suprised we didnt see bush holding his hand like he did with his saudie master.

Posted by: Patriot8 at September 10, 2006 12:53 AM

Admirers used to call Khatami "Ayatollah Gorbachev", but he turned out to be a big fat disappointment. He was just a dithering, half-hearted straddler who couldn't even put up a half-decent fight against the hardliners. And that's why he got flushed out unceremoniously. Perhaps you could call him "Ayatollah Dubya" because Khatami did too little and did it too poorly.

Posted by: sanman at September 10, 2006 12:59 AM

Bush has gone bi-polar

Posted by: bondservant at September 10, 2006 1:06 AM

Because he wanted to hear Khatami's views

Couldn't he have just picked up the phone? The visit by Khatami may have shown the world that we embrace freedom of expression, but now that our guest has spouted off, and disgraced the country, he needs to leave. Diplomacy with mohammedans is a losing enterprise.

Posted by: Kreuzueber Halbmond at September 10, 2006 1:08 AM

When someone like Khatami is allowed to speak at the National Cathedral and Harvard University, the effect in Iran is great. It does not make Khatami -- terrible as he is, only tolerable because he invites comparison with the Supreme Guide Khamenei and Ahmadinejad, and does not suffer by that comparison -- more powerful. Rather, it makes the American government, and other opponents of the Islamic Republic of Iran, seem weak, ready to capitulate, by offering such forums for an unapologetic representative of the Islamic Republic of Iran.

The effect of this is to harden the determination of the regime in Iran not to give in, either to critics (so-called "liberals") in Iran, or to demands by Western countries that the nuclear-bomb project be halted. Those who argue using such misleading phrases as the "need for dialogue" (what dialogue? with whom did Khatami conduct a genuine "dialogue"? Of what would such a "dialogue" consist? And what would be learned on either side? What has been learned, from Khatami's appearances, that could not have been learned simply by reading what he has said over the past few years, both in and out of office?)

This was no more a "dialogue" than are those phony "interfaith dialogues" where Muslim spokesmen present an evening of victimization, and justification, and taqiyya-and-tu-quoque, for as many simpleminded Infidels as can be rounded up to participate, with wide-eyed eagerness and the sappy-sentimental view of the world that always ends, for the holder, and unfortunately also for others (for those of us who are not sappy-sentimental will nonetheless suffer from the logical outcome of their worldview) in disaster.

This visit by Khatami will be interpreted only as one thing: a public-relations triumph for Iran. That is how the regime will present it, and how the primitive populace will receive it.

These things matter.

Holier-than-thou moral reening by those who suggest or insist, like the Harvard Dean or assorted editorialists, that only the blackest reactionary could conceivably be opposed to such a "dialogue," shows to what favor -- no, to what pavor -- we have come.

The three words that compose the Esdrujula Explanation -- timidity, stupidity, cupidity -- explain the folly. When it comes to the widespread inability to grasp the the promptings, the instruments, the full menace of Jihad -- those three words usually do.

Posted by: Hugh at September 10, 2006 1:30 AM

Don't you wish he'd said, "It was easier to wiretap his phone calls inside the country"? I look forward to the usual Bush apologist's whitewash of this one.

Agent Bargholz, calling Agent Bargholz....

Posted by: Concerned Citizen at September 10, 2006 1:39 AM

The just-announced plan to bring 15,000 Saudis to study in American universities is also a Bush initiative (in collaboration with the Saudi "king"). Was it really Bush who, exactly 5 years ago, stood on a heap of rubble in Manhattan, with his arm around a firefighter, speaking heartfelt words to inspire our nation to fight back against our attackers? Didn't he utter words to the effect that, you are either with us or with our enemies? Or was it someone who only looked like him? Is Khatami with us or with our enemies? Will those 15,000 young Saudi students be with us or with our enemies? What criteria will the State Department officials who issue visas to all these visitors use to locate the line between those who are with us and those who are with our enemies? Please, Mr. President, instruct us who aren't as subtle thinkers as you.

Posted by: Frieda at September 10, 2006 1:39 AM

Pres George Bush has developed Stockholm Syndrome. Same as many Israelis have after having been under siege so long by Jihadists and Islam. George Bush has fallen for the good cop in a good cop-bad cop routine. Not all Bush's fault. Other top administration officials are similar because it takes more than George Bush to make policies

A totally different take would be we act this liberally toward the Iranian Ayatollah regime to give cover to our upcoming destruction of their nuclear program, right after the November election results come in. Perhaps even a pre-election strike

Posted by: dennisw at September 10, 2006 1:40 AM

This was no more a "dialogue" than are those phony "interfaith dialogues" where Muslim spokesmen present an evening of victimization, and justification, and taqiyya-and-tu-quoque, for as many simpleminded Infidels as can be rounded up to participate, with wide-eyed eagerness and the sappy-sentimental view of the world that always ends, for the holder, and unfortunately also for others (for those of us who are not sappy-sentimental will nonetheless suffer from the logical outcome of their worldview) in disaster.

Ain't that true, Hugh! Prefect analysis of such Muslim-Infidel "interfaith dialogs"

Posted by: dennisw at September 10, 2006 1:45 AM

NY TIMES
More Muslims Arrive in U.S., After 9/11 Dip
http://www.nytimes.com/2006/09/10/nyregion/10muslims.html?pagewanted=1&ei=5094&en=a1703d031d2a4f73&hp&ex=1157860800&partner=homepage

Posted by: dennisw at September 10, 2006 1:47 AM

Khatami
In Harvard: Mullahs and Liberals Not That Different!

The former Iranian leader is also expected to share his rich experience in purging academia and creating a perfectly uniform intellectual climate of diversity for the Greater Good™.

"We can understand Romney's disagreement with Khatami in order to pander to his Islamophobic constituency," said Harvard's spokesperson Melody Feelgood. "We nonetheless believe that active and open dialogue with this country's self-created "enemies" is a critical part of an effective anti-American education of our students, especially on the eve of these very annoying jingoistic 9/11 ceremonies."

"I hope that the incredibly talented students at Harvard will grill Khatami on the many issues which prevent America from being a responsible member of the world community," said Joseph Bombgluck who teaches Comparative Histrionics. "Khatami should be expecting to answer some hard-ball questions about the legitimacy of falsified elections in Florida and Ohio, the Republican genocide of African Americans in New Orleans, the corporate glass ceiling that denies women access to the boardrooms, the absence of free healthcare, and the primitive American mindset that views President Bush as some sort of 'supreme leader.'"

Posted by: dennisw at September 10, 2006 1:55 AM

"I was interested to hear what he had to say," Bush told the Wall Street Journal in an interview. "I'm interested in learning more about the Iranian government, how they think, what people think within the government."

Just when I think Bush is starting to get it, he comes up with this moronic politi-babble. Unbelievable.

Would that he was as smart as the moonbat conspiracy nutjobs claim him to be.

Posted by: infidel4life at September 10, 2006 2:04 AM

Go Romney.

Posted by: limes at September 10, 2006 2:05 AM

Dennisw,

Thanks for that indigestion inducing post (267254). The only thing I could agree with from the Harvard moonbat's comments was "country's self-created 'enemies'". Created, of course, by their fellow moonbat, Dhimmi Carter, Official Worst President.

Posted by: Concerned Citizen at September 10, 2006 2:11 AM

Bush really is snookering the American public of late. Someone (Tony Snow) probably convinced him to pepper a few speeches with the phrase "Islamofascism" to protect his right flank, while in these folksy settings he lets out his true feelings. Reagan and Goldwater are spinning in their graves at how he's fooled a generation or two in what "conservatism" really means.
Haven't we heard enough from Islam's "leaders" to know what they think? And didn't this guy get voted out democratically? Therefore, we know where the masses lie there in Iran. Upon this anniversary of 9/11, as Todd Beamer said, "let's roll."

Posted by: FallaciFan at September 10, 2006 2:13 AM

"The visit by Khatami may have shown the world that we embrace freedom of expression ..."
from Kreuzueber Halbmond

He has shown that we are - I mean - he is spineless.

January 20, 2009 cannot come soon enough.

Posted by: Pelayo at September 10, 2006 2:15 AM

I am begenning to believe that people who say "nucular" instead of "nuclear" really are stupid and not just lousy speakers.

Posted by: Pelayo at September 10, 2006 2:21 AM

It was a good idea to let him in. Letting him out is another matter entirely

Posted by: shlemazl at September 10, 2006 2:26 AM

National Disgrace in National Cathedral
http://www.terrorfreeoil.org/videos/ES090806.php - CBN Video

Americans Taking Out Khatami
http://atlasshrugs2000.typepad.com/atlas_shrugs/2006/09/pamela_thought_.html LGF / AtlasShrugs

Posted by: Terror-Free Oil at September 10, 2006 2:57 AM

Don't let the fool you
They're only tryin ta school ya.
Oh NO!

Bob Marley

Posted by: germaninamerica at September 10, 2006 3:07 AM

(sanman) "Admirers used to call Khatami 'Ayatollah Gorbachev'"

(Hugh) "It does not make Khatami [...] more powerful. Rather, it makes the American government, and other opponents of the Islamic Republic of Iran, seem weak, ready to capitulate [...]"

I can't get that scene from the beginning of the first "The Naked Gun" movie out of my head on reading this. And we need a more Drebin-like treatment of the man with the punk row (or his successors) than we're doing now.

"I always knew it was fake." (After wiping out the mark on Gorbachev's forehead)

Posted by: ZionistYoungster at September 10, 2006 3:48 AM

Bush sure has a unique way of fighting the "war on terror." Why, all you gotta do is welcome the terrorists to the US of A. Give them the red carpet treatment. That's how to fight the war.

Posted by: Eliyahu at September 10, 2006 4:15 AM

The well-funded Kennedy School of Government at Harvard is also the locus of operations of one of the authors of that big lie recently published alleging that the USA has trouble with other parts of the world because American policy has always supported Israel [big lie!!].

Posted by: Eliyahu at September 10, 2006 4:20 AM

The recurring thread of President Bush's leadership is that of a man who cannot distinguish friend from foe. His blindness staggers.

The blindness was evident in his retaining Clinton personnel in his own administration, in his nomination of Harriet Myers to the Supreme Court, in his collaboration with Senator Kennedy on the education bill, in his White House dinners with assorted muslims of questionable provenance, and in his socializing with former President Clinton.

It appears that President Bush suffers the delusion that he can make a friend of an enemy through the direct application of Presidential charm. President Bush is naive. Naivete - or simplicity - will be his legacy.

We will not pray five times a day - not this day, not ever. We will survive President Bush.

Posted by: Havoc at September 10, 2006 5:59 AM

AND WHAT BETTER TIME THAN THE 5TH ANNIVERSARY OF SEPTEMBER 11th - !?!?!?

If all President Bush wants to do -is to hear Khatami speak - then why not invite him for Christmas, Hanukkah, Easter, when Khatami could express his understanding and tolerance of other religions (although public discourse of these religions is all but OUTLAWED on "liberal" U.S. college campuses -and enforced by c.a.i.r., a.c.l.u. and other assorted totalitarian support organizations)!!!

Is it possible that the jihadists have taken hostage family members of all key US officials or exert some other form of blackmail on them (could -perhaps- explain why a U.S. Senator (e.g. G. Voinovich) would break down and cry on the Senate floor - in public debate over U.S. national security - for fear of the future safety of his children))?

Posted by: TINBH at September 10, 2006 6:09 AM

It helps if you will remember that President Bush is the man who traded Sammy Sosa.

And we made him our President (??)

Posted by: Havoc at September 10, 2006 6:12 AM

I'm surely not the only person to think that allowing Khatami into the country permits the flow of information and orders between Khatami and US cells without being subject to the usual electronic surveillance (as does, not coincidentally, a bunch of Saudi "students").

Does US intelligence have plans to eavesdrop in Khatami while he's here? Much harder to get anything on him back in Iran. It would be stupid and arrogant of Khatami to try and contact cell leaders, but Muslims are nothing if not contemptuous of infidels. Anybody he talks to is an obvious intelligence target (as are the students; allowing them in may be a brilliant stroke of intelligence genius, in a "keep your enemies closer" sort of way).

Is Bush practicing taqiyya when he talks about wanting to know more about Iran and acts in an apparently clueless manner after making a tough speech? Hard to say, but I hope so or we're screwed.

Posted by: aynrandgirl at September 10, 2006 7:23 AM

I'm surely not the only person to think that allowing Khatami into the country permits the flow of information and orders between Khatami and US cells without being subject to the usual electronic surveillance (as does, not coincidentally, a bunch of Saudi "students").

Does US intelligence have plans to eavesdrop in Khatami while he's here? Much harder to get anything on him back in Iran. It would be stupid and arrogant of Khatami to try and contact cell leaders, but Muslims are nothing if not contemptuous of infidels. Anybody he talks to is an obvious intelligence target (as are the students; allowing them in may be a brilliant stroke of intelligence genius, in a "keep your enemies closer" sort of way).

Is Bush practicing taqiyya when he talks about wanting to know more about Iran and acts in an apparently clueless manner after making a tough speech? Hard to say, but I hope so or we're screwed.

Posted by: aynrandgirl at September 10, 2006 7:24 AM

l cannot believe how most of you are falling for the trap. this is all smoke and mirrors, you invite the
enemy in, you may allow him him to think they have won, but in the end it will be the iranias who get caught. there are several reasons to let in this monsters, first you draw the stupid crowd, the eliteist who puff and throw themselves all over this ex.prez, but then most importantly you watch and record all the contacts of muslims this monsters attracts, yes phone calls coming into the country.
and you need to do this smoke and mirror to please the EU, UN and Democrat crowd that you have tried diplomacy, and all others things before you bomb the crap out of their nuclear sites. and lastly for the ones sitting on the fence, it allows them to hear how this ex.prez exposes himself as thug, killer and condenning terrorism towards the west including Isael.

Posted by: ZenaWarriorPrincess at September 10, 2006 7:33 AM

and" not condemming" terrorism towards the west including Isael.

sorry but lack of sleep l get careless

Posted by: ZenaWarriorPrincess at September 10, 2006 7:35 AM

"Khatami, viewed as a reformist, ceded power last year to current President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, a conservative who has called for Israel to be "wiped off the map" and has been an outspoken critic of U.S. policies."

Khatami is another Jew-hating nut. Bet on it. Reform to him means better deception in following the policies of Ahmadinejad. He's like a moderate Nazi.

OK, so I'm a Naziphobe. Sue me, CAIR.

Posted by: Frank at September 10, 2006 7:37 AM

No matter what kind of a nut Khatami may be, our biggest problem is that we've apparently got a nut at the helm in the White House.

Posted by: Shy Guy at September 10, 2006 7:39 AM

Shy Guy and you have dangerous nuts on the other side of the aisle, ie, john kerry (did you know he servied in Vietnam?), pelosi, ted,burp kennedy, algore (did you know he invented the internet?), Clinton(s), Carter..you dont need these appologists.
l love it when you cant control your attacks on Bush, but when you think you have sunk low, you have to look way down to the above losers.

Posted by: ZenaWarriorPrincess at September 10, 2006 8:37 AM

I'm surely not the only person to think that allowing Khatami into the country permits the flow of information and orders between Khatami and US cells without being subject to the usual electronic surveillance (as does, not coincidentally, a bunch of Saudi "students").

Does US intelligence have plans to eavesdrop in Khatami while he's here? Much harder to get anything on him back in Iran. It would be stupid and arrogant of Khatami to try and contact cell leaders, but Muslims are nothing if not contemptuous of infidels. Anybody he talks to is an obvious intelligence target (as are the students; allowing them in may be a brilliant stroke of intelligence genius, in a "keep your enemies closer" sort of way).

Is Bush practicing taqiyya when he talks about wanting to know more about Iran and acts in an apparently clueless manner after making a tough speech? Hard to say, but I hope so or we're screwed.

Posted by: aynrandgirl at September 10, 2006 8:43 AM

"Khatami, viewed as a reformist, ceded power last year to current President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, a conservative who has called for Israel to be "wiped off the map" and has been an outspoken critic of U.S. policies."

Khatami is another Jew-hating nut. Bet on it. Reform to him means better deception in following the policies of Ahmadinejad. He's like a moderate Nazi.

OK, so I'm a Naziphobe. Sue me, CAIR.

Posted by: Frank at September 10, 2006 8:44 AM

"Khatami, viewed as a reformist, ceded power last year to current President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, a conservative who has called for Israel to be "wiped off the map" and has been an outspoken critic of U.S. policies."

Khatami is another Jew-hating nut. Bet on it. Reform to him means better deception in following the policies of Ahmadinejad. He's like a moderate Nazi.

OK, so I'm a Naziphobe. Sue me, CAIR.

Posted by: Frank at September 10, 2006 8:45 AM

I'm surely not the only person to think that allowing Khatami into the country permits the flow of information and orders between Khatami and US cells without being subject to the usual electronic surveillance (as does, not coincidentally, a bunch of Saudi "students").

Does US intelligence have plans to eavesdrop in Khatami while he's here? Much harder to get anything on him back in Iran. It would be stupid and arrogant of Khatami to try and contact cell leaders, but Muslims are nothing if not contemptuous of infidels. Anybody he talks to is an obvious intelligence target (as are the students; allowing them in may be a brilliant stroke of intelligence genius, in a "keep your enemies closer" sort of way).

Is Bush practicing taqiyya when he talks about wanting to know more about Iran and acts in an apparently clueless manner after making a tough speech? Hard to say, but I hope so or we're screwed.

Posted by: aynrandgirl at September 10, 2006 8:45 AM

"Khatami, viewed as a reformist, ceded power last year to current President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, a conservative who has called for Israel to be "wiped off the map" and has been an outspoken critic of U.S. policies."

Khatami is another Jew-hating nut. Bet on it. Reform to him means better deception in following the policies of Ahmadinejad. He's like a moderate Nazi.

OK, so I'm a Naziphobe. Sue me, CAIR.

Posted by: Frank at September 10, 2006 8:49 AM

"Khatami, viewed as a reformist, ceded power last year to current President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, a conservative who has called for Israel to be "wiped off the map" and has been an outspoken critic of U.S. policies."

Khatami is another Jew-hating nut. Bet on it. Reform to him means better deception in following the policies of Ahmadinejad. He's like a moderate Nazi.

OK, so I'm a Naziphobe. Sue me, CAIR.

Posted by: Frank at September 10, 2006 8:50 AM

I'm surely not the only person to think that allowing Khatami into the country permits the flow of information and orders between Khatami and US cells without being subject to the usual electronic surveillance (as does, not coincidentally, a bunch of Saudi "students").

Does US intelligence have plans to eavesdrop in Khatami while he's here? Much harder to get anything on him back in Iran. It would be stupid and arrogant of Khatami to try and contact cell leaders, but Muslims are nothing if not contemptuous of infidels. Anybody he talks to is an obvious intelligence target (as are the students; allowing them in may be a brilliant stroke of intelligence genius, in a "keep your enemies closer" sort of way).

Is Bush practicing taqiyya when he talks about wanting to know more about Iran and acts in an apparently clueless manner after making a tough speech? Hard to say, but I hope so or we're screwed.

Posted by: aynrandgirl at September 10, 2006 8:51 AM

"Khatami, viewed as a reformist, ceded power last year to current President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, a conservative who has called for Israel to be "wiped off the map" and has been an outspoken critic of U.S. policies."

Khatami is another Jew-hating nut. Bet on it. Reform to him means better deception in following the policies of Ahmadinejad. He's like a moderate Nazi.

OK, so I'm a Naziphobe. Sue me, CAIR.

Posted by: Frank at September 10, 2006 8:52 AM

Our government's welcoming Khatami and then the reception he's received in the National Cathedral and Harvard must have a devastating effect on those Iranians who want regime change. Our government has claimed to be encouraging anti-regime dissidents. Most urban Iranians, especially younger people, are reported to be sick and tired of shariah rule. But if they are to form an effective movement they must be confident that leading Americans are behind them. What must those people be thinking now, as they read the reports of Khatami's triumphal tour?

Posted by: Frieda at September 10, 2006 8:52 AM

"Khatami, viewed as a reformist, ceded power last year to current President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, a conservative who has called for Israel to be "wiped off the map" and has been an outspoken critic of U.S. policies."

Khatami is another Jew-hating nut. Bet on it. Reform to him means better deception in following the policies of Ahmadinejad. He's like a moderate Nazi.

OK, so I'm a Naziphobe. Sue me, CAIR.

Posted by: Frank at September 10, 2006 8:53 AM

I'm surely not the only person to think that allowing Khatami into the country permits the flow of information and orders between Khatami and US cells without being subject to the usual electronic surveillance (as does, not coincidentally, a bunch of Saudi "students").

Does US intelligence have plans to eavesdrop in Khatami while he's here? Much harder to get anything on him back in Iran. It would be stupid and arrogant of Khatami to try and contact cell leaders, but Muslims are nothing if not contemptuous of infidels. Anybody he talks to is an obvious intelligence target (as are the students; allowing them in may be a brilliant stroke of intelligence genius, in a "keep your enemies closer" sort of way).

Is Bush practicing taqiyya when he talks about wanting to know more about Iran and acts in an apparently clueless manner after making a tough speech? Hard to say, but I hope so or we're screwed.

Posted by: aynrandgirl at September 10, 2006 8:53 AM

I'm surely not the only person to think that allowing Khatami into the country permits the flow of information and orders between Khatami and US cells without being subject to the usual electronic surveillance (as does, not coincidentally, a bunch of Saudi "students").

Does US intelligence have plans to eavesdrop in Khatami while he's here? Much harder to get anything on him back in Iran. It would be stupid and arrogant of Khatami to try and contact cell leaders, but Muslims are nothing if not contemptuous of infidels. Anybody he talks to is an obvious intelligence target (as are the students; allowing them in may be a brilliant stroke of intelligence genius, in a "keep your enemies closer" sort of way).

Is Bush practicing taqiyya when he talks about wanting to know more about Iran and acts in an apparently clueless manner after making a tough speech? Hard to say, but I hope so or we're screwed.

Posted by: aynrandgirl at September 10, 2006 8:59 AM

"Khatami, viewed as a reformist, ceded power last year to current President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, a conservative who has called for Israel to be "wiped off the map" and has been an outspoken critic of U.S. policies."

Khatami is another Jew-hating nut. Bet on it. Reform to him means better deception in following the policies of Ahmadinejad. He's like a moderate Nazi.

OK, so I'm a Naziphobe. Sue me, CAIR.

Posted by: Frank at September 10, 2006 9:00 AM

l cannot believe how most of you are falling for the trap. this is all smoke and mirrors, you invite the
enemy in, you may allow him him to think you have won, but in the end it will be the iranias who get caught. there are several reasons to let in this monsters, first you draw the stupid crowd, the eliteist who puff and throw themselves all over this ex.prez, but then most importantly you watch and record all the contacts of muslims this monsters attracts, yes phone calls coming into the country.
and you need to do this smoke and mirror to please the EU, UN and Democrat crowd that you have tried diplomacy, and all others things before you bomb the crap out of their nuclear sites. and lastly for the ones sitting on the fence, it allows them to hear how this ex.prez exposes himself as thug, killer and condenning terrorism towards the west including Isael.

Posted by: ZenaWarriorPrincess at September 10, 2006 9:00 AM

"Khatami, viewed as a reformist, ceded power last year to current President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, a conservative who has called for Israel to be "wiped off the map" and has been an outspoken critic of U.S. policies."

Khatami is another Jew-hating nut. Bet on it. Reform to him means better deception in following the policies of Ahmadinejad. He's like a moderate Nazi.

OK, so I'm a Naziphobe. Sue me, CAIR.

Posted by: Frank at September 10, 2006 9:00 AM

Bush is an idiot. Maybe instead of trying to 'listen' to what some taqiyyamaster hast to say, he should read a few books by Spencer, Bostom, Trifklovic, Emerson, etc. But why should we expect that. The Muslims gave him a gold Koran for his library, but the man refuses to crack it open, he prefers to 'listen.'

Posted by: John Sobieski at September 10, 2006 9:01 AM

l cannot believe how most of you are falling for the trap. this is all smoke and mirrors, you invite the
enemy in, you may allow him him to think they have won, but in the end it will be the iranias who get caught...

Yes, well as the ancient Roman saying goes "beware of Greeks bearing gifts," referring of course to the legendary Trojan Wars and the giant horse brought into the city. The rest they say is history.

This isn't "smoke and mirrors" given other circumstances of the way Bush handles things; rather it is another slap in the face to the American People.

The Bush-Kennedy-Clinton team are probably more anti-American than Khatami's views from my perspective, and I have no use for any of them.

Perhaps, Hitler should have been invited to speak at the National Cathedral in 1938 and been allowed to have speaking engagements around the country so that the German Bunds already in the country at the time, could be "identified?"

Somehow, that logic doesn't pan out in the context of historical fact and I don't think the logic will pan out in contemporary reality.

I can't help but wonder if Bush is a closet muslim himself and taking private catechism lessons from Khatami given his recent invitation to convert to islam!

I see no other reasons for Khatami to be invited to the US no matter how much I try to stretch the truth to favor Bush.

Posted by: witness at September 10, 2006 9:16 AM

I think the Iranian pres. will go back to Iran and declare an easy victory over the uncaring Americans....he has fallen into the trap.

Posted by: chrisinsouthc at September 10, 2006 9:25 AM

Frank, wake up! You've dozed off on the ENTER key!

Shy Guy and you have dangerous nuts on the other side of the aisle, ie, john kerry (did you know he servied in Vietnam?), pelosi, ted,burp kennedy, algore (did you know he invented the internet?), Clinton(s), Carter..you dont need these appologists.
l love it when you cant control your attacks on Bush, but when you think you have sunk low, you have to look way down to the above losers.
Posted by: ZenaWarriorPrincess at September 10, 2006 08:37 AM

Zena, you and I have very similar opinions. I fully agree with your list of idiotarians but they are not what's being discussed in the above news article.

This is not a question of who is the biggest idiot of them all. It is an immediate matter of which idiot is currently in control and causing the damage.

I have no problem calling a spade a spade, no matter which party he or she represents. Do you?

Posted by: Shy Guy at September 10, 2006 9:28 AM

Speaking of the fall of Troy and the old Roman saying, one might think of the fall of Roman herself, with the Barbarians inside the gates.

Histroy has an odd way of repeating itself and the mere fact that "Bush personally signed off on Khatami visit to U.S.," does not bode well for this country in my opinion.

But five years later, as the United States wrestles with questions of terrorism, civil liberties and immigration control, Muslims appear to be moving here again in surprising numbers, according to statistics collected by the Department of Homeland Security and the Census Bureau.

Immigrants from predominantly Muslim countries in the Middle East, North Africa and Asia are planting new roots in states from Virginia to Texas to California.

In 2005, more people from Muslim countries became legal permanent United States residents — nearly 96,000 — than in any year in the previous two decades

http://www.nytimes.com/2006/09/10/nyregion/10muslims.html?ei=5065&en=a8a8128eac7a167d&ex=1158465600&partner=MYWAY&pagewanted=print

Posted by: witness at September 10, 2006 9:55 AM

Shy Guy, when you hear the talking heads on tv, they all complain about how Bush snubs the iranians, they clamour for dialogue, the Democrats are the worst ones crying how no one is talking to the ianians.. well Bush is just trying to make it look good to allow this iranian ex pres. mobster in the country. its all smoke and mirrors.. buying time for when Bush bombs the crap out iranian nuclear sites.

Posted by: ZenaWarriorPrincess at September 10, 2006 10:08 AM

Zena, unlike your prior post, here I do not share in your assessment. Not at all.

Iran is cleaver enough to know that they can attack the west through anonymous and/or independent Islamic proxy groups and individuals throughout the world, without a shred of evidence pointing back to Iran. Such strikes will sooner or later include the possibility of nuclear attacks, whether dirty nukes or more sophisticated ones.

Only time will tell which of us is right. And time is not on our side.

Posted by: Shy Guy at September 10, 2006 10:21 AM

l try not to watch the talking heads on tv on sundays, l just scanned them over, on ABC with the STeppid boy, he had Garilick and Bensita both democrats Clintonoids, both on 9-11 commission.. the Benita talking head just sadi how the 2nd generation muslims are dissatisfied, and are birnging themselve to cause suicide killing, that we should not "judge them" because of the religion! well at least Bush has more of it right, he does see islamofacist, the blind Democrats still thinks the WEst's fault!! this
Benita guy actually blamed the Brits for the July 7th bombings,,not the murderous muslims! so you can better believe there are lots worse than Bush!

Posted by: ZenaWarriorPrincess at September 10, 2006 11:02 AM

Another despicable act in a series of many lately. I am sure the partisan brown-nosers like Michelle Malkin and Sean Hannity will put a laughable spin on this much like the partisan brown-nosers at moveon.org. The recent trend word of "politicizing" has me laughing out loud since both extremes make a living off of it.

There is as much to be disgusted about with this coming anniversary as there is to be proud of, and about the only group that I am proud of is our military, front-line troops.

All we can do is keep our friends and family informed with the facts, which people like Robert, Walid Phares, Steve Emerson, Bruce Hoffman and others have managed to do.

Posted by: amana39 at September 10, 2006 11:03 AM

Huh? If Bush and all those others at Harvard wanted to hear Khatami speak, we do now have this thing called conferencing. And it can now be set up so that rooms full of people can be in one spot in their country, and the guest terrorist...I mean speaker, can be back in his. And they can even see each other.

Gee...what a concept.

Posted by: samhein at September 10, 2006 11:04 AM

More evidence of unfinished mission in Afghanistan. This journalist is no expert on Islam, but he has done a lot of work into terrorist networks, specifically Bin Laden:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/09/08/AR2006090801614_pf.html

Posted by: amana39 at September 10, 2006 11:17 AM

Tongue in cheek, all we need is love♥
http://www.thepeoplescube.com/red/viewtopic.php?t=821

Posted by: Carolyn2 at September 10, 2006 11:43 AM

aynrandgirl -

One could grow wrinkles waiting to see the wisdom and subtlety of President Bush. Rather than subtlety, I have become convinced that he strives for stupidity, but falls short.

Posted by: Havoc at September 10, 2006 12:00 PM

Okay Bush what ever you think is best. When the iranian scum bag comes to New York its going to be the biggest outrage since pearl harbour. If he is allowed in this country after what he has said and advocated I quit. There wont be any use. Between anan and this walking bullseye lies tragedy for our way of life and children , is nobody listening.

Posted by: jacobyhammer at September 10, 2006 12:04 PM

RE: Pres. Bush- "I was interested to hear what he had to say," Bush told the Wall Street Journal in an interview.

Well President Bush...........he did not have many good things to say about you and your leadership.

Here is one example:

"Khatami scolded the Bush administration for its treatment of detainees and other alleged human rights abuses."

Khatami - "I do not deny that there are a lot of problems in Iran. But I would certainly say those are not [worse] than the problems and violations in places like Abu Ghraib and Guantanamo," Khatami said at a news conference before a speech at Washington National Cathedral, referring to the former U.S. military prison at Abu Ghraib near Baghdad and the U.S. prison at Guantanamo Bay, Cuba. "Let's condemn the violation of human rights wherever it takes place."

Read it here:
http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/world/la-fg-khatami8sep08,1,3695640.story

Posted by: Johnathan at September 10, 2006 12:35 PM

1-Worldness leftist liberal elitists bush does it again......... I voted for him twice and am ashamed of my second vote.

How many times will Bush slap America down????????

How can you allow some one into America that has promised to destroy America???? Do you need him to come to America and tell you to your face that iran intends on destroying America????

What is the Republican Party in Congress going to do about this????? Nothing as usual.........

You better prepare, become armed and be damn ready for it does not look good for the good guys from our executive branch of the government.

1-Worldness bush will hand us over to our enemies by his stupidity, elitism and 1-Worldness.

1-Worldness bush is not a fit president. How many thousands of Americans have been murdered and how many tens of thousands of Americans have been injured and harmed by illegals since 9/11, because 1-Worldness bush has refused to shutdown our borders??

1-Worldness bush may not be as bad as osama, but bush is trying to attain that level.......

Petrol was less then $1.50 per gallon when bush became president and now during his term it hit over $3.00 per gallon with out reason or rhyme except for greed............There have been no oil shortages, only greed.

1-Worldness will destroy America as surely as will islam.

We have two foes to overcome.

Prepare, be armed, be ready.

The Texican.
A prepared, armed and ready Christian. One of tens of millions.
The new Christians will not go silently into the night and this just piss offs the atheists, leftists and liberals to no end.
Be assured, we will pray and fight.
God, Family, America and Freedom, the only choice at any cost.

Posted by: Texican at September 10, 2006 12:50 PM

"The three words that compose the Esdrujula Explanation -- timidity, stupidity, cupidity -- explain the folly."

The ARTFL Project out of the University of Chicago has a Webster's dictionary page where one can do a global (or "floating") search for parts of words throughout the 1913 Webster's dictionary.

Just enter "idity", click "floating search", and there will appear all words with "idity" in it. After doing so, I came up with three more idities to explain the idiocy:

fixidity -- fixedness (one of the characteristics of the PC Multiculturalist template: its resistance to flexibility in the face of new and remarkable data)

fumidity -- the state of being fumid; smokiness ((another characteristic of the PC Multiculturalist template: its obfuscatory skotosis)

viscidity -- the state of being a glutinous, sticky concretion (another characteristic of the PC Multiculturalist template: its resistance to the dynamism of the operations of consciousness in their present-oriented noticing of data, attention to data, interpretation of data and coming to judgements and actions based upon a rational selection from among those interpretations)

http://humanities.uchicago.edu/orgs/ARTFL/forms_unrest/webster.form.html

Posted by: remote_control at September 10, 2006 1:46 PM

Despite 9-11; despite an increase in islamic terrorism around the world; despite thwarted terror plots involving U.S. planes; despite the continuing arrests of jihadists in the U.S.; despite the islamization of Europe; despite the traitorous display of support for Hezbollah in Dearborn by our upstanding, patriotic muslim citizens; DESPITE mounting evidence that islam has NOT been hijacked but is an inherently evil, predatory, violent, supremacist ideology, our stupid, irresponsible State Department is overjoyed to announce that they have imported 96,000 new potential muslim terrorists to the United States, and Bush is beside himself with satisfaction for dispursing 15,000 Wahabbi Saudis throughout America.

Could it be more blatantly apparent that the people calling the shots in Washington DON'T GET IT? Either they don't get it, or there is a concerted effort underway to create the same chaos in America that we see in Europe due to massive muslim immigration. Are we safer? Hell no! Every additional muslim that joins the ranks of the three or four or five million already here is one more threat to our security. Add to them their future offspring, and the threat multiplies.

Posted by: Susanp at September 10, 2006 2:18 PM

In Washington, Los Angeles, San Francisco and New York, when somebody says the magic words, "dialogue," it's as if they whispered "open sesame," all intellectual and moral principles begin to dissolve into some sentimental, soupy sludge.

That word, and the sentiment behind it, carries political force and weight in our country, and the West. Any enemy of our country can paralyze us by simply urging upon us "dialogue."

For those of us who see such "dialogue" as but a wedge, a veil, a ruse de guerre, we're called the blackest of warmongers. And that marginalizes us, brands us fringe, brands us, US, enemies of peace, and more, bigots. We take their religion seriously, we take their doctrine seriously, likewise the past. And we're called bigots. Those that dismiss their doctrine, their past, and their religion, and embrace some syncretic view of religion, where all will blur and blend into some harmonious, universal whole, they're deemed those that "respect" islam, though they don't take their words, their shariaa and their "prophet" seriously.

It's topsturvydom.

There is a rhetorical and political force out there that is our real enemy. Islam we can deal with, if as Henry V says to his troops, "All things be ready, if our mind be so." But if our mind, be NOT so, we've got serious troubles. Political correctness, rampant in our universities, media, especially print media, and most especially amongst our establishment, that's the real enemy.

I don't know about you, but the thought of that terror sponsor, women oppressor, shariaa implementer, visiting Monticello, simply makes my stomach turn. I literally feel sick to my stomach.

Posted by: Dan at September 10, 2006 2:41 PM

"Keep your friends close and your enemies closer". Old Sicilian poverb....

Posted by: Bohemond_1069 at September 10, 2006 4:00 PM

Sorry, should read "proverb", not "poverb".

Posted by: Bohemond_1069 at September 10, 2006 4:01 PM

That Dubya himself authorized this red-carpet welcome to terrorist Khatami, while US is under attack by Khatami's country,is not surprising. Dubya has a track-record of selling out America. Consider this:

- Holding hands with wahabi killers, aftr 9/11.
- Approving more visas to wahabi students, after 9/11.
- Granting amnesty to anyone who violated US borders.
- Retracting 'Islamo-fasist' after a call from wahabis in Riyadh.
- Escorting Bin LAden family to safety, after 9/11.
- Stalling 9/11 commission.
.. and so on.....

All this, after having his personal businesses financed by wahabis.

Now, is anyone really surprised Dubya is selling out American security?

To repeat, Dubya is timid and corrupt. What makes him dangerous is his use of highest office of president / commander-in-chief, to sell out America. Again, 'Fish starts rotting in the head' and American head was rotting much before he took the hightst office. Just that the stench was well covered by perfume, a brand-name perfume 'Lies'.

Posted by: Alert at September 10, 2006 4:39 PM

15,000 Saudi students educated for their entire K12 years in Wahabbi madressas and fanatically imbued with hate for infidels, Christians and Jews. Coming to America! Wow!

Thanks a lot State Department. I guess you are still wondering how people can fly planes into buildings.

Probably the ideal place for the madressa graduates to get a college education here is the Harvard School of Government, which seems to be bent on installing an American Caliphate, no doubt with the HSG acting as its Sharia advisor.

From a post above, quoting Professor Bombgluck of Harvard School of Government:

"I hope that the incredibly talented students at Harvard will grill Khatami on the many issues which prevent America from being a responsible member of the world community," said Joseph Bombgluck who teaches Comparative Histrionics. "Khatami should be expecting to answer some hard-ball questions about the legitimacy of falsified elections in Florida and Ohio, the Republican genocide of African Americans in New Orleans, the corporate glass ceiling that denies women access to the boardrooms, the absence of free healthcare, and the primitive American mindset that views President Bush as some sort of 'supreme leader.'"

The federal government should absolutely bar any graduates from the Harvard School of Government from any federal employment. From the vitriol of this professor, it can be concluded that the HSG is nothing more than a university-level madressa. When roundup time comes, lets not forget the professors. I hope this guy is not collecting any of my tax money. Parents, keep your kids away from this place.

Posted by: Jimmy Bones at September 10, 2006 4:46 PM

Susanp,
I heard on FNC this morning that 2005 was the year of the most muslim immigrants since 2001.

What is going on? Surely our government is not stupid, that leaves the other, scarier option...that our govenment intends to have a Balkanization of the USA.

Posted by: Carolyn2 at September 10, 2006 6:21 PM

Texican,
You and I are thinking the same thoughts.

Posted by: Carolyn2 at September 10, 2006 6:27 PM

I see that Kay got the same message about immigration.
http://www.jihadwatch.org/archives/013054.php#c267441

Posted by: Carolyn2 at September 10, 2006 6:46 PM

**Osama effigy watch**

Hangin' rally to begin in 20 minutes...

original story:
http://www.jihadwatch.org/archives/013029.php#comments

UAC website:

http://www.unitedamericancommittee.org/

-XRDC

Posted by: XRDC at September 10, 2006 6:46 PM

And RS at Dhimmiwatch
http://www.jihadwatch.org/dhimmiwatch/archives/013048.php

Posted by: Carolyn2 at September 10, 2006 6:48 PM

Fat Chance! If anyone wants to think nuclear in a desert is peaceful, with billions of gallons of oil under it, then it's obvious these types of people never went to college with them back in the 70's. It's also apparent they're brainwashed in believing in lies.
Drop the bomb, or we'll all die!

Posted by: Jeff at September 10, 2006 7:21 PM

“Bush personally signed off on Khatami visit to U.S.”

WOW, I should have wasted my vote on Kerry. How many of our tax dollars will be spent on protection for this penis? I’ve been studying Islam since 2001, Why can’t Bush? What on Earth is our government doing? I am positive that our “Best and brightest” in homeland security knows about the threat we face. There is no way they don’t. Our representatives can’t speak frankly because of PC and the massive butt whoopin were taking in this propaganda war.

If we were truly represented, all of us here in UndisclosedExtremelySmallTownCountryVille would be recognized. No, we are not wealthy but we are a massive chunk of this country that I love. We all have our collection of hunting rifles and are very familiar with yardage and ammo, and to mention camo and tracking.

If any jihad mongers are reading this hear me now; you will never take this country! Trust me, it will not take long at all for the massive percentage of us to stop tracking deer and hunting squirrel and turn our skills onto you.

Posted by: weekendhammerman at September 10, 2006 7:37 PM

Dan wrote:

In Washington, Los Angeles, San Francisco and New York, when somebody says the magic words, "dialogue," it's as if they whispered "open sesame," all intellectual and moral principles begin to dissolve into some sentimental, soupy sludge.

That word, and the sentiment behind it, carries political force and weight in our country, and the West. Any enemy of our country can paralyze us by simply urging upon us "dialogue."
...........

This is so true. Some moron with the European Union (sorry, I don't remember his name) involved in talks with Iran in Austria said that as long as they were involved in "dialogue" there would *never* be sanctions.

I'm used to a lot of idiocy at this point, but even I was stunned. He didn't mention anything that Iran must do, or even say something vague like Iran must be involved in "good faith dialogue".

A lot of people in my neck of the woods (San Francisco Bay Area) seemed to take Ahmadinijad's letter to Bush as a genuine desire to open a dialogue with the US (which we were of course so mean-spirited as to break off when our Embassy was taken over in 1979), rather than the call to convert and thinly veiled threat that it was.

I have this horrible vision of Iran at the table, so to speak, while at the same time completely blowing off the IAEA and developing nuclear weapons--while the West barely notices, because after all we are involved *in dialogue*.

Deeply disturbing that we can be so naive.

Posted by: gravenimage at September 10, 2006 8:00 PM

Think that is bad, wait until October when the Pope gives Khatami a private audience.

Posted by: Nariz at September 10, 2006 11:06 PM

DennisW, that website and quote is an opinion, and a politically motivated, divisive opinion at that.

If there is any similarity between the Mullahs and a mindset, it is this:

American Conservatives more or less equal Muslims.

Islam is the antithesis of everything a liberal stands for, it is antichoice, antifreedom, antifree speech, religiously afflicted and obsessed, it is homophobic, misogynistic, intolerant and harsh and gasp I just described Christian fundamentalists and the Catholic Church..not to mention the voting base of Bush (as distinquished from his real base, the corporate elite, those guys with the real money and power).

Posted by: Nariz at September 10, 2006 11:13 PM

the kindest to say about Bush now is that he is a double-talker. How can we see his "war on terror" as anything but a joke, a fake-out? Indeed, we need a war on Islamic jihadists. But Bush can't lead it. Nobody can be sure which side he's on anyhow. Not even Zena. The smoke and mirrors act, Zena, is working against civilization and in favor of Hitler, oops, I meant ahmadinajad. What baloney about "listening to each other" and "hearing what he has to say." Hasn't the world been through all that fakery before? Robert Spencer is 100% right when he says: 1938 alert! Indeed, we are now in 1938, if not 1939. The problem for Americans is that the Democrats are no better. They can't even talk a good game.

Posted by: Eliyahu at September 11, 2006 7:01 AM

I'm not a Bush apologist, but there are a few things to consider.
He is a member of an ecumenical faith which believes we all worship the same God, no matter which faith we follow.
Then, Condi Rice never was wrapped too tight. Now that she is over at State being fed a daily dose the Dick Armitage mindset, she isn't much help.
This, coupled with a CIA that tries to embarrass Bush at every turn, makes for poor decision making on the part of Bush.
I can't think of any White House advisor that has a grasp of the real world situation, especially anything having to do with Islam. The amazing thing is that Dubya hasn't turned into a Peanut Jimmy. Yet.

Posted by: cactus at September 11, 2006 10:59 AM

It is entirely within the realm of possibility that al-lah, the deity of Islam, is SATAN. Permitting this mullah, Khatami, who worships and wars against Christianity in the name of al-lah into a Christian House of worship is therefore sacrilegious. Islam actively seeks destruction of the Christian faith and has eliminated it from many parts of the world. Why on earth would anyone consider such allowing a Muslim into a church???

Bush needs to listen to HIS OWN PEOPLE before he listens to any such openly hostile mullahs et al. If he doesn't want to do that, maybe he doesn't need to be president anymore.

Posted by: pythagoras at September 11, 2006 1:20 PM

Khatami is a POS crazed Mullah, but
You all are being far too hard on Bush.
He just went along with the wuss-State Dept recommendation to let him in. Yet this was just a visa, not a state visit; at least Bush didnt invite him to the WH and give him a wet kiss like Clinton did with Arafat.

The greater disappointment is with those institutions who invited him. Harvard Hates America, indeed!

This country has survived the visits of Castro and Krushchev and assorted maleactors like Arafat and Saudi princes... These are both dangerous and useful: Useful when the American people can get educated on how bad these men are, dangerous when it gives them false legitimacy. On that score, enough push-bask was made that the point is made wrt Iran.

Kudos to Mitt Romney for his stance on Khatami and goose eggs for our insitutions of 'higher learning' who gave red carpet to a front-man for the Iranian dictatorship.

Posted by: Patrick at September 11, 2006 2:33 PM

"
Khatami is a POS crazed Mullah,

"Islam is the antithesis of everything a liberal stands for, it is antichoice, antifreedom, antifree speech, religiously afflicted and obsessed, it is homophobic, misogynistic, intolerant and harsh and gasp I just described Christian fundamentalists and the Catholic Church..not to mention the voting base of Bush (as distinquished from his real base, the corporate elite, those guys with the real money and power)."

This is a load of BS on so many levels.
Yes, you've encapsulated the left-liberal mindeset of how conservatives and Christians think, but you've only exposed your own narrowminded prejudice by assigning labels as you did.

Consider how you have distorted the conservative view:

1) Conservatives are pro-freedom -
Freedom from taxes; economic freedom (capitalism); political freedom ie against Govt owning newspapers, PC rules, campaign regulations, etc;

2) 'anti-choice' - from guns, to social security to keeping parental rights, conservatives are pro-choice. oh, you meant, 'prochoice' on killing unborn humans? well, any humane person would consider human life a moral issue. There are many pro-life liberals and pro-life conservatives... do all those get dumped into 'just like a muslim' bucket?
3) 'antifree speech' - given the exercise in censorship by the Clintonistas this past week on the ABC docudrama nobody holds a candle to the left on censorship. "hate speech" is leftwing censorship. So is the silencing of conservative views done on campus through intimidation of conservatives. Liberals are more antifree-speech than conservatives, I can say from personal experience as well as what goes on daily in USA.
4) 'religiously afflicted' said against a religious sect, that's circular logic; atheists think its an 'affliction', but factual point of view your comment boils down to "Catholics and Christians are just like Muslims because they are religious". BFD.
5) 'homophobic' is a politicized term created by Gay Rights crowd that basically is meaningless rehtorical psychopathologizing. 70% of American voters reject the oxymoron called gay marriage.
protecting traditional marriage homophobic? balderdash.
But at least there would be one way to get Khatami disinvited to Harvard ... they should have made his speech topic "Islamic view of homosexuality"
6) 'misogynistic' - This introduces a complete apples and oranges view of a topic. Let see: taliban forced women out of schools, and has burka'd women - okay, sexist. Then there are rad Feminists in Berkely who screech 'misogynist' when you give a doll as a girl's present and truck as a boy's present. Conservatives today dont approve of our feminized 'feel your pain' politics, but are supporting women's full participation in economy and political world. Sticking the same 'misogynist' label on two vastly different mindsets is rhetorical bait-and-switch.
7) 'intolerant and harsh' ... Well, lookee here, there is more inolterance and harshneess from the shrill left than from any group in American politics. This posting itself reeks of prejudice against 'people of Christian faith'.
I find the liberals who make this claim are simply exposing their own prejudices.

bottom-line: Attempts to pair American conservative thinking with Islam are ludicrous. It amounts to the lie that if you dont fully agree with the liberal view on the matter, you are 'just like' the taliban. That is a pile of garbage. In the old days, the liberals liked to use the word "McCarthyism" when that kind of argument was made. Yet I find them the #1 practitioners of that cheap rhetorical stunt are liberals themselves.

Posted by: Patrick at September 11, 2006 3:07 PM