Wakey wakey... eggs and bakey.

When will we learn and take action against the enemy already in our midst. Political correctness will be the death of us.

Sheesh!

RD

Posted by: habnab at August 10, 2006 10:23 AM

In DHS, how can one be red in one place, and yellow everywhere else?

Posted by: Infidel Pride at August 10, 2006 10:30 AM

I remember hearing the conspiracy theory that Roosevelt knew about Pearl Harbor and did nothing to stop it. It didn’t make any sense to me at the time.

Posted by: limes at August 10, 2006 10:37 AM

I listened to the conference given this morning by Gonzalez and the Homeland Security director. They seemed to be more concerned about sketching out things procedurally and making properly defined statements on findings. Bureaucratic.

One thing that did come out was a statement on perception, to paraphrase:

To us, every day is September 12th.

That's what we need to hear, not the meeting minutes and the agenda items. Stop talking so much about minutae - the little nothing details of a bureaucrat's day.

Start kicking ass - proactively.

Posted by: A_Plague_on_Both_Houses at August 10, 2006 10:52 AM

Despite this latest attempted attack, will anything be done to eliminate the mulitudes of Muslim employees at all major airports? Probably not. How soon will it be before the Muslims turn to their fellow Muslims employed in airports to simply put bombs in suitcases as they are loaded on to the planes by the agents of Allah?

Posted by: Mary Rose at August 10, 2006 10:56 AM

At the risk of sounding insensitive, the knock-on costs of this will have the airlines and civil aviation authorities up in arms. It's not as bad as losing 12 packed planes, but we're still talking billions in the long-term. And these industries are well connected, influential, carry a lot of weight where it counts. They won't be able to sustain these kinds of losses again and again indefinitely. They'll be twisting arms in govt, lobbying for the right to keep certain customers off their manifests. Let them fly Qatar, Emirates, EgyptAir, "palestine" Airlines. But not from here. Let them take the boat to France, they can fly from de Gaul - they'll be glad for their custom.

Moslems, whether passenger or crew, cannot be trusted in UK airspace. Planes are engineered to million-to-one safety odds. In engineering parlance, anything that could singularly bring down a plane is termed an SPF, a Single Point of Failure. SPFs have to be eliminated from the equation. Planes are grounded by law if an SPF is discovered, if necessary until the entire fleet has been upgraded.

In the history of aviation, has there ever been a more dangerous, more ubiquitous SPF than the Moslem passenger? Fix the problem, get the planes flying again, safe in the knowledge that this particular breed of failure is no more likely than the wings falling off.

Posted by: Domestos at August 10, 2006 11:04 AM

There's an article in TODAY's Guardian by someone called Timothy Garton Ash, I urge people to read it if they want to get an idea of what we're up against in the UK not just from our Muslim 'compatriots' but their utterly deluded Leftist intellectual fellow travellers. Garton Ash In brief:

- Young British Muslims are still being alienated ( poor diddums )

-one in three British Muslims aged between 18 and 24 said they would rather live under Sharia law than under British law.

- 81% of British Muslims said they thought of themselves as a Muslim first and a citizen of their country only second.

- Britain is a libertine society. Too much booze and promiscuous sex.It's clear from what young British Muslims themselves say that part of their reaction is against this kind of secular, hedonistic, anomic lifestyle.

Garton Ash is rather approving of this Muslim critique of British society ( along with most of the people who have added their comments at the end of the article ), and doesn't, surprisingly, state the obvious, which is if unhappy with the British way of life, that if one wishes to live under Sharia law, all one has to do is head out to Heathrow airport. One obviously knows where it is!

Posted by: melbourneman at August 10, 2006 11:05 AM

I do hope that people will begin to connect the dots that we are in a world war.

Posted by: bigcatgirl13106 at August 10, 2006 11:05 AM

As the August 22 deadline approaches, the world is heating up. A major attack in the US, and this plot was to be in the US, they were to blow the planes up over US cities, is inevitable.

So they foiled this plot. So what, there are more coming, they won't get them all. A major attack bigger than 9/11 is on its way. And that does not even take into account what Madhat has planned for us.

We are now in August 31, 1939, and we are living in Poland.

Posted by: August22 at August 10, 2006 11:19 AM

Some good news; The heat's off Israel.

Posted by: limes at August 10, 2006 11:28 AM

Also - can we extend the bogeyman to groups other than al-Qaida? They are over rated as the proverbial 'monster in the closet' in my opinion. al-Qaida is but one of a thousand manifestation of the monster - the most familiar avatar among ten-thousand faces of the same thing.

But: the scariness of monsters in movies and on TV and in the minds of those looking at the closet door is greatly diminished when those monsters are finally shown or when the light is turned on and the door opened.

That's our goal folks - shine the light on Submission until people notice what it is. It's a monster, but when you pull off the burkas and the baklavas you find shrunken heads and cowards. They are simply The Great Oz - the fearsome wizard controlled by a charlatan in a booth. Let's continue to point at their feet under the curtain ....

Posted by: A_Plague_on_Both_Houses at August 10, 2006 11:28 AM

The reason the governments and MSM go out of their way to push the al qaeda connection is so that they DON'T have to connect the dots and say, "It's isalm, not radical islam, just good ol' run of the mill islam."

It's like being in a bad Harry Potter novel..."islam, the name you dare not speak."

Posted by: No_Mooselimbs at August 10, 2006 11:38 AM

Al-Qaida is only the Propaganda machine of the evil Islam. Osama Binny Laden will be happy to know that even this is attributed to him and his cronies. Let us not fool ourselves that the plotters are british born Pakistanis who are just Muslims and i won't buy into the concept of Al-Qaida shitters in this. This is home grown and Tony should bring back firmer controls for all Muslims who are living in this country. They should not be given Franchise rights and should have Travel restrictions to Pakistan. Because Pakistan is the haven for all these nutters and that is where they learn their trade. Media and politicians, please don't brand these bastards as South Asians, i personally take that as an insult and I am NOT a MUSLIM or Terrorist or Pedophile or a TRAITOR to my country and that is UK.

Posted by: Ramesh at August 10, 2006 11:44 AM

And last but not least............don't forget the missing Egyption Students in America. The timing is interesting.......................

Posted by: rumoret at August 10, 2006 11:46 AM

You know what No_Mooselimbs?
I think you may be right about why the al-Qaida brand is always mentioned. It's a euphemism for 'Islam' or 'Devout Muslim'

You know what else? al - Qaida means 'the base' so in a sense everyone IS right.

'The Base' is responsible. The Base, the basis or the foundation of it all -- ISLAM.Islam is the basis of all of this for 1427 years.

Posted by: A_Plague_on_Both_Houses at August 10, 2006 11:54 AM

West Must Reduce Muslim Immigration

Although most Muslims are non-violent, the radical minority should force the West to ban Muslim illegal immigration (ie fake refugee claimants) and reduce legal immigration as well from Muslim countries where the terrorists predominantly come from (eg Pakistan, Bangladesh, etc). Failure to do so will jeopardize our security and well-being. Governments in countries like the UK are reluctant to do so as the ruling Labour Party will lose its hold on the Muslim vote bank. In this regard, the public should bring the government to task and force its hand.

Alternatively, the public (in the UK, Canada, and the EU countries) should take legal action against their governments to at least ban illegal immigration (as most refugee claimants from Pakistan and Bangladesh and other Muslim countries are fake and are a major economic burden as well as a security threat).

David

Posted by: david at August 10, 2006 11:55 AM

West Must Reduce Muslim Immigration

Although most Muslims are non-violent, the radical minority should force the West to ban Muslim illegal immigration (ie fake refugee claimants) and reduce legal immigration as well from Muslim countries where the terrorists predominantly come from (eg Pakistan, Bangladesh, etc). Failure to do so will jeopardize our security and well-being. Governments in countries like the UK are reluctant to do so as the ruling Labour Party will lose its hold on the Muslim vote bank. In this regard, the public should bring the government to task and force its hand.

Alternatively, the public (in the UK, Canada, and the EU countries) should take legal action against their governments to at least ban illegal immigration (as most refugee claimants from Pakistan and Bangladesh and other Muslim countries are fake and are a major economic burden as well as a security threat).

David

Posted by: david at August 10, 2006 11:56 AM

Where are the other 8 Egyptian students?

Posted by: Gotham at August 10, 2006 12:04 PM

Believe me

The Intelligence community is well aware of the true nature of the threat.

Do you think this site is not studied and has not been helpful in any way in determining an understanding of the motivations of the terrorists?

Do you think that the intelligence community is stupid enough to go along with what the public reads about in the less informed media?

Do you not understand that the intelligence community has to monitor hundreds of thousands of Muslims and try to maintain a balanced appearance?

How many operations would be jepoardised by forcing the Muslims to go further under cover?

This is a new type of war, deception and counter-deception is the key to just maintaining the status quo.

Shout from the roof tops and you risk everythng in this war. Subtlety, sobriety and the most clever tactics can only succeed. People you malign in the media as supporters of Islam may only be planted there! Keep your friends close and your enemies closer!

Posted by: Churchill1938 at August 10, 2006 12:10 PM

I hate flying -- thanks Al Quida -- you rotten SOB's!

Posted by: champ at August 10, 2006 12:40 PM

Also - can we extend the bogeyman to groups other than al-Qaida? They are over rated as the proverbial 'monster in the closet' in my opinion. al-Qaida is but one of a thousand manifestation of the monster - the most familiar avatar among ten-thousand faces of the same thing.

But: the scariness of monsters in movies and on TV and in the minds of those looking at the closet door is greatly diminished when those monsters are finally shown or when the light is turned on and the door opened.

That's our goal folks - shine the light on Submission until people notice what it is. It's a monster, but when you pull off the burkas and the baklavas you find shrunken heads and cowards. They are simply The Great Oz - the fearsome wizard controlled by a charlatan in a booth. Let's continue to point at their feet under the curtain ....

Excellent post, a plague on both houses!

Posted by: Stand fast in the liberty at August 10, 2006 12:53 PM

Churchill1938- what you say is comforting but doesn't help the public.

We are facing a facist threat and one which should be seen publicly. The United States has never been a place or a people adept or appreciative of subtlety. We need to be beaten over the head with a hammer to 'get it'. We have too many good things to do and are too busy with the minutae of daily life to keep a threat in mind that is not clearly stated.

I sure do hope that you're right, but let's leave the double entendres and sophisticated spycraft to those nations who must resort to it out of necessity and lack of resources ( aka Israel )

The strength of the United States can be realized only when the wicker basket comes off the lampstand. Only when the problem is laid on the table will it be 'good to eat' and 'good for the digestion'.

People who state things publicly and who shout from the rooftops do no 'damage' to the intelligence community. Bullshit.

We have a problem with the beliefs of 10% of the world. This problem won't be fixed until those people are defeated, their assumptions trashed, their idols smashed and their temple pulled down all around them. They have to be utterly humilated and laid low in the light of day. That is the solution, not selected operations hidden from view. That will do nothing in the long run.

You sir, confuse the bureaucratic tactic of secrecy with a strategy that will put the dogs down. Secrecy will solve nothing in the end. It does more harm than good to address the problem.

The cult of personality around Mohammed and the idol known as al-lah must be smashed in the light of day. That is the end game.

Posted by: A_Plague_on_Both_Houses at August 10, 2006 12:53 PM

Churchill1938 also forgets his namesake, the original Winston, who saw no need to pussyfoot in "subtlety and sobriety" about the Fascist and Nazi enemies of his day.

The only reason we are being, at best, cleverly subtle about naming the enemy, or, at worst, naively obfuscatory -- probably an incoherent combination of the two --: the only reason why we in the West are being this way is because of the sociopolitical dominance of PC multiculturalism, which reflexively and prejudicially protects Muslims and their paradigmatic ethnicity (Islam) because the vast majority are non-white and non-Western.

Posted by: Television at August 10, 2006 1:24 PM

Churchill, I agree with your assessment of our FBI, etc. Folks, he is simply saying that our intelligence community have tightened up since 911 and they are well aware of the current threats. They are not likely to be influenced by the lefty-liberal media.

I personally know of a conversation with an FBI officer in New Jersey....they have even prepared for the contingency that the 'students' might be carrying a biological threat or disease. I know this because when they were asked outright, they responded positively that they were indeed on top of this possibility.

So don't be so hard on Churchill. Churchill is not the enemy - let's stay united against the real enemy.

Posted by: The Goobs at August 10, 2006 1:31 PM

The Goobs - I understand Churchill is not the enemy. I am critical of the idea that all we hold dear will be saved by 'keeping it on the down-low'. People need to know what's at stake, they need to know the nature of the war and they need to name the enemy. That is essential in a free society.

Leave secrecy , RealPolitic and clandestine operations guided by a select group to novels and tyrannies. That type of policy doesn't match our strengths. Get the People behind it... we aren't stupid, afraid or conflicted if we can name the enemy and describe the nature of the war in plain terms, in the light of day in public discourse.

Believe in the People and the common good. We are facing the same fascist enemy as we have before. Bring it out into the open and let's get on with it.

Secrecy weakens the nation. Euphemisms weaken thought. We're up to the task.

Posted by: A_Plague_on_Both_Houses at August 10, 2006 2:44 PM

And Churchill1938 - if you read my posts and you think "he may be right for the U.S., but not for the U.K." I couldn't agree with you less.

Secrecy and Euphemisms work against the effort whether you're in the U.K., the U.S. or France for that matter. Not confronting The Great Oz leads to more wizardry - no way around it. A price will be paid in the catharsis and France will suffer the worst. It has to come about sooner or later. Why wait for the jihadi liberation front to decide the time and place?

Posted by: A_Plague_on_Both_Houses at August 10, 2006 3:03 PM

It's amusing and disquieting that whenever someone raises internal criticisms in the Jihad Watcher's camp, the response is invariably one of, "Stop criticizing your fellows -- we must work together!"

This response implies that self-criticism within a group is automatically weakness. In fact, true strength (as opposed to the artificial unanimity of dictatorships and fascisms) of a group cannot be cultivated apart from the ongoing integration of self-criticism among its members. This ongoing integration will not be perfect; when you open yourself up to constructive criticism, and you have a relatively democratic group, you will unavoidably incur some destructive and otherwise time-wasting and resource-depleting criticism as well. But that's life. Life is imperfect. And true strength grows only in the imperfect terms of real life.

The Jihadwatching movement hopefully is, or will soon become, larger than the extremely limited (though qualitatively valuable) purview of this particular website, jihadwatch.org. I hope to see the strength of such a movement, as it grows, incorporate more constructive self-criticism than either the unofficial participants here seem to favor or the official authorities here have permitted (let alone digested).

-- remote control, aka Television

Posted by: remote_control at August 10, 2006 3:04 PM

P.S.: speaking of the larger Jihadwatching movement, see my latest essay in my blog that gives a "mixed review" of another tiny cell among the interstices of the Internet -- the anti-Islam chat rooms at Paltalk.

http://hesperado.blogspot.com/

Posted by: remote_control at August 10, 2006 3:07 PM

David,
I agree, no more immigration from islamic countries, not unless said immigrant receives communion, eats a pork sandwich or wears a yarmulke, uses the koran as TP (like the 'Palestinians did when they trashed the church of the Nativity hiding out like the cowards they are) and demonstrates they don't believe women are just baby-making, sperm depositories and children aren't future explosive devises...how THAT could be accomplished is impossible. The fact that American taxpayers had to pay to rescue stupid vacationers too moronic to heed State Dept. travel warnings and those "dual-citizens" in Lebanon still doesn't sit right with me.

Someone once compared islam to an iceberg....the jihadis are the top that you see, but the UMMAH is all the billions of muslims below the surface giving the jihadis their hidden support.

Everyone is correct about the average red-state Anmerican getting tired of to quote Bush "this shit"! FOX news said that the airliner plan was probably going to happen in 7-10 days....my parents are scheduled to fly back on American Airlines from Heathrow in 8 days.....now THAT terrorist attack would've RADICALIZED me.

Posted by: No_Mooselimbs at August 10, 2006 3:59 PM

Too much booze and promiscuous sex? Even the worst excesses in that particular arena are pretty innocuous compared to public beheadings and stonings. Do these self-hating liberal types have any sense of reality?

Posted by: londongirl at August 10, 2006 4:11 PM

Oops! I didn't mean to suggest the 'Palestinian' cowards cowering in the Church of the Nativity used the koran as TP.... NO, they used the Bible.

Posted by: No_Mooselimbs at August 10, 2006 4:26 PM

Wow!

http://www.wbbm780.com/pages/67212.php

They have been picking up these 'students' all over the country! 6 have been found 5 are still missing.

Let's see....they have been found in Minnesota, Chicago (with a New York ticket...anyone curious how he got to Chicago?), BALTIMORE, Maryland, and New Jersey.

Wonder where the other 5 will be found? Hmmmm maybe Florida, California, Seattle, Texas, Oklahoma?

Ask yourself...why did they spread out???? The pathetic pc media are reporting that they were just misguided egyptians who decided to look for work. RUBBISH. How did they travel??? WHO GAVE THEM TRANSPORTATION???

What if they are spreading biological agents or have made contact with others for a horrible purpose?

I do not for one second believe they are innocent 'students'. Nope...the timing is too perfect for that.

Folks, we may be seeing the spread of some kind of bad disease or we may be getting ready to see some major terrorism in our large cities across the US. Something is up.

Posted by: The Goobs at August 10, 2006 4:36 PM

Do you think that the intelligence community is stupid enough to go along with what the public reads about in the less informed media?

In a word....yes.
"Infil-traitored" too.

Posted by: Carolyn2 at August 10, 2006 4:37 PM

Baby formualas and medicines exempted.

I predict that they will next use babies in their Jihad. They'll put explosives in the baby's milk or in their nappy (diaper).

Posted by: Voltaire at August 10, 2006 5:21 PM

I have found the responses to my previous post most interesting.

I have clearly been taken out of context as i was trying to point out that it is the job of the politicians to "shout from the rooftops" and not as some state the job of an Intel Spokesman.

This is a war on many levels and the Intel community has a job to do and it is not to jeapordise ops by making political statements.

We are all Jihad Watchers here and as a contributer i think we need to realise who the enemy is here.

I have contributed many posts here to Spencer, under the name PK. I am also 'active' in this war.

May god or gods protect us all and guide us to victory.

Posted by: Churchill1938 at August 10, 2006 6:54 PM

Domestos

Great post.

SPF - I like that.

Muslims are individually all SPFs.

Gotta remove them from the equation.

Posted by: DP111 at August 10, 2006 7:46 PM

Churchill1938.... I do realize that you are not the enemy. I do understand who the enemy is. I concede on your point that the intel community should not be issuing political statements. My point is that we need to move to a place where making statements about Islam and true believers should not be considered 'political' or even controversial.

Stating the nature of the threat and the name of the enemy and defining the issue realistically is essential to the prosecution of this kind of battle in the free world. Doing this in the light of day will be the only way we can succeed. True, it might make certain tactical operations for the intel community more problematic, but that's a problem of objectives, not goals. It's a complication in tactics, not strategy. In some ways having the enemy named will make it easier on the intel community, for instance, it will no longer be constrained with matters of decorum nor will it be obstructed by concerns about 'what those in power might think'. Clearly defining the war and naming the enemy as both the belief system and its followers will help the intel community, not hurt it.

By the way, if you are actively involved in the effort I salute you and wish you the best in all your endeavors.

Posted by: A_Plague_on_Both_Houses at August 11, 2006 10:11 AM

Two of the plotters, both brothers, were from my home town of High Wycombe in Buckinghamshire. Police found boxes in their house during the raid. The boxes may have contained chemicals used for mixing.
Also, a three mile no-fly zone was imposed around High Wycombe. Perhaps the police were worried about someone using a ground-to-air missile; I don't know. Now I know why I didn't hear any planes yesterday evening!!! Ha Ha.
Anyway, this came to mind as I was reading -

Watch out, watch out,
There's a Jihad about.

Sarah. UK.

Posted by: Virgo at August 11, 2006 4:53 PM

Two of the plotters, both brothers, were from my home town of High Wycombe in Buckinghamshire. Police found boxes in their house during the raid. The boxes may have contained chemicals used for mixing.
Also, a three mile no-fly zone was imposed around High Wycombe. Perhaps the police were worried about someone using a ground-to-air missile; I don't know. Now I know why I didn't hear any planes yesterday evening!!! Ha Ha.
Anyway, this came to mind as I was reading -

Watch out, watch out,
There's a Jihad about.

Sarah. UK.

Posted by: Virgo at August 11, 2006 4:53 PM

"Although most Muslims are non-violent, the radical minority should force the West to ban Muslim illegal immigration (ie fake refugee claimants) and reduce legal immigration as well from Muslim countries where the terrorists predominantly come from (eg Pakistan, Bangladesh, etc"

The West should bar ALL Muslim immigration and deport all Muslims who are non-citizens until there is no longer a terror threat which will be many years if ever. The truth is, you can't always tell which Muslim out of a group is a terrorist or will become one and even a few can cause huge damage, so you just have to keep out the whole group.

Posted by: corli at August 13, 2006 6:50 AM