These silly Muslims. Just cannot stand to hear the truth.

Posted by: exsgtbrown at September 14, 2006 9:54 AM

"Whatever has been said against our Prophet is unbearable," the group's chief Masarat Alam said. "It should be condemned by all."..........
.................................................

No. Old mo should BE condemned by everyone. Even the muslims who have suffered under his insanity should condemn him for the lifeless existence they endure day after day. They don't really live. They just survive. They should stop their insanity.

Posted by: freewoman at September 14, 2006 9:55 AM

I am guilty. Mea culpa. I had not read the story about the Pope, eben if I had vaguely heard something about it on TV.

I like it very much !

I just wonder why the many newspapers that I read every day didn't tell me about his speech.

Maybe I should move to India.

Posted by: POITIERS-LEPANTO at September 14, 2006 10:00 AM

The Indian government is the most dhimmified in the world. But they can't stop the words from getting out on the internet and by word of mouth.

I suspect the muslims in India are the most crazed anywhere on the planet. Which is saying a lot. And the reason they are like that is that the native indian population is so inherently milquetoast that it spurs the muslims to be conversely aggressive.

This obscene dynamic is caused by, what I call, Dhimmi's Law.

Dhimmi's Law: The propensity for bellicose indignation and violence of muslims in any host society is directly, but inversely, proportional to the degree of docility of the native population.

Posted by: August22 at September 14, 2006 10:04 AM

"The Muslim league, a Kashmiri separatist group, called for a protest Friday over the pope's comments."

By protest I assume they mean killing, looting, burning and the general muslim hysterics.

Posted by: JanuaryMan at September 14, 2006 10:05 AM

"The Indian government is the most dhimmified in the world. But they can't stop the words from getting out on the internet and by word of mouth."

Yes, our politicians, most of them, are way PC. But that did not stop the major newspapers from carrying the pope's statements. All the major English and Hindi dailies carried it, and I was pleasantly surprised to read about what the Pope said.

Posted by: arjun.sevak at September 14, 2006 10:37 AM

Police in Indian Kashmir seized newspapers carrying Pope Benedict XVI's strong criticisms of Islam and jihad, fearing a Muslim backlash in the flashpoint area.

Posted by: mimamsaka at September 14, 2006 10:53 AM

Indian officials are trying to keep word from getting out, Posted by Robert.
It’s not working.
Shhhh, muslims are killing people all over the globe, but mums the word.
It is not as though we care if our people are killed, we just don’t want to make a big stink about it. In other words, lie down and die you stupid Infidels and quit complaining. The jihadis have a perfect right to kill. It says so in their book!
How dumb do they think we are?

Posted by: tgusa at September 14, 2006 10:53 AM

Wouldn't it be easier for someone like CAIR to release a statement that says: 'any comment by any person/government at any time regarding Islam could/will cause a violent reaction by any/all followers of the faith that will be the fault of the person/government issuing the statement and not the responsibility of the followers of Islam.'

Posted by: s at September 14, 2006 10:59 AM

This is truly blasphemy.. The Pope should be tried in a muslim court imediately...and a fatwa issued for his death. What Ruskie did pales by example.

To borrow a phrase from the path to 9-11, Who knew that the Pope had "balls of steel". I think they will need to reinforce the Popemoble. We will see if the Iranians have the courage to issue the fatwa against the worldwide religious leader of one of the largest groups of non-believers.

Posted by: GrimReaperxxx at September 14, 2006 11:00 AM

Pope Benedict leads us to Authentic Light which will overcome the darkness...

http://www.vatican.va/holy_father/benedict_xvi/index.htm

Rainbow at Birkenau

(note 5th picture down)
http://www.ratzingerfanclub.com/blog/2006/05/pope-benedict-xvi-auschwitz-and-nature.html

http://www.ejpress.org/article/8610

Posted by: adobe at September 14, 2006 11:15 AM

A violent response from Muslims is the only response they give.

Posted by: exsgtbrown at September 14, 2006 11:20 AM

Goes to show that the Muslims are so thin skin. Grow up Muslims and get with the 21st century.

Posted by: bigcatgirl13106 at September 14, 2006 11:59 AM

Maybe I am missing something here; I don't think the Pope was critical of islam, merely condeming the "extreme" interpretations of it.

Nevertheless, this attack on the school reminds me of Beslan.

There is nothing extreme about jihad or murder in islam; it is the religion of death!

Posted by: witness at September 14, 2006 12:01 PM

Radical islam is fundamental islam.
Protest THAT, savages.

Posted by: Know Your Enemy at September 14, 2006 12:08 PM

"witness"

The Pope is indeed being critical of ISLAM. Last year he gave an interview during which he was asked what he thought of Islam. He stated that the militants are correctly interpreting jihad and the Qur'an, since mainstream Islam holds that every word of the Qur'an is ipsissima Dei, which means "from the lips of God." In other words, everything in the Qur'an is eternal, uncreated, literal truth. The Pope was asked if Islam could be reformed, and he stated that it is unlikely, given the above hermeneutics.

I am amazed that you would infer that the Pope was commenting only on the extremists. Have you read any of Robert's books? Have you ever read the Qur'an? Have you read Serge Trifkovic's "The Sword of the The Prophet?" Have you read Andrew G. Bostom's "The Legacy of Jihad?" Have you read any of Bat Ye'or's books about jihad and dhimmitude?

Your response indicates that we have a long, long way to go before most of the population is exposed to the truth about Islam and its scriptures. I don't mean to insult you, since you may be very new to this subject and have just come in from the dark. Spend some more time in the light and you will get up to speed.

Posted by: Fred at September 14, 2006 12:22 PM

the Pope says that jihad violence is against God's nature, and officials fear that in response, Muslims enraged by this insult will commit...jihad violence.

Another excuse for jihad, courtesy of circular reasoning.

Posted by: MarisolJW at September 14, 2006 12:27 PM

Let me get this right. I want to understand
Islamic reasoning. Islam is peace, and we will kill anyone who claims otherwise.

Posted by: David England at September 14, 2006 12:32 PM

Thank you, Mr. Pope for speaking the Truth. Maybe you need to run for president. Seems like the Vatican is free of foreign oil money :-)

F I N A L L Y we have at least ONE Western Leader speaking what so many of us are thinking - especially in Europe where self-censorship is even more prevalent than on the campuses of Berkeley, Yale and Harvard combined.

May the Papal words serve to liberate the tongues of those whose minds are free and questioning the current status quo already.. may his words serve to open the minds of those who have been too afraid to think for themselves so that they will begin to consider what it is that people in the Resistance are saying - AND WHY we are saying thse things.

[The muftis and the PC dhimmi liberals will say we are motivated by racism and xenophopia. I say: the vast majority of us don't even have the time to waste on this stuff and do so only in the face of graven danger. Why do i feel like Linda Hamilton in T1 trying to explain the Terminator and its nature to the police who in turn lock her up in jail? Let us continue to to yank Ostrich heads from the sand of ignorance! The racism/xenophobia shoe is firmly on allah's foot and all his mohamedans. Ditto for the PC crowd and our Quislings in Office and the MSM.]

The Resistance has just begun. The Resistance will NOT be televised.

Posted by: germaninamerica at September 14, 2006 12:47 PM

If any harms should befall this courageous Pope.. what shall our reaction be? The MSM in Germany have not done anything to inform their readers about the mufti turk who rand a German pastor's bell yesterday, and then stab him within an inch of his life. Instead they've chosen to report on the shootings in Montreal. The guy's name is ambiguous and it seems he was active in the goth scene so the MSM are jumping on non-mufti violence since it is indeed so rare!

The German people are not nearly as stupid as we are being sold off as by our "leaders" and our MSM. We have it much worse than here in the USA in that regard. I know many of you don't believe it can be worse. Well it CAN be! so let's not allow it to get any worse and instead turn this cart around

Posted by: germaninamerica at September 14, 2006 12:54 PM

Telling the truth costs lifes, it´s sad, but the braveness is necessary for christians, and the sucessor of Peter must be brave, God Bless Benedict XVI

Posted by: Franze at September 14, 2006 1:01 PM

What's funny, in a macabre way, is that instead of making the Pope look foolish with peaceful protest, we will probably see Muslims using violence like they did during the Cartoon Jihad. Christians in Muslim lands (including Europe)better watch themselves.

When one looks at the vast number of atrocities commited in the name of Islam, it's amazing to me more people haven't opened their eyes. Yes, there is growing awareness but it boggles my mind that attack after attack after attack happens and we still see Muslims and their dhimmi apologists parroting the same lies and no so called "journalist" calls them on it. Just once I'd like to hear a reporter quote that great line by Frank Zappa "Now, who you jivin' with that Cosmik Debris?"

Posted by: Proud Infidel at September 14, 2006 1:25 PM

This Pope means business and says it like it is. I think the West now has a leader for the times, who understands the danger of the evil threat, better than most others.

His well considered words, expressed more in sorrow than in anger, need to be cherished and made known to a much wider audience, while he himself needs to be carefully protected so that he can lead the catholic, if not the entire christian world to greater wisdom amd courage in dealing with this evil cult called islam.

Posted by: Dunk at September 14, 2006 1:52 PM

Wow! Imagine how much simpler the task of editing "the news" if all the newspapers were simply owned by "jihadists," as has been talked about recently. If and when they do so, don't forget to give some credit to MP George Galloway, who in his early August appearance [on al-Jazerra? sp-?] bemoaned the fact Islamists [had already] passed up several important British media outlets, and instead were gambling away their money in London casinos.

Posted by: wholebrainer at September 14, 2006 2:19 PM

This belief by some in India that they must censor in their newpapers even the remarks of the Pope, the head of a church with more than a billion adherents, is prompted by the same fears of those who in the West who thought it would have been right to prevent Jyullands-Posten from exercising its freedom of speech, in Denmark, for a Danish audience, in order to prevent "offending" Muslims.

And both in India, and in Denmark, the self-censorship or attempts at self-censorship will not assuage Muslims, who if they are to change their behavior, much less their beliefs or their texts, will have to understand that the world of non-Muslims (we are, after all, 85% of the world's population) are well aware of what Islam teaches, of what those texts -- Qur'an, hadith, and sira -- contain, and it is Muslims, not Infidels, who have something to explain. A strategy for "convivencia" that relies on the acceptance, by non-Muslims, of nonsense and lies, the fruits of taqiyya and tu-quoque apologetics, relies on the willful participation by Infidels in a charade of "interfaith dialogue" that is never real dialogue, that never gets to the real issues, the matters which explain the uniquely threatening nature of Muslim populations (as compared to all the other immigrants -- the Hindus from India, the Buddhists from Vietnam, the Confucians and followers of other belief-systems among the Chinese, the assorted arrivals bearing with them every variety of Christianity or syncretistic version of it--who come, bearing alien creeds, but not alien and hostile creeds) to the Infidels among whom they have been allowed to settle, with insufficient investigation of the peculiar problems, and dangers, to Infidel legal, political, and social instutitions and arrangements and understandings, that are flatly contradicted by the letter, and spirit, of Islam.

This is a subject on which guesses and pious wishes must not be a substitute for study and thought, no matter what might have to be learned, and how difficult it might be to fully accept what we do learn. For we are not, after all, Podsnaps. We are not willing to snap our fingers and put those “disagreeables” behind us, as Podsnap did, “for they offended him.”

Posted by: Hugh at September 14, 2006 3:07 PM

Long live the Pope!
What I am waiting for, however, is for the liberal "Catholics" in their incredible naivete to come out in criticism of the Holy Father's statements. I imagine that bevies of labirynthe-walking, navel-gazing, relativist nunnie-bunnies will join with their Islamic sisters (who are, by the way, dressed in religious garb!) to denounce the hateful remarks of this "reactionary pontiff."
I wonder if Catholic university professors will promptly set-up special group discussions on the Religion of Peace. There will doubtless also be those who remind us that the pope's statements are not infallible unless they meet the strict criteria, etc., etc., etc.
Or will countless "with-it" parishes sponsor joint baloon launchings for peace with their mild-mannered Muslim neighbors?
Thank you, Your Holiness, for respectfully speaking the OBVIOUS truth, around which our politicians, clergy and other leaders are gingerly gandy-dancing in a feckless effort not to offend their bomb-girt, sward-wielding r.o.p. neighbors.

Posted by: Sansantiago at September 14, 2006 3:26 PM

ASTANA, Kazakstan—Pope John Paul II said Monday that the Catholic Church respects “authentic Islam,” making the distinction between it and the fanaticism that some fear will stigmatize the religion in the wake of the U.S. attacks.

http://www.dailyutahchronicle.com/media/storage/paper244/news/2001/09/25/WorldReport/Pope-Says.Islam.Is.Respected.Religion-100232.shtml?norewrite200609141531&sourcedomain=www.dailyutahchronicle.com

Fred:

Help me to understand; is "Pope Benedict XVI's strong criticisms of Islam and jihad," different than John Paul's?

Is he now saying that the former policy is changed?

Posted by: witness at September 14, 2006 3:36 PM

Despite President Bush’s typically unfortunate use of the word “crusade” after 9/11, American policy became notably more sensitive toward Islam. The pope meanwhile made a point of apologizing to the Muslim world for the original Crusades.

http://www.arabnews.com/?page=7§ion=0&article=61500&d=3&m=4&y=2005

Even those who detest the memory of the crusades overestimate their importance: Pope John Paul II even apologised for them...

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,923-2317567,00.html

Help me out here; am I to understand that this has all changed now by ?Pope Benedict XVI's strong criticisms of Islam

I'm not seeing it -- so if it is there tell me how I am missing it.

Posted by: witness at September 14, 2006 4:33 PM

Pope Benedict XVI's strong criticisms of Islam and jihad...

Okay, I've looked at what Benedict actually said at it appears that he only made two quotes and actually said (paraphrasing) "...jihad violence is against God's nature...."

Why is it that I can not see this as a blanket criticism of islam and not merely making a distinction between radical islam and the "great religon" of islam that John Paul urged his faithful to "respect?"

I'd like to get excited too, but I can not see how anything has changed since the days of John Paul; and I sure can not see where Benedict says anywhere that John Paul was either wrong -- or things today are now different.

Show me; I'd like to see it too!

And yes, I have read and enjoyed Robert's books.

Should I be looking there for Benedict's criticism of islam?

Posted by: witness at September 14, 2006 6:06 PM

Here is the full speech, it is being mischaracterized.

http://zenit.org/english/visualizza.phtml?sid=94748

Posted by: rich at September 14, 2006 6:57 PM

go go Catholics. Keep it up.

Posted by: Texican at September 14, 2006 7:34 PM

Just as a matter of historical accuracy, Pope John Paul II never apologized to the Muslim world for the Crusades. He apologized to Greek Orthodox Christians for the Fourth Crusade which led to the sacking of Constantinople in 1204 by the crusaders.

Eight hundred years after the Fourth Crusade, Pope John Paul II twice expressed sorrow for the events of the Fourth Crusade.

In 2001, he wrote to Christodoulos, Archbishop of Athens, saying "It is tragic that the assailants, who set out to secure free access for Christians to the Holy Land, turned against their brothers in the faith. The fact that they were Latin Christians fills Catholics with deep regret."

In 2004, while Bartholomew I, Patriarch of Constantinople, was visiting the Vatican, John Paul II asked "How can we not share, at a distance of eight centuries, the pain and disgust."

In the opinion of Jonathan Phillips, this was "an extraordinary statement — an apology to the Greek Orthodox Church for the terrible slaughter perpetrated by the warriors of the Fourth Crusade" (Phillips, The Fourth Crusade and the Sack of Constantinople, intro., xiii).

It is curious though that Western Christians are supposed to apologize to Muslims for trying to recover the Holy Land for Christianity but Muslims are not expected to apologize for seizing the Holy Land from Christians in the first place! Why don't they apologize first?

In any event, I appreciated the opportunity to set the record straight about what Pope John Paul II actually did.

Posted by: Josef Serf at September 14, 2006 11:14 PM

All Headline News has an article titled
"Muslim Leaders Call Pope's Remarks Anti-Islamic"
http://www.allheadlinenews.com/articles/7004863159

Their Mastermind Special Subject - "The Bleeding Obvious"!

Lucky for them the Pope toned it down. :)

Posted by: Xaragma at September 14, 2006 11:25 PM

August 22 wrote:

Dhimmi's Law: The propensity for bellicose indignation and violence of muslims in any host society is directly, but inversely, proportional to the degree of docility of the native population.
..................

Ha! This is very true, and succinctly put.

They take any gentleness or tolerance as signs of weakness to be exploited. Show actual signs of fear or desire to appease, and they smell blood.

Posted by: gravenimage at September 15, 2006 12:20 AM

the state and central governments are completely dhimmified. bloody leaders cant look beyond their noses. muslims have successfully managed to bully successive governments into submitting.
anyways kudos to the pope for what he said. i hope my leaders pick up some of his courage.

Posted by: bulletkrishna at September 15, 2006 4:37 AM

"..the Pope said we are violent...kill them..kill them!"

Posted by: pismopal at September 15, 2006 6:33 AM

It is curious though that Western Christians are supposed to apologize to Muslims for trying to recover the Holy Land for Christianity but Muslims are not expected to apologize for seizing the Holy Land from Christians in the first place!

Very good point! I've always wondered about that too!

Why don't they apologize first?

Won't happen naturally

In any event, I appreciated the opportunity to set the record straight about what Pope John Paul II actually did.

Posted by: Josef Serf

Much appreciated.

You say, "He (John Paul) apologized to Greek Orthodox Christians for the Fourth Crusade which led to the sacking of Constantinople in 1204 by the crusaders...."

May I have the reference for this for my file?

Thanks.

Posted by: witness at September 15, 2006 8:45 AM

Oh by the way, as most of you know, I have a differing view on the papacy from what Catholics have.

However, I will gladly applaude the Pope if he really took a stand against Islam.

I've read the text offered here and paraphrased elsewher; I see no justification whatsoever for claiming that Pope criticized Islam.

Sorry, but it just isn't there! I wish it was! I want it to be! But it is not there!

On the other hand some muslims are see things that are not there too, just like they did with those Danish cartoons and have gone bonkers.

That can only be a good thing.

I give more credit to this Pope than to the last one, and Benedict has more substance than Blair when it comes to taking a stand.

I would be thrilled if he had the guts to say John Paul was wrong about Islam being worthy of respect, and if he did more than give two quotes from someone else.

In fact, he doesn't say that he agrees with the quote or if his faithful should either; and Fr. O'Mally is still telling his congregation that Jews, Christians, and islamics all worship the same God!

I'm looking very very hard at this with as open a mind as possible -- but I see no coming out against islam as many of you are claiming.

Please show me where I am wrong!

Posted by: witness at September 15, 2006 8:58 AM

New Pope Shows Spine
Islamonazi CAIR Is Not Impressed

http://www.terrorfreeoil.org/videos/MS091506.php - video

Please Call The Vatican Embassy In Washington, DC at (202) 333-7121 to Express Your Support!

Posted by: Terror-Free Oil at September 15, 2006 5:31 PM

henry,
Don't try to convince witness or anyother obvious anti-Catholic. The truth is in front of their eyes and they don't want to see it.

Instead of applauding the Pope for his authetnic witness, they can only find fault. People like him are not true friends in our struggle against islam.

Posted by: adobe at September 15, 2006 7:16 PM

Dear Readers
Jihad or holy war begain when the role model started beheading very many jews in the so called holy cities mecca-medina. currently indian government-centre-state give lot money to perform haji to round about a black stone, the so called haji go and throuhg lot stone against the devil, last year while throughing the stones at satan/devil, satan retaliated and killed all those who were stonning at him?, what a wonderfull hajis, A REAL THREAD TO THE WHOLE WORLD, the role model of the 14th century.
No one can talk,speak the truth, anyone speak the truth the so called VERY PEACEFUL RELIGION become violent,burn down anything they see,
suicide bombers,train-bombing,bus-bombing,all the so called jihad in the name of allllaaaah and the role model. If you speak the truth very sure to have protest,or another jihad or holy war will waged against all the non-islam, i do not understand why this so called PEACEFUL RELIGIOS COMMUNITY becoming violent?, they fear the TRUTH WILL BE OUT, if we take or read the biogrphy of the role model will be very surprising..every terror dogma in role model own words are very clear...i hear the j&k mullahs and immas are called a protest on friday?, i think they are going to decalre a another jihad or fatwah, very interesting to hear such a word?
it should be taught a good lessons to this so called satans in the name of role model and alllaaaha, waging war against non-islamist.
For evey suicide bomber will be getting 72 virgins in HEAVEN, and the role model is waiting there with virgins, i think he is running out of virgins?, the so called famous insane like beslan - the holy warrior of role moel, killed more than 300 children, WTC and 3000 human being, i would say to all non-muslims, the war not started, yet the so called PEACEFUL RELIGION WILL WAGE unending war,till the end of world, that is real meaning of JIHAD or HOLY WAR?
The truth goes here, the Jewish people kept their good day as "SATURDAY", then comes christianity they choose "SUNDAY" then comes the so called self procalimed role model and the lust brond(6yr-old) and begain to worship at looking at ISRAEL, they chased him from there, and finally choose the day "FRIDAY", means the day of "BUCHERING". otherwise you watch an observe every FRIDAY IS A GOOD FRIDAY, on this day BEHEADING,MURDERS,SUICIDE,RAPE etc. The most dangerous CULT/LUST LEADER LIVED ON THIS PLANET?

Posted by: abdul_narayan_desouza at September 16, 2006 6:44 AM

I would just like to point out an obvious part of this issue. His holiness Pope Benedict the 16th made the comment that the extremist Muslims who practice jihad are acting against Gods will by using violence, pointing out that this is directly against our loving God's nature. The Pope is courageously setting the record straight: God abhors violence and promotes the opposite: love. If saying this is offending the Muslims, then let them be both offended and ashamed of this;God is peaceful and any violence said to be in his name is evil and not from god at all. Another thing also, it is a bit hypocritical of these outspoken Muslims that they react against the Popes words with such strong inflaming promises of Revolt. They are simply sparking off what the Pope is afraid and critical of: violonce. Perhaps these Muslims should put strengh behind what they say and prove that they are indeed represent of a peaceful and non-violent religion by reacting in such a way; with Peaceful and calm dialogue.

Posted by: Laurence at September 17, 2006 3:40 AM