SUCKERS!

Posted by: crusader rabbit at August 22, 2006 11:14 AM

Let's not be too hasty. We don't know the details of what is in their offer.

The offer could read like the letter to Bush:

Dear West, as you know, nobody wants a war. We, the Iranian people seek only peace, as I'm sure the infidels do. In that direction, I invite you to discover Islam and come to a true understanding of world peace. Abandon the corrupt influence of Israel, for the Jews are not your friends. They will bring only destruction upon your people. What Iran offers today is a new hope. Accept Islam, accept the undeniable will of the muslim world, and we will continue our peaceful research into nuclear matters.

But let us also warn you, if you do not bring Allah into your heart, if you threaten us with violence, we will have no choice but to defend the will of the islamic world. And then our nuclear research will have defensive properties.

As a side note, we do intend on destroying Israel by midnight tonight, local time, so please do not interfere. It is not in your interest.

Thanks and have a nice day,

Madhat

Posted by: August22 at August 22, 2006 11:19 AM

Yawn. Soooo...when do we attack?

Posted by: bjjfiter at August 22, 2006 11:32 AM

Huzzah! No armegeddon today, see? And they are ready for "serious" talks! I think they are ready to be our staunch ally after all. Time to invite Ahmadinejad to the Rose Garden for a little hand-holding and cheek-kissing session.

Posted by: special_guest at August 22, 2006 11:33 AM

"She didn't say yes/She didn't say no.
She didn't say stay/She didn't say go."
-- from the song "She Didn't Say Yes/She Didn't Say No" (music by Jerome Kern, lyrics by Otto Harbach)

How long will this comedy continue, with Ahmadinejad and Khamenei performing as a duet in the role first made famous by the Wilde twins in "Till the Clouds Roll By" (1946)? How long before American resolve, and that "robust" (word-of-the-day among all bloviators bloviating about foreign policy) response that is required?

Remember, Pentagon planners: do just what it takes to destroy nuclear project and delivery systems (missiles, rockets, airplanes). But leave the rest, and certainly do not try regime-change, democracy, any of that other stuff. Indeed, leave enough of that other war materiel so that the Islamic Republic can still pose a threat to the Sunnis, can still help out the Shi'a in Iraq. Mustn't make that Sunni-Shi'a war too one-sided, too much of a Sunni cakewalk.

That wouldn't be fair.

That would be wrong.

Posted by: Hugh at August 22, 2006 11:35 AM

Who froze the news??????

Posted by: The Goobs at August 22, 2006 11:36 AM

Iran ready for ‘serious‘ nuclear talks

As opposed to?????

Posted by: The Goobs at August 22, 2006 11:39 AM

Bomb the bastards.

They are prtactising deception if their lips are moving.

Posted by: dgene at August 22, 2006 11:44 AM

OT,
Laura Ingraham has a CAIR rep on right now.
"This is not islam" AWK! AWK!...muslim parrot

Posted by: Carolyn2 at August 22, 2006 11:47 AM

Laura: Name 3 abotion clinic bombings in the last 5 years.
CAIR parrot: him haw....Terry Nichols....Tim McVeigh.....uummmm....bad Christians.....

Posted by: Carolyn2 at August 22, 2006 11:50 AM

Good Cop bad cop, they are playing games with us again. It has worked so far and they think that it will work all the time. The problem is that went the West does finally draw the line like Britain and France did with the ultimatum to German in 1939 they will think that we are joking, and try to call our bluff. I fear the consequences. The west has got to stop worrying if the Muslims like us or not, and draw that line. If England had back up France in 1936 when Hitler marched into the Rhineland. We could maybe have saved the world from a world war with its 56,000,000 million dead. It is now up to the leaders of the the west to start acting like Statesmen and not like politicians. What ever happens they are going to be damed if they do but definitely damed if they don't. I am not a great admirer of Truman, but what I do admire about that Gentleman was that he had a notice on his desk in the White House that read (THE BUCK STOPS HERE).

Posted by: Holger Dansker at August 22, 2006 11:57 AM

CAIR--what a joke!!. Any interviews with these buffoons should carry a disclaimer to warn the public. This is a terrorist supporting agency, the lies you are about to hear are probably lies.

Posted by: exsgtbrown at August 22, 2006 12:01 PM

We are ready to begin to get ready to begin to get ready to begin to get ready to .......

Posted by: JanuaryMan at August 22, 2006 12:09 PM

and we really almost mean it this time ... almost.

Posted by: JanuaryMan at August 22, 2006 12:10 PM

"You were given the choice between war & dishonour. You have chosen dishonour & we will still have war"

- Winston Churchill

When are we going to put the survival of the Western world above cultural sensibilities?

Posted by: albion at August 22, 2006 12:10 PM

When are we going to put the survival of the Western world above cultural sensibilities?

by albion

I don't know....we may need to schedule a meeting in late August to negotiate it first....then the Islamic world can give us their 'multi-faceted' 'serious' answer after they look over the proposal...... say.......sometime around September 11?

Posted by: The Goobs at August 22, 2006 12:17 PM

The Goobs

I will pencil it in to my diary....

Posted by: albion at August 22, 2006 12:19 PM

I guess that despite Mahmoud's best efforts to erase Israel from the map in advent of the Miraj, the Hidden Imam decided to remain hidden.

The Peoples' Cube blog site offers somewhat amusing cultural equivalence via Laika the Space Dog's commentary on Miraj: http://thepeoplescube.com/red/viewtopic.php?t=807

and Red Square's Miraj "carol", based on Santa Claus is coming to town: http://www.thepeoplescube.com/red/viewtopic.php?t=634

but I'll save my heartiest laughter for when the rest of the world takes serious actions to prevent Iran from acquiring the ability to nuke anyone. Unfortunately, I think the chances are infinitely greater that a major earthquake hits near Bushr and sets Iran's nuke project back to the 7th century than anybody taking any serious steps toward stopping Mahmoud and the Mullahs.

Posted by: waterdragon52 at August 22, 2006 12:26 PM

I love how Iran and the arabs believe the world is so naive to their petty games.

Posted by: Job at August 22, 2006 12:27 PM

Every time the west gets its Knickers in a twist Iran laughs all the way to the Bank.

Keep em guessing and the crude price rises...more moolah for the mullahs ...not so daft our Iranian friends. Wait till the autumn and the west will shiver as the knock on affects the needy , elderly and families with tight budgets. They dont need a war to get at us, their pissing all over us and we offer jaw , jaw , jaw ...oh boy arent we strong and principled ?

Posted by: Kelticman at August 22, 2006 12:28 PM

"I love how Iran and the arabs believe the world is so naive to their petty games."
postd by Job

Do you have evidence that the world isn't naive?
From where I am sitting it looks like they are getting the World to dance to their tune.

Posted by: Mr Ape Pig at August 22, 2006 12:32 PM

"Mahmoud and the Mullahs." from above,

Sounds like the name for a Stone Age, rock and roll band...

Of course Mahmoud, has forbidden Western music.
So tolerate!

Posted by: KnightHawk at August 22, 2006 12:46 PM

I could be wrong...but I don't think Iran will do anything this evening and here is why...

Russia to host Iranian nuclear energy delegation

http://today.reuters.com/news/articlenews.aspx?type=topNews&storyid=2006-08-22T084549Z_01_L2233591_RTRUKOT_0_TEXT0.xml&WTmodLoc=NewsArt-L1-RelatedNews-1

Posted by: The Goobs at August 22, 2006 12:49 PM

Iran is going to toy with us to look powerful to the Arab world as long as they have Russia and China's backing.

They can mouth off to us as much as they want....KNOWING that they have a defense pact with Russia and that our government knows it.

So, I see no way that we can realistically stop their looking powerful to the Arab world...

unless we kick their butts anyway and then are prepared to take on Russia/China.

Posted by: The Goobs at August 22, 2006 12:52 PM

Iran may just be stalling for time. It could be they have not received their triggers for the nukes from N.Korea yet.

Iran may not have to build nukes if they can purchase them.

Posted by: exsgtbrown at August 22, 2006 12:53 PM

When Ahmadinejad gave that speech about the world bowing to the great iranian people, his ruse became obvious. He is playing to his political base.

I think he would dearly love to "take out" Israel and whoever supports Israel, but he keeps bumping up against the reality of the might of the restrainers--yep, US.

Posted by: Aragorn at August 22, 2006 1:09 PM

"Iran is going to toy with us to look powerful to the Arab world as long as they have Russia and China's backing."

The Goobs

You are absolutely right about that, and what really annoys me is we could pry China away. My thinking is this; "There isn't anything being built in China that can't be built in India".

Posted by: Mr Ape Pig at August 22, 2006 1:18 PM

Mr. Ape Pig:

and if not India, South Korea, which, so far as I'm aware, is fairly unmolested by jihaddists in their midst.

A western boycott of Chinese consumer goods is long overdue, and not just because of their foreign policies -- supporting Saddam, the Islamic Republic of Iran, North Korea and Sudan*, but also because of Beijing's appalling human rights record.

* talk about "blood for oil" and China is right in there like a dirty shirt with the worst despots

Posted by: waterdragon52 at August 22, 2006 1:29 PM

This time the west gets it knickers in a twist and the Iranians attack an oil rig and threaten us with videos of comedy frogmen and lunatic black widows abseiling off buildings and holding guns like they do in Hollywood.

Coming to an Islamic channel near you soon! The M-TEAM (swt). A crack team of Iranians committed to the fight against Infidels wherever they find them. Armed with beards and forty year old war tactics they break out the welding torches and build devices capable of destroying entire industrialised nations every Tuesday night.

Posted by: Mert at August 22, 2006 1:35 PM

The "not in my backyard" syndrome won't last much longer.

How many of us are ready to turn tin cans into tanks? I know I am.

Posted by: Foehammer at August 22, 2006 1:54 PM

I guess we need to treat the short pres. as the child he is. If you can't make a decision in a fair amount of time, we will make one for you.

If they are now seriously ready to talk, I'd hope we'd say, "too late, we will take care of this problem on our own". Then proceed to knock out the nuclear facilities and whatever (whoever) else we run across.

Posted by: freewoman at August 22, 2006 1:56 PM

"A western boycott of Chinese consumer goods is long overdue..."
Waterdragon52

I couldn't agree more.

Posted by: Mr Ape Pig at August 22, 2006 1:57 PM

OT:

Cleric sets cap of 10 million U.S. deaths.
http://www.cnn.com/2006/WORLD/asiapcf/08/22/amanpour.binladen/index.html

Such a loving bunch, these clerics.

Posted by: SENATOR at August 22, 2006 2:14 PM

unless we kick their butts anyway and then are prepared to take on Russia/China.

Posted by: The Goobs

The lasting legacy of Ronald Reagan & his masterplan to recycle Communist Regimes into good little providers for the consumer economies of the West is that they are now hooked. Both Russia & China need the West - China for all the crap it produces & floods our Markets with & Russia for us to purchase their Gas from - & of course, that all important foreign investment for their crumbling infrastructure ("Pot / Kettle / Black Alert": I should talk, I live in England).

Threats by this pair of vacuous losers (in terms of ideologies & systems of Government)should be taken with a pinch of salt, & if need be, we should call their bluff & make them choose between Iran & the sane. As much historical baggage as the Russians & Chinese carry for the West, I do not think that they would go into bat for Irans thug in chief for any amount of oil - they know that if the West falls to Islam, or is seriously undermined by Islamic WMD taking us out of the global picture, China & Russia know that they would jump up the pecking order for the attention of the Greater Jihad. Like us, they are, afterall, just infidels.

With GW out of office in 2008 (November??), I think we can rest assured that he will not leave the garden covered in crap for the next President - & Russia & China will have to be, secretly, on board for this.

I am sure they know its coming anyway, so they are just positioning for a better deal from the West for their tacit, if not open, support.

"A fanatic is one who can't change his mind and won't change the subject" - Winston Churchill

Wow, 2 Churchill quotes in a day, I am becoming fanatical....

Posted by: albion at August 22, 2006 2:15 PM

Yeah something like a serious multi-faceted weapon of mass instruction on how to be the good Dhimmis !!

They have us surrounded in every inner city ....salmonella in the sheesh kebabs on a saturday night and most of Britain would be on their kness praying to the great china god on Sunday morning.Giving them a peacefull way to take over.

Really why do we keep pretending they will play by the Rules of West. They treat us like mushrooms ..feed us sh.t and keep us in the dark ...till one day we will all see the Mushroom cloud....

Posted by: Kelticman at August 22, 2006 2:55 PM

This proposal is just another of the endless historical machinations of the Umma going back nearly 1400 years. Let's not get absorbed into a single-minded obsession with Iran's nuclear program. The real issue is much larger, and we can not forget the much more tangible (for the moment) threat of Islamic terrorist attacks in the West - and a whole lot of other places besides. The whole world has its problems with Islam. I decided to do some checking up on the recent history of the Muslims in China and, lo and behold, what did I find but the following statements, courtesy of the Islamic website "everymuslim.com" and "Al-Islaah Publications"!

"[The Chinese Muslims] actively struggled against communists before and after the revolution. In fact, in 1953, the Muslims revolted twice in an effort to establish an independent Islamic state [in regions where Muslims were an overwhelming majority]. These revolts were brutally suppressed by Chinese military force followed by the liberal use of anti-Muslim propaganda"

and

"Since religious freedom was declared in 1978, the Chinese Muslims have not wasted time in expressing their convictions. There are now some 28,000 mosques in the entire People's Republic of China, with 12,000 in the province of Xinjiang. In addition, there is a large number of imams available to lead the Muslim community (in Xinjiang alone there are over 2,800).
There has been an increased upsurge in Islamic expression in China, and many nationwide Islamic associations have been organized to coordinate inter-ethnic activities among Muslims"

and, finally

"As always, the Muslims have refused to be silenced. Several large demonstrations have been staged by Muslims to protest intrusions on Muslim life. Last year, for instance, Muslims staged a massive protest rally in Beijing to demand the removal of anti-Islamic literature from China's bookstores"

Now its possible that the Communist leadership will be willing to cut off its nose to spite its face", by continuning to indulge this population as another weapon in its ideological war with the West, but on the other hand, given that regime's paranoia about the growth of groups that could threaten its power and the repressive measures it was willing to take even against the Falun Gong sect (!), I wonder if there isn't a weakness here that the West should exploit.

What I know for sure is that China is not the only Asian nation facing an Islamic threat. Even the Phillipians has had its own insurgency by the 5% of its population that wants to set up their own Shari'a state. Surely the Russians' troubles with the Chechen's and others is another case in point.

Now that the August 22 threat seems to be winding down, we should not let down our guard, nor cease to prepare for the future that may be coming. In another thread, I waged a heated battle with the poster using the name August22 over the issue of whether to launch a pre-emptive strike against Iran, in which I argued for a calm, "wait and see" approach before doing anything, even using some arguments that I would not normally have relied on. I was motivated here by a sense of desparation of my own to cool the enthusiasm of August22 and others for the deployment of our nukes, simply because one has to recognize that if these weapons are ever used on any significant scale the damage to the world could be so immense, that life itself could cease to exist. So on that page I argued for calm, pointing out that the date could have some other significance, such as the end of the Persian calendar month of Mordad and the end of the year on that calendar. Now it appears that I was probably right about that (touch wood), but August22 made a number of valid points that I've since considered, among the best of which, was his observation that it was only by inflicting a massive and unconditional defeat on Nazi Germany and Imperial Japan that we were able to turn them into the model citizens that these countries are today.

That said, the next thing for us to do is to force our Western governments to finally and definitively recognize the threat for what it is and stop speaking of the "war on terror" to call it what it really must be if its going to succeed: a "War on Islam!" From there, they've got to be willing to take two further steps.

1. Change the permissive laws that have allowed the terrorist threat to emerge from the permanently and innately alienated Islamic immigrants communities in Western countries to end this stupidity, and institute a massive campaign of repression against their Islamic communities, not because we hate all Moslems and want to wipe them out (since I doubt that this is true of most of us - I for one do not feel that way), but because if there really is such a thing as a "moderate" and "peaceful" Moslem, this type of measure is the ONLY thing that will allow them to hold their ground against the innate violence of their own Islamic societies. If this is successful, it may not be necesary to take step 2 because this in itself may be a convincing enough demonstration to the Islamic world that we mean business. However, just in case, here it is.

2. Pressure nations such as Russia and China, as well as Japan and all of Latin America, to recognize where there own best interests lie, break any defence pacts and alliances they may have with Islamic nations, and prepare to launch a massive, global crusade like the one that defeated Germany and Japan in the last century, targetting all the Islamic nations that sponsor terror attacks or that have links to threats within our borders. The ones that come to mind are Iran, Syria, Saudi Arabia, possibly Pakistan, and perhaps before long, Iraq. "Moderate nations" such as Jordan and Egypt could be left out as long as they behave themselves, but we have to let them know that if they involve themselves, or if they don't get their own militants under control within their own borders, we will step in there too, and do it for them.

Even if the threat of an Iranian attack against Israel appears to have passed for the moment, Iran is almost certain to have nuclear weapons in a few years, and meanwhile, terrorist threats to airliners, subways - even parliaments if the charges in the recent Canadian case are true - continue, and these attacks give us all the reason we need to target these countries, especially the Saudis for an open and clear declaration of war fought according to the classic western traditions of warfare going back to Hoplite Greece - the shortest campaign possible defeating the most massive damage possible on the enemy.

The objective of this war must be nothing less than the total defeat of these nations, and an occupation that entirely breaks the will of the people who have adopted this monstrous ideology (here's where we'll be able to tell at last whether proposals for a "reform of Islam" can really succeed as we'll then be able to force this on them as one of the conditons for reconstruction and enforce it on the ground) and, that accomplished, their rebuilding and rehabilitation as respectable global citizens.

Posted by: templar at August 22, 2006 3:05 PM

Albion,

I think a better approach would be to alert China and remind Russia of our agreement of MAD: Mutually Assured Destruction. Sure, the loony clerics and fanatical Islamists may not be swayed one way or the other since their whole goal is to die, but we should remind Russia that MAD still applies and should we be attacked, we’ll wipe the Iranians out and anybody else in that general vicinity. The fallout won’t contain itself to Iran’s borders. Heck, since we’re pissed off and in the mood to drop bombs, we may not stop there …their other puppet, North Korea, smells ripe for picking, too, among others.

Since China and Russia always seem to undermine us, we should step back and say “Fine …Iran’s your problem now. North Korea, too. Keep them in line or else we’ll all feel the devastation.”

We screwed up by arming the Taliban versus the Russians, so I see this as Russia’s way of getting back at us. Fine. Do whatever you want to, Russia, but know that we’ll turn this entire ball of dirt into a smoldering husk before allowing it to be gently placed into the hands of violent Islamists.

It may take the Western world a good long time to anger, but once we’re fully pissed …the Great Satan will show everyone what true destruction really is.

Posted by: MaxInfidel at August 22, 2006 3:05 PM

Albion:

"A fanatic is one who can't change his mind and won't change the subject" - Winston Churchill

Are you calling me a fanatic?

Goto:

http://www.newmediajournal.us/guest/kraft/08172006.htm

Where do you live, roughly. I'm part of the Wigan Welsh - which sounds kind of appropriate for a rugby league town, doesn't it.

Now don't go telling me you live in Bromich.

Posted by: Sir Henry Morgan at August 22, 2006 3:10 PM

KillHankKill:

thanks for the boycott china site information.

Avoid the "death tos" as Spencer has threatened to close down Comments a few times. He has enough grief without inviting criticism for operating a "hate site".

Posted by: waterdragon52 at August 22, 2006 3:12 PM

I just finished a martial arts serial (dubbed) on DVD, originally written by Jin Yong.

I had to say I was pretty nauseated by the many attempts by the Chinese TV to portray the religion of the Uygurs -- they are Muslims. Some notable ones :

1. "We are all Allah's sons and daughters". Of course, that is never the case. Islam calls for submission, and that is the meaning of "islam". We are, at most, slaves of Allah.

2. "Allah loves all people". Wow, what a contradiction to the Qur'an, that lists many categories of people that Allah does not love.

If anything, these messages are Chrisian messages, not Muslim messages. I was in shock!

All these messages gets repeated ad nausem in the serial. If even the Chinese media is doing such things, bidding the dawah for Muslims, now wonder China is going to be in such a big problem.

http://almahdi-antichrist.ignorelist.com

Posted by: yaqub at August 22, 2006 3:18 PM

Sir Henry,

I hope you don't spend Saturday nights of debauchery at Wigan Pier. You could meet alsorts of bad people there including people from Chorley!

Must admit to many decadent nights at Wigan Pier. Suppose I wont make happy Muslim after all:)

Posted by: Mert at August 22, 2006 3:40 PM

Can't we just all get along and talk about this? Iran's ex-president is invited to Washington next month to speak at the National Cathedral.

"At the Cathedral, the Rev. Canon John L. Peterson, director of its Center for Global Justice and Reconciliation, said U.N. Secretary-General Kofi Annan had invited Khatami to participate in a conference Sept. 5-6 to promote dialogue."

The State Department is reviewing his visa application. So in other words, don't expect any military action from the U.S. against Iran anytime soon.

Posted by: Kreuzueber Halbmond at August 22, 2006 3:41 PM

Edit my last post. "I won't be converted to a happy Muslim".

Shit.

Posted by: Mert at August 22, 2006 3:52 PM

Its midnight in Baghdad; What am I going to do with all of this ammunition?

Posted by: limes at August 22, 2006 4:00 PM

Yep. Seems like Iran was all talk and no "flash" - of light. BTW, check out the U.N.'s latest ad campaign:

Personally endorsed by Kofi Annan.
Great post and discussion!

Posted by: N.B. Goldstein at August 22, 2006 4:03 PM

Well, it's about time China and Russia stall U.N. talks to protect their great oil ally.

Posted by: Job at August 22, 2006 5:10 PM