Do you think there is an implication to her being Pakistani? It is shocking that you feel this way. Someone's religious background -- the specifics of what she was taught from childhood -- has nothing whatsoever to do with her actions.

Posted by: StillBreathing at August 17, 2006 5:15 PM

Another misunderstander?
I wish they would do something about Airport security as far as people who work on the ramp a devout thrower or fuel truck driver and the religion of boom strikes again. Discrimination is a good thing.It always has been.

Posted by: KAOSKTRL at August 17, 2006 5:15 PM

It's a pretty small airport. The field reporter panned the camera to show all the people evacuated to the parking lot. I counted 8 or 9. Then he said there are a lot of people wanting answers.

This will no doubt become another "media-hyped" false alarm. Until something actually blows up, it doesn't matter if it was a legitimate threat or not. It seems like we will never be given the straight story from our gov't.

-XRDC

Posted by: XRDC at August 17, 2006 5:21 PM

What's Naseem doing in West Virginia?

Posted by: Bohemond_1069 at August 17, 2006 5:21 PM

whats the betting it turns out to be moonshine.

Posted by: Holger Dansker at August 17, 2006 5:23 PM

whats the betting it turns out to be moonshine.

Posted by: Holger Dansker at August 17, 2006 5:25 PM

I am sure this is all just a misunderstanding, which just happens to look like a dry run designed to test the new security measures. Any imam could explain the substance in the water was a muslim drink additive commonly used by pregnant muslim women to cure motion sickness. Lets not keep the poor woman waiting, allow her to travel freely. After all the air belongs to allah and you have no right to detain her. She is taking medicine to her sick children in dearborne and they are waiting for it. This racial profiling of muslim women is a disgrace and must stop. (I could so work for cair)

Posted by: Ronin at August 17, 2006 5:28 PM

Liberals will not be concerned that this happened.

What they will say is, "Was she profiled"?

or

"Even if there were explosives was she going to use them"?

or

"If she posed an 'imminent' threat, then please define 'imminent', and please prove your definition of 'imminent'"

or

"She did this because of our foreign policy, our foreign policy is not to the liking so she needs to kill people, please understand".

Posted by: alaskan1000 at August 17, 2006 5:28 PM

Holger Dansker-

Moonshine or Crescentshine?

-XRDC

Posted by: XRDC at August 17, 2006 5:29 PM

she did it coz of hate

Posted by: stars at August 17, 2006 5:32 PM

Damn Lutherans!

Posted by: MP at August 17, 2006 5:32 PM

Someone please forward this woman the memo from Condi Rice that they are all suppose to 'voluntarily' lay down their weapons and we are all to get along.

I just heard that we no longer need a military or police at all because anyone and everyone that opposed us is laying down their weapons 'voluntarily'. Look out the windows it is happening as we speak!!!

Posted by: alaskan1000 at August 17, 2006 5:37 PM

N. Korea Appears to Be Preparing for Nuclear TestAug. 17, 2006 — There is new evidence that North Korea may be preparing for an underground test of a nuclear bomb, U.S. officials tell ABC News.

"It is the view of the intelligence community that a test is real possibility," says a senior State Department official.

A senior military official tells ABC News that a U.S. intelligence agency has recently observed "suspicious vehicle movement" at a suspected North Korean test site.

The activity includes the unloading of large reels of cable outside an underground facility called Pungyee-yok in northeast North Korea. Cables can be used in nuclear testing to connect an underground test site to outside observation equipment. The intelligence was brought to the attention of the White House last week.

Even before this most recent intelligence, there has been growing concern within the U.S. government that North Korea is moving toward a nuclear test. North Korea is believed to have enough nuclear material to build as many as a dozen nuclear bombs, but it has never tested one. A successful test would remove any doubt that North Korea is a nuclear power.http://abcnews.go.com/International/story?id=2326083&page=1

Posted by: storagemanager at August 17, 2006 5:40 PM

Hey stars, I'd like to see where you get your numbers you troll.

Posted by: St_James at August 17, 2006 5:49 PM

Hit "Post" ONCE and only once..

Posted by: Bohemond_1069 at August 17, 2006 5:49 PM

Actually we are proud of our record, granted it doesn't match islams but at least we try. Also, we are up to baghdad sniper 40 now or is it 50, I do get so confused.

Posted by: Ronin at August 17, 2006 5:49 PM

ISLAMIC EXTREMISM IS A DIRECT RESPONSE TO THE POLITICAL MILITARY INTERFERENCE OF THE WEST.
9/11 HAPPEND BECAUSE OF AMERICAN TROOPS BEING STATIONED IN SAUDI. BRITAIN IS NOW A TARGET BECAUSE OF THE TERRORIST INVASION OF IRAQ.
ITS NOT BECAUSE WE HATE YOUR WAY OF LIFE, YOU MIGHT FIND THIS HARD TO BELIEVE BUT, WE DO NOT ENVY THE FACT THAT YOUR WOMEN CANT WALK THE STREETS WITHOUT BEING RAPED, WE DONOT HATE THE FACT THAT WE CANNOT LEAVE OUR HOMES AND GET ROBBED, WE ARE NOT JEALOOUSE THAT OUR CHILDREN ARE NOT DRUG ADDICTS, WE DON NOT WISH WE INVENTED THE BIG MAC,

Posted by: stars at August 17, 2006 5:54 PM

Dear Stars - repeating lies over and over doesn't make them 'truths' unless you're brainwashed, know nothing else, have had freedom of expression eliminated in your area or if you're a cult member.

In other words - it doesn't work here like it does other places.

Posted by: A_Plague_on_Both_Houses at August 17, 2006 6:02 PM

stars, I take it you will not be attending this year's JW/DW Christmas/Chanukka/Dahli Festival?

Posted by: special_guest at August 17, 2006 9:32 PM

LOL@special

Posted by: Patriot8 at August 17, 2006 9:35 PM

i see that "stars" is jumping up and down, having an allcaps tantrum.

Posted by: Jim The Kafir at August 17, 2006 9:35 PM

Hey....Stars......oil your computer keys, brutha, they appear to be stuck.

Islamic extremism is not a result of anything but the words written in the Qur'an and Sunnah.

You said (over and over and over): YOU MIGHT FIND THIS HARD TO BELIEVE BUT, WE DO NOT ENVY THE FACT THAT YOUR WOMEN CANT WALK THE STREETS WITHOUT BEING RAPED, WE DONOT HATE THE FACT THAT WE CANNOT LEAVE OUR HOMES AND GET ROBBED, WE ARE NOT JEALOOUSE THAT OUR CHILDREN ARE NOT DRUG ADDICTS, WE DON NOT WISH WE INVENTED THE BIG MAC,

How about the women in the West being raped by Muslim gangs?

And don't fool yourself into thinking that Muslims aren't into drugs..

Stop wasting bandwidth with this bullshit.

Posted by: DCWatson at August 17, 2006 9:36 PM

only kept us down for 4 hours,that all ya got stars?were gunna keep comin till islam is sleepin with the nazi's.

Posted by: Patriot8 at August 17, 2006 9:37 PM

stars, everywhere I look, it is you moslems in jails, killing relatives for dishonoring the family, raping women and girls, stoning and hanging rape victims, robbing and harassing tourists, killing tourists in Egypt, school children in asia and russia...ad naseum

tell me again what it is again we are supposed to jealous of you about???

how is it you moslems can't get along with any group of people anywhere in the world....methinks the islamic world needs to take a hard look in the mirror to see who or what the problem is...that is if you have mirrors in the backwater you live in.

Posted by: eve_anne_gelical at August 17, 2006 9:38 PM

I think this is great. When you tell the truth, the muslims go ballistic. On the internet, ballistic means you post the same anti-American rant 72 times. In real life, he would have shot you 72 times, stabbed you 72 times, or used 72 stick of dynamite to blow you up.

And yes, I think the number 72 was chosen with that in mind.

LOL

Muslims.

Posted by: August22 at August 17, 2006 9:40 PM

Stars, you're making the Manson girls look normal. Congratulations on attempting to advance an argument that's about as cogent as marriage advice from Liz Taylor. Please buy a one way ticket to Beirut and help with the rebuilding since you're so dedicated to the poor, helpless victims of the Great and Little Satans. Just don't try to take any Gatorade on the plane. Or snakes.

Posted by: bcore1973 at August 17, 2006 9:40 PM

I just wanted to comment on that other woman on the airplane yesterday.

It turns out she was a "peace activist" (and we've seen how helpful they can be to the "Palestinians") who, her son said, was in the mountains of Pakistan. She insinuated on the plane that the people she had been with in Pakistan had been Al-Qaeda. She also said there were 6-steps to build something, implying it was a bomb.

And, apparently again she did have a screwdriver, and a bottle of "gel", unknown if it was the previously mentioned Vaseline. And a whole bunch of cigarette lighters.

The articles have not yet mentioned any religious affiliation. It's probably not relevant in any way.

I don't know what her final story will be, but this was not just a drunk person who raised their voice to a stewardess.

Posted by: special_guest at August 17, 2006 9:45 PM

Dear Mr. Stars,

That stunt was really over the top; it was rude, crude, and ugly. Those were too many multiple posts to be a legitimate mistake. Of all the commenters on this site, you win the door prize. I only request that the JW/DW managers show you the door. Posting on this and other sites is a privledge.

PS - I am amazed that people like you do not understand why you are so disliked.

Cordially, Pelayo, a.k.a. He Who Started the Reconquistadora

Posted by: Pelayo at August 17, 2006 9:45 PM

so much frustration from the above repeat poster.
my potato pancakes are almost cooked properly. I wish i had applesauce. Really cold applesauce.

What was his problem again?

Posted by: nyone at August 17, 2006 9:46 PM

How about posting "Stars" ip address?

Posted by: old-dude at August 17, 2006 9:46 PM

"WE DON NOT WISH WE INVENTED THE BIG MAC"

Well you do have a good point, there.

Posted by: baraka66 at August 17, 2006 9:51 PM

I think Stars has been drinking some of the juice that Pakistani lady was trying to take on that plane.

Posted by: Ozi_bloke at August 17, 2006 9:55 PM

From the website:

"The Transportation Security Administration reports that two containers of liquid in a passenger's carry-on bag tested postive for explosive residue around 9:15 this morning. A second test was confirmed at 11:25. But a final test tonight showed that the liquid inside the bottle was not an explosive material. Captain Jack Chambers with the State Police Special Operations Unit says further tests will be conducted to determine the makeup of the residue from the outside of the bottles.

NBC News reports that federal screeners found four containers of liquids inside a woman's carry-on bag during the screening process this morning. Larry Salyers, Tri-State Airport Director, tells WSAZ the woman is of Pakistani origin, lived in Jackson, Michigan and most recently lived in the Huntington area. She is being detained for questioning.

A federal official says the containers were make-up bottles, and it's not known yet exactly what was inside. However, the official says the woman did seem to have legitimate reasons for traveling and did not fit any suspicious behavioral profile.

The trace analyzers detect minute amounts of explosive material. But they can also give positive readings on items that have come in contact with fertilizer, recently dry-cleaned clothes, and even hot dogs -- anything with nitrate compounds. "

There are real threats, but one should use some discretion before jumping on every news report and hyping it beyond reason.

Posted by: ryoga at August 17, 2006 10:00 PM

A derranged jerk said above:

ITS NOT BECAUSE WE HATE YOUR WAY OF LIFE, YOU MIGHT FIND THIS HARD TO BELIEVE BUT, WE DO NOT ENVY THE FACT THAT YOUR WOMEN CANT WALK THE STREETS WITHOUT
BEING RAPED, WE DONOT HATE THE FACT THAT WE CANNOT
LEAVE OUR HOMES AND GET ROBBED, WE ARE NOT JEALOOUSE THAT OUR CHILDREN ARE NOT DRUG ADDICTS, WE DON NOT WISH WE INVENTED THE BIG MAC,

I would rather be a woman walking alone on an American street than a goat in some mud shack in pakistan.Or a young mohamadean boy for that matter.
And dude you cant leave your home because your fellow believers will BLOW YOU UP for being the wrong brand of devil worshiper.Drugs? Everyone knows you people sleep all day during ramadan and do drugs and each other all night long.You're not fooling anyone! And I'm surprised you are not into big macs.There are so many possibilities for perverts like you.Didnt you ever see "American Pie".In conclusion I dont hate your way of life,I HATE YOU BECAUSE YOU ARE EVIL.

Posted by: 72_goats at August 17, 2006 10:01 PM

If this story holds true, it is a significant development. It reveals how Muslims in the West have gone conspiratorial to perform their operations in the West. The true intentions of Islam will slap the liberals in the face. Drastic changes must be made in handling these enemies of our nations.

stars thinks he can use the old Muslim tactic of guilt stifle our outrage. I tell him this: "We don't care what a criminal thinks! You should be behind bars! And out of our country which has been way too gracious for you!"

Posted by: ofcourse at August 17, 2006 10:04 PM

Trolls.

They're forever trying to stop us from going our way, and their language skills are always sadly deficient. Ugly and mean, they stand on the bridge boldly impeding our way. They demand we cower before them. Though they cannot string together a lucid phrase, they dominate the discourse, preventing thoughtful souls from getting a word in.

When finally we have no choice but to assemble on the bridge en masse to squish the hideous bastard like a bug, the troll accuses us of violent aggression and disproportionate force, and he whines like a little bitch about all the injustices and horrors we have visited on him that justify his attempts to subjugate us to his rightful dominion.

I'm aware you haven't a clue what I'm talking about, troll, so let me put it in a way you can understand:

It's a good thing you Muslims had one contribution to civilization--the zero--because maybe you can calculate the odds.

That's how much chance you have of holding the bridge.

One question:

Are you aware that now we know who you are, where you are, and why you are?

Hell, you won't shut up long enough to remain anonymous and obscure.

Trolls are so pathetic.

Posted by: Haid Dasalami at August 17, 2006 10:08 PM

"a final destination of Detroit, Michigan.

FBI officials are on scene."
from the article

I hope many FBI agents are on the scene in Detroit Michigan too, assigned to Detroit Michigan, with missions clearly defined. Those "residents" shouldn't have been allowed in in the first place, but now that they're here, someone damn well better be watching them.

Posted by: butterfly at August 17, 2006 10:09 PM

There are a lot of new names appearing on JW/DW. This is outstanding, except for those incursions by "individuals" like Stars.

Posted by: Pelayo at August 17, 2006 10:14 PM

Dear Stars, you might not be jealous (or "jealoouse", as you put it) that your children are not drug addicts, but there are plenty of drug problems amongst unemployed and unemployable muslim youths for example in Muslim Malaysia and Indonesia, so your claim that Islamic societies are free from social ills is a lie. And many here will also not be jealous of the way children are used in Palestine and elsewhere as suicide bombers, human shields, or child sacrifices as in the recent attempted London attacks. You might not "wis" (sic) to have invented the Big Mac, but you probably do wish that Islam could claim some credit for all the benefits that have accrued from the Renaissance, the Age of Englightenment, the Industrial Revolution and the Modern Digital Revolution, to name but a few things, but alas it cannot. You cannot even truly claim to have arrived at the concept of "zero" in mathematics (as is sometimes claimed), that subtle concept originated from a more subtle and ancient culture than yours, namely the Hindi Culture.

What I suggest you do, Stars, is you go back to your usual Islamist chatrooms and noticeboards where you will be amongst other ignorant losers like yourself, holding online names such as "Zarqawi_206" or "Saladin_100", where doubtless you have spent many a happy hour salivating over the latest Islamist carnage and terror, as well as exchanging the usual puerile anti-infidel and anti-Semitic conspiracy theories.

And Stars, why you have adopted such an un-Islamic online name? Why not use a very Islamic nom-de-plume, like Aisha_6, for example?

Posted by: The Northumbrian at August 17, 2006 10:16 PM

Really strange! I find this news to be very important and upseting but it is hardly making news! It happened at around 9am and I did not hear about it until late afternoon and I was checking the internet most of the day on and off!

Whats up?

Posted by: Bilas at August 17, 2006 10:18 PM

Haid Dasalami, The zero is of Indian origin and predates Mohammed anyway. Take away the invention of the zero and what contributions to intellectual growth have Muslims made?

Posted by: Pelayo at August 17, 2006 10:21 PM

Aisha_6. LOL.

Nice post, North.

Regards,

Haid.

Posted by: Haid Dasalami at August 17, 2006 10:23 PM

Stars, you trolls keep things lively here, why dont you just shut up, read some stuff,and educate yourself, then you can become a human being when you find out islam is the death cult of evil doers. maybe if your smart enough you will leave the cult and become anybut a muslim.

Posted by: ZenaWarriorPrincess at August 17, 2006 10:29 PM

Pelayo and North,

I always concede Muslims the zero, even though I'm aware they have no credible claim. They have to have something, you know.

Besides, have you not heard the story? The brilliant mathemeticians Omar and Abdul bet each other regarding who could locate more hot Muslim women in a week.

The next week they met and exclaimed simultaneously to each other, "How many you got?"

They were much too brilliant not to arrive at the concept of zero.

Regards,

HAID

Posted by: Haid Dasalami at August 17, 2006 10:32 PM

JW/DW was down for a few hours earlier, was stars somehow involved in that?
It seemed to me that Patriot8 was saying just that in an earlier post.

Posted by: OneEyedJack at August 17, 2006 10:33 PM

I was saying it too, Jack. Don't you remember your fairy tales from childhood? Trolls keep you from going over the bridge.

It's apparent we've been the target of a jihadist attack.

Posted by: Haid Dasalami at August 17, 2006 10:36 PM

My post above must be too long:

The story is now UPDATED:

From the website:

"The Transportation Security Administration reports that two containers of liquid in a passenger's carry-on bag tested postive for explosive residue around 9:15 this morning. A second test was confirmed at 11:25. But a final test tonight showed that the liquid inside the bottle was not an explosive material."

There are real threats, ect. ect.

Posted by: ryoga at August 17, 2006 10:39 PM

The four zillion identical posts by stars is indeed an attack to interrupt JW. That the site was brought down by him might be "overkill" and "over-reaction" that makes us look like fools, it's pretty apparent that stars was intent on impeding free discussion on this blog.

My guess is JW was forced to go code red.

Posted by: Haid Dasalami at August 17, 2006 10:44 PM

ya i figured it was him,just because of the multiple posts..could be wrong,wouldnt be the first time

Posted by: Patriot8 at August 17, 2006 10:46 PM

ryoga, There are real threats, but one should use some discretion before jumping on every news report and hyping it beyond reason.

So right.
It just seems very strange so soon after the recent terror bust to be carrying such obvious items. Do you think it is a muslim trick? Then they can say, look! They thought she was a terrorist, but no she/we are not terrorists. We come in peace. Have they taken fauxtography to the next level? Fauxbomb.

Posted by: tgusa at August 17, 2006 10:50 PM

stars,

"ISLAMIC EXTREMISM IS A DIRECT RESPONSE TO THE POLITICAL MILITARY INTERFERENCE OF THE WEST.
9/11 HAPPEND BECAUSE OF AMERICAN TROOPS BEING STATIONED IN SAUDI. BRITAIN IS NOW A TARGET BECAUSE OF THE TERRORIST INVASION OF IRAQ.
ITS NOT BECAUSE WE HATE YOUR WAY OF LIFE, YOU MIGHT FIND THIS HARD TO BELIEVE BUT, WE DO NOT ENVY THE FACT THAT YOUR WOMEN CANT WALK THE STREETS WITHOUT BEING RAPED, WE DONOT HATE THE FACT THAT WE CANNOT LEAVE OUR HOMES AND GET ROBBED, WE ARE NOT JEALOOUSE THAT OUR CHILDREN ARE NOT DRUG ADDICTS, WE DON NOT WISH WE INVENTED THE BIG MAC,"

A MUCH NEEDED CORRECTION is in order.

September 11th, 2001 happened because of the actions of 19 ISLAMOFACISTS JIHADIS who were simply carrying out the COMMANDS of JIHAD from your playbook, the koran, which gives up to 164 commands of jihad. What they did was simply islam in its purest, violent form. Frankly you cannot admit that the islamic east can never ever hold a candle to the much more sucessful and advanced west because the former lives in the backwardness of the 7th century while the latter lives to the fullest in the 21st century. As far as for us western women, we are treated with the full respect we deserve then women in the muslim world who are so oppressed and it is proven by the burkas they wear. Also the oppression and crime in the muslim world is much more bad if not worse. Other then for OIL, what other invention came from the muslim world? Give me a break!!!!

Last, from this western female, I say to you, troll, SHUT UP!!!!

Posted by: bigcatgirl13106 at August 17, 2006 10:52 PM

stars,

"ISLAMIC EXTREMISM IS A DIRECT RESPONSE TO THE POLITICAL MILITARY INTERFERENCE OF THE WEST.
9/11 HAPPEND BECAUSE OF AMERICAN TROOPS BEING STATIONED IN SAUDI. BRITAIN IS NOW A TARGET BECAUSE OF THE TERRORIST INVASION OF IRAQ.
ITS NOT BECAUSE WE HATE YOUR WAY OF LIFE, YOU MIGHT FIND THIS HARD TO BELIEVE BUT, WE DO NOT ENVY THE FACT THAT YOUR WOMEN CANT WALK THE STREETS WITHOUT BEING RAPED, WE DONOT HATE THE FACT THAT WE CANNOT LEAVE OUR HOMES AND GET ROBBED, WE ARE NOT JEALOOUSE THAT OUR CHILDREN ARE NOT DRUG ADDICTS, WE DON NOT WISH WE INVENTED THE BIG MAC,"

A MUCH NEEDED CORRECTION is in order.

September 11th, 2001 happened because of the actions of 19 ISLAMOFACISTS JIHADIS who were simply carrying out the COMMANDS of JIHAD from your playbook, the koran, which gives up to 164 commands of jihad. What they did was simply islam in its purest, violent form. Frankly you cannot admit that the islamic east can never ever hold a candle to the much more sucessful and advanced west because the former lives in the backwardness of the 7th century while the latter lives to the fullest in the 21st century. As far as for us western women, we are treated with the full respect we deserve then women in the muslim world who are so oppressed and it is proven by the burkas they wear. Also the oppression and crime in the muslim world is much more bad if not worse. Other then for OIL, what other invention came from the muslim world? Give me a break!!!!

Last, from this western female, I say to you, troll, SHUT UP!!!!

Posted by: bigcatgirl13106 at August 17, 2006 10:52 PM

Stars, we do not envy the fact that muslim women are treated worse than dogs are in most civilized countries. We do not envy your women being beaten for not wearing a burkah or if it is not the "proper" kind. We do not envy the fact that despite 1400 years of history islam has contributed nothing of value to the world. We are not jealous of the fact that your great leader, ayatollah khomeini, said that it is ok to have sex with young boys and animals. We do not call mohammed a prophet because there is no prophecy in your koran. We do not envy mohammed being a pedophile, having raped Aiesha when she was 9. We do not envy your way of life with suicide bombers, "honor" killings, slavery, your general disregard of human life. We are not jealous that every single muslim nation is a third world country, full of ignorance, poverty and disease, when there are many that could rival the Western nations if not for being held back by your twisted cult that pretends to be a religion. We do not envy you worshipping a black rock. We do not envy your ignorance and arrogance. We do not envy that every other word out of your mouth is a lie or deception. In short, you have nothing to be proud of, least of all that stunt you pulled here. Stay in the backward 7th century world of islam, where you will feel safe, where you and those like you can feel like a man, where you can pretend to be brave and important. But we know the truth.

Posted by: Bohemond_1069 at August 17, 2006 10:52 PM

"ISLAMIC EXTREMISM IS A DIRECT RESPONSE TO THE POLITICAL MILITARY INTERFERENCE OF THE WEST.
9/11 HAPPEND BECAUSE OF AMERICAN TROOPS BEING STATIONED IN SAUDI"

Stars:

You're full of B.S. about all of this! (I apologize to everyone else on this sight for my needless and inexcusable politeness).

For your information, Stars,there are countless groups around the world, practically in every nation and continent, who have or have had, in the past, grievances of one sort or another, some FAR WORSE! than those of the Middle East or the Islamic world, but I can't think of a single one - NOT ONE! - ever! in history! that has produced the kind of ongoing, sustained, persistent, global campaign of DELIBERATE terror (NOT part of military conflict!) against innocent civilians, that is rampaging everywhere in the name of Islam. WHY?!!! Is it because Islam is "a religion of peace"?

The Islamic world has a lot to answer for; not only for this terrorism, but for CENTURIES of oppression of Jews, Christians, Zoroastrians, Buddhists, Hindus and God knows how many more that I've overlooked here, including its ongoing military attacks on Europe throughout the 8th and 9th centuries. And your (Islamic) society has the audacity to criticize us for the crusades and even demand apologies of us?!. IT IS THE UMMAH THAT SHOULD BE APOLOGIZING TO US!!!

I'm going to provide you here, Stars, an example of the kind of thing that would almost be unheard of in the superior society know as the Ummah. Pay attention:

People, fellow writers on this site: I sympathize and understand your rage and indignation given today's climate of terror caused by the Ummah. But, please let's not forget our values (though indeed they're a mark of inferiority in the eyes of Stars). Let's wait til we know the facts about this after all the tests have been completed and the like before we pronounce judgement. There are still several other possibilities here that haven't yet been ruled out:

1. It may turn out to be something benign like a cosmetic product.

2. This woman may not speak English and may have been unaware of the current bans.

3. She may even be a Pakistani Christian woman, seeking refuge from the bigotted oppression of Star's superior society (since NUMEROUS Christians have to flee Pakistan out of fear for their lives).

The justice system of this corrupt, decadent western society will protect this woman, Stars, and ensure that she's treated humanely and her rights as a human being respected, even if she's convicted of a major crime against it. I can imagine, Stars, a woman being beaten to death (!) by an enraged mob in parts of the Ummah for allowing a bit of her hair to fall out from under her hijab, never mind carrying something that might, we have good reason to think, be something that could blow up an airliner and kill hundreds of innocent people!

THINK ABOUT IT!

Posted by: templar at August 17, 2006 10:53 PM

Stars said :
"WE DO NOT ENVY THE FACT THAT YOUR WOMEN CANT WALK THE STREETS WITHOUT BEING RAPED,"

Seems to me that Muslims are the ones doing the the raping.

http://frontpagemag.com/Articles/ReadArticle.asp?ID=20535

Plus they do it in Muslim countries, not just the west. Kill the rape victim, give the man lashes. That is one messed up culture.

http://web.amnesty.org/wire/October2004/Iran
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/5217424.stm

I suspect that there is more rape in Muslim countries, but due to "honor killing", it's not made public.

I'm surprised that you didn't mention homosexuality in the west. But anal sex between men is very prevalent among Arab Muslims and other parts of the middle east.

Stars displayed ignorance by stating :
"WE DONOT HATE THE FACT THAT WE CANNOT LEAVE OUR HOMES AND GET ROBBED"

You might to check in some African countries where Islamic militias roam around killing and robbing.

Stars also gave the following propaganda : "BRITAIN IS NOW A TARGET BECAUSE OF THE TERRORIST INVASION OF IRAQ."

Britain is a target because the Muslims are simply obeying the Koran and Hadith's instructions to kill and subdue the world for Mohammad and his alter ego, allah.

Stop blaming others for your religion's faults. Islam is bloodthirty to the core.

Posted by: non-redneck at August 17, 2006 10:54 PM

I guess the reason Stars could not invent the bigmac was it was too complicated .

Posted by: old-dude at August 17, 2006 11:00 PM

Wow. So many passionate responses. This gives hope for America and the world.

Posted by: Desi at August 17, 2006 11:04 PM

The Northumbrian,
Wouldn't "Aisha_9" be more appropriate? Aisha was 6 when Mohammed married her, but Mohammed didn't have sex with Aisha until she was 9.

Marrying young was commonplace (I think) in the ancient world (i.e. betrothed at birth or childhood), though I think they waited until at least puberty to consummate the marriage. For Mohammed to have sex with a pre-pubescent girl is sick, regardless of what time period you live in.

http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/fundamentals/hadithsunnah/bukhari/062.sbt.html

Volume 7, Book 62, Number 64:
Narrated 'Aisha:

that the Prophet married her when she was six years old and he consummated his marriage when she was nine years old, and then she remained with him for nine years (i.e., till his death).

Volume 7, Book 62, Number 65:
Narrated 'Aisha:

that the Prophet married her when she was six years old and he consummated his marriage when she was nine years old. Hisham said: I have been informed that 'Aisha remained with the Prophet for nine years (i.e. till his death)." what you know of the Quran (by heart)'

Posted by: non-redneck at August 17, 2006 11:05 PM

The Northumbrian,
Wouldn't "Aisha_9" be more appropriate? Aisha was 6 when Mohammed married her, but Mohammed didn't have sex with Aisha until she was 9.

Marrying young was commonplace (I think) in the ancient world (i.e. betrothed at birth or childhood), though I think they waited until at least puberty to consummate the marriage. For Mohammed to have sex with a pre-pubescent girl is sick, regardless of what time period you live in.

http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/fundamentals/hadithsunnah/bukhari/062.sbt.html

Volume 7, Book 62, Number 64:
Narrated 'Aisha:

that the Prophet married her when she was six years old and he consummated his marriage when she was nine years old, and then she remained with him for nine years (i.e., till his death).

Volume 7, Book 62, Number 65:
Narrated 'Aisha:

that the Prophet married her when she was six years old and he consummated his marriage when she was nine years old. Hisham said: I have been informed that 'Aisha remained with the Prophet for nine years (i.e. till his death)." what you know of the Quran (by heart)'

Posted by: non-redneck at August 17, 2006 11:10 PM

I guess the reason Stars could not invent the bigmac was it was too complicated .

I agree.Stars needs to learn the meat goes between the buns,not in the goat.

Posted by: 72_goats at August 17, 2006 11:11 PM

stars is glad muslims didn't invent the Big Mac...or anything else.

Posted by: Carolyn2 at August 17, 2006 11:18 PM

The reports I've read say the dogs made a B-line for the woman first. That is what tipped the inspectors off.
I doubt they have been able to train the dogs to racially profile.
All of this is too much of a coincidence.

Posted by: girllyzilla at August 17, 2006 11:18 PM

Let me just recapitulate, Stars, the scientifically important people of the last two-thousand years - well, the highlights, perhaps, as the full list would take for ever.

Let us start with Euclid, then Archimedes and move onto Ptolemy, Galen and Diophantus. Let us mention Gutenberg, Copernicus (good old copper knickers) and Galileo; Janssen, Lippershey and Keppler; Napier, Drebbel and Harvey; Pascal, Torricelli and von Guericke; Boyle, Newton and Brand; Roemer, Hurgens and Halley; Newcomen, Fahrenheit and Linnaeus; Cronstedt, Hargreaves and Watt; Spallanzani, Cavendish and Lavoisier ... are you getting the idea yet: Lavoisier takes us to 1772AD and still no mention of a single moslem name. Just on what I remember from my schooldays I would have to give you another two-hundred names, all western - not a moslem amongst them - just to bring us up to the present day (and what great names they were and are; both the Rutherfords, for example, Daniel who discovered nitrogen in 1772 and Ernest in 1919 who solved one of the major problems with the then model of the atomic nucleus; and what about James Clerk Maxwell on electromagnetism or Gustav Kirchoff on the absorption and emission of energy).

Stop me, stop me, or I'll just go on and on listing our huge achievements until I've given you all the names and bored everybody here into a stupor.

But do you care? No, of course you don't. You are so profoundly ignorant that all you can see is the rabid certainties of a psuedo-epilectic madman who lived fourteen-hundred years ago and whose only contribution to human experience has been the religious validation of murder. Try to open your mind for just one brief moment and place that alongside the achievements of western art, science and culture. Perhaps then you might see that despite all the imperfections of the west your mohammedanism is nothing more than useless dross, a mere chimera of decency, a thing of no worth and of no benefit to human kind.

Believe me, Stars, I pity you and I feel sorry for you from the bottom of my soul. Whilst the rest of us reach for the stars you are content to remain in the gutter - face down.

Dominic.

Posted by: necessitasnonhabetlegem at August 17, 2006 11:23 PM

I knew dogs who racially profiled.

I'm just saying.

Posted by: ryoga at August 17, 2006 11:23 PM

WE ARE NOT JEALOOUSE THAT OUR CHILDREN ARE NOT DRUG ADDICTS

Jihad 101; first lesson; spelling.

One a more sobering note, the link below is from a fourteen year old Iraqi girl. Its three parts sad and one part informative.

http://olivebranchoptimism.net/2006/08/17/our-portion-of-guilt/#more-152

Posted by: limes at August 17, 2006 11:23 PM

Let me just recapitulate, Stars, the scientifically important people of the last two-thousand years - well, the highlights, perhaps, as the full list would take for ever.

Let us start with Euclid, then Archimedes and move onto Ptolemy, Galen and Diophantus. Let us mention Gutenberg, Copernicus (good old copper knickers) and Galileo; Janssen, Lippershey and Keppler; Napier, Drebbel and Harvey; Pascal, Torricelli and von Guericke; Boyle, Newton and Brand; Roemer, Hurgens and Halley; Newcomen, Fahrenheit and Linnaeus; Cronstedt, Hargreaves and Watt; Spallanzani, Cavendish and Lavoisier ... are you getting the idea yet: Lavoisier takes us to 1772AD and still no mention of a single moslem name. Just on what I remember from my schooldays I would have to give you another two-hundred names, all western - not a moslem amongst them - just to bring us up to the present day (and what great names they were and are; both the Rutherfords, for example, Daniel who discovered nitrogen in 1772 and Ernest in 1919 who solved one of the major problems with the then model of the atomic nucleus; and what about James Clerk Maxwell on electromagnetism or Gustav Kirchoff on the absorption and emission of energy).

Stop me, stop me, or I'll just go on and on listing our huge achievements until I've given you all the names and bored everybody here into a stupor.

But do you care? No, of course you don't. You are so profoundly ignorant that all you can see is the rabid certainties of a psuedo-epilectic madman who lived fourteen-hundred years ago and whose only contribution to human experience has been the religious validation of murder. Try to open your mind for just one brief moment and place that alongside the achievements of western art, science and culture. Perhaps then you might see that despite all the imperfections of the west your mohammedanism is nothing more than useless dross, a mere chimera of decency, a thing of no worth and of no benefit to human kind.

Believe me, Stars, I pity you and I feel sorry for you from the bottom of my soul. Whilst the rest of us reach for the stars you are content to remain in the gutter - face down.

Dominic.

Posted by: necessitasnonhabetlegem at August 17, 2006 11:25 PM

WE ARE NOT JEALOOUSE THAT OUR CHILDREN ARE NOT DRUG ADDICTS,

Jihad 101; First Lesson; Spelling.

On a more sobering note, the link below is a diary of a fourteen year old girl in Iraq. It's three parts sad and one part Hugesque.

http://olivebranchoptimism.net/2006/08/17/our-portion-of-guilt/#more-152

Posted by: limes at August 17, 2006 11:32 PM

tgusa, I posted a reply, but it's being inspected for trollishness.

I think too many people here are doing exactly what star wanted. Many are rasslin' the pig. He is uneducatable people, and enjoys seeing you respond to his provacation. He has highjacked the comments. But, on the other hand, many of the replies are good, just misplaced.

Posted by: ryoga at August 17, 2006 11:40 PM

limes/

G'd evenin'. Enjoyed your posts yesterday.

Hugesque!

Aaaaaargh!

(Sounds of running footsteps then a slo-mo shot of me taking a mad leap for safety behind a huge pile of OEDs and Websters. 'Hugesque' as in, no doubt, Hardyesque or Dickenesque.)

Like C.L. Wren I do not wish "to pronounce judgement or to prophesy" on the future of English but 'Hugesque' just sticks in craw. Ugly. Fun, I'll grant you, but ugly.

Dominic.

Posted by: necessitasnonhabetlegem at August 17, 2006 11:56 PM

stars, I've had my boots on the ground in several crapistans in my time & I've gotta tell you, I've seen acres of marijuanna and opium poppies being grown and used by your fellow muslims. muslim men folk just can't get enough of little boys either. Shoot, we used to refer to Tuesday in Kandahar as "man-boy love Tuesday"... What is it with you muslims and pedophilia??? Don't preach to us, many of us have actualy BEEN in your part of the world and seen how depraved you islamic half wits are... Oh yeah, you might want to quit breeding with your cousins, it leads to genetic disasters...

Posted by: Armalite at August 18, 2006 12:00 AM

"I always concede Muslims the zero, even though I'm aware they have no credible claim. They have to have something, you know"

Posted by: Haid Dasalami

Good one!

Posted by: templar at August 18, 2006 12:04 AM

Armalite,dont remember if i ever told you before,even if i did,you deserve it....Thank you for youe service.

Posted by: Patriot8 at August 18, 2006 12:04 AM

'your

Posted by: Patriot8 at August 18, 2006 12:07 AM

Armalite, nice guns.
Thanks for your service.

Posted by: Carolyn2 at August 18, 2006 12:11 AM

"youe" is kind-a catchy!

Ok -- anyone know how many times 'stars' posted his comment? That's what I get for tuning into JW late in the day, I missed all the excitement.

Posted by: champ at August 18, 2006 12:13 AM

I just recently began reading the comments on this site, after seeing a link to it from michelle malkin and I just wanted to say how great it is to finally read some sane comments from other people who are thinking what I and my family are talking about, regarding the crazy state of things with these crazy muslims and their 7th century barbarism. I look foward to commenting further after I get the hang of this. Thanks for listening.

Posted by: p8triot at August 18, 2006 12:15 AM

p8triot,

pull up a chair,and welcome.

Posted by: Patriot8 at August 18, 2006 12:20 AM

Oh God -- I may get you confused with Patriot8, but I'll do my best to keep you two straight.

Posted by: champ at August 18, 2006 12:20 AM

lol,kinda confused me at first,too.

Posted by: Patriot8 at August 18, 2006 12:22 AM

I just read Armalite's comment and he is so right. I've researched the instances of muslim men and them having a "thing" for boys, and it is so true. How come NO ONE ever does a story on this?? If not on TV , then on talk radio.. I think more Americans need to know about this dirty little Muslim secret. The only time I ever heard it mentioned on TV was by Dick Cavett on the Jimmy Kimmel show and everyone just looked at him, they had NO idea what he was talking about, but I was at home cheering him on for having the good sense to speak out on national tv regarding this.

Posted by: p8triot at August 18, 2006 12:26 AM

OT,did anybody hear about the lebonese troops haveing tea with Isreali troops dureing the war?

http://www.cnn.com/2006/WORLD/meast/08/17/mideast.main/index.html

read the story in the vid it shows them asking eachother who they should breif about it,the Isreali says they breifed bush,the lebonese troop says they need to breif bush about it.I'll look for the vid.

Posted by: Patriot8 at August 18, 2006 12:42 AM

OT,did anybody hear about the lebonese troops haveing tea with Isreali troops dureing the war?

http://www.cnn.com/2006/WORLD/meast/08/17/mideast.main/index.html

read the story in the vid it shows them asking eachother who they should breif about it,the Isreali says they breifed bush,the lebonese troop says they need to breif bush about it.I'll look for the vid.O,duh,the vid is with the story

Posted by: Patriot8 at August 18, 2006 12:42 AM

People such as this "stars" will always need a scapegoat. They do truly believe that if Western foreign policy was the polar opposite of what it has been the last quarter century, things would just be hunky-dory. The truly scary(and humorous)reality is that this viewpoint ignores the tenets of their own islamic faith as laid down in the koran, hadiths.

On a personal note, in reference to the statement regarding drug abuse by our children, I had the recent pleasure of taking $240 off a guy who claimed he was JORDANIAN in 8-ball pool. Would you believe he asked if I smoked kind-bud(pot) and if so, could he pay me via that currency! I just laughed at him, but how ironic is that given attitudes such as those of our latest troll?

Posted by: We need G.C. Scott at August 18, 2006 1:02 AM

Very strange, never caught that on CNN before, don't know what to make of it. I was told by someone who lived in the Middle East that the people there for the most part, are very lazy. Maybe thats why the Iraqi's don't seem to be taking the initiative to rebuild and protect their own country.?

Posted by: p8triot at August 18, 2006 1:03 AM

Given the lust for atomic weapons in the islamic world, I believe we should satisfy them with some of our biggest and best examples: "Hello Ayattollah? Your warheads will be arriving in about 90 seconds. Duck and cover now, and have a nice day!"
But seriously folks, I really don't believe that any of us will enjoy peace again until all the muzzies have gone to allah. Some of them are actively at war with us, the rest are waiting for orders. Believe me, I hate to say it, but I just can't see any other way out. They're like pedophiles - UNCURABLE!!!

Posted by: wasicu at August 18, 2006 1:19 AM

Champ, he posted the same rant once for every virgin awaiting him.

Posted by: August22 at August 18, 2006 1:20 AM

LOL -- no doubt!!

Posted by: champ at August 18, 2006 2:03 AM

"he posted the same rant once for every virgin awaiting him.

Posted by: August22

Don't worry, we'll get the last laugh. It isn't virgins he's going to get - just a handful of raisins.

Turns out that the Koran as we've known it throughout most of Islamic history is very likely a mangled translation and expansion (incorporating a number of inorganic and illegitimate additions) of an ancient Christian document written (probably in the fourth century) in Syriac as an instruction to Arab tribesmen that East Syrian Christians were in missionary contact with. From this mistranslation, we get absurd mistakes like the well-known "virgins" coming from what the Syriac had as "raisins" (or "white grapes"), a delicacy in the ancient Middle East and a symbol of such qualities as clarity of insight and purity, as well as a figure of the Last Supper and an image of the banquet in the kingdom of heaven; more than that, the instruction to wear the hijab (veil) arises from a misunderstanding of a verse that actually meant "They should tie their belts around their wastes" (the belt is one of numerous Christian symbols for chastity).

These are the findings of one "Chrisoph Luxenburg" (a pseudonym), a professor of ancient languages who used Syriac as the basis for translation of the more mysterious and opaque passages of the Koran, since that language is closely related to early and classical Arabic, and Arabic had no written form at the time of Mohammed. His findings place this proto-Koran in the category of early Christian writings most closely associated with works such as St. Ephrem the Syrian's "Hymns of Paradise".

Based on other reading I've done on this topic, Mohammed's initial inspiration had a lot more to do with a relationship to Messianic Judaism as the force prompting a movement among the Arab tribesmen to recover a place alongside the Jews they were living near in the search for a reconciliation between the "children of Ishmael" and the "children of Isaac", but the Arab jurists and theologians who translated it (considerably later) changed its early character to make it into the basis of an entirely new religion designed to serve as a vehicle for Arab nationalism and expansionism.

Think of it. The whole basis of their "religion" a monumental screw-up, including its vision of the afterlife.

What I wouldn't do to behold the scene before the throne of Allah when the promise for their faithfulness is fulfilled, and each of the "noble martyrs" receives his handful of raisins.

Posted by: templar at August 18, 2006 2:29 AM

Assalamau Laikum all,

1069 says "What's Naseem doing in West Virginia?"

1069, You cheeky descendent of an ape!

I read that woman was pregenant...with Anwer ill for over an year ...how was I gonna get that way.

I read this morning...in fact that the substances are perfectly harmless....will there be any remose (let alone apology) fro any of the postees here!

I won't hold my breath for long!

Posted by: Naseem at August 18, 2006 3:31 AM

As usual CAIR had Mr.Hooper on CNN prattling on like some mindless chimp , he continued to go off topic and repeated his standard line about Racism for profiling Muslims at Airports and Border crossings.

He also changed the subject when a comment about CAIR's ties to Hamas and supporting terrorist groups , CAIR's own website had two videos where Hooper defended Islam and Muhammad
but soon after they became comical because of his irate spewing of hatred and shouting down the person asking questions the two videos were pulled from the site.

I can assure you that if red-headed midgets were blowing up Mosques as suicde bombers Hooper would insist on Profiling every red-headed midget .

Posted by: ala-sux at August 18, 2006 3:42 AM

As usual CAIR had Mr.Hooper on CNN prattling on like some mindless chimp , he continued to go off topic and repeated his standard line about Racism for profiling Muslims at Airports and Border crossings.

He also changed the subject when a comment about CAIR's ties to Hamas and supporting terrorist groups , CAIR's own website had two videos where Hooper defended Islam and Muhammad
but soon after they became comical because of his irate spewing of hatred and shouting down the person asking questions the two videos were pulled from the site.

I can assure you that if red-headed midgets were blowing up Mosques as suicde bombers Hooper would insist on Profiling every red-headed midget .

Posted by: ala-sux at August 18, 2006 3:43 AM

STAR;

Myth: ISLAMIC EXTREMISM IS A DIRECT RESPONSE TO THE POLITICAL MILITARY INTERFERENCE OF THE WEST.

Reality: The middle east is so technologically backward(except israel); the only thing that saved your economy was oil and investment from multinationals. Is this interference? I think not. Is your country is capable of even producing a crude drilling tool to dig for oil? No. Because of this backwardness, you have to rely on other countries. Obviously, you can expect military presence to protect expensive investments in your rural country.

9/11 HAPPEND BECAUSE OF AMERICAN TROOPS BEING STATIONED IN SAUDI.
Was the Arab king too preoccupied with his wives?
Is he incapable of negotiating or requesting for the reduction of American troops in your soil?

BRITAIN IS NOW A TARGET BECAUSE OF THE TERRORIST INVASION OF IRAQ.
I firmly believe that the invasion on iraq was uneccassary. But, no you can't call it terrorism.

Myth: ITS NOT BECAUSE WE HATE YOUR WAY OF LIFE, YOU MIGHT FIND THIS HARD TO BELIEVE BUT, WE DO NOT ENVY THE FACT THAT YOUR WOMEN CANT WALK THE STREETS WITHOUT BEING RAPED, WE DONOT HATE THE FACT THAT WE CANNOT LEAVE OUR HOMES AND GET ROBBED, WE ARE NOT JEALOOUSE THAT OUR CHILDREN ARE NOT DRUG ADDICTS, WE DON NOT WISH WE INVENTED THE BIG MAC

Reality: Are you trying to imply that your religion respects women? Women are treated like shit in your society, women in pakistan who get raped do not get justice. Afghanistan is the world's biggest producer of opium. Ohh, and having a big mac is better than slaughtering goats at home for lunch.

Posted by: thermalpaste at August 18, 2006 4:08 AM

I would of made her drink it. I would of said so its a drink okay prove it.

Posted by: pissedoffcanadian at August 18, 2006 4:16 AM

Hey, the ACLU is only trying to protect the God-given right of terrorists to plot and plan in the peaceful serenity of their home without pesky government interference. Everyone has the right to not be subjected to unreasonable search and siezure, right?

It's not reasonable to think that two Jihadi mf's are sittng on their cell phones, chatting about how they are going to pull off the next 9/11 or 8/22 or whatever.

This is insane! The terrorists are high fiving and toasting goat's blood right about now. Driving around Dearborn Walmarts to stock up on extra cell phones.

So the ACLU calls on another Carter appointee to save the day for our enemies. Mission accomplished.

It sickens me to my core what these libs are doing to our nation! They won't stop till they cripple our ability to win this war.

Posted by: d'infidel at August 18, 2006 5:33 AM

Nobody's going to tell Naz that if mahommedan savages weren't trying to blow up airplanes maybe the poor Paki battleaxe might not have been inconvenienced?

By all means, Naz, hold your breath waiting for our remorse. How dare we not want to get killed by one of you mindless barbarians?

Just make sure you don't crack your skull when you hit the floor after passing out from oxygen deprivation.

Posted by: Eisenhund at August 18, 2006 6:27 AM

naseem are you grinding an axe ?

Posted by: arjun.sevak at August 18, 2006 6:38 AM

tgusa, apparently my last response was refused, so I'll try again. Without additional info, which we will probably never get, we cannot know what, if anything this women was up to. Your speculation that she is a tester could well be right. But it is also possible she was simply unlucky. Maybe she stopped for a hot-dog on the way to the airline.

From the follow-up article :"The trace analyzers detect minute amounts of explosive material. But they can also give positive readings on items that have come in contact with fertilizer, recently dry-cleaned clothes, and even hot dogs -- anything with nitrate compounds. "

We are coming to the time when terrorists will realize that they can cause almost as many problems with false reports of terror (shutting down airports, lost money and time, scare the easily scared, ect. ect.) The next terrorist plan will be to smear innocent non-muslims with substances designed to set off sniffers, causing chaos.

Lastly, my only problem with Hugh is his choice of highlighting this article with a headline (Pakistani woman with explosives in drink bottles arrested at West Virginia airport) that totally ignores the tentative nature of the report and the need for confirming tests. Many of the posters seemed oblivious to the fact that Hugh's headline was not the whole story.

Posted by: ryoga at August 18, 2006 8:51 AM

Thanks to NEAL BOORTZ for this gem.

LETTING THE FOX INTO THE HENHOUSE

This is so outrageous it's almost not believable. Back in June, the Department of Homeland Security took CAIR...the Council on American-Islamic Relations. No, your eyes do not deceive you. That's exactly what they did.

So what did the CAIR folks get to see on their tour? It was a terrorist's dream. They got to see screening procedures, interview rooms and a rundown on the passenger lookout system. The people conducting the tour, always desperate for the politically correct approval of the enemy, assured CAIR that Muslims weren't singled out for special screening. We're sure our friends at Al-Qaeda headquarters are pleased.

So who is CAIR and why should we be concerned? CAIR is an offshoot of the Islamic Association for Palestine, a front group for Hamas. A number of people in CAIR management have been convicted on terrorism charges. That explains why CAIR gives no more than lip service to any condemnation of terrorism. But hey.....they sure are happy that airport screeners at O'Hare undergo Muslim sensitivity training.

All of this further supports the assertion that airport security is a joke and we're sitting ducks for another attack. We know who the enemy is, yet we refuse to do anything about it, for fear of offending anyone. And that's why 3,000 people died on 9/11. We will let it happen again? It sure seems like it.

Posted by: exsgtbrown at August 18, 2006 8:53 AM

I read about this and promptly went to CNN to see their take on it, and sure enough, they omitted one significant word: "Pakistani."

How interesting. The Crescent News Network strikes again...

Posted by: Know Your Enemy at August 18, 2006 9:18 AM

Star,

For your information the only time my home has ever been robbed was when I lived in Ahvaz, Iran. However, I quess you wouldn't count that since I am an infidel Christian American and was fair game by Islamic law.

LABaker

Posted by: LAB at August 18, 2006 10:31 AM

Star,

For your information the only time my home has ever been robbed was when I lived in Ahvaz, Iran. However, I quess you wouldn't count that since I am an infidel Christian American and was fair game by Islamic law.

LAB

Posted by: LAB at August 18, 2006 10:31 AM

I don't recommend testing security at the airports. The FBI tends to frown on such things. But, like I said, fake terror alerts that use Muslims are helpful to throw off the scent from real muslim terrorists, cause great consternation and help test our defenses. Fake terror alerts that use unknowing non-muslims also throw off the scent from real muslim terrorists, cause great consternation and help test our defenses. We will need to think outside the box if we want to stop terrorists.

As for the trolls, they want to stop the free exchange of ideas, which they accomplish by making everything about them.

Posted by: ryoga at August 18, 2006 11:26 AM

ryoga,
I am not much interested in what they frown on. The Fumbling Bumbling Incompetents have failed all of us and I do not trust them. I am concerned about my family, my fellow patriots and my beloved country. They had their chance to do their duty and failed and they continue to put us all in extreme danger. With friends like this, who needs enemies?
Besides, I am not so stupid that I would even go to an Airport. Not until they get their heads out of their rears. Funny, we never had to worry about passengers exploding planes until we let the muslims in.

Posted by: tgusa at August 18, 2006 11:55 AM

"Muslims - If they devoted even half of the energy that they expend on enforcing political correctness in America..."

Muslims don't have to lift one little finger to make sure political correctness is enforced in America: millions of non-Muslim Americans are doing all the heavy lifting for them. Americans, and Westerners in general, have been ensuring political correctness for decades now.

PC Multiculturalism -- as a dominant template by which to interpret & judge (to the detriment of the West, of course) all geopolitical and cross-cultural data -- has over the past 50-odd years become solidly and deeply entrenched in our sociopolitical culture.

Muslims don't have to lift a little finger to strengthen political correctness. We do that for them.

Posted by: Television at August 18, 2006 11:56 AM

i'm sure you probably heard about the "insane" woman who "allegedly" snuck a screwdriver past airport screeners in London last week. Her flight was diverted to Logan Airport and it was quickly swept under the rug.

First off, here's the story of what actually happened. She DID have a screwdriver and did incinuate that she was with al Qaeda and had the components of a bomb, all the while making comments about United 93. She also said she was a "reporter" - a fact that hasn't been examined by the media:

http://www.washtimes.com/national/20060817-111533-1828r.htm

Her lawyer insists she's insane. Not quite. She actually IS a reporter (in Pakistan, no less). She was apparently trying to get the plane diverted. Check this out (note the author's name... same woman):

http://www.dailytimes.com.pk/default.asp?page=story_10-6-2003_pg3_6

So if she's actually a reporter, then it's more than likely that everything else was a ruse to make her look insane when tried in court. To me, it seems this whole thing was a premeditated act to interfere with a trans-Atlantic flight for the purpose of disrupting air traffic and "reporting" on how easily it was done.

And of course the MSM has dismissed her as an insane claustrophobic passenger who had a meltdown at 30,000 feet. Give me a break.

Posted by: lennysquiggy at August 18, 2006 12:26 PM

i'm sure you probably heard about the "insane" woman who "allegedly" snuck a screwdriver past airport screeners in London last week. Her flight was diverted to Logan Airport and it was quickly swept under the rug.

First off, here's the story of what actually happened. She DID have a screwdriver and did incinuate that she was with al Qaeda and had the components of a bomb, all the while making comments about United 93. She also said she was a "reporter" - a fact that hasn't been examined by the media:

http://www.washtimes.com/national/20060817-111533-1828r.htm

Her lawyer insists she's insane. Not quite. She actually IS a reporter (in Pakistan, no less). She was apparently trying to get the plane diverted. Check this out (note the author's name... same woman):

http://www.dailytimes.com.pk/default.asp?page=story_10-6-2003_pg3_6

So if she's actually a reporter, then it's more than likely that everything else was a ruse to make her look insane when tried in court. To me, it seems this whole thing was a premeditated act to interfere with a trans-Atlantic flight for the purpose of disrupting air traffic and "reporting" on how easily it was done.

And of course the MSM has dismissed her as an insane claustrophobic passenger who had a meltdown at 30,000 feet. Give me a break.

Posted by: lennysquiggy at August 18, 2006 12:27 PM

Naseem, you know it is haram to greet infidels with "Assalamau Laikum", shame on you. I jsut thought you would appreciate a little infidel humor this morning, old girl. FYI I am a creationist, not an evolutionist. I do not believe my descendants were apes. My bible tells me that God created mankind in His image and that as such we are all His children. I believe man fell from God's grace because he ate of the fruit of the tree in the gardern of Eden. Man did not fall out of a tree as Darwin proposed. In any event my dear, you'll get no apology from me. This could very well have been a test of our airport security systems. Leave it to you to fixate on a report that the woman is pregnant to try and change the subject. Maybe she ate one too many Big Mac's and just looks like she's pregnant. Regardless, that is an insignificant point. She was raised in this country, and there are ample warnings in every airport. She knows the prohibition against carrying liquids on a plane at this time.

Posted by: Bohemond_1069 at August 18, 2006 1:23 PM

Lennysquiggy, thanks for that. Before reading those articles, all I had heard was quick mention on NPR that a passenger had a "panick attack" causing the airplane to be deverted. Unbelievable the way this was swept under the rug by the MSM.

Posted by: Abu Allah at August 18, 2006 1:34 PM

oops, meant to say 'diverted.'

Posted by: Abu Allah at August 18, 2006 1:48 PM

Lennysquiggy, the article I saw (here) said that she was a "peace activist" living in the mountains of Pakistan for the past several months (according to her assumedly non-crazy son), where, according to her, she was staying with Al-Qaeda members [editor's note: Al-Qaeda is based in the mountains of Pakistan]. Maybe that part was crazy, maybe not. Maybe she's crazy in a Richard Reid, able-to-be-manipulated sort of way.

She was originally noticed because she was pressing on the airplane bulkhead, and then entering the bathroom over and over. She was talking about the 6 steps to build something. Maybe, unlike Richard Reid, she was too messed up to carry out her instructions. Plus, she had a screwdriver, bottle of water, several cigarette lighers, and a bottle of "gel", whatever that is. Crazy maybe, but able to sneak banned materials past security.

Just like that saying "Just because you're paranoid, it doesn't mean they're not out to get you", just because they're crazy it doesn't mean they are not a jihadist (or a jihadist's dupe). I don't know. And based on our media, we may never know. They're too busy focusing on the phoney-baloney Jon Benet-Ramsey suspect.

Posted by: special_guest at August 18, 2006 2:16 PM

will there be any remose (let alone apology) fro any of the postees here!

I won't hold my breath for long!

Posted by Naseem.

Naseem, there are no apologies necesary from anyone in this forum - except you and Stars. In fact, as I said in one of my earlier postings on this thread, its time we started hearing a whole lot of apologies from Muslims for a whole lot of things.

Either way, Naseem, check my last post to learn something new about the reward that you and your martyrs can expect.

Enjoy your raisins! Hope they're worth all the misery Islam inflicts on you!

Posted by: templar at August 18, 2006 2:26 PM

will there be any remose (let alone apology) fro any of the postees here!

I won't hold my breath for long!

Posted by Naseem.

Naseem, there are no apologies necesary from anyone in this forum - except you and Stars. In fact, as I said in one of my earlier postings on this thread, its time we started hearing a whole lot of apologies from Muslims for a whole lot of things.

Either way, Naseem, check my last post to learn something new about the reward that you and your martyrs can expect.

Enjoy your raisins! Hope they're worth all the misery Islam inflicts on your tortured mind!

Posted by: templar at August 18, 2006 2:35 PM

Lennysquiggy and Abu Allah, the article I saw (here) said that she was a "peace activist" living in the mountains of Pakistan for the past several months (according to her assumedly non-crazy son), where, according to her, she was staying with Al-Qaeda members [editor's note: Al-Qaeda is based in the mountains of Pakistan]. Maybe that part was crazy, maybe not. Maybe she's crazy in a Richard Reid, able-to-be-manipulated sort of way.

She was originally noticed because she was pressing on the airplane bulkhead, and then entering the bathroom over and over. She was talking about the 6 steps to build something. Maybe, unlike Richard Reid, she was too messed up to carry out her instructions. Plus, she had a screwdriver, bottle of water, several cigarette lighers, and a bottle of "gel", whatever that is. Crazy maybe, but able to sneak banned materials past security?

Just like that saying "Just because you're paranoid, it doesn't mean they're not out to get you": just because they're crazy it doesn't mean they are not a jihadist (or a jihadist's dupe). I don't know. And based on our media, we may never know. They're too busy focusing on the phoney-baloney Jon Benet-Ramsey suspect.

Posted by: special_guest at August 18, 2006 2:35 PM

will there be any remose (let alone apology) fro any of the postees here!

I won't hold my breath for long!

Posted by Naseem.

Naseem, there are no apologies necesary from anyone in this forum - except you and Stars. In fact, as I said in one of my earlier postings on this thread, its time we started hearing a whole lot of apologies from Muslims for a whole lot of things.

Either way, Naseem, check my last post to learn something new about the reward that you and your martyrs can expect.

Enjoy your raisins! Hope they're worth all the misery Islam inflicts on your tortured mind! I suspect though that you'll find they taste bitter.

Posted by: templar at August 18, 2006 2:38 PM

Lennysquiggy and Abu Allah, the article I saw (here) said that she was a "peace activist" living in the mountains of Pakistan for the past several months (according to her assumedly non-crazy son), where, according to her, she was staying with Al-Qaeda members [editor's note: Al-Qaeda is based in the mountains of Pakistan]. Maybe that part was crazy, maybe not. Maybe she's crazy in a Richard Reid, able-to-be-manipulated sort of way.

She was originally noticed because she was pressing on the airplane bulkhead, and then entering the bathroom over and over. She was talking about the 6 steps to build something. Maybe, unlike Richard Reid, she was too messed up to carry out her instructions. Plus, she had a screwdriver, bottle of water, several cigarette lighers, and a bottle of "gel", whatever that is. Crazy maybe, but able to sneak banned materials past security?

Just like that saying "Just because you're paranoid, it doesn't mean they're not out to get you": just because they're crazy it doesn't mean they are not a jihadist (or a jihadist's dupe). I don't know. And based on our media, we may never know. They're too busy focusing on the phoney-baloney Jon Benet-Ramsey suspect.

Posted by: special_guest at August 18, 2006 2:49 PM

If I may, some comic relief (see the last post of the first page):
http://www.faithfreedom.org/forum/viewtopic.php?t=16496

Posted by: ofcourse at August 18, 2006 4:23 PM

Some more links on Catherine Mayo:

An open letter to Senator Byrd: http://smirkingchimp.com/viewtopic.php?topic=22495&forum=7

And another article about her behavior on the plane. http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/ap/nation/4125662.html

I'm becoming convinced that this whole episode was premeditated. When you consider that her passport is probably full of trips to Pakistan, it's easy to imagine that someone else was likely helping her. There's no way she carried these items on board without help. Once she was caught, she shifted gears from "peace activist trying to subvert airport security" mode to full on psychosis to avoid having to pay for her actions in U.S. court.

Some questions I'd like to see answered:

-Who is paying for her to rent a farm in Vermont that she rarely lives in?
-How did she get those items on a plane so soon after the UK plot was foiled?
-Were other people involved in aiding her get those items on the plane? (ie, airport employees, etc.)
-Did the source of her rent money pay anyone to get those items on the plane?
-When was her flight booked (before or after the terror plot was foiled?)
-Are there additional articles that highlight her disdain for the Dept. of Homeland Security and are they going to be admissable in court?

Again, maybe this is nothing... but I find that hard to believe.

Posted by: lennysquiggy at August 18, 2006 4:55 PM

Some more links on Catherine Mayo:

An open letter to Senator Byrd: http://smirkingchimp.com/viewtopic.php?topic=22495&forum=7

And another article about her behavior on the plane. http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/ap/nation/4125662.html

I'm becoming convinced that this whole episode was premeditated. When you consider that her passport is probably full of trips to Pakistan, it's easy to imagine that someone else was likely helping her. There's no way she carried these items on board without help. Once she was caught, she shifted gears from "peace activist trying to subvert airport security" mode to full on psychosis to avoid having to pay for her actions in U.S. court.

Some questions I'd like to see answered:

-Who is paying for her to rent a farm in Vermont that she rarely lives in?
-How did she get those items on a plane so soon after the UK plot was foiled?
-Were other people involved in aiding her get those items on the plane? (ie, airport employees, etc.)
-Did the source of her rent money pay anyone to get those items on the plane?
-When was her flight booked (before or after the terror plot was foiled?)
-Are there additional articles that highlight her disdain for the Dept. of Homeland Security and are they going to be admissable in court?

Again, maybe this is nothing... but I find that hard to believe.

Posted by: lennysquiggy at August 18, 2006 4:55 PM

Some more links on Catherine Mayo:

An open letter to Senator Byrd: http://smirkingchimp.com/viewtopic.php?topic=22495&forum=7

And another article about her behavior on the plane. http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/ap/nation/4125662.html

I'm becoming convinced that this whole episode was premeditated. When you consider that her passport is probably full of trips to Pakistan, it's easy to imagine that someone else was likely helping her. There's no way she carried these items on board without help. Once she was caught, she shifted gears from "peace activist trying to subvert airport security" mode to full on psychosis to avoid having to pay for her actions in U.S. court.

Some questions I'd like to see answered:

-Who is paying for her to rent a farm in Vermont that she rarely lives in?
-How did she get those items on a plane so soon after the UK plot was foiled?
-Were other people involved in aiding her get those items on the plane? (ie, airport employees, etc.)
-Did the source of her rent money pay anyone to get those items on the plane?
-When was her flight booked (before or after the terror plot was foiled?)
-Are there additional articles that highlight her disdain for the Dept. of Homeland Security and are they going to be admissable in court?

Again, maybe this is nothing... but I find that hard to believe.

Posted by: lennysquiggy at August 18, 2006 4:55 PM

Just a thought but weren't the british muslim terrorists who were caught a few weeks ago planning on doing "dry runs" during the next few days before they were caught? Could this not also be some sort of dry run? Maybe the bottles did contain a miniscule amount (or something resmembling the chemical makeup) to test the security before the actual plot was enacted? Just a thought.

Posted by: fesick at August 18, 2006 7:12 PM

Bohemond_1069/

Your descendants could not possibly have been apes since your descendants are yet to born. I suspect that you mean your ancestors. That aside, according to the science of evolution you are not descended from apes, you merely share a common ancestor or two with the other primates on this planet - about 4.4 to 5.6 million years ago. Somewhen in that time-frame the early primates began to speciate at a furious rate and we modern humans are the result of one of those speciations. The great apes which are around today, and many other primates, are the result of other speciations some of which may have been later and from the line we come from. Further, we share far too many genes in common with many of the other primates for that to be merely serendipidous. Statistically speaking it is far more likely that we shared a common ancestor.

Further information is available at

http://www.allaboutscience.org/evolution-of-man.htm
(in a nice simple style)

and at

http://www.ecotao.com/holism/huevo/index.html

and at

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_evolution

Enjoy.

Dominic.

Posted by: necessitasnonhabetlegem at August 18, 2006 8:34 PM

Dominic, thank you. You are correct. I meant to say I am not descended from apes, or that my ancestors were not apes, though I concede the possibility that some of my ancestors may have swung from trees. That's what I get for typing too quickly when the wife is in a hurry to go shopping and not proofreading. Mea culpa. While there might be some genetic similaraties between species, as might be expected when all were created from the same molecular "building blocks", there is no interchangeability in the DNA. The DNA of each species is seperate and distinct from the others. Homology does not prove ancestry. I refer you to Dr. Colin Patterson's work on molecular homology and this link from another source: http://www.answersingenesis.org/creation/v19/i1/dna.asp

Posted by: Bohemond_1069 at August 19, 2006 1:21 AM

Bohemond_1069/

With the greatest of respect I have to say that what is said at the link that you provided is the most pure, unadulterated c**p that I have ever read on the subject. It displays a complete misunderstanding of the scientific method, the facts, the theory of best fit, statistics, mathematical probability, and, what is more, contradicts itself on several occasions.

I happen to be an evolutionist but even I could do better than that if I were to make an attempt at disproving evolution. As for there being no interchangeability in the DNA, of course there is. Scientists have been well aware of that for decades. Google 'interchageable DNA' and see what you get. Then consult all of the articles around, and leading up to (over the last thirty years) the following:

http://www.sciam.com/article.cfm?chanID=sa006&colID=1&articleID=0009FCA4-1A8F-1085-94F483414B7F0000

Remember, evolution doesn't deny God. It simply puts God somewhere else in the system, and God is big enough to be elsewhere in the system. It doesn't matter when/where/why God said "Fiat lux" for he must have known (will know, can know, has always known, will have can always known), by definition, where that one act would lead - to us, and beyond.

As you move back into the past - this skeleton but not that, this fossil but not that one - all you are doing is imposing arbitrary cut off points: everything is fine to one thousand years ago, to two thousand years ago, to twenty thousand years ago, to one hundred thousand years ago, to one million years ago, to two million years ago. Stop here, please, because this must be the moment that God intervened because there is a gap in the fossil record. Why stop at one point and not at another. Are we not allowed to apply our God-given human capacity for reasoning and if not why not? I'm allowed to apply it to electromagnetism, to astronomy, to medical science, to agronomy, to psychiatry, to engineering, to space engineering, to physics, to chemistry, to architecture, to materials science, to vulcanology, to seismology, to God alone knows how many other fields of human endeavour but magically, mysteriously, superstitiously I am not allowed to apply it to paleontology - to the fossil record and the science of evolution.

Give me a break here! Simple logic, the same logic which applies in every other field of human endeavour, leads one to assume that the fossil record is substantially a correct and true indicator of how life on Earth evolved. But it doesn't threaten God - it just make