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Soon it will be August 22 in Tehran. Do I really think something catastrophic will happen? I actually tend to think this is just more saber-rattling, but we'll see not too long from now. Certainly if nothing happens on August 22, something will soon enough.
From AP, with thanks to Uriel Septem:
VIENNA, Austria (AP) -- Iran has turned away U.N. inspectors wanting to examine its underground nuclear site in an apparent violation of the Nonproliferation Treaty, diplomats and U.N. officials said Monday.The officials, who spoke on condition of anonymity because of the confidentiality of the information, told The Associated Press that Iran's unprecedented refusal to allow access to the facility at Natanz could seriously hamper international efforts to ensure that Tehran is not trying to make nuclear weapons.
Posted by Robert at August 21, 2006 10:55 AM
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It does not take a rocket scientist to figure out that Iran is stalling for time and concealing their real intention for the future.
The world have best be prepared to counter attack immediately.
There will be no need for UN resolutions or negotiations for a ceasefire.
Civilian casualities will occur and there can be no whinning or stupid mainstream media crybabies complaining about the counterattack response.
Put the military on high alert NOW!!!
Posted by: exsgtbrown
at August 21, 2006 11:11 AM
I just posted the link below in another thread, but actually think it may be more fitting here (so, sorry to double-post).
I know all of the signs point to *something* happening tomorrow, August 22. I have been of the mind that Iran will attempt something monumentally stupid (like light up Jerusalem with the nuclear fire from tel Aviv). However, the picture painted in the below link offers a more muted (and less fatalistic) prognosis to the events that will unfold tomorrow.
I'd be interested to hear some of your analyses and thoughts:
http://inbrief.threatswatch.org/2006/08/exploitation-week-the-august-2/
Posted by: SENATOR
at August 21, 2006 11:14 AM
I think the article at threatswatch pretty much hits the button... while a small part of me still thinks something bigger could happen, i've become more decided that this is all sabre-rattling during the past couple of days. Saying that, i'm still looking forward to reaching Aug 23rd...
Posted by: Uriel Septim
at August 21, 2006 11:28 AM
Yes, I don't know about this August 22nd thingy, but we must HOPE that WE move soon.
The mad mullahs with a nuke is a cartoon I don't want to dream about.
Posted by: POITIERS-LEPANTO
at August 21, 2006 11:29 AM
Sounds like Saddams old game of Now you can inspect ...opps now you cant !! Oh it was obviously some junior officials mistake ....please come and inspect
opps sorry we have lost the keys etc etc.
Same old Blind Buff Dhimmi game which the UN really gets stuck into !! When will they ever learn ....not eat yellow snow !!.
It beggars belief that we allow them to piss us all around like that.....time and again and again and again. Oops sorry nuff said.
Posted by: Kelticman
at August 21, 2006 11:52 AM
I could probably agree with Spencer if it weren't for the irrationality of Mr Admadinejad.
He really believes he is in control of the world's destiny because of islamic mythology and prophesy.
I don't think he can resist this calling....... he's not smart enough.
Posted by: n.a. palm
at August 21, 2006 11:58 AM
I dont know if the 'officials' are concerned about Iran and Aug 22 or not, but I do know that at least one western US military base has ordered all leaves cancelled and all its soldiers to report in.
Posted by: duh_swami
at August 21, 2006 11:59 AM
I got an idea. If people can create biological and chemical warfare to destroy thousands of people, certainly there is technology that can create chemical and biological agents that will in turn have the opposite effect, let's put some "love juice" in the water supply sources of the entire Middle East. Why hasnt the big guns thought of that? They put "salt peter" in the food of prisoners to quell their amourous urges....so....
:-}
Posted by: shakedashieks
at August 21, 2006 12:01 PM
O.T.
What have we here? ...
I had not intended to post again on the "Qanagate" affair until the report in preparation was finished - which still needs a few more days.However, one of our readers has recently unearthed additional video footage, shot by Aljazeera. This more or less proves that the "dead baby" scene, in which "Green Helmet" was photographed by Reuters' Adnan Hajj (he of doctored photograph fame) uncovering the body of Abbas Ahmad Hashim, was not only staged, but faked.
The very strong indications are that the body of baby Hashim was uncovered early in the recovery effort by two Red Cross workers and subsequently re-buried so that it could be "discovered" by "Green Helmet" in a way that maximised the propaganda value.
It seems nothing is too base or too shameful for these people. They know no standards and they know no shame.
Here's the link: Re-buried baby
Posted by: Yojimbo
at August 21, 2006 12:24 PM
In Iran, August 22 is but a few hours away now. Can we find reporters putting their ears to the tracks to see if they are picking up any vibrations?
AUG 21--Iran fires practice missiles and affirms nuclear stance.
http://www.iranfocus.com/modules/news/article.php?storyid=8305
Posted by: Mackie
at August 21, 2006 12:29 PM
I actually tend to think this is just more saber-rattling, but we'll see not too long from now.
Well, tomorrow is the big day. Nothing is going to happen; no lights over Jerusalem; no nukes; all quiet on the front -- except of course for Bagdad.
Certainly if nothing happens on August 22, something will soon enough.
This is for sure. I tend to believe that nukes will go off but I think they will be more or less unannounced.
I wouldn't turn my back on Iran -- but I still don't think the UN has authority to do anything.
In that very restricted sense, I agree with Iran that they have every right as a sovereign nation to keep out UN inspectors or whomever.
The question we need to resolve is whether or not we as a sovereign nation consider their attainment of nuclear anything an act of war against our country.
If so, it is the job of our Congress to declare war against Iran and demand that the President act as Commander in Chief; it is then our job to destroy the enemy so they don't come back in a generation and kill us in our old age or our kids.
I don't give an [expletive deleted] what the UN says or doesn't say! The UN is not supposed to be running our country -- thats what our three branches of government are supposed to do!
Either our Congress should declare war on Iran as is their job (like it or not) under the Constitution (which they swore to uphold after all) and destroy Iran; or we should shut up and leave them alone!
Posted by: witness
at August 21, 2006 12:45 PM
ok. Muhammed went to the farthest mosque and then back to Mecca. But, nobody is talking about his return TO Mecca.
Could there be a plan by Iran to attack from Mecca to Jerusalem, or attack Jerusalem and then Mecca? Location location location....
It's probably just more gobbldygook on behalf of Iran's leaders and their children of the corn followers, but prophecy can be interesting to learn.
at August 21, 2006 12:48 PM
witness,
are you saying that any nation that signed the Nonproliferation Treaty has the right to keep inspectors out? you do realize that the IAEA inspects all nations' nuclear programs, even ours right? should the USA deny inspections as well? would we want Russia and the former Soviet states to deny inspectors? what about China, Pakistan, India, France, Brittan and whoever else is part of the treat and has a nuclear weapons program?
Posted by: viahj
at August 21, 2006 12:56 PM
http://www.attackcartoons.com/article.php/2006082109270588
$230 million to beirut? Why not just tell hezbullah to counterfeit it themselves
at August 21, 2006 12:57 PM
attackcartoons,
why should they bother, n korea can provide more than enough counterfeit $100 bills?
Posted by: viahj
at August 21, 2006 1:09 PM
Here's to a peaceful Aug. 21st, and 22nd, and 23rd. But it doesn't matter, it's coming someday, and it's time to prepare now. Pick any day of the year, and you can find an Islamic military conquest that took place on that day, or the slaughter of this or that tribe of Jews who had the misfortune to live within swords' reach of Muhammad.
Posted by: special_guest
at August 21, 2006 1:12 PM
The only thing that seems clear to me is that the Iranian Monkey is a fanatical nutter and actually believes the rubbish about the 12th Imam.
That being the case, he seems to want to put himself in a position of being Islam's 'false John the Baptist', making they way ready for their false messiah (anti-Christ).
I read somewhere a while back that many in Iran have thought he was irresponsible for focusing so much on the 12th Imam instead of addressing the country's social problems.
If he does NOT do something major either tonight or tommorrow, he will look like an impotent idiot to the arab world and to the rest of us as well. Sort of like the UN.
I have concluded that Muslims have way too much pride to own any common sense. The monkey is a classic example. This is why their thinking is so backwards and animalistic.
I know people in the military who are HOPING that he does something stupid so they can move in and wipe him out.
Sounds like the military are taking the position of being prepared. That being the case, we should do the same and pray for Israel's safety.
Posted by: The Goobs
at August 21, 2006 1:36 PM
are you saying that any nation that signed the Nonproliferation Treaty has the right to keep inspectors out?
Unfortunately, treaties in our country have the force of law and unfortuantely take priorty over our Constitution in actual implementation.
I frankly do not believe that the Nonproliferation Treaty should have been signed by the US in the first place, and I am not sure that Iran has actually signed the document.
b>you do realize that the IAEA inspects all nations' nuclear programs, even ours right?
Obviously, since we affixed our signatures to the Treaty.
should the USA deny inspections as well?
Considering that Treaties have the unfortunate status of having the force of law, we can not leagally deny the inspections. I would be in favor of nullifying the Treaty and subsequently denying such inspections however.
would we want Russia and the former Soviet states to deny inspectors?
They can't for the same reasons that we can't but even if they did, "inspections" were never a deterrent -- as "mad" as MAD was -- it was a deterrent and kept the peace for sixty years especially during October of 1963.
MAD was the only thing that stopped a full scale nuclear exchange between the USSR and the US; UN inspectors had nothing to do with anything.
what about China, Pakistan, India, France, Brittan and whoever else is part of the treat and has a nuclear weapons program?
Same question; same answer. Pakistan however got their bomb because Abdul Qadeer Khan essentially stole the information from Holland while studying there -- many European companies gave him the means to actually build the damn things!
You might go on to ask if I am happy with the specter of a nuclear armed Iran or Pakistan for that matter. The answer is absolutely not.
What really irks me is that N. Korea has nukes because under Clinton we gave these [expletive deleted] nuclear technology which was supposed to be used for the peaceful generation of nuclear power. It was a stupid idea.
Even if N. Korea signed a piece of paper, do you really entertain the idea that this alone would be enough to stop them from lauching a nuclear bomb if they were so inclined?
I must respectfully suggest that I do not see the threat of inspections or a signature on a piece of paper as a safe gaurd against N. Korean nukes. I have more faith in God and a working missle defense system, thank you very much.
My original comment goes back to the notion of who should do what to whom and when; and under what circumstances.
We as a sovereign nation should not be looking for people outside our country (i.e. the UN) to interpret laws for us or decide where or when we should take action or to what degree. I do not believe in "entangling alliances" with such entities either.
Our nationa interests and the interests of the people is, or rather should be, the job of our Congress. Not the UN. Period.
Unfortuantely, I must view the entire bunch in the three brances as derelect in their duty to protect the nation and the people that they vowed to protect when the took their respective oathes of office.
Posted by: witness
at August 21, 2006 1:46 PM
it was a deterrent and kept the peace for sixty
My math is terrible when I type fast sorry...
The NPT was signed in 1968 -- India, Pakistan, Israel never signed and N. Korea pulled out.
I was thinking also of the test ban treaty of 1963...
I certainly don't think we should ratify the CTBT either (Comprehensive Nuclear Test Ban Treaty)
all in the "sixties" and hence the Freudian connection for which I humbly apologize.
at August 21, 2006 2:19 PM
Uh, I'm gonna go out on a limb and predict that Iran's major event will be brilliantly understated. If Iran, North Korea and Venezula announce an alliance and claim it was necessitated by Bush's "Axis of Evil" speech and the Iraq war, the media will have a field day. Doesn't matter how ridiculous it is, the media would lament how Bush pushed these poor defenseless madmen into a corner while going after Saddam... and that would dovetail nicely with the upcoming US elections.
And in effect, any US action in Asia, Middle East or Central America would risk a three-theater war. Hell, Kofi may already be drafting a ceasefire for this possibility.
Posted by: lennysquiggy
at August 21, 2006 2:26 PM
Good. Wouldn't want the inspectors there when the Cruise missiles start coming in.
Posted by: Bohemond_1069
at August 21, 2006 2:40 PM
witness,
don't take my questions as a counter-viewpoint to your statements. i actually agree with you and wanted you to expand on that one idea. i agree that we should leave the UN and disregard any treaty that has the UN stamp of approval on it and that threatens our sovereingty.
inspections are based on the theory that all parties will be truthful and benign, we all know the reality of that one. the IAEA is a joke as is the UN with dealing with the world's problems.
Posted by: viahj
at August 21, 2006 2:49 PM
I dont know if the 'officials' are concerned about Iran and Aug 22 or not, but I do know that at least one western US military base has ordered all leaves cancelled and all its soldiers to report in.
Posted by: duh_swami
Just got word that an east coast military base has done the same a few days ago and also troops have been sent to Kuwait.
Posted by: The Goobs
at August 21, 2006 3:16 PM
Conquer or Die
"The time is now near at hand which must probably determine
whether Americans are to be freemen or slaves;
whether they are to have any property they can call their own;
whether their houses and farms are to be pillaged and destroyed, and
themselves consigned to a state of wretchedness
from which no human efforts will deliver them.
The fate of unborn millions will now depend on God,
on the courage and conduct of this army.
Our cruel and unrelenting enemy leaves us only
the choice of brave resistance,
or the most abject submission.
We have, therefore, to resolve to conquer or die."
George Washington
Founding Father, 1st US President, 'Father of the Country'
Source:July 2, 1776,
at August 21, 2006 3:19 PM
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