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"Police Arrest New Bomb Suspect," from SBS World News Australia, with thanks to JE:
British police have arrested another suspect in connection with the alleged plot to blow up trans-Atlantic airliners from London to the United States.A total of 24 people are now being held in custody in Britain.
Scotland Yard alleges suspected Islamic militants planned to use liquid explosives to bomb up to 10 US bound aircraft.
Police said the new suspect was arrested in the Thames Valley area in southeastern Britain, where several houses were raided last week....
The 23 people who had been arrested earlier are all British-born Muslims, mainly of Pakistani descent....
According to British media, one of the houses raided in High Wycombe, may have been used to mix the chemicals....
Meanwhile, a British Muslim leader warns that if British officials single out Muslims for scrutiny to determine whether or not they are terrorists, more Muslims will become terrorists:
The idea of passenger profiling has been rejected by Muslim leaders who warn it could alienate the nation's 1.5 million Muslims.The Times newspaper reported that the Department for Transport is considering a profiling system to select people behaving suspiciously.
Under the proposal, they may also be targeted if they have an unusual travel pattern or a certain ethnic or religious background.
It said the government was considering introducing a screening system that allows security staff to focus on those passengers who pose the greatest risk.
John Stevens, former head of London's Metropolitan Police, told the News of The World that airport chaos could be reduced by targeting passengers for more rigorous checks, with "young Muslim men" a focus.
Muslim leaders warned that profiling would backfire.
"If the community is profiled as a community, there will be a backlash and no-one is going to co-operate with the police and the authorities, which is important to fight terror," Abdul Bari, secretary general of the Muslim Council of Britain, said.
Posted by Robert at August 16, 2006 7:00 AM
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The statistics speak for themselves.
If there is more chance someone willing wanting to blow up a plane is of Pakistani decent, young and male it only makes sense to give people fitting this description more stringent checks.
The laws of probability are used in scientific experiments and help determine the results, why can't we apply this to the social science of weeding out muslim aggressors who wish to harm us?
The thing liberals and the news papers like to do is point out the exceptions to the rule "but he was a white convert". Sure... but on the scale of things he represents 0.0000001% of the usual suspects.
We can no longer afford to be politically correct. Time to name and shame.
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at August 16, 2006 7:24 AM
Oh, yes, and if the police target only men when they're investigating rapes of women, there'll be a backlash among men, who'll then go out and rape women. Uh huh.
Somehow, I'd be more convinced that there's no connection between Islam and terrorism if the Muslim imams and spokespeople would stop issuing threats to non-Muslims after every terrorism incident.
Posted by: Columba at August 16, 2006 7:39 AM
If the community is profiled as a community, there will be a backlash and no-one is going to co-operate with the police and the authorities
The Muslims already do not co-operate with the police. THe crime rate in neighborhoods with Muslims is soaring in every European Muslim Community. Every time there is a terror attact, the suspects are rounded up in these very same neighborhoods. Investigations lead authorities to other Muslims in other countries.
The backlash will occur because the Muslims object to being "discovered" for the liars and terrorists they are not because they are wrongly singled out.
Muslims continue to participate in over 90% of all violence in the world today. They openly support violence,terror and proclaim their intent on world dominance.
Profiling is mandatory to begin the process of security and order. It is sickening to see Muslims being interview on news reports and commentaries. They portray this sickening auora of how peaceful they are. They continue to blame The Israelites and the Americans for their problems yet refuse to blame Islamic madmen clerics, who are inciting the masses, as the real instigators of hate.
When you try to make Muslims obey the existing laws that you adhere to, then they protest, riot, and disobey. They know if they are arrested, nothing happens. I have noticed everytime (despite the undeniable evidence found)a Muslim is found to be participating in a terror incident or terror plot all his Muslims neighbors claim innocence and say "He is no terrorist".
The Muslims are increasingly alienated, but it is they who are alienating themselves from the world. Profiling is a correct action that should be enforced. Deportation is an action that should used more than it is.
It would be hard to jail all the young Muslim street thugs who are taking over the neighborhoods, but deportation would remove them from the streets.
Large Muslim populations mean they will control the vote on elected officials. Once Muslims are elected they will begin to rewrite laws and be very influencial in court decisions. By becoming a majority in communities they will fill jury selections as they , by being the majority, leave the jury selection process no choice but to select Muslim jurors.
Once they control the local political offices, it is only a matter of time they begin to be elected into state and federal positions where they will be able to thwart decisions on internal and foreign policy.
Already complaints are seen where Muslims are employed in airports, post offices, and private security firms in which Muslim are looking the other way if Muslims with other than peaceful interests decide to carry out their own agenda.Imagine what can happen if they control the government.
The Muslims can get mad if profiling points them out, but until they show someone else is creating terror and worldwide death then they must realize we will profile and watch them very closely. Our lives depend upon it.
Posted by: exsgtbrown at August 16, 2006 7:42 AM
""If the community is profiled as a community, there will be a backlash and no-one is going to co-operate with the police and the authorities, which is important to fight terror," Abdul Bari, secretary general of the Muslim Council of Britain, said."
Fine -- no co-operation, no flight.
Posted by: JFGR at August 16, 2006 7:42 AM
Abdul Bari must be apoplectic, then, about what the Director General of Al-Arabya TV in London stated in English in response to recent events (courtesy of MEMRI):
"To Describe a Muslim as a Terrorist is Natural if He is a Terrorist"
"In the end, describing rotten apples as rotten does not make the people hate eating good apples. The same applies to the Muslims; there are one billion Muslims in the world, and the world has no option other than dealing with them, and hunting down the evil minority among them. We have wasted a long time since the seventies in being preoccupied with protesting against nomenclatures and images. This is despite the fact that these people hijack civilian airliners, kill people in restaurants, and justify their actions by using pan-Arab or Islamic descriptions. To describe a Muslim as terrorist is natural if he is a terrorist, the same as you do with a Colombian drug smuggler, an Italian mafioso, a Russian butcher, a British Nazi, or a U.S. right-wing extremist."
Read it all: http://memri.org/bin/latestnews.cgi?ID=SD124806
What makes these young men turn to terrorism isn't racial profiling, or the denunciation of terrorism, it's being brainwashed into believing that you are a victim and your only option for "justice" is to perpetrate an act of terror.
Posted by: waterdragon52 at August 16, 2006 7:55 AM
I know that the Brits are a bit more adept at dealing with terrorism than US authorities but I'm not convinced that the laws in place or those enforcing the laws will be able to keep the jihadists in chains.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/4796995.stm
What ever happened to the Guy Fawkes approach to dealing with deadly traitors?
-XRDC
Posted by: XRDC at August 16, 2006 9:28 AM
I know that the Brits are a bit more adept at dealing with terrorism than US authorities but I'm not convinced that the laws in place or those enforcing the laws will be able to keep the jihadists in chains.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/4796995.stm
What ever happened to the Guy Fawkes approach to dealing with deadly traitors?
-XRDC
Posted by: XRDC at August 16, 2006 9:28 AM
This is just ridiculous, the threat of withdrawing co-operaton. Surely for responsible citizens of the country co-operating with the authorities is not optional, it not somthing you bargain about, either you co-operate or you don't, where is the alternative. it doesn't depend on other factors, aren't muslims as threatened by terrorism as others, on the contrary even more so. By the way is there any data about what sort of co-operation has happened so far. And this idea that anything will drive so far normal people into terrorism is just too far fetched, why isn't there a more robust response from british citizens to this garbage and fellow citizens threatnening them with violence, is this the sad state multiculturism has reduced Britain to. In which case they deserve what is happning to them currently.
Posted by: raulb at August 16, 2006 9:34 AM
exsgtbrown: if I read u right, you are worried that allowing Muslims to participate in the democratic process will allow them to introduce laws that will favour the Islamic community. So your alternative would be to de-franchiase them? Interestingly, that's the same end goal that UK radical islamists have (to stop muslims voting). How about encouraging the existing muslim community to vote, to get them engaged in the political process, and to allow the community to see that thru the democtraic process they will not be alienated.
(pls excuse spelling, on a machine without spell check).
at August 16, 2006 9:37 AM
I know that the Brits are a bit more adept at dealing with terrorism than US authorities but I'm not convinced that the laws in place or those enforcing the laws will be able to keep the jihadists in chains.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/4796995.stm
What ever happened to the Guy Fawkes approach to dealing with deadly traitors?
-XRDC
Posted by: XRDC at August 16, 2006 9:42 AM
I know that the Brits are a bit more adept at dealing with terrorism than US authorities but I'm not convinced that the laws in place or those enforcing the laws will be able to keep the jihadists in chains.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/4796995.stm
What ever happened to the Guy Fawkes approach to dealing with deadly traitors?
-XRDC
Posted by: XRDC at August 16, 2006 9:46 AM
"me thinks they doth protest too much" and as in Macbeth the reason is to hide their GUILT - to hide it from us and as important to hide it from themselves - deep down they KNOW they are the problem - they are living a scizophrenic existence and the more we pander to their too loud protestations the longer this charade will go on - Lets call a spade a spade and let the chips fall!
Posted by: johnmac at August 16, 2006 10:00 AM
A very good read when it comes to the so-called liquid explosives:
http://www.interesting-people.org/archives/interesting-people/200608/msg00087.html
Posted by: asmodai at August 16, 2006 10:12 AM
americaningermany
I see some glmmers of hope the Stevens editorial in the times of london that was a like a breath of fresh air - blowing away the pc cobwebs and for once stating the obvious - islamic terrorism is owned by the muslim community and it is their problem to solve - they should stop wineing like spoilt children and stand up and and unconditionally condemn ISLAMIC terrorism - not qualifying it with excuses - and if they wont or cant then they must obviously condone it and should be treated like potential terrorists!
Posted by: johnmac at August 16, 2006 10:31 AM
from an article i read:
Sixty-eight percent support the arrest and prosecution of those British people who "insult Islam." When asked if free speech should be protected, even if it offends religious groups, 62 percent of British Muslims say No, it should not.
Well, I think we should have 100% support for the prosecution of Muslims who insult freedom and openly support terrorist groups either by participation or protest marches. And 100% protection of free speech.
at August 16, 2006 10:43 AM
I personally think that the only difference between "moderate" followers of muhammed - whatever the F** that means and terrorist followers of the man is one of method - they all share the same objectives i.e. a world wide caliphate and islamic dominance of the globe - scratch a modetrate and find a ....... please fill in the blanks
Posted by: johnmac at August 16, 2006 10:59 AM
How about encouraging the existing muslim community to vote, to get them engaged in the political process, and to allow the community to see that thru the democratic process they will not be alienated. Posted by: albion
Yes and while we are at it why don’t we encourage them to become Teachers, Airline pilots and Nuclear power plant operators? Do you even pay attention to what is written here at J/W? Do you believe that they will suddenly drop their 1400 year old religion and quit butchering Infidels for democracy? Unbelievable! We don’t want them disenfranchised, we want them deported.
at August 16, 2006 11:46 AM
Read this article about a priest who goes to mosque to learn what goes on....
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,208516,00.html
There is an email contact at the end of the article, be polite.
at August 16, 2006 12:08 PM
Albion, are you the same albion that posted here a couple of years ago?
Posted by: Carolyn2 at August 16, 2006 12:18 PM
So muslims are warning if Brits do not let them blow things up, they'll get mad and blow things up. So there!
Posted by: OLDPUPPYMAX at August 16, 2006 12:37 PM
the only moderate Muslim is one who has not killed you yet
Posted by: exsgtbrown at August 16, 2006 12:42 PM
Islamisbad
Strangely enough about 5 years ago I met an old Polish woman, the last non-Muslim in a street she had lived in for 50+ years. As a girl she had been a forced labourer in Germany, she said Germans were “Baddest people in the world”. She asked me this –
“In war I must all time do this to German” – She bowed her head touched her forehead in a gesture of submission – “Now I must all time do this to Pakistani” – Made the same gesture – “What the difference?”
By the way unlike many of her neighbours a least she could speak English.
at August 16, 2006 1:50 PM
Islamisbad,
Some people will never get it. They are like the guy and his wife in the true life movie Grizzly Man. These people think that they can live among the Bears and be “accepted” as one of them. Sadly they both end up being killed and eaten by their “friends” the Bears.
at August 16, 2006 3:43 PM
Islamisbad
It is difficult for people to understand how things are in Britain. The problem is that the British are overwhelmingly decent and easy-going, not so much racist as slightly xenophobic.
They feel that not liking people is not nice and above all they like to be nice. So the government has taken the easy course of suppressing its own people with of course the help of the intelligentsia.
If you say one word - and I mean one word out of place in Britain, the least you can expect is to be sent on a racial/cultural awareness course. After that you can lose your job (quite easy) and in the final case go to prison.
There is a link on the JW site to a British Muslim site entitled it Islamophobia. It is extremely well designed and details at considerable length every slight suffered by Muslims anywhere in Britain over a considerable period and it is constantly updated. If anyone tried to put together a similar site detailing attacks and insults by Muslims - or another minority - they would be jailed for anything up to three years.
Two examples. About three years ago a man working for himself produced 8000 free weekly newspapers containing mainly advertising. Without regard to copyright he reprinted a story about asylum seekers from one of the national tabloids. One of his readers made a complaint, possibly a liberal and therefore unaware of the origin of the story, and he received a warning visit from the police.
Second example. A village was going to put on a spoof Christmas pantomime “Snow White and the Seven Asylum Seekers”. They were reported to the Race Relations Board and ordered to send their script for inspection. I think the production was subsequently cancelled.
Need I say more?
at August 16, 2006 4:52 PM
"...there is more chance someone willing wanting to blow up a plane is of Pakistani decent, young and male... "
Naseem, do you know where your kids are?
at August 16, 2006 5:26 PM
Will USA ultimately be like UK (meaning more radical American Muslims than now) if we see more of what is reported as New York Times Article on Rise of Islamic Schools/Seminaries/Madrassas in USA
We shall have no shortage of suicide bombers and killers. What's Chuck Schumer, Al D'Amato doing ?
Fighting with Charlie Rangel and Al Sharpton over human rights violations of terrorists who want to blow the Brooklyn Bridge ?
Mohammed bin Kafir Abu Jahal
Posted by: Mohammed bin Kafir Abu Jahal at August 16, 2006 8:27 PM
Will USA ultimately be like UK (meaning more radical American Muslims than now) if we see more of what is reported as New York Times Article on Rise of Islamic Schools/Seminaries/Madrassas in USA
We shall have no shortage of suicide bombers and killers. What's Chuck Schumer, Al D'Amato doing ?
Fighting with Charlie Rangel and Al Sharpton over human rights violations of terrorists who want to blow the Brooklyn Bridge ?
Mohammed bin Kafir Abu Jahal
Posted by: Mohammed bin Kafir Abu Jahal at August 16, 2006 8:28 PM
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