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In front of the King Fahd mosque in Culver City, California -- the mosque in which Sgt. Hasan Akbar, the American soldier who killed two of his fellow soldiers and wounded 13 in a fragging attack in Iraq in 2003, learned his Islam.
Just wondering: why hasn't any Muslim group in America or any other Western country hanged bin Laden in effigy? After all, they will tell you he is hijacking their religion, and call him a "so-called Muslim." And we know from burning effigies of Uncle Sam and George Bush all over the Islamic world that there is no Islamic objection to human representations in this kind of context. One would think that the putative moderate Muslim groups such as CAIR and MPAC would have found this an apposite way to express what they thought of Osama's activities. But instead, this event is being staged by the United American Committee.
"Group Announces Event Featuring Mock Hanging of bin Laden," from the UAC:
In commemoration of the September 11th, 2001 terrorist attacks on America. The United American Committee will hold a rally featuring a mock hanging of Osama bin Laden on Sunday, September 10th in front of the King Fahd Mosque in Culver City California at 10980 Washington Blvd beginning at 4:00 PM.CULVER CITY, CA – August 31st, 2006 (UACWIRE) – Among numerous events across the nation to commemorate 9-11, one event in the Los Angeles area will feature a mock hanging of Osama bin Laden, and will give attendees an opportunity to throw old shoes at the effigy. The hitting or throwing of shoes at a person or object is one of the greatest insults within the Islamic world. One aspect of this event which is also unique is the location; The event, organized by the United American Committee, will take place in front of the King Fahd Mosque at 10980 Washington Blvd. in Culver City, California.
Placing pressure on the leading figures of the American Islamic community, last month the United American Committee issued a challenge to all patriotic American Muslim leaders to issue an Islamic verdict, known as a fatwa, condemning Osama bin Laden and other terrorists by name. With over forty days since the issuance of the challenge, the fatwa has not been declared. The UAC has brought the challenge to several Islamic organizations such as the Council on American Islamic Relations (C.A.I.R.), as well as to many Islamic mosques nationwide. One mosque in particular which stands out among those who decline to entertain the idea of issuing a fatwa is the King Fahd Mosque in Culver City, California. Two of the 9/11 hijackers, Nawaf al Hazmi, and Khalid al Mihdhar, upon their arrival in America promptly made the King Fahd mosque the center of their lives, the base from which they received assistance, made friends, and could find moral reinforcement until carrying out their horrific attack in New York City. The King Fahd mosque also produced other terrorists including Sgt. Akbar, the soldier who threw grenades at his fellow GIs early into the Iraq war, an attack which left two dead and fourteen injured. In addition to those facts, Fahad al Thumairy who was a leader of the mosque, known as an Immam, was indicted on terrorism charges and eventually deported from the United States. According to the United American Committee, the mosque continues to preach extremist rhetoric and works to embolden those who wish to destroy the American way of life.
The UAC is no stranger to engaging in controversial activities, in February of this year they held a panel discussion at the University of California at Irvine entitled 'The Unveiling of the Cartoons' which contained a display of the controversial Danish cartoons depicting the Islamic prophet Mohammad which were the center of numerous riots throughout the world. Critics of the event held protests outside the venue which was packed to capacity, and the event received international media attention.
The Southern California event featuring a hanging of bin Laden will be at 4:00 PM on Sunday, September 10th at 10980 Washington Blvd. in Culver City, California in the West Los Angeles area. The UAC states that as always, pro-democratic Muslim Americans are more than welcome to join this event. More information on this and other UAC activities can be found on the United American Committee website at www.UnitedAmericanCommittee.org
Posted by Robert at September 8, 2006 8:14 AM
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In commemoration of the September 11th, 2001 terrorist attacks on America. The United American Committee will hold a rally featuring a mock hanging of Osama bin Laden on Sunday, September 10th in front of the King Fahd Mosque in Culver City California at 10980 Washington Blvd beginning at 4:00 PM.
Oh yeah? It ain't gonna happen!
CAIR and the ACLU will probably have a restraining order against the organizers of this event faster than you can say "Osama..." preventing this from happening.
Watch instead for a "peace rally" with large signs that read "Death to Israel", "Death to American", followed up by candle light processions headed by Liberal Christian and Jewish Ministers/Rabbis who want to "promote understanding" between islam and everyone else.
Maybe, I just getting jaded -- but this would not surprise me in the least.
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at September 8, 2006 8:38 AM
Any reason Sgt. Hasan Akbar hasn't been shot through the chest by a firing squad yet?
Probably cuz he's a Moslem. Coming from a 101st Airborne family, I can tell you that there are some pissed off Airborne vets that he has not yet been put to death.
Posted by: Alarmed Pig Farmer at September 8, 2006 8:40 AM
"...headed by Liberal Christian and Jewish Ministers/Rabbis who want to "promote understanding" between islam and everyone else."...
I think you meant 'NOMINAL' Christians and Jewish Ministers/Rabbis rather than liberal. However, they certainly go hand in hand, since you see these so-called Christians/Jews marching along side islamists in London.
Sickening
Posted by: The Goobs at September 8, 2006 8:43 AM
Whatever happend to rocks and sticks? The mid east seems to be biting at our ankles, what? with ingenuity and technology? (throw shoes everyone.)
Posted by: mustang65 at September 8, 2006 8:53 AM
Can't burn an effigy of Bin Laden in the UK without being arrested by the police. The police approve of posters saying "behead infidels" but won't allow Bin Laden to be "dissed".
at September 8, 2006 9:05 AM
If this is the only level muslims understand things on, go for it.
Ceratinly gives fresh meaning to Samuel L. Jacksons, "Ima get medieval on your a**"
Posted by: GreatShaitan at September 8, 2006 10:12 AM
I didn't know about the UAC until a few days ago and they look pretty... TERRIFIC !
I think I will join. I hope many others will.
There is a UAustralianC and a UCanadianC...maybe the British Readers here want to build a UnitedBritishCommittee ?!
Their program in ten points is mainly about spreading info and knowledge. Well, of course you can't ask for the death penalty for terrorists in Europe, but it's a single point...
at September 8, 2006 10:26 AM
witness,
I do believe it will go through because at the Freerepublic website I have seen a protest gathering that took place back late in June. The thread even had pictures to show. This is the same mosque in question. So expect a protest gathering, which thankfully because of the Consitution, the UAC can still meet in gathering.
Posted by: bigcatgirl13106 at September 8, 2006 10:33 AM
ERRATA CORRIGENDA
with ref. to my post above:
THERE IS a UNITED BRITISH ALLIANCE
and its web page is at
http://www.freewebs.com/the-uba/index.htm
Posted by: POITIERS-LEPANTO at September 8, 2006 10:47 AM
witness,
Here is the URL from the June protest.
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1655381/posts
Posted by: bigcatgirl13106 at September 8, 2006 10:48 AM
witness,
Here is the URL from the June protest.
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1655381/posts
Posted by: bigcatgirl13106 at September 8, 2006 10:49 AM
I do believe it will go through because at the Freerepublic website I have seen a protest gathering that took place back late in June.
I hope you're right!
at September 8, 2006 11:22 AM
The UAC states that as always, pro-democratic Muslim Americans are more than welcome to join this event.
That's a great way to build attendance. I'm sure they'll be coming by the thousands to protest how those "few extremists" who have nothing to do with Islam have twisted their peaceful religion. You guys (and gals) rock. Culver City is a little too far of a Sunday drive for me, unfortunately.
Posted by: special_guest at September 8, 2006 11:48 AM
I'd much rather see a demonstration of placards saying 'Death to Islam', and a mock execution of the Mohammedan prophet Mohammed - by beheading, preferably halal style.
As for the King Fahd mosque, can an enterprising Culver city councilman try and repossess that land under Eminent Domain, level the mosque, and make it anything else - a mall, a park, a parking lot, a school (not a madrassa), maybe just give it to a company that will then employ locals? After all, since SCOTUS took a big step towards Marxizing the US last year, might as well turn this abominable law to our advantage. Takers, anyone?
at September 8, 2006 12:25 PM
I have a lighter and some lighter-fluid.
Could someone bring saudi, plo, hisbullies, iranian, etc. flags.
These need to be burned as well.
at September 8, 2006 12:26 PM
This is a good idea. I wish we would see more things like this in NYC, D.C., and Chicago (I won't hold my breath on that last one though). I hope all goes well and no blood is shed.
Posted by: Patriot_1/17 at September 8, 2006 1:05 PM
I can't overstate my enthusiasm for this kind of event and for UAC in general. The Muslims have used our freedom of speech to promote their viewpoint (if murderous subjugation of a population can be considered a "viewpoint") without an adequate reciprocal response for far too long now.
It would also be interesting (to say the least) to hold anti-Bin Laden demonstrations outside Mosques on any Friday to see what percentage of the local Muslims would join-in after their prayers. After all, Bin Laden has hijacked the RoP with perverted interpetations of Muhammad's message of tolerance and peace, so I'm sure the local Muslim faithful would want to show their support.
Posted by: Xero G at September 8, 2006 3:59 PM
There is a UAustralianC and a UCanadianC...
There is no Canadian affiliate for the UAC. They tried to start one, but it failed for lack of support. Canada is too far to the left for anything like that, I'm afraid. We're basically one step behind Sweden. In Toronto, if you burned an effigy of Bin Laden, you would be beaten up by every muslim, feminist, NDPer, anti-poverty activist, student campus group, multiculturalist, and green party member this city has to offer. Which is basically half the population. The other half would watch while you were beaten up. The mayor would denounce you as you lay bleeding from your wounds.
The police? They would press charges against you for something, as soon as the Chief of police could come up with something on the books - to appease the mad calls to his office from the above groups.
And the francophones? They would be there too, to make sure you were stomped on in both official languages.
A UAC in Canada?
HA.
Posted by: August22 at September 8, 2006 4:55 PM
The King Fahd Mosque in Los Angeles:
Coverage of Islam
Marvin Olasky
http://www.leaderu.com/popculture/coveringislam.html
"Inside the mosque community, there are those who are sympathetic to jihad and suicide bombings and those who are not. Some object to non-Muslims visiting their sacred space; others warmly embrace them. Some women veil their entire bodies; others throw off such practices as outdated.... On the Friday after the terrorist attacks, the imam [Tajuddin Shuaib] says, he gave a sermon condemning suicide bombings and was shouted down by some men who leaped to their feet and accused him of 'changing the Quran.'"
at September 8, 2006 4:56 PM
PRCS, since Tajuddin Shuaib is an imam, who has dedicated his life to the study of Islam, I'm sure he was able to provide Qur'anic quotes and stories from the hadith to show those men how Islam is really the Religion of Peace. Since those men are Muslims, and the imam is a Muslim leader, his words should have a strong influence on them.
And if not, if he was unable to convince the men that suicide bombings and terrorist attacks are not condoned by their Allah, I'm sure the imam notified the authorities about these few radical religionists, who had somehow infiltrated his peace-loving congregation.
Right? Is that how the story ends?
Posted by: special_guest at September 8, 2006 5:20 PM
I strongly suggest that anyone who wishes for the survival of Britain as a sovereign nation joins the United British Alliance, it is free and they are a patriotic, friendly and accessible group of like minded people concerned about the future of Britain.
Posted by: IceDragon at September 8, 2006 5:34 PM
I like the idea of the demo. Make sure the dummy has a ham hock in his mouth, too. Also, when the real shmo finally gets caught, I hope they send him to Allah choked with chitlins.
Posted by: Kepha at September 8, 2006 5:56 PM
Rasool
You and your friends should have taken the day off - saying you were commemorating Patriots day.
Was it that, or were they trying to pre-empt you from committing a hate crime? Also, were you going to have placards with Quranic passages on them, or something else?
Posted by: Infidel Pride at September 8, 2006 6:31 PM
The posters that UAC people might be carrying should be printed in Arabic.
Posted by: Pelayo at September 8, 2006 6:44 PM
I remember all the American flags after September 11,2001 where are they now? When this group rallies,I know they will have the stars and strips a wavin' .
Posted by: chrisinsouthc at September 8, 2006 6:56 PM
It is a pity that this still has to be done in effigy. Just another reminder to me that we have been led way, way off the initial righteous course.
I am glad to see that some sense is going to be spoken at this hearing, with Walid Phares agreeing that the term Jihadists is spot on.
For those of you who would like to read his presentation:
http://wwwc.house.gov/international_relations/109/pha090706.pdf
Posted by: amana39 at September 8, 2006 7:09 PM
special_guest,
I have no reason to doubt the accuracy of the story. Indeed, it was reported by more than one source. And at least one of those 'who lept to their feet' was shown the door.
I suppose you'd have to ask Shuaib if he called the appropriate authorities, as that isn't addressed in the article.
The article was about the 'Islam is wonderful' reportage so common immediately after 9/11.
The effigy will be hung in front of that very mosque.
That's appropriate. Let's see if the imams support this action.
Posted by: PRCS at September 9, 2006 7:30 AM
I admire the bravery of the organizers of this event. Good work. The icing on the cake would be to have offensive passages of the Koran, in Arabic, stapled to Osama's body.
But let's not go too far, we are not Pakistan here. We are the civilized world. I would like these events taking place subtly throughout the Western world on every anniversary of 911.
Posted by: ofcourse at September 9, 2006 12:05 PM
Not to in any way condone the motives of the JDL but here is an interesting quote from the mosque director in 2001 when there was a real threat of congressman Issa’s office being blown up.
"I can't understand why people would do such a thing," Tajuddin Shuaib, director of the mosque told the Associated Press. "We are not against Jews. We are not against anybody. We are like any church or synagogue or temple."
http://www.tolerance.org/news/article_hate.jsp?id=371
Let's see if they use the same rhetoric on September 10th.
-XRDC
at September 9, 2006 3:47 PM
PRCS, like you I also don't doubt the accuracy of the story, that members of the congregation stood up and loudly protested when the imam made comments denouncing terrorism, no matter how mild, and how phrased ("we denounce undeserved violence against all innocents everywhere", etc.).
But I have very strong doubts that Shuaib contacted the authorities about the "few radicals" in his congregation. As an imam, he knows the importance of placing religious law and loyalty-to-Allah above secular (man-made) law and loyalty-to-nation.
Wish I could be there to see if Shuaib joins in the anti-terrorism protest. Maybe somebody who attends can let us know if they were swarmed by like-minded "moderate" Muslims.
Posted by: special_guest at September 9, 2006 4:45 PM
special_guest,
I don't think he turned them in to appropriate authorities either, but then again, back then, there probably weren't any such authorities to turn them in to.
The local police would probably have passed it off as a 'church' issue; not to be touched.
What I took from that article, back then, was (1) that journalists were busy telling everyone that jihad is merely an inner struggle against temptation, and weren't reporting troubling incidents like that at the King Fahd mosque, and (2)that Muslims don't all interpret Islam the same way.
Today, when I hear moderate Muslims (along with the liars and apologists) state that the 'extremists' are unIslamic or that they're misinterpreting Islam, I know they're blowing smoke.
And XRDC, I read that, too. I just didn't want to go too far afield of the issue. And, yes, let's see how they handle the hanging effigy.
Bob
Posted by: PRCS at September 9, 2006 8:43 PM
Chrisinsouthc wrote:
I remember all the American flags after September 11,2001 where are they now? When this group rallies,I know they will have the stars and strips a wavin' .
............
One Little Ray of Light
Right after 9/11, Berkeley, CA firefighters, like so many others around the country, flew American flags from their trucks. Astonishingly, they were told by the city government a few days later to take the flags off their trucks, so as not to "incite" any participants at an upcoming anti-war demonstration.
Their answer was to fly the largest flags that they could safely fit on their trucks--these suckers are *huge*. Eventually, the city government backed down--even the Mayor came out on their side.
I lived in Berkeley for years when I was a student there. Today, I live right next door in Oakland. I'm over in Berkeley maybe twice a month. Every so often, a fire engine passes by, and I am amazed all over again at how enormous these flags are.
No one has ever been "incited" to violence by these flags, and even in Berkeley, many people cheer them.
Here's one of the original articles:
http://www.freedomforum.org/templates/document.asp?documentID=14957
Posted by: gravenimage at September 9, 2006 11:22 PM
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