All of this is no surprise. Hitler said, "we want peace" and Chamberlain said "peace in our day" - right, after 50,000,000 died in WWII.

So, Ahmanutjob gives the UN the middle finger (not as if the UN didn't deserve it, for all of it's effectiveness)and says at the same time "we want peace".

Sound familiar?

Posted by: bonncaruso at September 4, 2006 3:28 AM

David Kay concluded in his report that Saddam was more of a threat in terms of biological weapons when we finally deposed him, than he was at the time of the first gulf war.

We usually find out after the fact that our enemies are farther ahead technologically than we give them credit for. We found that out especially in regard to Pakistan and India.

I haven't any doubt that Tehran is way beyond where the CIA estimates them to be.

There are those in Washington, and around the world, who aren't muslims, yet want Iran to go nuclear.

Check out Thomas P. Barnett, he of the "Blueprint." He wants them to go nuclear as a first step towards their becoming responsible.

For my part, I haven't any doubt anymore that islam will detonate nuclear devices in the West. The only question is where and when. And I'm not fully convinced that they will go after Israel first.

Maybe the final demise of islam will occur when they try to initiate the return of the hidden iman. And he doesn't pop out of that well.

Has Spencer ever written a piece explaining what the SUNNI version of the apocalypse is, in contrast to that of the shiites.

Posted by: Dan at September 4, 2006 5:16 AM

Britain’s policy of trying to use quiet diplomacy to curb the Iranian plans has been in stark contrast to the more bellicose rhetoric coming from America.

Warning of reprisals against a Moslem leader heavily hinting that he WMD us is no more bellicose than being justifiably afraid is paranoid:

* 33:21 * * 33:21 * * 33:21 * * 33:21 * * 33:21 * * 33:21 * * 33:21 * * 33:21 * * 33:21 *

bel li cose
adj.

Inclined or eager to fight; aggressively hostile; belligerent; pugnacious.

Bush is eager to fight? State is aggressively hostile? Our security forces are pugnacious?

Wussies would be more like it.

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That the London Times would publish such misleading crap explains why we are on a course of appeasement and obeisant acceptance that the first nuclear Islamic Republic is inevitable.

Dubya's dad, every bit as mediocre as sonny, blew it when he failed to step in with check book to get all of those Soviet missiles and warheads under locked inventory control.

Posted by: Alarmed Pig Farmer at September 4, 2006 8:49 AM

If we don't do Iran now we will probably see London and Washington flattened in five years time.

Posted by: IceDragon at September 4, 2006 10:13 AM

The push for the heavy water moderated reactor pretty much closes the discussion about nukes or electricity. Commercial (light water) boilers produce 1GW electricity with no fuss with heavy water. The biggest heavy water reactors produce 100MW of electricity and all of them (except maybe for the Candian reactor) are used with the goal to produce weapons grade plutonium.

Posted by: Marvin at September 4, 2006 10:22 AM

"meanwhile the Bushbots attack everyone except the people who are a real threat. It's much easier for the right wing fascist admin and it's noise machine subsidary to attack Natalie Maines or Howard Dean."
-Dumbass

Does it ever occur to you to spend some of your own money to set up a website where you can spew this off topic garbage?

You could call it the "I hate everything Christian or to the right of Enver Hoxha" blog or something.

This site is to inform, learn, and exchange ideas about the conflict between islam and the rest of the world, not a place to air your stinking anti-Bush/anti-Conservative psychopathy. And before you go foaming at the mouth, it is not an anti-Liberal/Leftist/Democrat site either.

People like you have been warned many a time by Messrs. Spencer and Fitzgerald concerning steeplechases involving hobbyhorses not germaine to the topic at hand or the website in general.

If it's so important to you to denigrate this administration, Conservatives, and anyone else who doesn't have their head planted deeply up Marx's ass, pay for your own site, you cheapskate, and quit subjecting the rest of us to your partisan lunacy.

Posted by: Eisenhund at September 4, 2006 10:33 AM

According to this journalist, the threat from the wackjob in Iran is all hyperbole:

http://www.writely.com/View.aspx?docid=ah6sxjndq9qq_57d3nwx9

We should be grateful Fareed Zakaria is not advising anyone in leadership, if his reaction to any magnification on the subject is to go the other extreme and minimize everything.

And his analysis of Hitler and Germany is incorrect. Hitler began WWII long before the military invasion of Poland by political pressure and two-faced dealings. And Germany's Industrial base was sorely lacking in many materials (he saw the need for more ore, oil and rubber) required for a war machine's maintenance, one reason why he felt the time to strike in the East was 1941, before the Soviets had time to react.

Posted by: amana39 at September 4, 2006 10:36 AM

Sorry this is off topic...but why did this explosion at a Chicago train station on Saturday get ignored by our media? Why did I have to find this on a Canadian site?

http://www.canadafreepress.com/2006/hagmann090206.htm

Could it be that our lefty-liberal media do not want to report terrorism in the US because of the upcoming elections? We had better keep our eyes open folks...because the foxes are guarding the chickens.

I would have sent this to Robert, but I don't know how.

Posted by: The Goobs at September 4, 2006 10:44 AM

What is the probability that Iran already has some uranium that only needs a few cycles of enrichment to become weapons grade? Uranium fuel for a submarine's nuclear reactor is much more highly enriched than for an ordinary commercial power reactor. That fuel can be easily enriched to weapons level. If Iran has a missile system, I beleive thay have the uranium necessary for a warhead. They don't need to test it.

A earlier post on another article compared Iran's nuclear effort to the US Manhattan Project of '42-'45. We had a uranium and a plutonium bomb in four years, from scratch. The Manhattan Project was a Hurculean effort that would have taken twenty years in peacetime. Iran does not have to re-invent the wheel so to speak. They claim to be enriching uranium already. It has never been reported that Iran began the process with un-refined uranium ore. I believe that they have the material if not a warhead already.

Posted by: Pelayo at September 4, 2006 10:58 AM

Purple Haze, I hav to say that I questioned the plane crash as well. Seemed a bit strange to me. I did find it interesting that the runways had just been worked on a week before...not sure which runway, but I did read something about it in my search for truth/facts.

I think that we need to stay alert and search around for facts. It is truly a frightening day if Americans are lied to or kept blind to important stories by our government. Sounds like old-fashioned communism to me!

So the question should be...WHO is responsible for the lack of reporting on the explosion at the Chicago train station on Saturday? Our media...who hate Bush or our government? Is it possible that our government can have that much control over our lefty-liberal media? I wonder.

Posted by: The Goobs at September 4, 2006 11:16 AM

Bin Laden is probably in North Korea.

Iran has funded North Korea's nuclear programme....in exchange for?

Posted by: The Goobs at September 4, 2006 11:23 AM

Upon reflection, maybe it isn't so bad for Khatami and other terrorist leaders to tour the States. Get all these brand new American Moslems agitated and militized and they won't be able to restrain themselves, each will sooner or later make it apparent what a horse's asses every American Moslem really is.

American Moslems have been kept under wraps, spread throughout neighborhoods and suburbs, even wealthy suburbs, by that Federal social engineering program called the HUD Section 8 free housing program, a program forced financial blackmail on even non-Marxist suburbs.

Sure, the Section 8 money is Federal but the moral support and delusion do-gooderism comes from local churches and universities. Come to think of it, the Federal money is local, too. At least up North here, where we transfer a big chunk of our annual income to the South, Southeast, and California.

I say let's get the Moslems running amok in the streets of America. Let's finally throw a party and celebrate multiculturalism in its final act.

Posted by: Alarmed Pig Farmer at September 4, 2006 11:35 AM

Meanwhile, Pakistan already has nukes, has tested them openly, and is one coup away from being in the control of Al Queda sympathizers. That is where the next terrorist bomb will come from.

And I still think that as long as we have troops in Iraq, surrounded by Iraqi-Shiite Iranian supporters who will turn on them in a second if we openly attack their Iranian brothers-in-Islam, we cannot realistically deal with Iran. Iran knows we have our troops tied down in Iraq, that's IMHO why they are being so obstinate.

Posted by: ryoga at September 4, 2006 11:45 AM

Alert! All news junkies...

Truckload of explosives sought by police

http://www.floridatoday.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20060903/BREAKINGNEWS/60903005/1086

Posted by: The Goobs at September 4, 2006 11:48 AM

Rumor has it that the Ukrainian crime boss has been identified as one James "Big Slav" Gandolfinivich... He enjoys trips to the old country (carefully avoiding Chernobyl), a fully stocked stable of mail-order virgin gumars, and his signed copy of "Koran for former communists" given to him by Ahmadinejaggedon. Heavy water recipe as a bonus epilogue.

Is it very hard to make the connection between organized crime and jihad? Not at all. Their goals overlap and the personalities share similar traits. I'm amazed it's taken so long for these revelations to come to light. Next headline? "Polish girls gymnastics team running burqa sweatshop in Warsaw; charges sought."

Posted by: MadrassasippiBurnin at September 4, 2006 1:46 PM

Hypocrites, History has proven that the biggest ideological threat the modern world faces is the Americanist democratic neo con Christian Extremist, and the terrorist leaders that the brain washed americanist vote into power. what goes around comes around and im glad im not american, coz when you consider Hiroshima,Nagasaki,Vietnam, Iraq sactions(500000 dead children a price worth paying? was 9/11 a price worth paying)and the two recent Terrorist crusade inspired invasions and occupation of Iraq and Afghanistan, them boy are u guys due some.

Posted by: uncle sam at September 4, 2006 2:22 PM

You got proof of those "500,000 dead children", uncle sham?

Hiroshima and Nagasaki?
*yawn* Too stupid to even address.

Run along islamo-Gramscian dog, before someone kicks your tail up into your throat.

Posted by: Eisenhund at September 4, 2006 2:57 PM

Peal harbour was an attack on a military target, Hiroshima and Nagasaki were two civiclian cities. but i dont expect an arrogant Brainwashed memeber of the Americanist cult to know and appreciate this

Posted by: uncle sam at September 4, 2006 3:09 PM

U-Sam, if you haven't noticed, this is a website devoted to analysis and commentary about the global Islamic jihad being waged against the non-Muslim world. It is not a direct forum for discussing World War II, a war in which Muslims stood side by side with the Axis (read: fascist) powers. This bellicose alliance was driven to defeat by western warfighting and scientific innovation, human will, and industrial capacity. In other words... Team Allies had the martial and moral superiority and the Axis had a few short guys with Napoleon complexes. So your ranting on this thread and others about American-backed injustices and atrocities worldwide falls on deaf ears. If you want to comment on World War II or any other prior war why don't you log onto history.com and start your own blog-for-fools there? Or is it that the revelation of the truths of history are too painful for you? And another thing - take the time to learn English grammar, spelling, and sentence construction before posting. You write like an adolescent amidst his first drinking binge.

Posted by: MadrassasippiBurnin at September 4, 2006 3:30 PM

There actually were strategic reasons for hitting those two cities, but I'm sure you're not interested in them, as being a typical mohammedan, you're just talking out of your ass.

And Haifa in Israel is a civilian city. You know, one of the places at which your cowardly mohammedan buddies like to chuck missiles?

Keep running your mouth, idiot.

...and there's no such thing as an "Americanist cult" you dimwitted putz. You don't sound smart trying to make up shit like that. You just sound ill-educated and childish.

Posted by: Eisenhund at September 4, 2006 3:33 PM

Ladies and Gentleman, we have a Troll aboard the JW/DW ship. He has also been spotted on other decks. I advise all of you to ignore the Troll, and he/she/it will melt away. This is a provocateur whose only goal is to disrupt the intelligent exchange of ideas on this site.

Posted by: Pelayo at September 4, 2006 3:46 PM

Pelayo, we just had an open casket funeral for this under-the-bridge dweller. All hands were on deck as the body was pushed out to sea amongst a pride-filled rendition of the Stars and Stripes. We even mssepielled his name on the epitaph. Anchors Away!

ps we tried to aim for the same stingray that got our buddy the Croc Hunter.

Posted by: MadrassasippiBurnin at September 4, 2006 3:49 PM

You don't sound smart trying to make up shit like that. You just sound ill-educated and childish.

Posted by: Eisenhund

Yes, Sam is an example of what europe is producing. Lefty-liberal, champagne socialist acitivist PRATS that march along side the islamofacists every chance they get.

Sam is a victim of lefty-liberal, pc, anti-American, anti-Israeli, pro-arab media who are too stupid to 'get it'.

Sam will not wake up to the truth...no matter how much you show him/her, because Sam's type prefer to hate and like to think of themselves as 'superior'. It's simply youthful rebellion and ignorance.

Posted by: The Goobs at September 4, 2006 4:07 PM

Goobs, Sam is that guy on the hijacked airliner saying, "Can I get you guys some coffee or perhaps a soft drink for the long flight?" as the hijack team pulls the dead, headless pilots out of the cockpit and targets the nearest American office tower. As he delivers the refreshments to the death pilots he asks, "When are we gonna get there?" In the final approach to the skyscraper Sam may finally realize that the jihad pilots didn't care what political party he supported or how much he worshipped the Clinton-Carter culture. All he knows is he's another dead infidel.

Posted by: MadrassasippiBurnin at September 4, 2006 4:14 PM

-The Goobs,

Yeah, in a previous thread he was spewing Marxist buzzwords like a lawn sprinkler(1), so I threw the "Gramscian" grenade at him(2).

I think the reference was lost on him.

Posted by: Eisenhund at September 4, 2006 4:36 PM

Eisenhund said

And before you go foaming at the mouth, it is not an anti-Liberal/Leftist/Democrat site either.

Ah, yes. What could possibly give one that idea? Foaming at the mouth. Right. Got it.

Its good to see the focus in this thread is on "informing, learning, and exchanging ideas about ... islam".

Posted by: special_guest at September 4, 2006 4:50 PM

Naseem -

Your suggestion to "convert to Islam" as a way for a journalist to save their hide may be an option for some, but it is NOT an option for me. As I've said before, they can have my head, but they will never have my heart -- that belongs to Jesus Christ.

Posted by: champ at September 4, 2006 5:02 PM

Ah, yes. What could possibly give one that idea? Foaming at the mouth. Right. Got it.

Its good to see the focus in this thread is on "informing, learning, and exchanging ideas about ... islam".

Posted by: special_guest

AWWW look everyone....he's/she's changed their posting name!!!....how sweet!

By the way....the..."RIGHT...GOT IT"...gives away that you are a Brit. Go march in a London parade....again.

Posted by: The Goobs at September 4, 2006 5:20 PM

Eisenhund take a breath and take a break, this site is named Jihad Watch and us "Islamophobic" Jihad Watchers come in many flavors and hues, not all of us are Braindead neo con Bushbots, FREEPERS or LGF'ers or any other supernumerary of the RNC.

Dumbo is obviously an intense anti Jihadi so why should he go to another site, and why in the world would you run off him and any other antiJihadi..because they don't share your particular ideological and religious prejudices?

I'm a Goldwater conservative and that makes me in the words of John Dean (not Howard Dean) somewhat to the left of todays "proto fascists" (as he calls them) that has usurped and coopted the once proud Republican Party.. I always abhorred the denizens of the Democratic Party but to be sure, in these days I find them preferable company to the "proto fascists" (in the words of John Dean) that now own the Republican Party.

Regardless of ideology (of which I have none in purist form)..I and dumbo and other critics of this lame ass administration are anti Jihad and speaking for myself an Islamophobe.

If you don't want my help, the Muslims will always be glad to accept assistance.

Posted by: Nariz at September 4, 2006 6:30 PM

Ukranian crime bosses and devout muslims, a marriage made in Hell.

Posted by: Bohemond_1069 at September 4, 2006 8:31 PM

>>>

My prediction?: Osama Bin Laden will be captured by Canadian troops...

Posted by: Islamisbad

>>>>

Oh,, yeah,,,

I hope THIS prediction comes to fruition!!

whoohooo

from a kanuck

in dar al harb

Posted by: solsticewitch13 at September 4, 2006 8:38 PM

-Nariz,

I'm not sure where you saw that I implied or stated that this is a site for "Braindead neo con Bushbots, FREEPERS or LGF'ers or any other supernumerary of the RNC". I made it quite clear that I don't think that this is the site for railing against one side or another (except jihadi mohammedans). If you want to take the fact that I was addressing someone with obviously anti-Right/Conservative/whatever views as an endorsement of the latter, well that would be in your head. That kind of "if you're not with us, you're with the evil other guys" thinking, between the two of us, seems to reside entirely within your skull. The only groups in which I have ever claimed membership were the US Army, the citizenry of the United States, and my own Scottish clan.

In case you haven't already, you may want to go back and look at Dumbo's previous postings. He rarely posts anything about the topic at hand, preferring instead to rant about Conservatives, Republicans, "Xtians", and anyone else he doesn't like (oddly enough, he seldom mentions mohammedans in his tirades) while liberally tossing out the word "fascist" at anyone who says anything that rubs his fur the wrong way like a teenager or the King at the Mardi Gras parade flinging bead necklaces to party-goers.

Maybe you and others haven't noticed, but I don't defend any side when I take issue with what someone says (unless it's a particularily vile anti-American blamefest), nor do I attack entire groups (besides mohammedans, of course). I go after the individual for what that particular person says. I may have in the past, but that is the past. I am able to adapt, something I learned when the plans didn't work after people started shooting at me.

I have also never once on this site espoused any ideological, party, or religious affiliation. Whatever preferences I may or may not have have nothing to do with what I think about mohammedanism or jihad and I feel no need to divulge them. However you feel about these things, quite frankly, has no impact on me and is irrelevant as far as I'm concerned as long as we're on the same sheet regarding the common threat. Constant generalizations about one side or the other and attacks on the same do not serve any of us, and, as I've already said, where I may've been guilty of indulging in that behavior before, I try not to now, nor am I compelled to lash out or make a smartass remark every time I read something I don't like (at least, not as much as I used to).

My main point was, if you don't like the Administration, "Dubya", Conservatives, Republicans, Liberals, Leftists, Communists, homosexuals, Wiccans, or Frisbeeterians, who cares? Blaming a pet hated group for everything under the sun doesn't get a person anywhere, especially when they use this space to vent their disdain to the exclusion of addressing the common enemy. There are other sites for that, and if one can't find one, nobody is stopping one from starting a page to air those views. I'm not responsible for enacting the "no hobbyhorsing" ordinance. That would be Messrs. Spencer and Fitzgerald, and currently enforced by Marisol (sorry, I don't know your surname or the proper form of address). If you have an issue with that policy, I suggest you contact one of the above.

I have neither the time nor the inclination to go after everyone who shows even the slightest divisive, confrontational streak. I read plenty of blame Bush/blame Conservatives/blame the Left/blame Liberals postings and don't respond to most of them. However, when someone chooses to make that kind of without any relevance to the focus of JihadWatch, I may exercise my right to say something about it, just like anyone else can, if I feel like it (sometimes I do, sometimes I don't, in any case, that's my business). Much like I suspect you feel, I'm not here to make friends if that interferes with exposing, foiling, or fighting the cultists and slavers. If that's a problem for anyone, too damned bad.

I would encourage or cajole people to keep their eye on the ball instead of worrying about what uniforms the other guys/gals in the dugout are wearing.

I hope that clears some things up.

(And I think islamaphobe is probably not the accurate term. Probably something more like "misislamist" or "misomohammedan". No fear, just an intense dislike.)

Now, I may just take that suggested breath.

Posted by: Eisenhund at September 4, 2006 11:40 PM

Ah, special_guest, the twit with wit.

Bravo on your masterful application of cut-and-paste and html skills in crafting a masterpiece of irony and biting commentary! I stand in awe of your supra-luminal intellect and am humbled by your attention to my lowly missive.

Once again, sir, bravo!

Posted by: Eisenhund at September 5, 2006 1:23 AM

"However, when someone chooses to make that kind of statement without any relevance to the focus of JihadWatch,..."

Better.

Posted by: Eisenhund at September 5, 2006 2:41 AM

-americaningermany,

I'm glad you enjoy them. I've been having a grand time watching you launch cruise missiles into the hulls of people who paint bull's-eyes on their rhetorical ships myself! You always seem to do it with an accuracy and ferocity that leaves them floundering.

But yeah, I have too much to do to argue with people that are concerned more about the color of the fire engine than whether or not it can put out the blaze in their children's upstairs bedroom. This petty partisanship and people using this forum to nit-pick and attack their perceived ideological rivals rather than their enemies, something they persist on doing after being warned many times by the owners and staff, grew tiresome. Some people come around for the sole purpose of stirring things up. A few do it to provoke thought, most do it to start a fight, either for attention or so they can prove how smart they think they are to everyone else. The latter group, while pathetic, is boring and only motivates me to see what's on the television or to go read postings about scope rings and barrel finishes on the snipercountry.com site. And yes, the latter is a "professional" interest. Divisive fools are most often better off ignored rather than...ah...engaged, although watching a blissfully unaware target through a reticle does have its entertainment value.

The whole Right vs. Left, Democratic vs. Republican, Conservative vs. Liberal, Atheist vs. Christian thing, anymore, barely provokes more than a yawn and a desire to find the remote coupled with a hope of seeing an H(ugh)-bomb dropped out of the clouds onto the heads of the riders in the Hobbyhorse Derby.

Posted by: Eisenhund at September 5, 2006 8:00 AM

The Times article sounds like it's straight out of the CIA/MI6 disinformation machine. Face it, Robert, you're just an islamophobe.

Posted by: greengorilla at September 6, 2006 11:19 PM

Goobs,
If you were talking about the plane crash in West Virginia,the cause was simply pilot error, no more, no less. The pilots made a rookie mistake and let comlpacency kill them along with a load of passengers. They aren't the first, nor will they be the last pilots to be confused enough to line up on the wrong runway.
All planes have a standby compass and a primary heading system. When you line up on the runway , you cross-check the compass heading with the runway heading to make sure everything is working correctly before takeoff. These guys didn't do it and it got a bunch of people killed.
That's the reason I quit flying in the military and refused to fly after retirement. Today's pilots totally rely on that big video game screen in front of them and don't keep prepared for real emergencies. There are some good older pilots around but then there are ......

Posted by: cactus at September 8, 2006 1:24 AM