And where's Waldo? Who are these terrorists?

With Carmen Sanditago and the missing Egyptian students "some where" in the US, naturally!

Posted by: witness at August 10, 2006 8:39 AM

look in the Mosques or madarassas. Possibly under the burka

Posted by: exsgtbrown at August 10, 2006 8:45 AM

I struggle to remind myself that phrases like "working closely with the South Asian community" are not intended to be humorous.

Posted by: Jesus Christ Supercop at August 10, 2006 8:48 AM

There go those darned terrorists again.

610 * 623 * 732* 1066* 1215 * 1453 * 1492 * 1683 * 1928 * 1938 * 1948 * 1996 * 2001

Watching the nimrods on the Wahabbi-owned Fox News studiously avoid mentioning the “I” word, the thought strikes me that we’ve bought into living in dual realities.

The Moslems are allowed to speak frankly about hatred and supremacism and murder and terror and world conquest.

We non-Moslems are strictly limited to speaking about terrorism, Islamic radicals, Islamic fundamentalists and even, gasp!, Islamists (whatever the hell that means.)

But always, always, with the dangerously false underlying assumption that Islam is a-ok.

Posted by: Alarmed Pig Farmer at August 10, 2006 8:52 AM

I shall terrorize the infidels.
--- God speaking frankly in Koran 8:12

Posted by: Alarmed Pig Farmer at August 10, 2006 8:55 AM

Brainwashed zombie death cult fiends, will be described as "mentally ill, or model citizens." All will be shocked, I tell you, shocked. No muslim would ever do such a horrible thing. It's all Bush's fault, it's all Britain's fault......it's all Israel's fault.......whine, snivel,bawl........

Posted by: moderationist at August 10, 2006 9:02 AM

Those Western colonialists are so patronizing... keeping on treating the Muslims as little children still not past the age of accountability, not responsible for any of their actions.

Posted by: ZionistYoungster at August 10, 2006 9:09 AM

This is nothing new:
the plan was reminiscent of a plot by 9/11 coordinator Khalid Shaikh Mohammed, who in 1999 had envisioned detonating bombs on 11 airlines possibly traveling over the Pacific Ocean.

Posted by: exsgtbrown at August 10, 2006 9:10 AM

Fight and kill the disbelievers wherever you find them, take them captive, harass them, lie in wait and ambush them using every stratagem of war.

Posted by: Alarmed Pig Farmer at August 10, 2006 9:19 AM

Britians getting the job done:

UK: Islamic Terrorism Swallows Bulk Of MI5 Budget
On July 4, we wrote of the increased burden of investigating Islamic terrorism, which was taking up the bulk of MI5's time. MI5, the homeland security and intelligence agency for Britain, was then investigating 1,200 Islamist terror suspects. These were drawn from a larger pool of 400,000 extremist "sympathisers". The extra burden had caused the organisation to double its staff to 3,500.

The British expense in homeland security is worth it.

Shame on those Americans who whine about the Patriot act, Homeland security an "we should not be profiling".

Freedom is not free.

Posted by: exsgtbrown at August 10, 2006 9:20 AM

Same BS,
same suspects,
same 'experts' on TV telling you that there "is no connection with al Queada", that it is 'a tiny minority of extremist".. at 'most several thousand' who have been to Pakistan to learn how to cook explosives and that 'security is reluctant to use all that sophisticated equipment' which is so essential to detect the explosives...

Beyond pathetic! Beyond stupid...!

Nobody mentions Islam, nobody mentions the Koran, nobody sez 'profiling is as good as a cure'... or ...

...INTERNMENT & DEPORTATIONS of Mohammedan infil-traitors may be an answer....

Who will come out saying it, loud and clear:

"...NO MOHAMMEDAN SHOULD BE ALLOWED TO SETTLE BEHIND ENEMY LINES IN INFIDEL COUNTRIES....!"

etc.etc.....

Posted by: sheik yer'mami at August 10, 2006 9:23 AM

It is crazy how nobody is allowed to mention the "I" or "m" words! Even here where I work it looks like people are affraid to say anything about the terror threats! People will whisper and say there was a "m" terror plot today, or some people will just not say anything when I talk to them about it.

It is sad and sickining that we must refrain from using these words in public lest we anger the islamic beast!

Posted by: Bilas at August 10, 2006 9:24 AM

I've just read the BBC's coverage of the incident and found it extremely bizarre. Not in a sigle paragraph could I find the word 'muslim' or 'Islam'.

And in their 'Have your say' department they ask peopel how they have been affected by the delays - delays! - and not a word about what they think about global islamic terrorism, not a word about the core of the issue.

The BBC is disgusting...

Posted by: seville844 at August 10, 2006 9:26 AM

All

Please be aware that the US have mirrored the UK security alerts, and the Department of Homeland Security has raised the US alert state to RED for commercial aviation flights from UK to the US.

Posted by: Churchill1938 at August 10, 2006 9:29 AM

The footprint of "Al Qaeda"? Or Lashkar-e-Taiba, or Hezbollah, or Jemaah Islamiya, or Jaish-e-Mohammed, or this or that or a thousand other groups, or people of Group No-Name. Yet solemn parsers of the situation, "terrorism experts," are discussing "whether or not" Al-Qaeda is involved, whether or not this looks like an Al-Qaeda plot or not. Does it matter? Is that terribly important? Is that the most important thing?

And look at how Islam is mentioned. Either it is not mentioned at all, as in the statements by British officials so careful to tell us that no "particular community" is being targeted -- no? Why not? It should be, and we all know it, or some of those experts get on and start tell us that it is "the jihadist wahhabist salafist extremists" who are doing it all, or sometimes, if they are not semi-idiots, then they will tell us it is the "jihadists."

I'm waiting for someone -- Zbigniew Brzezinski, Pat Buchanan, Lt-Gen. (ret'd.) Odom -- to assure us that this plot would never have been planed for many months, been long in the works, had Israel not, this past month, counter-attacked against Hezbollah. In this world, anything and everything will be asserted, and again, columnists from Friedman to Kristof to Brooks, from Bright Young Things, Liberal and Conservative, from smiling oily Fareed Zakaria, to the now dimly-aware, at long-last, Charles Krauthammer, will still avoid naming the apparently infeffable problem, the source of the promptings, not of "extremists" but rather of all those claim to be Believers and who are willing to recognize and fulfill the duty of good Believers, which is either to activley participate in, or otherwise support, Jihad - the struggle to spread Islam, until it everwhere dominates, and everywhere Muslims rule.

And meanwhile, American troops are stuck to tarbaby Iraq, "training" those "Iraqi" forces, even perhaps trying to create a still-stronger army of Muslims. And fighting and dying, and spending tens of billions to keep the sectarian and ethnic divisions within the camp of Islam from worsening.

Intolerable obstinacy, intolerable inability to identify the problem, and to fashion the goal. The problem is Islam, and the OPEC oil money that funds it, and the millions of Muslims allowed into the Lands of the Infidels. The problem starts with immutable texts, and phony dreams of phony reformiation of an intolerant, and malevolent and totalitarian belief-system. That is the problem.

And the problem for the Western world are all those people whose duty it is to instruct or to protect us who cannot allow themselves to recgonize, or have not learned nearly what they should have to be able to recognize, the nature of this problem.

"The sensitivity of the case" says an American official. "The sensitivity of the situation" says a British official. Can't say more. Can't identify the problem, the enemy, and therefore cannot come with a policy for the Infidels, all over the world, that will be anything other than incoherent.

Some will comprehend the nature of the problem, the immutable problem, the false hope of "moderate" Muslims and "integration." And they will want to take appropriate measures. And others will, at the same time, keep prating about other things and therefore work at precisely cross-purposes to the first group. For they will be concerned with hearts, with minds.

Hearts. Minds.

The usual nonsense. The mixture as before.

Posted by: Hugh at August 10, 2006 9:30 AM

A depressing hour of news on BBC Radio 4. The first twenty-five minutes were taken up with the airport delays. An expert did suggest "more targeted screening", but I think he was talking about possible weapons, not the people who were screened. Later on we had a Muslim Labour MP who said it was even more necessary now to recall Parliament to talk about Lebanon -- implying that if we don't toe the line on Lebanon our planes will be blown up -- and yet another Labour MP, Anne Cryer (18% Muslim constituents). Oh yes, and a TV film-maker, Peter Taylor, who also blamed things on Iraq and the fact that the US "lets Israel go on in its dreadful business in Lebanon". (Interpolation by interviwer: "And we don't even know they're Muslims".) That dreadful business of trying to neutralize Hezbollah, eh?

Posted by: JFGR at August 10, 2006 9:36 AM

The British incident makes me think of a posting by a wise person a couple of days ago to the effect that, if a politician was to wrap his/her hands around this issue, they'd be unstoppable.

Posted by: limes at August 10, 2006 9:40 AM

Ironically, in persisting in using these euphemisms (“South Asian”, etc.), those people who believe that not all Muslims should be tarred with the label of terrorists or that not all terrorists are Muslims are fueling what they consider the perception, forcing us to cynically read “Muslim” even when the words are not there.

Or in other words, “Muslim” becomes the default
characteristic of terrorists unless the acts are otherwise specified to be committed by Christians, Tamils, etc.

Posted by: Steve Cheng at August 10, 2006 9:44 AM

In light of the bomb plot, this piece by that paragon of self-loathing dhimmitude, the Guardian's Timothy Garton Ash, seems especially vile: http://www.guardian.co.uk/Columnists/Column/0,,1840856,00.html

Posted by: scaramouoche at August 10, 2006 9:49 AM

'South Asian' is descriptive enough for me. Tha immediately eliminates Cornish and Welsh Separatists.

Posted by: poetcomic1 at August 10, 2006 9:49 AM

This coddling of these savages has gone far enough. As civilized societies, we need to ban muslims.

These cave critters want to live in the 7th century - so be it.

Our families, our societies, our infrastructures - OUR LIVES are worth more than their adherence to a death cult.

To hell with these people. Straight to hell. To hell with anyone who supports them.

Posted by: infidel! at August 10, 2006 9:52 AM

Could anyone care to tell us if there exist significant “South Asian” ethnic groups in Britain that are predominantly not Muslim and have nothing to do with Islam? (e.g. Hindu Indian?) Because if there are, I figure they ought to be annoyed at being tarred together with the (assumed) Muslim terrorists.

Posted by: Steve Cheng at August 10, 2006 9:59 AM

INSIDER INFO British Intelligence.

Immediate Analysis: The Heathrow Bomb Plot

Overview
The foiled plot to attack a number of aircraft - between three and ten, bound for the US from the UK - show that terrorists have done their analysis of airport security measures in detail, and also have retained the capability and intent to mount an atrocity on the scale of 9/11. It is likely, given the complexity of the terrorist operation, that al Qa'ida were the instigators. This brief note provides and early analysis of the situation.
21 individuals have been arrested in a widespread police operation in London, High Wycombe and Birmingham (all of which have significant Muslim Populations). The police and Security Service clearly operated on excellent intelligence and moved to disrupt the planners and operators of the terrorist mission.

Analysis
An ever increasing number of individuals only carry hand-baggage onto aircraft in order to avoid lengthy delays reclaiming baggage, or worse: having it lost. This has led to an increase in hand baggage to be screened and therefore time spent on screening such baggage reduces in order to meet flight times. Typically screening technology pays most attention to electronics as they are used in detonators to initiate explosives, explosive sniffers are rarely used, and then for solid-state explosives. Liquids passing through the screening process are of little apparent interest, and that we believe what the terrorists saw as their opportunity.

We therefore assess that detailed research by terrorists may have identified a number of liquids - individually passive - which when mixed together would create a volatile liquid explosive, which would then be initiated by individuals prepared to - in their words: martyr themselves - inside the cabin of the aircraft. It seems likely that the liquids would be carried in unobtrusive containers for example: drinks bottles, contact lens fluids and water bottles. It seems also likely that the liquids would have been clear so as not to attract attention. The initiation device might be as simple as a battery circuit created from innocent components brought on individually, or perhaps a signal from a mobile phone.

Conclusion
The fact that such a large group with a clear capability and intent existed is of extreme security concern. However, good intelligence foiled the plot this time. Nonetheless, it clearly indicates that the UK and US remain prime targets as defined by Islamic terrorists like Usama bin Laden and his fellow religionists. This also raises serious questions about the security implications from within the Muslim community. Research in that respect is ongoing and raises several issues with regards to the verses within the Koran and other Islamic texts.

Posted by: Churchill1938 at August 10, 2006 10:02 AM

Some of the posts above make me laugh.

Listen good: no matter how many atrocities they will commit, the West will NEVER expel their Muslim citizens.

For us, our constitutions are suicide pacts. Pat Buchanan was correct about the death of the West.

Posted by: george_rem at August 10, 2006 10:02 AM

Every politician interviewed is being asked the same priority questions: "are our foreign policies to blame?", "would this be happening if we'd kept out of Iraq", "..Afghanistan", "..condeming Israel" etc.

They're obsessed with trying to get them to say, trying to trip them into saying what we know they all think anyway... that now's the time to fold, that isn't it about time we just did what they want, and maybe it'll all quieten down. Yeah they've no right to bomb us, but if we weren't resisting them they'd stop attacking. Both the two main opposition parties stick to this like glue... because what else is there? They've got nothing else to say. Nothing un-PC anyway. And condeming Israel and America is perfectly PC. Condeming ourselves is fine. We can shoot ourselves in the foot or saw our own legs off, no problemo. But let's not start making rash accusations.

Early reports indicate the suspects are bipeds, carbon based, possibly multicellular life forms.

Possibly not.

Posted by: Domestos at August 10, 2006 10:03 AM

Western authorities insist that the common thread is al-Qaida which means "the camp"...what kind of camp? An Islamic camp!
Surprise! Surprise!

Posted by: infidelion1095 at August 10, 2006 10:05 AM

Now the Muslim loser nutcases have made our lives even more inconvenient. Because of their gullibility and ignorance resulting in an idiotic belief that killing innocent people rewards them with 72 virgins, and their stupidity in following the exhortations of a filthy cave-dweller with a bug up his unwashed anus about the freedoms and accomplishments of the Western world, we can no longer brush our teeth after eating our 1 oz. bag of stale pretzels. Way to go - useless, backwards, haven't-done-anything-significant-in-over- 1,000-years, empty, hateful, jealous, barbaric Muslim pigs! I hope Israel goes nuclear on the entire Middle East, and convincingly puts an end to Iran's nuclear ambitions by putting an end to Iran!

Posted by: Gratesaytin at August 10, 2006 10:06 AM

"M" word eh? Well then, clearly it is the Methodists, until otherwise proven! j/k

In earnest, I wonder if the reason officials are reluctant to make any statment on who exatly is involved simply because there are more roll up arrest taking place globally. Comments from officials indicate a larger network was being watched.

Posted by: GreatShaitan at August 10, 2006 10:07 AM

Churchill1938 - that's a very interesting post, ground breaking even... could you elaborate on the source?

Posted by: Domestos at August 10, 2006 10:10 AM

I used to think this "sensitivity" re not identifying terrorists as Muslim was rooted in some PC obsession with tolerance, some fear of vigilantism by non-Muslims. I no longer think that is entirely the reason for government (UK, etc.) not naming Islam as the enemy.

I think some in the elites (govt, media, etc.), using tolerance as an excuse, are deliberately making dhimmis of their citizens. By not naming Islam as the enemy, the European establishment (and other elites) encourage Muslims generally to continue the pretense that Islam is a religion of peace, as it encourages Muslim killers to follow their trade, as it gives government elites more power.

The children's fable Rumplestilskin points out that the consequence of not naming an enemy must be to give the enemy power. The motives of some in the elites (especially in Europe)in not naming the enemy may not be all about "tolerance"-it may be about more power for them-and an agenda that includes antisemitism. Violent Islam is a temporary ally to some in govt and elsewhere who have a hidden agenda.

They must be made to name the enemy-or else they must tell us why they want the enemy empowered.

Posted by: Frank at August 10, 2006 10:11 AM

God bless our security services for preventing this atrocity!

Our thoughts are with the families of any these unnamed heroes who may have been injured or killed whilst trying to prevent such an atrocity.

I also hope and pray that the UK anti terrorist branches are aware that they dont just face a "militant form" of Islam but actually are facing "mainstream Islam".

I any event our prayers are with these brave MI5 MI6 CIA FBI officers who risk thier lives every day.

Posted by: Churchill1938 at August 10, 2006 10:12 AM

Steve Cheng,

Yes, lots of them, mainly Sikhs and Hindus, who happen to be largely concentrated in the areas where the arrests have been made, ie London, Birmingham and the Thames valley.

I remember a poster pinned to a tree on Knights Bridge shortly after 9/11 saying that quite a number of Sikhs had been confused with Muslims and had been attacked.

Posted by: Elephant at August 10, 2006 10:12 AM

Domestos,

((Churchill1938 - that's a very interesting post, ground breaking even... could you elaborate on the source?))

I cannot elaborate on the source. Will Never Either. Only posted it as it is pretty generic in nature and does not point to anyone or anything in detail. Sorry but i will never go into more detail.
As the saying goes, careless words cost lives!

Posted by: Churchill1938 at August 10, 2006 10:16 AM

Frank: No. If the government were to admit
that mainstream Islam is the enemy then they
would have to explain why they allowed (and
are allowing) so many Muslim immigrants.

Posted by: george_rem at August 10, 2006 10:18 AM

Far from even dimly coming to the realisation that what we are witnessing is an ideological war in which our way of life (and by our, I mean the collective OUR which includes both the Western and Eastern world) is being threatened with completely annhilation by a 16th century ideology derived from the crazed utterings of a schizophrenic madman named Mohhamad; our political pundits and mainstream media and the loony left will fall back to their age old mantra of placing all the blame on Bush and the Iraq war. It is so frustrating and maddening how these folks refuse to acknowledge the TRUTH even when it stares them straight in the face.

Posted by: Razdan at August 10, 2006 10:20 AM

Ignorance,and naiveness rule as long as the ridiculous need for the perversion of multiculturalism is there to guide us through a self induced fog.

Always afraid to call it what it really is; "the teachings of the Quran" is their guiding light to fight the infidels. Oh no we cannot go there and announce that this is the true source of all the violence that permeates the muslim mind against infidels and Jews or any other religious denomination. Somehow the word terrorist, or jihadists allows for some degree of distancing from the true source of the terrorism that is and will continue to increase.

Yes let's continue to put out these ever growing fires without determining the source of the ignition that causes them.Good luck as you try to use your bright lights in that self induced fog.

Posted by: Mackie at August 10, 2006 10:23 AM

Could anyone care to tell us if there exist significant “South Asian” ethnic groups in Britain that are predominantly not Muslim and have nothing to do with Islam? (e.g. Hindu Indian?) Because if there are, I figure they ought to be annoyed at being tarred together with the (assumed) Muslim terrorists. Posted by: Steve Cheng

You figure correct: this appeared last month, but got lost during the news about the 7/11 bombings.

Posted by: Infidel Pride at August 10, 2006 10:27 AM

Research in that respect is ongoing and raises several issues with regards to the verses within the Koran and other Islamic texts.

This last sentence is a crystal ball. I see BBC doing a Panorama on real Islam. I see the Home Secretary launching the unthinkable Public Inquiry. I see Fleet St. eds doing their jobs. I see... I see...

Deportations

Posted by: Domestos at August 10, 2006 10:27 AM

OMG what is it with people anyway! I'm here at work reading (OH I mean working) some of the news stories about the foiled attack to kill mass amounts of people and a majority of the people are complaining that there is long lines and how they are pissed about waiting!?!?

Some people are so stupid! I guess they would rather blow up over the ocean!

Posted by: Bilas at August 10, 2006 10:28 AM

High Wycombe's Parliament representative interviewed on CNN now: lots of Pakistanis from Kashmir live there. Of course that he went out of his way to state that they are peaceful, hard working, etc.

Who in their right minds would import *Pakistanis from Kashmir* in a Western country?! Absolutely insane.

Posted by: george_rem at August 10, 2006 10:29 AM

"Who in their right minds would import *Pakistanis from Kashmir* in a Western country?! Absolutely insane."

I dunno, must be the same nutters who imported Somails in state of Maine in the US. Insane.

Posted by: GreatShaitan at August 10, 2006 10:32 AM

Frank,

It is more basic then that, the Euro Elites believe that by showing respect and tolerence and maintaining the freedom of moderate Muslims they will create a large group of peaceful Muslims who will evantually develop a more Western version of Islam and modernise it.

They believe that common sense and the desire to have a good life will over-ride the terror, self-loathing and conditioning of the Muslim population by Islam.

But our Euro Elites talk big, but do not apply much attention to details, (look at their budgets for example) they don't seem to be able to work out that allowing single faith schools will make this long shot punt more likely to fail, this is one of many examples, such as allowing extremist Imams to operate in impunity etc.

They do not want to understand that Islam is to dominate and that around 10-20% of Muslims hold such a control on the rest through fear of death, hell and social exclusion that their long shot is not going to work. But like so many intteligently stupid people they are not able to change direction. When the shit hits the fan, they will survivie surrounded by guards and in well protected areas...

Our lives and the lives of our children are all at risk because of this punt. Our governments have failed us, they have destroyed Western democracy in Europe and they are too blinded by their anti-capitalism and anti-US and anti-Jew attitudes to even notice.

These Euro elites also hate real freedom of choice as you indicated and Islam will give them the tools to make sure that we are beholden to the new royalty. I somtimes suspect like you that they would much prefer to have a pliant population who do as they are told and allow the elites to soak up the good life as long as they hide their gluttony, after all it works in Saudia Arabia doesn't it?

Posted by: Daffersd at August 10, 2006 10:34 AM

Ethiopian Somalians, from Sudan.

Posted by: Domestos at August 10, 2006 10:35 AM

Spencer or Savage need to write the following two books: THE CRUSADES WERE RIGHT and BRING BACK THE INQUISITION. Denial is killing us. Muslims are beating us in the bedroom. Our denial that this is a religious war may be the end of us. Eventually we will nuke someone. Sooner rather than later, I say. The so-called moderate Muslims are guilty by complicity and enabling. We must deal with them as we would the Mafia: give up the leaders or this or that port city will be gone tomorrow. But, as one commentor adroitly put it, our constitution is a suicide pact. Short of a miracle, there can be no happy end to this. Which political candidate will harness the outrage expressed here?

Posted by: Inquisitor at August 10, 2006 10:37 AM

"Police were working closely with the South Asian community, the official said."

Right. It's those anti-western Hindus and Buddhists at it again, conspiring to blow up U.K.-U.S. passengers. To be precise, it was "South Asian 'youths'".

Seriously, why should Hindus, Buddhists, Christians, and others from countries in loosely-defined South Asia be slandered every time a self-described Muslim group tries to blow up westerners? I think non-Muslims of South Asian origin should sue the media and police who continue to use this racially-based slur. (Of course, the British now realize that this "South Asian" label is used whenever a Muslim is suspected or guilty of something, but still, I think the job of newsmedia and police is to provide the most accurate information as possible).

The use of this "South Asian" euphemism shows the extent to which Britain (and other western countries that use other labels or obfuscations to avoid the M and I words) will go to kowtow to Muslim irritability*. They will go so far as to use a racial slur to avoid accurately identifying the ideological (Islamic) membership (Muslim) of the group actually suspected of plotting the attack.

The argument moderate Muslims will make here is that not all Muslims should be tarred with the same brush. I have no problem with adding more precise labels such as the name of the jihadist branch most directly responsible, but I do have a problem with hiding the fact that they are Muslims.

*(The officials and media of course do not examine the possibility that this irritability, if genuine, is used tactically nonetheless...just like a spoiled, bad-behaving child uses his irritability, and the threat of his irritability, as a tactic, to get what he wants).

Posted by: Archimedes at August 10, 2006 10:45 AM

Research in that respect is ongoing and raises several issues with regards to the verses within the Koran and other Islamic texts.

Posted by: Churchill1938 at August 10, 2006 10:02 AM

Oh no, they haven't actually begun to take the unholy Qur'an seriously, have they?! I can just hear the muslim outrage; the cacophony is already deafening. The plaintive cries of Islamophobia, profiling, bigotry, discrimination, police brutality, and accusations of global persecution of muslims will resonate around the world.

"Research" is and has been the key that will unlock the Islamic mystery and explain the muslim propensity for arbitrary,
inexplicable violence and bellicosity. That should have been obvious a long time ago to even the most naive multiculturalist.

I heard a British man on Fox News this morning make some politically incorrect statements about the Banglideshi and Pakistani muslim "communities" in Britain. I'm not sure if he is a journalist or a government official, although most likely the former. His comments were so refreshing in their simple, honest frankness. I hope he lives through the day and is not arrested for inciting racial hate. I am almost certain he was speaking from Britain.

I am not optimistic that this foiled plot will open any eyes or change a thing. If anything, British officials will grovel even more to the contrived grievances invented by muslims in an attempt to placate them and deter potential terrorists. When will they realize that there is nothing anyone there or anywhere can do to conciliate these savages? We will never be safe as long as muslims are living among us.

Posted by: Susanp at August 10, 2006 10:48 AM

GreatShaitan: I dunno, must be the same nutters who imported Somails in state of Maine in the US. Insane.

........................................

Why isnt the Israeli Lobby (AIPAC) using its
tremendous influence to put a stop to these
deranged, sucidial policies?!

Posted by: george_rem at August 10, 2006 10:49 AM

Indeed, the problem is Islam, as I like to say

"The root cause of Islamic terrorism is Islam."

Yes, it's too short, but in this day and age you
need a pithy soundbite to get anywhere with
a big audience.

Posted by: root_cause at August 10, 2006 10:51 AM

"But, as one commentor adroitly put it, our constitution is a suicide pact."

The US Constitution protects established religions--none of which are as destructive or intolerant as islam. There is still time remaining to demonstate that islam is a cult and not an established religion and therefore not eligible to use religious protection loopholes.

islam is alot a political movement that is seditious. There is still time to revive Alien and Sedition Act types of laws.

Look for politicians who recognize this as a war on Jihad and not a war on 'terror'. Support politicians who recognize 'islamo-fascists' as the perpetrators.

In the end it is up to us, the voters, to decide our own future.

Posted by: GreatShaitan at August 10, 2006 10:59 AM

SusanP

Your reply is as eloquent as it is simplistic.

Consider the amount of time it takes to change the publics perception of a particular group of people in a particular religeon. Consider the backlash a government would have from the media for taking any effective action.

Deportations would only ever occur or be accepted by the media and general population if an atrocity on a scale 1000 times worse than 9/11 were to happen. It would take a nuke or dirty bomb to create the environment where to be a muslim in the West was untenable.

You must also consider the need to nurture and make friends with the non muslim immigrants of other faiths, Sikhs, Buddists, Christians etc..
They must be suffering incredibly from the simmering bad feelng and resentment towards them as comminities, espcially if they are from the asian sub-continent. Everytime i meet a person who is Sikh or Hindu, i let them know that some of us in the Uk know the difference between them and the Muslims and i hope they dont feel stigmatised.

Posted by: Churchill1938 at August 10, 2006 11:04 AM

Inquisitor said:
“THE CRUSADES WERE RIGHT and BRING BACK THE INQUISITION. Denial is killing us. Muslims are beating us in the bedroom. Our denial that this is a religious war may be the end of us.”

Well put! This is indeed a religious war except we may unfortunately lose due to the fact that Western Civilization seems to have lost its ‘moral compass’. The same ‘black and white’ reference point that has enabled our culture to flourish for 2000 years – the ‘high ground’ that inspired the Crusades and same the Inquisitor confidence to weed out the perceived infidels from it’s presence. Moral Compass – black & white (right & wrong) – ‘high ground’ – confidence – all are synonymous with the supreme dynamo which built our civilization – Judeo CHRISTIANITY and the faith in JESUS CHRIST! Lose that and we are doomed by the death-cult hoards of ‘moon-demon-worshippers’ waiting to break down the door of civility, decency, and faith. That’s my take on our present ‘cultural dilemma’ and its ultimate answer: PERSPECTIVE.

Posted by: descendantofacrusader at August 10, 2006 11:15 AM

Being a British citizen of Indian origin, i feel sad that the Government is using South Asian connection rather than Pakistan, why do we hard-working, Partiotic and Infidel people are being insulted by grouping us with Muslims of Pakistan origin. Is is our fault that our religion NEVER tells us to kill innocents, or rape girls or take slaves. I think it is high time for the Indian origin people in Britain to stand up and assert their identity as peace loving people not Muslims.

Posted by: Ramesh at August 10, 2006 11:24 AM

Daffersd-

You make excellent points-and one (re remoulding Islam to a European model) that had not occurred to me. Like you, I am questioning the "tolerance" of the Euro-elites in not naming the enemy. If the Euro-elites were to openly name the enemy they would encourage truly peaceful Muslims to oppose the killers, as well as the clerics who aid and abet and incite them. The turly moderate Muslims would feel great pressure to do that. However, the Euro-elites are not naming Rumplestilskin, are empowering the enemy, and I suspect some of them may have a fascist agenda behind their facade of "tolerance".

Posted by: Frank at August 10, 2006 11:28 AM

Daffersd-

You make excellent points-and one (re remoulding Islam to a European model) that had not occurred to me. Like you, I am questioning the "tolerance" of the Euro-elites in not naming the enemy. If the Euro-elites were to openly name the enemy they would encourage truly peaceful Muslims to oppose the killers, as well as the clerics who aid and abet and incite them. The turly moderate Muslims would feel great pressure to do that. However, the Euro-elites are not naming Rumplestilskin, are empowering the enemy, and I suspect some of them may have a fascist agenda behind their facade of "tolerance".

Posted by: Frank at August 10, 2006 11:28 AM

I hit the "post" button 1 time. However, once agin-two posts. Twins.

Posted by: Frank at August 10, 2006 11:32 AM

I hit the "post" button 1 time. However, once agin-two posts. Twins.

Posted by: Frank at August 10, 2006 11:32 AM

Ramesh-

That's another good point as to why we must be specific when we name the Muslim enemy. Hindus are not the enemy-that's for sure.

Posted by: Frank at August 10, 2006 11:41 AM

Note to Justice Department:

Treat the muslims as if they were white Christians in a small town in Texas.

No more problem.

Posted by: infidel! at August 10, 2006 11:46 AM

from above;

OMG what is it with people anyway! I'm here at work reading (OH I mean working) some of the news stories about the foiled attack to kill mass amounts of people and a majority of the people are complaining that there is long lines and how they are pissed about waiting!?!?

did you see the lebanonese rescued from lebanon? They complained about the services on the cruise ships!!.

Did they not ask/demand to be rescued from bombs.

I would have put the complainers on a raft and pointed them back to lebanon. Bunch of ingrates.

Posted by: exsgtbrown at August 10, 2006 12:07 PM

Thanks to the British intelligence, security, and police who busted this plot.

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Infidel Pride, thanks for the link, posted at August 10, 2006 10:27 AM

Posted by: Archimedes at August 10, 2006 12:09 PM

Robert, Hugh, Marisol,

I think I smell some trolls who are trying to make the site look bad.

“BRING BACK THE INQUISITION.” Posted by: Inquisitor at August 10, 2006 10:37 AM

“the Inquisitor confidence to weed out the perceived infidels from it’s presence.” Posted by: descendantofacrusader at August 10, 2006 11:15 AM

I'm guessing these posts would not go over well with the heretical Christian, Jewish, Hindu, Buddhist, atheist or agnostic posters who frequent the site.

Posted by: Archimedes at August 10, 2006 12:35 PM

This morning on the ABC GMA they used the term "Pakistani origin" for terrorist rounded up for the plot on bombing plans. you do not have the same Asian thing going on in the US/Cda. Although they do not say Muslim but the country of origin, which indicates for the most part "muslim"

Posted by: ZenaWarriorPrincess at August 10, 2006 12:43 PM

Bush says we’re at war with

"Islamic fascists who will do whatever then can to attack us"

That's an improvement over some of the other circumlocutions we've seen thus far today.

Posted by: Archimedes at August 10, 2006 12:59 PM

Archimedes:

No disrespect was meant to, as you put it: ‘HERETICAL [my emphasis] Christian, Jewish, Hindu, Buddhist, atheist or agnostic posters who frequent the site’. Apparently you completely missed my initial qualifying statement: ‘that’s MY TAKE on our present ‘cultural dilemma’ and its ultimate answer: PERSPECTIVE.’ The point I was making is this: Christianity is the historical social, political, religious ‘cement’ behind Western Civilization (post Roman & Greek) It simply appears to me (troll-like or no) that we need a cultural rallying point. No offence meant to anyone of varying beliefs - 'troll-cops' included.

Posted by: descendantofacrusader at August 10, 2006 3:21 PM

I look forward to the day when non-muslim Asians SUE the government and police for tarring them with the same brush that was meant for muslims.

Posted by: Voltaire at August 10, 2006 5:44 PM

Steve Cheng et al.,

Yes, racism is widely supposed to be the most evil form of prejudice, and yet the British "anti-racists" regularly replace the accurate non-racial term "Muslim" by the inaccurate racial "Asian" or "South Asian". Do these people lie on principle?

Posted by: Mr. Spog at August 10, 2006 6:12 PM

A simple, cost effective, non-racist solution to our air security problem would be for the government to require that no Moslems be allowed on flights headed to the USA. This would require the sending nations to profile for Arabs, Persians, Turks, Southeast Asians of certain types, and yes yes yes Balkan Slav and Caucasian white persons.

The corollary benefit would be that there would be fewer suspicious individuals to keep track of inside our borders. Having worked some with police budgets, my swag is that as I type right now the total cost of the manhunt for the 12 "lost" Egyptian "students" is hovering around $3-5 million. As Condi's deal to exponentially increase the number of Wahabbi "students" on our soil is implemented, it will cost a pretty penny indeed.

Posted by: Alarmed Pig Farmer at August 10, 2006 7:14 PM

... the Euro Elites believe that by showing respect and tolerence and maintaining the freedom of moderate Muslims they will create a large group of peaceful Muslims who will evantually develop a more Western version of Islam and modernise it.

I know you don't buy this naive Euro plan, Daf, but I can't resist pointing out:

1) Modernizing Islam is impossible; by its very nature and design, Islam can only be abandoned in whole.

2) Even if it were possible, history shows that it takes generations for religions to evolve. EUrabia doesn't have that much time, the tip-in point for the tailspin into Sharia in Europe is about 30 yrs out, maybe sooner.

Posted by: Alarmed Pig Farmer at August 10, 2006 7:35 PM

APF

That's a great suggestion. Since we'd be accused of racial profiling, we should instead force other countries to do it, after first declaring that Muslims cannot enter.

Actually, this job should be done by embassies and consulates abroad. As it is, their decisions are final and binding, and so if someone is denied a visa, it's end of story - no litigation, no explanations as to why the visa was denied, nothing. Therefore, if everybody manning those embassies was simply given clear instructions to decline all Muslim applicants, that would solve a great deal of the problem. It has strong parallels to the border issue.

Posted by: Infidel Pride at August 10, 2006 7:38 PM