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August 25, 2006

Iraqis loot base after British leave

They feel justified in seizing "war loot" in accordance with Islamic law. There is a whole chapter of the Qur'an devoted to war loot, or booty -- Surat Al-Anfal (Spoils of War), which is sura 8. After the Muslims' great victory in the Battle of Badr, Allah rewarded those to whom he had granted victory. There was so much booty for the victors that it became a bone of contention. So divisive did this threaten to become that Allah warns the Muslims not to consider booty won at Badr to belong to anyone but Muhammad: “They ask thee concerning things taken as spoils of war. Say: ‘(Such) spoils are at the disposal of Allah and the Messenger: so fear Allah, and keep straight the relations between yourselves. Obey Allah and His Messenger, if ye do believe” (8:1).

Ultimately, Muhammad distributed the booty among the Muslims equally, keeping a fifth for himself. (8:41). This was in accord with a special privilege that Allah had granted to Muhammad. Muhammad explained: “I have been given five (things) which were not given to any amongst the Prophets before me.” These included the fact that “Allah made me victorious by awe (by His frightening my enemies)” and “the booty has been made Halal (lawful) to me (and was not made so to anyone else)” (Bukhari 1.7.331). The Qur'an is also much preoccupied with booty outside of sura 8.

From AP, with thanks to Del:

AMARAH, Iraq - Looters ravaged a former British base Friday, a day after the camp was turned over to Iraqi troops, taking everything from doors and window frames to corrugated roofing and metal pipes, authorities said....

Several Iraqi soldiers, apparently unarmed, did not seem to make any effort to stop the looting.

"There are only few soldiers at Abu Naji camp. Some of the residents were carrying weapons so they (the soldiers) did not want bloodshed and with such a big number, they cannot stop them," Jabbar said....

When asked by a reporter why he was taking material from the base, one man, who refused to give his name, said: "This is war loot and we are allowed to take it."

Posted by Robert at August 25, 2006 2:54 PM
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The booty has been made halal to ME. Mo's golden rule - The guy with the gold makes the rules.

Posted by: MP [TypeKey Profile Page] at August 25, 2006 3:12 PM

Typical Muslim behavior, loot, destroy and carry guns.

I would have thought the base could have been converted to schools, hospitals, stores, even apartments.

Muslims cannot see the world because their nose for bad behavior is in the way.

Posted by: exsgtbrown [TypeKey Profile Page] at August 25, 2006 3:13 PM

koran inspired crimnals.

Posted by: freewoman [TypeKey Profile Page] at August 25, 2006 3:15 PM

Actually, it is the guy with the gun who makes the rules.. Muslims understand guns.

Posted by: exsgtbrown [TypeKey Profile Page] at August 25, 2006 3:17 PM

The Qur'an is also much preoccupied with booty outside of sura 8.


Muslims like all kinds of booty.

Posted by: exsgtbrown [TypeKey Profile Page] at August 25, 2006 3:23 PM

"Ultimately, Muhammad distributed the booty among the Muslims equally, keeping a fifth for himself. (8:41). This was in accord with a special privilege that Allah had granted to Muhammad."

When two small children fight over a toy, one will often appeal to authority: "My dad (my mom, the teacher, etc.) wants me to have it." As children grow, this simple thinking matures into reasoned argument. How interesting that Muslims, following the example of their prophet, are still on the level of toddlers.

Posted by: Marwan'sDaughter [TypeKey Profile Page] at August 25, 2006 3:40 PM


http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/9331863/


NEVE DEKALIM, Gaza Strip - Palestinians looted dozens of greenhouses on Tuesday, walking off with irrigation hoses, water pumps and plastic sheeting in a blow to fledgling efforts to reconstruct the Gaza Strip.

American Jewish donors had bought more than 3,000 greenhouses from Israeli settlers in Gaza for $14 million last month and transferred them to the Palestinian Authority. Former World Bank President James Wolfensohn, who brokered the deal, put up $500,000 of his own cash.

Palestinian police stood by helplessly Tuesday as looters carted off materials from greenhouses in several settlements, and commanders complained they did not have enough manpower to protect the prized assets. In some instances, there was no security and in others, police even joined the looters, witnesses said.


“We’ve tried to stop as many people as we can, but they’re like locusts.”


Posted by: kasper1062 [TypeKey Profile Page] at August 25, 2006 3:46 PM

Trying to reason with Muslims could go something like this:
One day a hunter saw a bear and was about to fire when the bear held up his paw and said, "After all, Mr. Hunter all you want is a fur coat, and all I want is a full stomach. Can't we use some diplomacy and sit down and negotiate this problem."
So the hunter sat down to negotiate. The bear was right. The hunter got a fur coat and the bear got a full stomach.
Goes to show, do not negotiate with someone whose real intention is to kill no matter what you offer.


Posted by: exsgtbrown [TypeKey Profile Page] at August 25, 2006 3:55 PM

Ever notice how Muslim police no matter where they are seem powerless to stop looting, to stop violence, to stop hate marches. The Muslim police may have guns , but they have no desire to do anything. Sometimes the Muslim police actually join in with the looters, (after all, why should the looters get everything?)

Power in a Muslim led country comes from the barrel of a gun and supreme rule goes to the man who will use the gun.

Muslim countries have remained dirt poor for centuries because of the asinine behaviour of its rulers and inhabitants. NO ONE have ever stood up and tried to nurture the land or its peoples. Islam is a plague.

Posted by: exsgtbrown [TypeKey Profile Page] at August 25, 2006 4:00 PM

BBC had an article yesterday talking about the fact that no one is rebuilding Gaza after the turn over, since the Israelis destroyed everything before they left.

Of course BBC does not point out that this same looting occurred in Gaza destoying most everything, including the famous greenhouses of Gaza that would have provided food, employment and export for the Palestians. But they destroyed it.

BBC wants you to feel sorry for the Palestinians, but they don't want you to realize they are the cause.

Posted by: alaskan1000 [TypeKey Profile Page] at August 25, 2006 4:03 PM

"First of all, we tried to stop them, but we saw some them were armed and our forces did not have enough people to stop them," -from the Article

Going through the motions. If I remember correctly, Amarah is located in the peaceful part of Iraq. One of the areas ready for self-rule.

Posted by: limes [TypeKey Profile Page] at August 25, 2006 4:07 PM

Islam is a plague.

Posted by: exsgtbrown

They are a plague on civilized peoples everywhere; even their own kind.


Posted by: KillHankKill

Islam plagues the house of Submission and the house of War. Muslims are the first and worst victims of Islam, but this does not excuse them.
Islam is a plague on both houses.

Posted by: A_Plague_on_Both_Houses [TypeKey Profile Page] at August 25, 2006 4:19 PM

Oh ... second-hand building supplies! We're rich!
I’d rather see them getting this kind of paltry "war loot" than to see us continuing to pay millions in jizya to the kleptocrats who run Iraq so that it is "stable" enough for young American and British soldiers to continue dying to protect them from each other. I hope there is a lot more of this "war loot" available in the not too distant future!

Sometimes the spoils go to losers.

Posted by: Malta_1565 [TypeKey Profile Page] at August 25, 2006 4:19 PM

I would be interested to know if the looters reckoned that they were looting their own government, that their own government is an enemy and subject to plunder. In any event, it certainly does suggest that the "Coalition" is not welcome or regarded as an ally by the people.

Will our governments learn while there is time?

Posted by: Dhimmisoftheworldunite [TypeKey Profile Page] at August 25, 2006 4:49 PM

This is the solution for how to repopulate Nawlins. Make it a Moslem conclave. What could be better? Kareem Abdul Jabaar could be their Prez, and Mohammed Ali their King. Recent revert Dave Chappelle could be the Court Jester.

All in one place, they're easy to keep an eye on. In such low ground, they'd suffer low missile launching positions that could only fire out into the empty bayous. And when the time came, the US Army Corps of Engineers could pull the linch pin on the dike gates and quell the festering Jihad problem with a deep wash.

Posted by: Alarmed Pig Farmer [TypeKey Profile Page] at August 25, 2006 5:18 PM

Guess THEIR 'god' has a different set of 'commandments'.

1. I am the false moon god 'allah' is my name. If you believe in someone else, I'll cut your head off.

2. Thou shall not make cartoon images of me or my peodofile followers or I'll cut your head off.

3. Thou shall use my name in EVERY language and then lie and say "it's just an ARAB word for god".

4.

Posted by: The Goobs [TypeKey Profile Page] at August 25, 2006 5:36 PM

apparently, the 'fruit' of their faith is stealing. Guess THEIR 'god' has a different set of 'commandments'.

1. I am the false moon god 'allah'. If you believe in someone else, I'll cut your head off.

2. Thou shall not make cartoon images of me or my pedophile 'prophets' or I'll cut your head off.

3. Thou shall use my name in EVERY language and then lie and say "it's just an ARAB word for god". If anyone catches on to the truth...cut their head off.

4. Remember, never respect anyone's sabbath...in fact, blow people up on it whenever possible.

5. Honor your parents...blow yourself up and get a street named after you.

6. You shall murder anyone who does not agree with you and call it 'jihad'. If anyone tries to reason with you...change the subject.

7. You shall commit adultery and have loads of wives if you wish...and if you get tired of any of them, see commandment 9 and say she committed adultry. That way you can stone her to death.

8. Steal from anyone who isn't a muslim. It's your right. Set up false charities and take money to wage war against the west.

9. Lie to anyone anytime if suits you. After all, the god you serve is the FATHER OF ALL LIES and you are not greater than your master.

10. Covent the hell out of all the things the west possesses and be jealous and violent and hateful until you can steal it from them when you become the majority.

Posted by: The Goobs [TypeKey Profile Page] at August 25, 2006 5:45 PM

It is good to see that everybody is getting the big picture.
They say they believe in G.O.D,
G. Good for only the Muslims.
O. Obsess over what the other man has, wife, money, land, children.
D. Demand the right to steal anything from any one, family included and say G.O.D. said they could.
Doesn't it sound like Satin wears a turban, I try not to get stuck in the religious part. But you must agree that WE as a Nation need to stop the Muslim Infection. I only hope we can get the troops home before Iran decides to use the nukes they got from Korea the other day.
Someone needs to look into what they said when we put the Japanese into camps. How did we justify it?, we need to modify it to say the Islamic threats. We can see that they looted the base, they have no plans on making a democratic place to live. We should see that for what it is. We are locket in the Kobeeoshee Mauro, don't know the spelling of that sorry. But it is the test on Star Trek. The test is not made to pass.
We need to wake up and see that, and do what we need too to change the out come, even if we have to cheat.
After all Muslims cheat, steel, kill, molest, enslave, and destroying it if it cant be had, is Muslim commandments
History has told this of them, just go look. So why should we set a ponder if we should be worried. "YES WE SHOULD". They are after the U.S. now, and using G.O.D.
Time to get any Muslim teaching out of the American school system, absolute no teaching by any Muslim in the U.S.
The most important thing is do not feel bad about it, WE THE PEOPLE DEMAND IT.
They are like an infection, you don't want to keep it around too get infected again. From what I see of the postings, most people can see through the smoke they blow. Now how do we get on with saving the American way of life, and don't worry if we offend them.

Posted by: ironkitten [TypeKey Profile Page] at August 25, 2006 6:48 PM

a change of topic.

do apologise,but worth a look.

bungle over at al guardian comment is free is pushing for state funded islamic schools,blaming the joos and throwing in the usual threats about change your foreign policy or else.

looks like the people over at al guardian are even starting to get fed up with it?.

has bungle just fallen on his sword?.


http://commentisfree.guardian.co.uk/inayat_bunglawala/2006/08/an_honest_debate.html

Posted by: kasper1062 [TypeKey Profile Page] at August 25, 2006 6:51 PM

Wow, maybe this is proof to the world that allah actually does provide for the needs of true believers (esp. those with the guns).

...and later that evening huddled around the dung-fed stove: "Praise be to allah, we now have 4/5ths of the doorframe and 4/5ths of the corregated tin that we've always dreamed of. Oh, mercy be to allah for this indisputable proof; even the thick-headed infidels can't deny that this is a sign of allah's charity and benevolence."

Well, at least they didn't have the foresight to turn it into an iranian-sponsored ied factory.

Posted by: oregonjack [TypeKey Profile Page] at August 25, 2006 6:53 PM

If an Iraqi military base is open for looting, then what are we doing there? What kind of military can't protect its own bases? Did all their training do any good? I keep hearing we can't cut and run, but what choice is there?
It seems nothing we do will make a difference. Not even the Iraqi "leaders" will stand up to the looters. Is there any reason to believe that mindset can be changed in less than a decade?

Posted by: PMK [TypeKey Profile Page] at August 25, 2006 7:03 PM

"...They're like locusts." well the only way to deal with pests, let them starve or wipe them out. either way they need to be history.

Posted by: ZenaWarriorPrincess [TypeKey Profile Page] at August 25, 2006 7:07 PM

Two points:

1. The British in the south have been fighting not the Sunnis of Anbar Province but the Shi'a. Why should the Shi'a be attacking them? After all, didn't the British help the Americans in ridding Iraq of Saddam Hussein? Of course they did, but so what? They are Infidels. Attack them, kill them, and take whatever they leave behind.

2. The looting is exactly what went on in Gaza when the Jewish villages were forcibly uprooted -- those highly successful greenhouses, specially bought for the "Palestinians" by those who keep misunderstanding what the conflict is all about -- total destruction of what might have been a source of income. And after the fall of Baghdad, the looting of government offices was yet another example. People whose idea of government is the despot, who cannot conceive of being anything between master and slave of that master, are likely whenever they have a chance either to seize loot from those they are now lording it over, or to seize loot, as those suddenly-powerful formerly powerless, wherever it may be. There is no middle way.

Posted by: Hugh [TypeKey Profile Page] at August 25, 2006 9:39 PM

This story brings to mind the looting early on in the war. We were blamed for letting the looting go on. Who is to blame this time? Does any see a pattern of behavior here?

A.L.A.R.A.

Posted by: Alara [TypeKey Profile Page] at August 25, 2006 9:45 PM

Mohammad was nothing more than a lying, cheating, murderer who managed to deceive his followers into believing he was 'special'. Mo was a spiritual deviant.

Posted by: champ [TypeKey Profile Page] at August 25, 2006 10:04 PM

War loot? When did the Iraqis become at war with the British?

Posted by: aynrandgirl [TypeKey Profile Page] at August 25, 2006 10:28 PM

I've been trying to develop some take on the 'give a man a fish vs. teach a man to fish' saying for the last two hours. I just can't come up with anything.

A.L.A.R.A.-As Low As Reasonably Achievable?

Posted by: limes [TypeKey Profile Page] at August 25, 2006 11:51 PM

"This is war loot and we are allowed to take it."


During Katrina:

"Well the police ain't stoppin' us."


During the Rodney King riots in L.A.

"We're protesting aginst a terrible injustice."


There always seems to be a BS excuse for taking something that isn't yours.

Posted by: infidel4life [TypeKey Profile Page] at August 26, 2006 1:06 AM

Those looters will always remain looters as that is their *belief system*.What makes me wince is that donors refuse to learn.It is the donors who need to become wiser and stop feeling responsible for the plight of muslims.So what if they face misfortune .So be it. Their lot is earned by them.

Their destruction can be effectively hastened by the donors' blissful indifference.

Posted by: Crows&Cows [TypeKey Profile Page] at August 26, 2006 4:14 AM

1350 years of jihad history is filled with looting. This is what drove islamic economies before crude happened. Looting is as much an integral part of islam as beheading and torturing. All fine things that big mo did.

Posted by: arjun.sevak [TypeKey Profile Page] at August 26, 2006 5:29 AM

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