"wrong information" ?
What would that be , exactly . Facts are facts , period . Am I to assume that wrong information is facts not in favour of their intended message ?
The threat to those who would tell the truth is clearly stated.

Posted by: WeatherPermitting at September 4, 2006 10:32 AM

Maybe it would further our cause much better if ALL journalists were withdrawn or forced to leave Afghanistan.

Why report what the enemy want to say? There should be a total blackout in the western media. Personally I am not interested in listening to the lies and threats from these savages.

Posted by: Turbinehead at September 4, 2006 10:37 AM

They should force them to convert before tying to kill them.

Posted by: Ronin at September 4, 2006 10:39 AM

Sorry this is off topic...but why did this explosion at a Chicago train station on Saturday get ignored by our media? Why did I have to find this on a Canadian site?

http://www.canadafreepress.com/2006/hagmann090206.htm

Could it be that our lefty-liberal media do not want to report terrorism in the US because of the upcoming elections? We had better keep our eyes open folks...because the foxes are guarding the chickens.

Posted by: The Goobs at September 4, 2006 10:41 AM

More savagery from the cult of Islam.

Posted by: mlr at September 4, 2006 10:46 AM

Jihad alert. Tourists fired on in Jordan:

http://today.reuters.com/news/articlenews.aspx?type=topNews&storyID=2006-09-04T115447Z_01_L04200624_RTRUKOC_0_US-JORDAN-SHOOTING.xml&WTmodLoc=NewsHome-C1-topNews-8

Posted by: amana39 at September 4, 2006 10:52 AM

We have the Islamic right to kill...

This is the primary Islamic right, but don't forget about other fundamental Islamic rights, such as the Islamic right to slavery, theft, pedophilia, lying, breaking contracts with non-Moslems, and more.

These are all rights unique to Islam.

* 33:21 ** 33:21 ** 33:21 ** 33:21 ** 33:21 ** 33:21 ** 33:21 ** 33:21 ** 33:21 *

We have the Islamic right to kill these journalists and media.

Don't know how to kill a medium, but to see how to kill journalists look up the Holy Sunnah the sacred and holy Islamic scriptures and find your way to the night-murders of one sleeping Abu Afak and one sleeping (and nursing) Asma Marwan.

While I'm sure that Mullah Dadullah Taliban military commander is intense, and hairy, and angry, and deeply offended, and treacherous, and murderous, but let's give Mullah Dadullah (what a grotesque name) that...

... he's a good Moslem only doing his Islamic duty. Ain't nothing crazy about that, in the conventional sense at least.

Posted by: Alarmed Pig Farmer at September 4, 2006 11:16 AM

Stopthem....

I too am a news junkie. I only happened across this information by accident.

The question we need to ask is this...

Did the lefty-liberal media (who hate Bush) keep this silent because of the upcoming elections OR did the government keep it quiet for other reasons?

Is it possible that our government could have that kind of control over the lefty-liberal media?

HMMMMMMMMMMMMM

Posted by: The Goobs at September 4, 2006 11:21 AM

It will be necessary to have twenty thousand American troops in Afghanistan for the next hundred years.

It is time to reevaluate our strategy.

Unlike our presence in Europe during the Cold War, this will be one long, continuous battle of verying intensity.

Posted by: Pelayo at September 4, 2006 11:28 AM

Another good article. Are they testing? Robert has commented on the duties of all in Jihad, as well as Walid:

http://www.washtimes.com/national/20060904-122238-5164r.htm

And for the Germans and German Americans: Go Schalke!

Posted by: amana39 at September 4, 2006 11:28 AM

I dont usually re-post to correct typos, but I need to say "varying."

Posted by: Pelayo at September 4, 2006 11:29 AM

Alert...for all news junkies...

Truckload of explosives sought by police

http://www.floridatoday.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20060903/BREAKINGNEWS/60903005/1086

Posted by: The Goobs at September 4, 2006 11:46 AM

"From today, I want to tell journalists that if in future they use wrong information from coalition forces or NATO we will target those journalists and media,"

Just taking note of what has worked so well for the Palestinian Arabs over the last six years of the intefada. Mohammed said war is deceit and 1300 years later, Jihadists -- though outmanned and outgunned on the battlefield -- have mastered the art of modern propaganda.

Enthusiastic and highly-skilled enablers like Steve Centanni and Olaf Wiig lend their sympathies and technical skills to produce reports, raw video , and photographs that present only one side of the story, i.e., Israeli military operations in Gaza, while self-censoring the other side of the story, i.e., the launching of Qassam rockets into residential communities that preceded the operation. And legions of the most sophisticated and highly trained European news producers, writers, editors, and television correspondents -- Reuters, AFP, BBC -- assemble the finished product for consumption by lazy and gullible Western audiences.

Goebbels would be envious.

Posted by: Charles Martel at September 4, 2006 11:49 AM

Yes; I wonder what Ibrahim Hooper might make of all this? Hiding, I suppose.

Prophet Geoff

Posted by: Geoff at September 4, 2006 11:50 AM

"Islamic right"....that is a phrase I never want to hear in the US.

Posted by: Carolyn2 at September 4, 2006 11:51 AM

"I'm sure that Mullah Dadullah Taliban military commander is intense, and hairy, and angry, and deeply offended, and treacherous, and murderous ..." - Alarmed Pig Farmer

You got that right. Check him out.
http://jamestown.org/terrorism/news/uploads/576dadullah.jpg

He probably has the mainstream media working on a 'Taliban friendly' story already. You know, the poor innocent victim of the Western media type of story. Heck, he might even get invited to speak at the National Cathedral one day. Something is totally wrong when human delinquents like this are allowed to hide behind women and children and thrive in a neighboring 'allied' country. Please find him and execute him. It is a war after all.

Posted by: Kreuzueber Halbmond at September 4, 2006 12:08 PM

The universal muslim way of achieving your goals: threats, lies and praying to Allah. I'm reminded of that Simpsons episode with the motorcycle gang. One guy is complaining that he can't get his clothes clean. He explains that he'd tried EVERYTHING. He's tried killing them, robbing them, stabbing them, etc. The clothes just won't obey.

In moderate muslim organizations such as CAIR those three are present as well, but the threats are a little more veiled. And the fact that they describe themselves as moderate and have such a following among (so called) moderate muslims is a strong indication that there in fact is no such thing as moderate muslims.

ALL self-described moderate muslims that I've seen support hamas and hizbollah and claims Bush is "the worlds greatest terrorist", and so on. If that's a moderate muslim, we don't want them. Take your barbarism and go home to your caves.

Posted by: XY at September 4, 2006 12:10 PM

WeatherPermitting
Maybe it would further our cause much better if ALL journalists were withdrawn or forced to leave Afghanistan.

I totally agree. I would like to add Iraq to that also. Then take the restrictions off the military and turn them loose to do what the military is sent in to do. You can’t win a war by restricting the military and turning the PC biased media loose to raise havoc on the battlefield.

Posted by: THSIMJ at September 4, 2006 12:20 PM

Halbmomb, regarding the photo of Mullah Dadullah posted at...

http://jamestown.org/terrorism/news/uploads/576dadullah.jpg

.... all I can say is that my description of this Taliban fighter was prescient. This is one fine looking Moslem, in the intensely hairy anger that is the fashion of Moslem Men. This dude's right from Central Casting. Damn.

Posted by: Alarmed Pig Farmer at September 4, 2006 12:21 PM

I guess the BBC journalists had better watch out then.

Oh...hang on...

Posted by: Ginro at September 4, 2006 12:26 PM

An "Islamic right to kill".

Boy, that's a mouthful. I have rights in this country - pretty much spelled out in the Constitution - and implied in the Declaration of Independence. I know I have a right to defend myself (despite the UN rhetoric otherwise) and I have the right to free speech (and thanks to the blogosphere, more of that). But I have never seen the written, implied, or even suggested "right to kill". Anywhere. Not in our Constitution or anyone else's.
Only in 7th Century Islam thinking would someone like Mullah Dadullah want this be stated. But this discussion will only be on the blogs - antique media will see it as "inflammatory", and simply pass over it. Not the statement - just the discussion. It might bias the democratically governed (by choice) into thinking that there's something about Islam that is not beautiful.

Mullah Dadullah
Who's such a foola
Calling for death
Of all the newsah's
He can't win the fight
He has no might
Calling for death
While ducking a strike

Well, I digress......

Posted by: tblubrd at September 4, 2006 12:33 PM

As much as I hate to be branded a hate monger the press is not on our side. I say let them have them. Do not let our military be placed at risk to save any reporter stupid enough to get close enough to the enemy to get captured.

Posted by: Ronin at September 4, 2006 12:38 PM

Journalists covering the Middle East can be divided into seven groups:

1) Those who are afraid of Muslim threats, express or implied. Long before the Dadullah threats, journalists covering the Arab-Israeli dispute from Gaza or the West Bank were made well aware that they had better play ball; ditto those reporting from southern Lebanon recently.

2) Those who sympathize with the Arabs and Muslims and who, in turn, can be divided into the antisemites (who naturally have a higher representation in those involved in such coverage -- they even seek it out, naturally gravitate to it -- and the anti-American brigade, and of course these two groups naturally reinforce, support, and overlap.

3) Those who know nothing about the history of Islam and the Middle East, and are easily swayed by what they see before them -- those aggrieved Arab or "Palestinian" faces and tales of woe. Knowing nothing of the history of the area, not merely the history of previous wars, but the actual demographic and castral history, knowing nothing of Islam, having no context whatever, they are easy prey for the Arab propgagandists. Of course this group of the ignorant who remain wilfully ignorant also includes some, but not all, of those in Groups #1 and #2.

4) Those who know very little but are willing, slowly, to begin to find out. This very small group may actually, over time, begin to realize the influence of Islam on the beliefs, attitudes, and atmospherics of those who grow up in societies suffused with Islam.

5) Those who constitute a subset of Group #4, and who are even able to begin to figure out the motivation for such islamochristians as Hanan Ashrawi and Naim Ateek.

6) Those who have in fact once posted to the Middle East, and who begin to read, to study, to fill in all the gaps -- not linguistic gaps so much as gaps in their knowledge. These people may even go so far as to investigate what minds on Islam, or minds of islamochristians who often share or reflect minds on Islam, and to begin, often after their tours of duty are over, what it all means. This group is very small.

7) Those who understand perfectly the role of Islam as the defining feature of Muslim life, and who may in their reporting may actually do semi-justice or even justice to the Israeli attempt, often awkward, not well-explained, imperfectly understood by most Israelis (who contrary to rumor, are not much cleverer in this regard than any population of Western Infidels anywhere else, though one keeps wanting to believe that in fact they do know more. They don't, alas.), to resist what the Israelis themselves do not call, and do not recognize, as an implacable Lesser Jihad, a Lesser Jihad that is conducted by means of all the instruments of Jihad (and this is quite instructive for other Infidels, facing a similar problem from the Muslim presence in their midst). Some of those conducting Jihad are adherents of the Slow Jihad, wishing to use diplomacy and attempts to break America's support for Israel in the same way that support for Israel in Western Europe was broken, in order to force the Israelis ever back into ever-more vulnerable borders, without control of invasion routes, without control of the aquifers on which Israeli life depends, and put constantly on the defensive. Others conducting Jihad are adherents of the Fast Jihad -- no nonsense, no sweet and plausible words, not nearly as much about the "Palestinian people" and their "legimitate rights" and far more about Islam and the Arabs, and the outrage that Infidels, and yahudin at that, should be able to maintain their own sovereign state on territory once part of Dar al-Islam. Of course, in the end, whether Infidels live in Infidel states or territories called Israel, or Spain, or Sicily, or Bulgaria, or Greece or Rumania or most of the Balkans, or much of France and mainland Italy, may have a certain theoretical priority in what must be taken for Islam. But sinc ethe entire world must submit to Islam, since Muslims must rule everywhere, Infidels who are relieved to think that they will come last, should not be so relieved. It is entirely unclear, for example, that Spain will necessarily be the object of a Muslim takeover before France -- even if Al-Andalus should, theoretically, come first.

Do any journalists in the Western world know this? Does Tom Friedman, who if he knows anything at all is supposed to know about the Middle East? Isn't that what brought him fame, and that Pulitzer Prize, and that job as a columnist which someone of intelligence, knowledge, and wit could do so much with? Isn't that the subject that allows him, essentially, to charge business groups, eager to "understand" the world, and to derive that understanding from that Great Man Tom Friedman, some $45,000 per lecture? And his colleague Nicholas Kristof, the one who is so ostentatiously impassioned about "the tragedy of Darfur" but who has not shown the slighest recognition of how the Arab assault on non-Arab Muslims fits into Islam, how it reveals so well the Arab supremacist ideology within Islam, nor does Kristof give any signs of recognizing the role of Islam in the assault on Israel (a country for which his want of sympathy and understanding is palpable, perhaps most when he chooses to lecture and hector Israel as to what it must and must not do).

Those are the "journalists" -- the mere reporters who never learned to report on anything except what is in front of their noses, and which they could not, and can not, make sense of -- for they know so little, are so uneducated, and while they have all the time in the world, they prefer to deliver those lectures than to sit at home and read a bit, and begin to comprehend that world that they presume to have opinions about, that they dare to instruct us about.

Posted by: Hugh at September 4, 2006 12:49 PM

Ronin said

the press is not on our side

What I can't figure out is, what side are they on? They don't even seem to be on their own side. Even after they are kidnapped, threatened with death, forced to convert to Islam at gunpoint, they still sing the praises of the Religion of Peace (tm).

Okay, so maybe they are just trying to be inclusive and politically correct, or they are not educated about Islam, or their corporate owners are based on the Arabian Peninsula; but if nothing else, you'd think that the motivation of self-preservation would take over at some point. I guess not.

Posted by: special_guest at September 4, 2006 12:53 PM

The Taliban only had use for the media when it sent those two suicide bombers cloaked as 'reporters' to assassinate Shah Massood two days prior to 9/11. Since then their bearded spokesman and Mullah Omar have been relegated to a life on the run, swapping caves for virgins along the Khyber Pass. I'm sure they've been enforcing the 'No Kite Fly' zone as well.

So it's not surprising to finally hear some vocalized we're-being-neglected anger at the media coming from the Halls of Islamazuma. I predict that some in the media will downplay this as a 'simple misunderstanding' between the cultures or a 'miscommunication' based on anti-American rage fomented by Bush's wanton use of his mid-Atlantic hurricane machine.

But alas, after seeing what a tremendous job the US media did to exaggerate and inflate the violence and body count of Katrina'd Superdome/Convention Center mobs in New Orleans, I can understand Dude-ollah's concerns!

Posted by: MadrassasippiBurnin at September 4, 2006 1:03 PM

Special G,

Clerks are order-takers and yesmen. Most journos are overpaid clerks. Most lawyers are overpaid journalists. Lawyers run the federal bureaucracy at the middle and upper management levels. Therefore, the US government is run by.... clerks.

This would explain the elevation of lawyers cum journalists and the like to high governmental positions. Which then explains why our war on terror (it pains me to even call it that) is run with the political sensitivities of a global diversity conference. Hence the confusion amongst journos about who they are and what their role is. Film at 11.

Posted by: MadrassasippiBurnin at September 4, 2006 1:25 PM

alarmed pig farmer wrote:

.... all I can say is that my description of this Taliban fighter was prescient. This is one fine looking Moslem, in the intensely hairy anger that is the fashion of Moslem Men. This dude's right from Central Casting. Damn.

your description was perfect except for one additional thing - he probably smells badly too - nothing that a little pig urine/feces would not improve...

Posted by: religion of(blown to)pieces at September 4, 2006 1:29 PM

"We have the Islamic right to kill these journalists and media"

This is the kind of "Rights" that demented, insecure Muslims want, instead of the inalienable rights reflected in the Bill of Rights: the rights to life, liberty, property, due process under law, trial by a jury of one's peers, the writ of habeas corpus, etc.-all that would be replaced by sharia law. Sick minds, Ibrahim Hooper-CAIR minds, minds that flee any extended contact with logic and reality, that race from questions, that flee from anything that would uncover the contradictions, the inconsistencies of sharia law, they want to bring this dungeon of bad judgement and self-deception to all. It is good for the rest of us, that because of their bad judgement, they do not see the hammer coming down on them, any more than Hitler and the Nazis saw the hammer coming down on them.

Posted by: Frank at September 4, 2006 1:37 PM

I agree with Ronin:
I support the Islamic Right to Kill the media fiLthcolumnists.

Of course this is sarcastic, but a war between the islamic imperialists and the subversive commies of our media and universities would be really welcome for a change.

Unluckily, Chavez will keep on helping hizb'allah and the pinkos of Hollywood will keep on helping the stoners of women, and the media will keep calling MILITANTS the ones who want to behead all of us.

Posted by: POITIERS-LEPANTO at September 4, 2006 1:38 PM

Why do all you people waste your time posting here? It matters not whether a comment is the usual semiliterate, drooling rant or the prolix, pretentious pomposity of Hugh Fitzgerald. Don't you get it? NO ONE IS LISTENING!

The decisions have all been made. There will be no restrictions on Muslim immigration. What will you do about it? What will you do when the bombings of shopping malls and schools begin in ernest? What will you do when random poisoning of food in supermarkets and random drive-by shootings occur? I can tell you - you will huddle in your houses and beg for someone to protect you. In only 50 years, the United States has been feminized to the point that it really deserves to die. And die it will.

Don't worry, be happy!

Viva El Presidente Jorge bin Jorge al-Bush!

Islam is a religion of peace!

Allahu akbar!

Posted by: Norseman at September 4, 2006 2:02 PM

I've just listened to the ITN News, and after what I've heard, it is hard to fathom why the Taliban would want to kill our journalists. They've become the Taliban's mouthpiece. And that news has just made it sound as if we're losing the war over in Afghanistan, as well as in Iraq. No mention of the fact that the Taliban suffered 200 dead in the last day. And the biggest recruiting sergeant for the terrorists is the belief that they're winning - a belief that is continuously being given to them by our media - that same media here in Britain which gives every impression of wanting us to lose over there. Looking back, heaven knows what would have happened to us had television and the present day MSM been around during World Wars I and II, and they'd been reporting the latest action from the Somme back in 1916 or the fall of Singapore in 1942. Who would have needed a Lord Haw Haw, a Tokyo Rose or a Mata Hari back then.

Posted by: Spirit Of 1683 at September 4, 2006 2:03 PM

God you muslims are stupid. No one listens? Robert gets more TV time than the taliban. Don't worry about our so called leaders, elections are coming. We can replace ours, you are a slave to yours. No one listens? Ha, even I get hacked for my posts, ok, they try, so far just script kiddies with no real skills but It is fun. I know why I do it, why do you? Shouldn't you be jihading something, coward. I did my time sending your brothers to allah. Know what? They cry like babies as they die, screaming and twisting in the dirt just like snakes. I saw a Christen die with a smile on his face reaching up to the sky. That told me all I needed to know. Allah achoo to you too ackmed.

Posted by: Ronin at September 4, 2006 2:12 PM

We have the Islamic right to kill...
well according to Richard CLarke (Democrat) it is only a tiny tiny minortiy of muslims who feel this way.
maybe to make the taliban happy they can group all the dead taliban monsters in fives and take pictures of them piles high, and send them off in a Hindu burial fashion.

Posted by: ZenaWarriorPrincess at September 4, 2006 2:14 PM

I always thought war was propaganda too! Journalist are not the Red Cross, so I guess they have to be armed and careful too?

What's interesting is to see how Russia and Ukraine are involved in weapon secrets going to future enemies of America. Is this why G.W. objected to Russia's entrance into the WTO - July 23rd.? If you don't bring them into the circle, I'm sure, more technology will be arming our enemies in the future. And this, is not a good picture.

Posted by: Jeff at September 4, 2006 2:14 PM

Why would the Taliban need our media to recruit terrorists? Islamic countries don't allow western media to be broadcast there. The un-Islamic and corrupt information therein would harm their citizens. They have their own pro-jihad media to get the message across. The old USSR would be proud of them.

Posted by: aynrandgirl at September 4, 2006 2:16 PM

Hugh, my sister is a journalist at the Sun Times as is her husband. I've been around journalists a long time. This leads me to believe there is additional grups who permeate most of your categories:

Group 8. Dummies. Most are C students who are quite lazy with the brain. Sloth plus stupid will get you far in journalism.

Group 9. Liberals. Nothing wrong with that on its face. I share many of their beliefs from a social standpoint at least. But most of this clan hate anything conservative . . . from the Gipper to W to everything in between.

Posted by: biorabbi at September 4, 2006 2:17 PM

Why report what the enemy want to say? There should be a total blackout in the western media. Personally I am not interested in listening to the lies and threats from these savages. You hit the nail on the head!

Now the real question is: "Is it real, or is it Reuters"

Posted by: Iranaway at September 4, 2006 2:23 PM

No democratically elected muslim terrorist has ever attacked The west. Yet democratically elected governments continue to attack and kill thousands of civilians.You voted Bush and Blair back into power despite knowing they were lying murderers. in contrast, the muslims dont even know whose about to commit terrorism in their name, yet alone vote for them. So consider this, the 54 dead in London, was tragic as is all death of civilians, however get over it coz it pales in comparison, when compared to
> ten years of sanctions in Iraq, which murdered 500000 Iraqi children
>the 100000 dead due to your two illegal wars
> years of stealing and interfering in muslim lands

Posted by: uncle sam at September 4, 2006 2:29 PM

Robert D. Kaplan the writer of Imperial Grunts is one of the few I respect.

Hugh said it best, There are journalists and mere reporters. I did not see a catagory for the ones who just make up the news.

Posted by: Ronin at September 4, 2006 2:31 PM

Assalamau-Laikum all,

I am a little surprised by this...but the British are well known for their spin. Last Centuary they could sell ice to eskimos, sand to the arabs and cotton ot the indians.

The Taliban are wise to this tactic, know about the disaster that befell their beautiful cotton industry ...indeed forcing them to turn to poppy growth to live.

Now they are at it again...and that is kinda hard to take.

So this explains it all....please ask your jourlists to be careful or atleast to convert.

Posted by: Naseem at September 4, 2006 2:32 PM

NORSEMAN WRITES:

----Why do all you people waste your time posting here? It matters not whether a comment is the usual semiliterate, drooling rant or the prolix, pretentious pomposity of Hugh Fitzgerald. Don't you get it? NO ONE IS LISTENING!

The decisions have all been made---

No doubt about this last point, BUT:

- The discussion will educate a new generation of Westerners and Free People from all over the world

- The dictatorship of the left over information-news-history-philosophy-ethics has been cracked by Internet and this is a strategic factor

- Sharing info is the first element in any kind of warfare and since islamic imperialism is waging a world war against the Free World we can organize the first elements of the CCC + I (Command, Control, Communications plus Intelligence)that is at the core of any possible ROLL BACK and RECONQUISTA

- if the politicians, the media, the "intellectuals" have already been bought by the oil money, WE THE PEOPLE have not been bought and we own the Country

- the penetration of the invaders worked so well in Europe because it happened WITHOUT any public discussion, in years in which Internet did not exist, we can avoid this in America and in other Countries

- when the muslims will start the rioting and the bombing INSIDE America, a significant minority will be able to discuss LEGAL ways to defend the Communities

- the British Empire at the top of its power could not break a few Colonists, the muslims have zero chances of breaking America today: the worse they will behave the worse will be the answer

This is a first answer. There could be much more to say.

Regards

Posted by: POITIERS-LEPANTO at September 4, 2006 2:43 PM

Anyway people i hope you aint forgotten me, im gona go and eat a nice SALAD BOWL

Posted by: uncle sam at September 4, 2006 2:47 PM

I live in Tampa and can easily see why muslim women cover themselves. Walk down Bayshore Blvd any time of the day and you will see why islam will fail. We are not afraid to live life to its fullist nor are we worried about a few sand vipers. We step on snakes here.

Kill a few reporters if you want we only watch the atractive ones and who cares what they say, we turn the sound down.

Posted by: Ronin at September 4, 2006 2:55 PM

ten years of sanctions in Iraq, which murdered 500000 Iraqi children
>the 100000 dead due to your two illegal wars
> years of stealing and interfering in muslim lands

Posted by: uncle sam

I think your numbers are way low, we are much better shots than you give us credit for. We can't take credit for the kids though, saddam spent enough money to feed them all, he just didn't spend it on iraqi children.

Still by your own math, 600,000 is a very good start.

Posted by: Ronin at September 4, 2006 3:02 PM

Jihadist, i aint had a compliment like that for ages. But check this, after 9/11 people from 2000 miles away in LA where signing up to join the amry and got to war with the "bad guys". their devotion to their country was exploited by the Neo con Christian crusader Bush, and as such they ended up becoming the bad guys fighting in two illegal wars, against one country which had nothing to do with 9/11. On the other hand, you people are baffled by muslims leaving their homes and going to fight a justifiable Jihad against the enemy invaders of Iraq and AFghanistan. now obvioulsy some of those brave and couragous soldiers will find themselves being manipulated by the arab version of 'bush'.
Dont forget EU laws states that "armed resistance against occupation is both morally and legally lawful" and i did not see any brackets exempting muslims from this privilage.

Posted by: uncle sam at September 4, 2006 3:05 PM

Sam,

I was not one of the ones who joined after 9/11. I was fighting (and sometimes saving) muslims way before that started. Resistance is normally limited to citizens of that country and normally doesn't include killing the people who live in that country. muslims kill more muslims in iraq than all the other militaries combined. You can call it resistance if you want. We call it murder. Knock off the murder and we would leave. Truth be told your kind are much better at killing muslims than we are. Hopefully, some day we can catch up and pass your record.

Posted by: Ronin at September 4, 2006 3:14 PM

So sad that salad bowl is basically admitting that all mohammedans can do is react to everyone else's actions because they are basically too stupid and useless to ever initiate anything themselves, isn't that right uncle sham?

I have to agree. In my life, I've never met a mo that was ever worth a damn, especially when the rounds were flying. Without someone telling them what to do or something against which can respond or react, they're dumb as posts with half the utility. Don't you agree uncle sham?

So, it must be the West's fault. And the non-mo Africans' fault. And the Thais' fault. And the Indians' fault. Everyone else aggresses against the mohammedans because the latter have no initiative. They're too lazy to start anything, right saladin?

Bunch of lazy, stupid, useless, oxygen-stealing victims. Everything is everyone else's fault.
I agree with you 100%, mohammedan.

Posted by: Eisenhund at September 4, 2006 3:21 PM

Ronin, Your mistaken, however i dont blame you. First American military refuse to release figures for civilians they have killed,lost count or something to hide? Media reporting on The war in Iraq is heavily censortised(lessons learned from NAM) why, goodness, truth and courage need no manipulation. Sky news released figured of those massacred in Iraq, and according to them coalition forces had killed more civlians than the muslim terrorist. So imagine the level of deception, all that we see is muslims suicide bombers in Iraq, we never hear of those killed by coalition forces, yet its been proven that the crusading terrorist have killed more people than the bombers.

Posted by: uncle sam at September 4, 2006 3:29 PM

Eisenhund, wooowwwwsaaaaa wooooowwwsaaaaa

Posted by: uncle sam at September 4, 2006 3:32 PM

Naseem, The cotton industry in Afghanistan was a state owned enterprise. I'm not surprised that it failed.

Posted by: Pelayo at September 4, 2006 3:36 PM

Re: "uncle sam"/"saladin"

The "salad" bar is closed; i.e., he's been blocked due to his off-topic rants on multiple threads.

Posted by: MarisolJW at September 4, 2006 3:36 PM

Naseem Said...

"..please ask your jourlists to be careful or atleast to convert. "

Naseem, you first. You go ahead and convert to a different religion, then let us all know how it works out for ya. OK?

Posted by: samhein at September 4, 2006 3:41 PM

Awww. And I was going to write a response to him. Something like:

Was that idiotic response supposed to be condescending or something? You'd need to take a space shuttle ride to even get up to my level as an evolved, educated being, so don't even try.

Your attempted comebacks are just childish and clumsy, at best.

But I guess now I can't, so I won't.

Posted by: Eisenhund at September 4, 2006 3:42 PM

Naseem, the cotton industry has turned out so many beautiful burkas!

Posted by: MadrassasippiBurnin at September 4, 2006 3:43 PM

This intimidation is why I don't like Islam and have no respect for it. Islam thrives on threats, bullying and intimidation. It's a game for these Jihadist maggots. Islam is not interested in truth. Islam is only interested in raw power and dominating others. In living parasitically off more intelligent, harder working peoples. Via Jizya, via being welfare bums in Europe, via thievery here (USA) and via other means too. A Muslim gang was arrested the other day that dealt in stolen baby formula.

6 Men Charged In Black Market Trading Of Baby Formula

Posted by: dennisw at September 4, 2006 3:43 PM

Hey Salad Bar,
If you are a muslim, 'intelligent discussion' is really out of the question (it is true if you are leftist too). Man are you crazy or what? Justifiable Jihad, Intelligent Discussion (coming from a muslim) oxymoron after oxymoron fom you moron. It is not US, it is not UK, it is not India, it is not Malaysia, but, it is Islam that has to be blamed for most anything that is wrong in this world. Are you not ashamed to call ur self a muslim (that is if you are), after knowing what Muhammad was like and how he lived his life? Inspite of knowing his life, if you call yourself a mulsim, I place the lives of muslims like you some where between living and non-living members of this universe. If you don't know, read Kuran and read Sunnah inspite of that if you say you are a muslim, then know that your IQ is so low, you shouldn't waste our time coming in here. Ok?

Posted by: SafetyFirst at September 4, 2006 3:48 PM

-dennisw,

Baby formula, because they don't have the balls to traffic in anything else that might step on the toes of other mobs, mafias, mafiyas, gangs, posses, yakuzas, or triads that would be far less tolerant of their crap than the State Department.

Posted by: Eisenhund at September 4, 2006 3:50 PM

sam,

Everyone we kill in iraq is a civilian we are not fighting a military. Btw, many from my old outfit are back in iraq and call often. It seems the iraqis are telling them where to find the terrorists. Is it possible all iraqis are crusaders? Nah, they know who the murders are and they want them out of iraq. My buddies tell me the average iraqi loves them and helps them often at great risk to themselves and families. Maybe you should take a trip into the box and see for yourself. You might change your mind about us crusaders and join our noble efforts to once again save muslims from themselves.

Posted by: Ronin at September 4, 2006 3:50 PM

I agree with the trolls: we should have never put our boots on the ground in Afghanistan and Iraq, we should have bombed to smithereens any trace of those dictatorial regimes and armies and then abandoned those countries to the only thing the muslims can do: kill, in this case kill each other.

Instead we made the mistake of freeing them and freeing a muslim is exactly like freeing a tiger, you are gonna regret it.

And today instead of protecting the paleos with our "ceasefire" orders, who only help hizb'aldevil to rearm, we should allow Israel to get rid of all the nazi and genocidal enemies that She has around herself.

As long as we do any good to the islamic imperialists, they will think they have a chance to conquer more, to kill more, to behead more, to stone more women, to torture more.

We should just close the immigration of invaders to the Free World and let them die of their ignorance and stupidity (not to speak about the marriages between cousins, that explain 99% of their "thoughts").

Posted by: POITIERS-LEPANTO at September 4, 2006 3:51 PM

Well, Naseem, we could become as wealthy as Bill Gates selling suicide belts to Muslims. Beats selling coals to Newcastle any day.

Posted by: Spirit Of 1683 at September 4, 2006 3:55 PM

In other words, tell the truth, pay with your life. May God grant we kill 20,000 more of these islamofascists in Iraq.

Posted by: Bohemond_1069 at September 4, 2006 3:56 PM

I think you're all wrong. SAM is one of those pathetic, lefty-liberal, champagne socialist, european prats that is disgusing him/herself as a muslim.

Pathetic Sam really...get a life.

Posted by: The Goobs at September 4, 2006 3:58 PM

Sam probably marched alongside the islamofacists at one of the London marches. Sam is the type that will hate American out of sheer ignorance and jealousy. I met many like Sam when living in Europe.

The young THINK they know it all. Actually, all they know is what their pathetic media and lefty-liberal schools have taught them.

It's so 'cool' to be political. So very in. Then someday Sam will grow up and find that he/she's been an idiot.

Posted by: The Goobs at September 4, 2006 4:01 PM

Speaking of the media and Afghanistan, do you remember Ernie and Burt, the Cookie Monster, and Grover?

I was watching Sesame Street with our new addition, and got to learn about making baskets with a nice family in Afghanistan. They were so friendly.

I think PBS is relatively safe for the moment.

Posted by: limes at September 4, 2006 4:02 PM

By the time Sam realizes the absurdity of his or her beliefs it will be too late. He or she will be lugging rocks up a hill in some re-education camp quarry in eastern Europe. Or pushing up daisies in a mass grave set aside for non-Arabs after the Islamic conquest of Europe is complete. And somehow America will be to blame.

Posted by: MadrassasippiBurnin at September 4, 2006 4:06 PM

"The top Taliban military commander on Monday said that NATO's claims to have killed more than 200 insurgents over the weekend were propaganda and warned that his men would target journalists who reported "wrong information" given by the U.S.-led coalition or NATO."

Should we return the favour? I am sure that there are journalists who do give the "right" information according to the Taliban, same medicine perhaps. Should we use Gadahn's list of praiseworthy journalists and politicians as a, well, list?

http://worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=51816

"That list includes Seymour Hersh, the investigative reporter for the New Yorker who most recently claims the U.S. directed the Israeli attack on Hezbollah in Lebanon. Two Brits are also mentioned in a favorable light by Adam Gadahn, the American spokesman for al-Qaida. They were George Galloway of the House of Commons and Robert Fisk, who writes for the London Independent.

While Gadahn was issuing the statement warning Americans of an impending attack, Galloway was also getting high marks from the terrorist group Hamas, operational allies with al-Qaida.

Hamas' Syrian-based boss, Khaled Mishaal, hailed Galloway for his courage after meeting with him in Damascus. He also thanked him for his opposition stands in the British Parliament and support for the resistance in "Palestine."

Posted by: IceDragon at September 4, 2006 4:09 PM

I just dawned on me how strange this world is. If I had met sam in iraq and not online, I would still be here blogging and he would be just another dead civilian after being pointed out by an iraqi and killed by a crusader. Strange world.

Posted by: Ronin at September 4, 2006 4:10 PM

Sam = YAWN

Posted by: The Goobs at September 4, 2006 4:11 PM

More interesting news for news junkies!

Just found this...

So then, is it just a concidence? That a REAL bomb went off at a train station on Saturday in Chicago and a hoax bomb was found at a train station in England the same day? Or it is possible that sometime more sisnister is in the works?

Hoax bomb left at train station in England

http://www.getreading.co.uk/news/2003/2003441/hoax_bomb_left_at_train_station

Posted by: The Goobs at September 4, 2006 4:26 PM

http://www.iht.com/articles/ap/2006/09/04/asia/AS_GEN_Sri_Lanka_Explosives.php

And yet ANOTHER coincidence....a truck full of explosives stopped in Sri Lanka...at the same time we are looking for a truck full of explosives in Florida.

Interesting

Posted by: The Goobs at September 4, 2006 4:36 PM

POITIERS-LEPANTO,

Thank you for your reply to Norseman.

Brushing aside *if-only-but-for-racism-that ism -this ism -in short America bashing*, it is an indisputable fact that we the infidels of the contemporary world owe our lives to Israel,America & Britain...their Army personnel and Investigating Officers and painstaking Intelligence gathering etc against awesome odds,stymied further by unwanted besottment with fairness,humane treatment of criminals,needless guilt etc.

And to Internet, this site in particular and other such allied ones.

I am reluctant to include India wholeheartedly.

Unfathomable is the fact that having suffered the most under islame slaughter never was there any no holds barred discussion, not a single movie made, only ceaseless tangoeing with atavistically incorrigible and inimical islimemuslimes.Even the territories captured were handed back to them with a lot of icing slathered on as huge amounts of money,materials,concessions etc. Our Armymen died in vain.But the majority of parasitical ungrateful indians wanted only more cricket,more tangoeing with muslimes and the smug hubris filled successive governments wanted to preen *see-how-magnanimous-we-are-who-pardon and coexist with our estranged islimemuslime brothers*.

India might bluster about "boomboom" economy which only ends up as largesse to pakibangladesh,haj subsidies and masochistic gandi ghost inspired appeasingsss....Someone trenchantly observed:
"our hindus have outstockholmed the Stockholm syndrome".

Outrageously distorted,canards filled history written by marxist goons was (is) taught.Sample this:

"tipu sultan fought valiantly along with hindus against the British to protect his(sic)motherland"

What is disturbing is, a lot of indians still delude themselves that by banding with indian homegrown islames will conquer the "imperialists"(sic).We in India are being assiduously bludgeoned on our heads George Bush and America have secret evangelising agenda.

Like Sherlock Homes's "why did not the dog bark" I ask myself "how come lots of Hindus are living luxuriously,building Temples and so forth in America & Britain. All of my relatives say they enjoy total freedom(religious too) much more than in India.Some have married Americans,yes whites, and are living happily.

Evangelising in India is being viciously done by the "converted indians" egged on by congress dynasty.Why blame America and Bush?

I am confused.Could somebody enlighten me? What is wrong with dithering India?

Posted by: Crows&Cows at September 4, 2006 4:43 PM

A lot of OT here but WTH it's labor day here with crap weather.

Newsies in Afghan (and Iraq) pretty much do not go out in the field to gather info--they file in to a briefing room and tape record what the public information officer says.

And if al-reuters can play at showing the awful truth on the ground with fauxtographs (Charles, too damn good a term) of the dead, then perhaps our military can photograph casualties as well.

In WWII and Korea, we had real photograpers and the pictures I remember are gruesome indeed. The dead of Iwo Jima are recorded for all posterity.

Which brings me to the real point--war is not meant to be limited and contained. It is meant to be hell and the winner is the side that delivers more hell than the other. We used to be pretty good at that.

Posted by: turn at September 4, 2006 5:06 PM

Crows,

India is still a developing (read: Third World) country with aspirations of global economic power. The dominant culture is rooted in Hinduism, a non-martial religion. The people don't want war or want to admit that war will bring an eventual peace. Moreover, they fail to see that engaging and succeeding in war against aggressors (i.e. jihadists in Kashmir, Pakistan, etc.) can bring great benefits in the post-war landscape. Witness the rise of the American century after WW2.

The Gandhi-esque approach worked against British colonialism, but it will falter against Islamism. To be sure it will take a huge hit to awaken the Indian people. Whereas it takes 3,000 lives lost to bring America to arms, it may take 1 million or more lives lost in India to effect the same result.

I would love to see an alliance of Europe-America-Russia-India-China in a grand pincer approach to crushing the specter of Islam on planet earth. Just take a look at a map and see what a devastating development this would be for the Muslim world. The jihadists simply would not be able to withstand the encirclement of its nations and strongholds. But I can only dream.

Posted by: MadrassasippiBurnin at September 4, 2006 5:06 PM

Convert or die......Lie or die ....something or die........ everything or die .........?

Seems that the 'religion of peace'has a real obsession with DEATH.

Posted by: n.a. palm at September 4, 2006 5:21 PM

Those who are members of the islamic cult cannot even decide who they should kill first.

Sunni vs. Shiite, Muslims vs. infidels, Muslims vs. the media, and so on, seemingly without any end in sight.

The common denominator in the cult of islam is murder. Period.

It is ridiculous to even call islam a religion, unless murder, destruction, and subjugation in the name of "Allah" can somehow be rationalized.

But of course it cannot.

Posted by: mlr at September 4, 2006 5:21 PM

norseman wrote:

The decisions have all been made. There will be no restrictions on Muslim immigration. What will you do about it? What will you do when the bombings of shopping malls and schools begin in ernest? What will you do when random poisoning of food in supermarkets and random drive-by shootings occur? I can tell you - you will huddle in your houses and beg for someone to protect you. In only 50 years, the United States has been feminized to the point that it really deserves to die. And die it will.

Don't worry, be happy!

Viva El Presidente Jorge bin Jorge al-Bush!

Islam is a religion of peace!

Allahu akbar!

Posted by: Norseman

Sounds like norseman is rooting for this...i for one will take my weapons out and defend our homeland and kill 'em all so allah can sort them out...

islam is a religion of blowing people to pieces...

radical islam means never having to say you are sorry...

Posted by: religion of(blown to)pieces at September 4, 2006 5:26 PM

Naseem your a dumb Pakistani.. there is no such thing as "Eskimos"! they name themselves as "Innuit". its like caling a black person the "N" word.. you have insulted my countrymen! for that you get wacked with on the headscarf with a koran!

Posted by: ZenaWarriorPrincess at September 4, 2006 6:09 PM

Mullah Dadullah is a brutal one-legged fanatic who loves the limelight. If I were a happy-go-lucky ignorant journalist, I wouldn't be joyriding around southern Afghanistan writing stuff against the Taliban, either. This is a guy with a razor, but not the kind used for shaving.

Can a rash of journalist kidnappings be in the offing? Where is Steve Centanni's next assignment?

Posted by: Kreuzueber Halbmond at September 4, 2006 6:10 PM

Norseman, I think you should understand that there are 35 states (I think) where citizens can legally carry a concealed firearm with a permit-that's a gun - in case firearm has too many letters.

If your warnings come to pass, I suggest that you shave, lengthen your pants, and stay away from Mosques.

Posted by: Pelayo at September 4, 2006 6:19 PM

Naseem should marry the troll "uncle sam" they are meant for each other, both are in their own twilight zone.
hey uncle sam the term "democratically elected muslim terrorist " is an oxymoron. terrorist all deserve to find their allah with the help of the Crusader. Crusader are very nice to muslim terrorists, they help them on their way to allah land. you know be careful what you wish for, all ths virgin allah promise, you know he lies like a rug, you will problably get secound rose, who looks just like hiliary clinton or madelyn uptight not to bright.

Posted by: ZenaWarriorPrincess at September 4, 2006 6:21 PM

"secound hand rose" ps l am too fast with the buttons today

Posted by: ZenaWarriorPrincess at September 4, 2006 6:22 PM

I don't think (hope) it will come down to it, but

'What the 1st Amendment taketh away, the 2nd Amendment returnith'

sure has a ring.

Posted by: limes at September 4, 2006 6:27 PM

Sounds like norseman is rooting for this...

He may not be rooting for the jihadists, but he has insulted RS and all of us many times. i don't really know where he stands.
For example:
http://www.jihadwatch.org/archives/006593.php#c99059

Posted by: Carolyn2 at September 4, 2006 6:27 PM

What I still do not understand is why the media are still on the side of these maniacs - even after being threatened in this way, even when they've seen their colleagues kidnapped and sometimes killed. I just don't comprehend it. These savages would kill them in a minute (and have done so to some of them), yet they continue to defend them, spin stories in their favor, alter photographs, even outright lie.

If someone has any insight into this completely insane and suicidal mentality, I would welcome it. Because no matter what a person's politics or beliefs, usually the instinct of self-preservation kicks in. Some of these people have seen so much - certainly more than we have - and yet they continue in this insanity. Do they WANT to die? Do they WANT the free countries that they come from to be destroyed by these monsters? If I could live my life over again, I would become a journalist so I could have that kind of influence and power over the information that is put forth. I'd give anything to be able to tell the truth about these savages, which we've all seen and heard about. Yet here are these reporters with the opportunity to do just that, and yet they repeatedly side with the murderers.

It makes me furious. And sick.

Posted by: Mo at September 4, 2006 6:38 PM

"We have the Islamic right to kill these journalists and media."

You see, the pieces of allahshit that they are believe anything is a 'right', including rape, lying, thieving, peadophilia, beligamy and violence (jihad), all of which the koran advocates.

lets just end this savegry by nuking the living daylights out of them (which they would do to us if they ever got nukes!!)

Posted by: Philip_Hollywood at September 4, 2006 6:42 PM

Disciple -

I am a Christian as well, but let's not get off track here. Let's not let the non-Christians on this board start looking upon us as being as kooky as the jihadists. It is definitely a spiritual battle. But that's not something really to discuss here, as most people don't believe in such things. That is not the focus here.

Let's keep on topic. I am guessing there are many kinds of people here, and under different circumstances they may not have much in common. But this jihad threat is so serious that our focus needs to be unity in the face of it, and not disunity based on other (though important) issues.

Posted by: Mo at September 4, 2006 6:49 PM

Robert et al; please be careful!

Those singled out as enemies of al-Qaida are Daniel Pipes, Robert Spencer, Steven Emerson, Michael Scheuer and, of course, President Bush. The first three are WND contributors and outspoken media figures who warn about the growing threat of Islamo-fascism. Scheuer is the former head of the CIA unit assigned the mission of hunting down Osama bin Laden

http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=51816

Posted by: witness at September 4, 2006 6:49 PM

Your description (of Mullah Dadullah) was perfect except for one additional thing - he probably smells badly too - nothing that a little pig urine/feces would not improve...
--- religion of(blown to)pieces

I've got plenty of that to sell right here are the hog ranch.

Posted by: Alarmed Pig Farmer at September 4, 2006 6:49 PM

I can tell you - you will huddle in your houses and beg for someone to protect you.
Posted by: Norseman at September 4, 2006 02:02 PM
++++++++++++++++=

and Norseman what will you do????????

for I know what I and tens of millions of other Americans will be doing............

The Texican.
God, America and Freedom, the only choice at any cost.

Posted by: Texican at September 4, 2006 6:49 PM

Pelayo

Norseman, I think you should understand that there are 35 states (I think) where citizens can legally carry a concealed firearm with a permit-that's a gun - in case firearm has too many letters.

Jesus Christ, i wish guns were legal egain down here in australia, there are a few muslum maniacs who moved in down the road i wouldnt mind shooting

When i went to the beach the other day, saw muslim chics in burqas swimming in 35 degree heat!!!

we import these scumbags in as cheap labor and they go straight on welfare!

Islaminfestation must end NOW!!

Posted by: Philip_Hollywood at September 4, 2006 6:49 PM

That was quite impressive how quickly Disciple's post was yanked off!

Yes, know your own faith, but be able to recognize an imposter. Learn about both and give up something else (football, your hairdo, etc.) if you don't have enough spare time.

Posted by: Concerned Citizen at September 4, 2006 6:57 PM

If it was Robert, i hope i did't pee him off too bad!

Posted by: DiscipleofJesusChrist at September 4, 2006 7:01 PM

No democratically elected muslim terrorist has ever attacked The west.
Posted by: uncle sam at September 4, 2006 02:29 PM
++++++++++++++++++++++

muslim terrorists do not believe in democracy so what is your point?????????

As to muslims killed over the last twenty years, millions more muslims have been killed by fellow muslims than by all others.

You will have plenty to complain about once WW3 with islam is finally fully underway.

The Texican.
God, America and Freedom, the only choice at any cost.

Posted by: Texican at September 4, 2006 7:02 PM

Well, if it didn't "pee him off" before, that will.

This is his site you know.

Posted by: Concerned Citizen at September 4, 2006 7:10 PM

The Taliban want to target their journalist allies? Who will grossly exaggerate their numbers and strength? Who will libel the American and British forces killing them as failures? Who will present their risible lies as the Gospel truth?

What's next? Are they going to target Reuters photographers and embellishers? College professors? Move-on? Cindy Sheehan and Code pink? CPUSA? The ACLU?

Would anyone shed an honest tear if they did?

Idiots.

Posted by: Jeff Bargholz at September 4, 2006 7:25 PM

Disciple -

How I can't stand this kind of childishness. Whoever you are, please stop being obnoxious with your zillion posts and giving a bad name to any other Christians who may be here.

Or, be obnoxious if you choose, but don't name the name of Christ while doing it.

I'm done.

Posted by: Mo at September 4, 2006 7:39 PM

Norseman is what is known as an agnostic. He speaks to rile you and make you think and defend what you really believe in. Read between the lines for he is issuing warnings and sometimes not so subtly.

The DiscipleofJesusChrist may be a little irritating but so are those that preach against Christianity, Judaism and the other peaceful religions.

Whoever out there believes that islam can be defeated in this war without Christians and Jews and our beliefs, speak now and tell us how you will accomplish this?

Edify us……………..

I will have a good read and laugh……………..

The Texican.
A prepared, armed and ready Christian.
The new Christians will not go silently into the night and this just upsets the non-believers to no end.
Be assured, not only we will pray for you and but we will also fight for you.
God, America, Freedom, the only choice at any cost.

Posted by: Texican at September 4, 2006 7:42 PM

What will happen if the mos kill all of the journalists that print lies??????????

Posted by: Texican at September 4, 2006 7:45 PM

"What will happen if the mos kill all of the journalists that print lies??????????"

We will get our news from government newsreels and they (our governments) will be able to kick a++ in peace without our inquiring minds to worry about. Except France.

Posted by: Concerned Citizen at September 4, 2006 7:51 PM

What will happen if the mos kill all of the journalists that print lies??????????"
We will get our news from government newsreels and they (our governments) will be able to kick a++ in peace without our inquiring minds to worry about. Except France.
Posted by: Concerned Citizen at September 4, 2006 07:51 PM
++++++++++++++++++

Nope, the internet is the source for truth and they can't kill everyone on the web yet......

Posted by: Texican at September 4, 2006 8:13 PM

Disciple, apparently your post has been removed again,
I´m grateful for that, as I read the whole thread and then came onto your post, decided after 3 lines it was hogwash and sprang it. asked myself what the writer tries to do... maybe should be bloggin somewhere else?

Posted by: cosmicAvenger at September 4, 2006 8:20 PM

Naseem:
now, since you always tell us that your Ahmediyya strain of Islam is more peaceful and tolerant than all the other stuff, and we should convert...
You definitely will know that your group of believers wanting to build this enormous Ahmediyya mosque in Berlin, Germany. Also will you know that the Germans(apart from some lefties) are not very keen on it.., so,how come your very peaceful Ahmediyya believers resort to violence and Brainfu*k by burning down a politician´s and his family´s home. Resorting to drive by shootings, organizing enormous muslim demonstrations which walk through the streets of Berlin and stop at certain buildings with the announcement: "here lives xyz, and he is against the mosque", or stop in front of schools and announce: "at this school the teacher xyz is working, and she is against the mosque", and many more "peaceful" incidents which even land quite a number of your brothers and sisters in custody...
This is it. Big one today !, do not come here anymore telling us to convert. It makes more sense to get yourself a sisal rope and hang yourself from your balcony (if you got one), but the doorbeam will do...

Posted by: cosmicAvenger at September 4, 2006 8:35 PM

No democratically elected muslim terrorist has ever attacked The west.

What about President Mahmoud? Or President Mahmoud Abbas? Or ex-President Khatami?

Do we know their hands are clean?

Posted by: Alarmed Pig Farmer at September 4, 2006 9:21 PM

What will happen if the mos kill all of the journalists that print lies??????????

I appreciate your optimism, Tex, but the trouble is like their Moslem brethern, journalist too are breeding like flies.

Posted by: Alarmed Pig Farmer at September 4, 2006 9:24 PM

Texican,

I'm still looking for an HTML tag to markup text as sarcasm.

Disciple,

I can't say I've got "clean hands" on this one, but this is not a site for proselytizing the anti-jihad posters. Centuries of debate has not even solved the internecine Christian squabbling and produced a truly catholic (small "c") Christian church. Not even a Muslim can convert someone against their will in an anonymous online setting. Your faith is best shared in person.

Online, personally, my best intentions are to limit my defense of my faith to direct attacks, try to avoid instigating the squabbling, and accept that I will of necessity have ideological differences with those I need and can trust as allies.

Also, this is not a chat room. Threads usually die a natural death. If you feel like you've been abandoned, often they've just posted a new article. Or you've made the "forbidden topic" post and everyone scatters (not so much out of fear of the penumbra, but also out of boredom of having been down that path). Or maybe it's just four in the freaking morning.

Sometimes you can take advantage of it and write a comment to a specific poster, knowing the number of people reading this far down the thread is often pretty close to zero. Like this post for example.

In Christ,

Posted by: Concerned Citizen at September 4, 2006 10:21 PM

Philip_Hollywood, Is it really difficult to own a firearm in Australia? I thought that bolt action rifles and pump action shotguns could still be owned? That's a pathetic state of affairs.

I'm still having one of those self-debates about getting my concealed carry permit. There is a some red tape involved - a firearms training certificate, a background check, a demonstration at the police range, fingerprints, and a $150 fee. There is a positive side; the applicant does not have to justify the need to carry a weapon for self defense.

Posted by: Pelayo at September 4, 2006 11:07 PM

Islam has the right to kill journalists and the media. How does one kill the media?

The Salad Bar has worms in it...the only thing worse than finding a worm in your salad is to find half a worm in your Salad. But Sam, I dont have to tell YOU about That...

Posted by: duh_swami at September 4, 2006 11:08 PM

Muslims are doing a better job of killing themselves in the ME than Nato or coalition forces. When it comes to murder and barbarism no one does it better than Hamas. Take a look at this evaluation from one of their own of how these newly elected Democrats are handling things in Gaza.

http://memri.org/bin/articles.cgi?Page=archives&Area=sd&ID=SP126806

Posted by: Briars at September 4, 2006 11:16 PM

Pelayo,

Get the permit! It's a virtually painless process, and I did learn some things in the course.

Besides, you may be able to defend an islamo-journalist in distress.

Posted by: Concerned Citizen at September 4, 2006 11:37 PM

-duh_swami,

I think that probably the only worm salad bowl's ingested is the one at the bottom of his Mezcal bottle.

Posted by: Eisenhund at September 5, 2006 1:51 AM

Purple Haze -

The last video link you posted was good -- thanks for sharing it. It's one thing to hear where Ahmad stands, but quite another to see/hear his position on the Mahdi.

Posted by: champ at September 5, 2006 2:03 AM

MadrassasippiBurnin,

Thanks.I don't want to digress from the clear & present jihadi threat thread. Nevertheless, after some years spent in serious unlearning of bilge forcefed in indian concentration camps (read schools) and valuable inputs from my parents,I no longer buy that canard "British" wrought ruin(sic).I am not amplifying what really happened then.

Hindus dreaming of becoming global power makes me laugh the loudest! Even Alexander was powerless against cholera germs:)) With zero ethics(sizeable chunk) among contemporary indians(hindus included) can blown up fuses become transformers?
Not just Kashmir, entire India is full of jihadis and their sympathizers.I myself don't trust india and have utmost contempt for most of the people. Why should George Bush consider it a reliable ally?

With my very limited surface grazing of Jesus Christ's Spoken Words ( with the correct interpretation given by Bhagavan) I understand He Speaks the Same Truth found in Vedantham.The same as in *Jehovah* and *Unal Haq* in pre islam Arabia....all thanks to Bhagavan.

Some gumption india has of becoming powerful,a global one at that:0))

Norseman,

I am delighted to disappoint you.There is a Glorious Future ahead and certainly not what you wish for in the murky recesses of your mind.

Posted by: Crows&Cows at September 5, 2006 7:10 AM

A correction:

I no longer buy the canard that British wrought *only* ruin.

Posted by: Crows&Cows at September 5, 2006 7:22 AM

" If I could live my life over again, I would become a journalist so I could have that kind of influence and power over the information that is put forth. I'd give anything to be able to tell the truth about these savages, which we've all seen and heard about. Yet here are these reporters with the opportunity to do just that, and yet they repeatedly side with the murderers.

It makes me furious. And sick.

Posted by: Mo "

If you're 80 years old I can understand. If you're younger - then by all means you have the power.

Write to people in your email list. Argue with them. Write letters to the Editor, members of Congress, any magazine or electronic media outlet. Start your own blog. Write essays. Write a book or a novel.

You don't have hold a degree to get your story out these days. You don't have to 'know someone'.
You have many options.

Just do it every way you can. You have power though it may not seem that way. You can show people the truth and they will respond. Just do it.

Posted by: A_Plague_on_Both_Houses at September 5, 2006 5:41 PM

To: A_Plague_on_Both_Houses

I have been doing many of those things, and will continue. It's discouraging at times, but I have to believe that somewhere, for someone a light will be turned on! Thanks for the encouragement.

Posted by: Mo at September 5, 2006 9:02 PM