instead suggested that Jews return to Germany where they had come from.
As you pointed out, Hannity could have asked him why they were in Europe in the first place, and that aside, a lot of Jews are not Germans. In the US, most Jews I happen to know are of German descent, but in Israel, the top 3 languages are Hebrew, English, and (brace yourself) Russian. So would he suggest that Jews be sent to Siberia? And one can bet that even if they hypothetically did, they'd be invaded by Kazakhstan if and when that country became Islamic.
Even though I may happen to agree with much of what he says, Hannity is an intellectual light-weight - don't expect him to make the brilliant points that you might expect of Rush Limbaugh, Charles Krauthammer, Brit Hume or even Ollie North.
Posted by: Infidel Pride
at August 11, 2006 1:20 AM
Wallace, Jennings, Rather, and others of the Mainstream media of the past were biased and really did much to damage America. The mainstream media is today much the same. They continually try to play politician as much as they try to show the news. its disgusting
Posted by: exsgtbrown
at August 11, 2006 7:52 AM
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