Frère Jacques, Frère Jacques: dormez-vous?

Pas trop longtemps, on espère.

Prophet Geoff

Posted by: Geoff at September 15, 2006 12:52 AM

"Many French people believe their country is less of a target for Islamist-inspired attacks because of France's stance over Iraq"
The 'logic' of appeasement. They just don't get it.

Posted by: EnglishBlondie at September 15, 2006 1:05 AM

For Muslims, France is an Infidel country. Therefore it is part of Bilad al-kufr, the Lands of the Infidels, undifferentiated by national history, literature, language, culture, all of them lumped together in Muslim minds as the lands of the Infidels. France is part of Dar al-Harb. It deserves to have war made on it. Nothing it does about the hijab in schools, nothing it does about anything else, will matter. It is a civilization of, by, and for non-Muslims. That is it. Nothing to be done. France must suffer.

But the French refuse to grasp that. They mock the entirley mockable George Bush. They mock the Americans, and abandon Israel, allowing themselves to give in to the worst features of French (and)European life: antisemitism, and anti-Americanism. They refuse to make the connection between the Lesser Jihad on Israel, the Bigger Jihad on America, and the Greater Jihad that is waged, through various instruments, against all Infidels. They are harsher than the English, and eventually they may come to their senses as those in England may not.

But at what cost? And when?

Posted by: Hugh at September 15, 2006 1:07 AM

And yet there are still those who actually believe that kissing butt will win them friends.

Posted by: krkrjak at September 15, 2006 1:11 AM

And yet there are still those who actually believe that kissing butt will win them friends.

Posted by: krkrjak at September 15, 2006 1:14 AM

Two years ago, I sat with a buddy over coffee and told him "The French will get the message when the the Muslims start bombing their trains and cities.." Their last epiphany came only after they heard the sound of German boots marching in their cities. What does it take?

Posted by: desertdawg29palms at September 15, 2006 1:53 AM

Bros. Jacques and the Whore of Babylon will soon be sleeping with the fishes.

Le gascon garcon did a great job of reinforcing impressions of French cowardice and treachery in France's latest bungles regarding the Lebanonese "Peace" Corps:

see this link:

http://www.zaman.com/?bl=international&alt=&trh=20060913&hn=36494

text is as follows:

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Chirac Overheard Expressing Concern over Hezbollah
By Zaman, Anadolu News Agency (aa), Madrid, Ankara
Wednesday, September 13, 2006
zaman.com

French President Jacques Chirac was overheard expressing his concern about the future of Lebanon due to the strong Hezbollah presence in the country.
A microphone accidentally left on recorded part of the conversation between Spanish Prime Minister Jose Luis Rodriguez Zapatero and Chirac at the Sixth Euro-Asia summit in Helsinki, Finland. The broadcast revealed Chirac’s concern about the future of the U.N. peacekeeping force to be deployed in Lebanon. According to the recording aired by the Spanish radio station Cadenaser, Chirac said: “In my opinion there won't be any problem for the next two or three months because Hezbollah is a little weaker. But in three, four or five months it could be dangerous. I’m a little worried about the future.”

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So, after the Israeli 'defeat', Hezbollah is somehow a "little weaker" -- enough, that is, to make French troops safe for "two or three months" -- He's already telegraphing the trajectory of the French led 'peace' force -- they will allow re-armament and Hezbollah will pose a threat again within a short time.

It's clear why the French surrender at the start -- fighting only postpones the inevitable.

Posted by: jsla at September 15, 2006 2:11 AM

"The French will get the message when the the Muslims start bombing their trains and cities.."

No. Why should they - even countries who have been bombed and who have invested less in muslim appeasement haven't got it. They will just go in for more appeasement and allow girls to go to school looking like shrouded corpses.

Posted by: Lili at September 15, 2006 2:24 AM

No, the French will not be drowned underneath the waves of the muslim demographic tsunami. Though in the future, the situation will appear in doubt.

Europe will be drenched in blood, and most of that blood will be the muslims.

Recall the utter degeneracy of Weimar Germany, and yet those same Germans, within a few short years, controlled from Norway to Crete, and had recon units gazing at the many spires of formerly Holy Moscow.

Don't be so quick to write off the Europeans, though it sure is easy, in fact, it's difficult NOT to write them off. The Europeans we are viewing today, will be quite different a decade hence.

History gathers pace. Europe will not go down, though in a dire moment she will fall on her knees to beg the help of the God she mocked for centuries.

Islam will be crushed. I see that islam will be on the verge of a civilizational victory in Europe, and will be on the cusp of a victory celebration that muslims have been waiting 1,300 plus years to hold. And at the very moment of apparent victory, Europe will rise, almost from the grave, and that rising, that refusal to accept defeat, will produce a vast psychic shock throughout the hosts of islam.

Islam is like every other false creed that battled for dominance in Europe. And islam will be defeated. Though the cost shall be horrific. But when has it ever been less, when has Europe ever been spared the bloodshed?

Posted by: Dan at September 15, 2006 3:13 AM

And these things, we may, we very well may live to see, in our old age. Another 25 years, barely the blink of the historical eye, and we will see horrors probably in Europe. But if not then, surely by then the eye will be able to make out the future, will be able to properly read the lay of the political landscape.

Many compare our times to the thirties. Remember then that the people then were torn, divided, but ultimately, after much grief, the people saw the threat of Germany clear. So it will be with Europeans today, towards islam. Already polls indicate a vast and deep SUSPICION towards their muslim neighbors, towards islam itself. Their media does its best to quell rumours of such unrest, but it's there, and it's growing, irresistably, inexorably.

The muslims can do NOTHING to stop the growth of that unease. For by the edicts of islam, and by their shariaa, they can't help be, what they are. Thus the horrid speeches, the thefts, the intimidations, the rapes, the gang rapes, they will swell in number. And by anecdotes shared, person to person, horror stories that shall make the rounds, DESPITE the censorship of the media, Europeans will glean the truth, but fitfully, but they shall slowly, slowly perceive the truth. And then that truth shall lead towards action.

Other than our war effort being successful, or an intervention by the Almighty, I see nothing stopping the irresistible flow of events in Europe.

BUT ISLAM will NOT prevail.

I think we will see things happen in Europe that will make Beslan look like nothing, we will see horrors on our televisions.

Posted by: Dan at September 15, 2006 3:25 AM

How nice to hear the voice of American ignorance and vanity, cracking idiot jokes at the expense of a nation that was through most of its 800-year history the terror of Europe, and from which English got every single word to do with armies and war - soldier, army, general, colonel, captain, corporal, lieutenant, ensign, (field)marshal, sergeant, echelon, patrol, banner, bayonet, marine, navy, recon(noitre), combat, battle, defeat, victory, battalion, regiment, division, corps (d'armee), cavalry, trench, bulwark, chevaux-de-frise, cannon, artillery, lance, missile, bullet - and without whose army and navy the United States would never have got out from under British rule. (Yorktown would not have happened at all except for the French fleet blockading the garrison.) But none of you ever learned any history at school; all you know are cretinous Jay Leno jokes about French surrender. I don't even like France that much, but one does not have to like a country to know when brute and vainglorious nonsense is being spoken. If you want to know what is giving the American right a bad image around the world, don't bother blaming the media and such: go home and look in the mirror.

French policy with respect to Islam has always been double-sided. At home, it has a massive security apparatus, much more clued up than the British or Americans about the potential of Muslim extremism, and quite ruthless about expelling any mullah or sheikh who looks like being a problem. Some of you may have heard about the great banlieue revolt of last year; the interesting thing about it is that it had no ideological leaders, mullahs or sheikhs - it was an amorphous eruption of illiterate Muslim youth, many of whom knew as little Islam as they knew anything else. And that is because French policy has been, for years, to get rid of any potential leader (compare and contrast Britain and the US, who allowed the Abu Hamzas to flourish at home). If any imam from any mosque had tried to seize control of the movement, he would have found himself on a plane out of France faster than he could say "jihad"; and they knew it. So, at a time when France was in real danger, the possible armies of Islam, leaderless and stupid, wasted their time in thuggery and were eventually brought under control. And the French police can be very heavy-handed - ask any demonstrator who found himself in the path of a French police charge.

It also was France who leaned on the Algerian army to crush the local Islamists, leading to civil war, and France which, in the face of every bleeding-heart in Europe, kept supporting the Algerian Army till the various incarnations of the Islamist enemy - first FIS, then GIA, then GSPC - have all been squeezed out of the country. And France keeps control of almost every Francophone country in Africa through a group of dictators kept in power by the Foreign Legion, which is used abundantly and ruthlessly to squash any local movement that might be detrimental to French interests. French foreign policy in these areas is ruthless and callous to a level that would make most neocons faint.

When they play up the Arab card, it is always in regions where they do not claim major interests (they once had a claim on Lebanon, but that fell apart by itself without their being able to do much about it). But anyone and anything that becomes a danger to French national interests will find that they suddenly are facing an enemy hard and cynical enough to make them squeal, like the Abu Ghraib prisoners handed over from American to Iraqi control, "please bring the Americans back!"

Posted by: Paolo at September 15, 2006 3:43 AM

Hate to say this but the French deserve everything they get - they have been gutless wonders for ever.

Hope you guys enjoy this little piece of humour. Wish I had written it:

"France has neither winter, nor summer, nor morals. Apart from these drawbacks it is a fine country. France has usually
been governed by prostitutes."
--Mark Twain

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"I would rather have a German division in front of me than a French one behind me."
--General George S. Patton

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"Going to war without France is like going deer hunting without your accordion."
--Norman Schwartzkopf

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"We can stand here like the French, or we can do something about it."
--Marge Simpson

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"As far as I'm concerned, war always means failure."
--Jacques Chirac, President of France

"As far as France is concerned, you're right."
--Rush Limbaugh

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"The only time France wants us to go to war is when the German Army is sitting in Paris sipping coffee."
--Regis Philbin

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"You know, the French remind me a little bit of an aging actress of the 1940's who was still trying to dine out on her looks but doesn't have the face for it."
-- John McCain , U.S. Senator from Arizona

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"The last time the French asked for 'more proof' it came marching into Paris under a German flag."
--David Letterman

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"Only thing worse than a Frenchman is a Frenchman who lives in Canada."
--Ted Nugent
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"War without France would be like...like, World War II."
--Jay Leno

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"The favorite bumper sticker in Washington D.C. right now is one that says 'First Iraq, then France.'"
--Tom Brokaw

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"What do you expect from a culture and a nation that exerted more of its national will fighting against Disney World and Big Macs than the Nazis?"
--Dennis Miller

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"It is important to remember that the French have always been there when they needed us."
--Jon Stewart

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"They've taken their own precautions against al-Qaida. To prepare for an attack, each Frenchman is urged to keep duct tape, a white flag, and a three-day supply of mistresses in the house."
--Argus Hamilton

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"Somebody was telling me about the French Army rifle that was being advertised on eBay the other day...the description was, 'Never shot...only dropped once.'"
--Rep. Roy Blunt, Missouri

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"The French will only agree to go to war when we've proven we've found truffles in Iraq."
--Dennis Miller

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"Do you know how many Frenchmen it takes to defend Paris ? It's not known...it's never been tried!"
--Robin Williams

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"Do you know it only took Germany three days to conquer France in WWII? And that's because it was raining."
--Jerry Seinfeld

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The AP and UPI reported that the French Government announced after the London bombings that it has raised its terror alert level from "Run" to "Hide."

The only two higher threat levels in France are "Surrender" and "Collaborate."

The rise in the last week's alert level was precipitated by a recent fire which destroyed France's white flag factory, effectively disabling their entire military.
-- Jay Leno

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French Ban Fireworks at Euro Disney
(AP), Paris, March 5, 2006

"The French Government announced today that it is imposing a ban on the use of fireworks at Euro Disney. The decision comes the day after nightly fireworks display at the park, located just 30 miles outside of Paris, caused the soldiers at a nearby French Army garrison to surrender to a group of Czech tourists."

Posted by: Gramfan at September 15, 2006 3:44 AM

europe and the west will have to face the violent jihad that has been inflicted on the hindus for centuries. at least now come to terms with what hindus have been saying all along, that terror has nothing to do with economic, social condition of the terrorists. terror tactics is at the heart of islam. people attempting to draw a line between islam/islamism/jihad are just pulling wool over your eyes.
400000 kashmiri hindus are victims of this jihad. and so are the countless hindus killed by the mughals and other muslim rulers. the onl way to tackle this is to bomb them mofas' to kingdom come, mecca, madina and all. sadly we just dont have the leaders who will do it.

Posted by: bulletkrishna at September 15, 2006 4:16 AM

Good post Paolo

The French deserve far more credit than they are given.

Posted by: g hadi hater at September 15, 2006 4:34 AM

The sooner Europe explodes the better,just get the fight over with because there is no way to avoid it happening once the muzzies get there numbers up they will attempt tp push islam more and more into western society and when we resist them and say no they will start all there usual crap about it being an attack on islam and we don,t respect them then they will start killing people.

I was on the net and read a comment by a muslim Islam doesn,t allow it,s self to be dominated,islam dominates.

And there it is but try telling that to a Left wing Liberal moron.

Posted by: stevenz at September 15, 2006 4:50 AM

Salafism is a cult, pure and simple. It prescribes secrecy and minimal contact with the outside world - even other Muslims - and imprisons women, physically and psychologically. Yet in the West Salafi mosques and schools are seemingly allowed to operate with only minimal scrutiny. In England, the Small Heath area of Birmingham is the de facto centre of Salafism. In the US, it has a particularly strong foothold in Philadelphia.

It may be true that some Salafis disavow jihadist sentiments, and instead focus on looking, feeling and acting in ways that least resemble those of the 'kuffar' as possible. But many do not.

There is no place in the West for Salafi and Deobandi-run institutions. Those that exist should be closely monitored; ideally they should all be closed down.

Posted by: Effractor at September 15, 2006 5:05 AM

France is ever like the fickle woman who cannot be of a single mind, is troublesome, albeit engaging, and even attractive.

Unfortunately they are also fools who might be going down the sinkhole of history.

The pratlings of those who decry the loss of culture - remember what happened to the wondrous library at Alexandria - and remember that history does not forgive weakness or stupidity.

Posted by: dgene at September 15, 2006 5:29 AM

France algerienne! France algerienne! France algerienne!

Like OSL it's blowback. "Make a deal with the devil and you land in hell." Adolph Hitler

Posted by: David England at September 15, 2006 6:10 AM

>>>>400000 kashmiri hindus are victims of this jihad. and so are the countless hindus killed by the mughals and other muslim rulers. the onl way to tackle this is to bomb them mofas' to kingdom come, mecca, madina and all. sadly we just dont have the leaders who will do it.

Posted by: bulletkrishna

Thanks for reminiding us Bullet.
We often forget there is major muslim terrorism in Asia as well as the West and Israel.And yes,,,sadly we don't have the leaders as yet but I read an interesting take on Bush today.Maybe he is not as dumb as many think??
http://theaustralian.news.com.au/story/0,20867,20407585-25377,00.html

Posted by: Gramfan at September 15, 2006 6:47 AM

How will the french go without all the folloing?from LGF:

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If this doesn’t want to make you fight, nothing will - enjoy the “submission.”
Life under Islamic rule

Let’s begin with 1-10:
No more abortions
No gay marriage; homosexuals put to death
Capital punishment on an epic scale
No women’s rights; women may not go to school or hold a job.
No religious freedoms for Christians, Jews, Hindus, Buddhists, Wiccans or others. Eventually, all will be forced to convert (revert) to Islam or be killed.
The elimination of science & scientific inquiry, to be replaced by strict Koranic study.
Absolute centralization of authority in the hands of mullahs, imams & religious scholars.
No separation of mosque & state. They are one & the same.
The elimination of trial by jury.
The elimination of the right to vote, as democracy is an affront to Muslims.

Continuing with 11-20:
No music - no iPods, instruments, bands, CDs
No dancing - hard to dance w/o music anyhow
No alcohol - Sayonara bars, pubs, discos, etc.
No gambling - No lotteries, casinos, poker games, etc.
No sports (deemed un-Islamic) as soccer - stadiums for executions
No art depicting humans or animals - Goodbye Mt. Rushmore
No Playboy, Penthouse, or other adult entertainment mags
No X-rated films or adult movies
No back pain - forced to pray 5 times a day
No sleeping in - rise and shine, morning prayers

Moving along with 21-30:
No women’s fashion - don’t worry, only seen by one man entire life
No “I love my man” - “We four wives love our husband”
No messy divorces - man says 3 times “I divorce you” and it’s final
No pre-marital sex - Hymen restoration/replacement biz booms
No need for daughters/sisters to find men - can be given away
No court delays - just “honor kill” wives, kids, mothers, sisters in case of rape
No legal confusion - 1 man=2 women or 1 woman=1/2 a man
No damn women drivers - oops, sorry if that was insensitive
No more Domestic Violence - can legally beat wife/wives
Reduced skin cancer - women forbidden from sunbathing

Warming up with 31-40:
No more toilet paper - environmentally friendly advantage
No left-handers - left hand is dirty and used for above
No more bacon, ham, sausage, pork chops, BLTs, etc.
No animal rights - sorry PETA
No vegetarians - Vegans learn to “kill and grill” - ask Ted Nugent
No need for progress - Great Leap Backwards to 7th Century
No need for English - must learn Arabic to read Koran
Free Copies of best selling book by Adolph Hitler - Mein Kampf, now Jihadi
No need for critical thinking - cradle to grave taught how to act and think
No Winnie the Pooh - Piglet is deemed offensive

Cruising with 41 onwards:
No Christmas, Easter, Halloween, Thanksgiving, Hannukkah
No more ADD, memories are awesome - forced to MEMORIZE entire Koran
No more minorities as slaves - entire population of women instead
No more Amnesty Intl., United Nations, Human Rights Watch etc.
etc.
etc.

Posted by: Gramfan at September 15, 2006 6:55 AM

Despite all the stories about France not helping, there is proof that it may not be true. France, without a doubt is in trouble as it has allowed too many Muslims into its country, and an internal fight may ensue. But there is hope.:

Help From France Key In Covert Operations
Paris's 'Alliance Base' Targets Terrorists

By Dana Priest
Washington Post Staff Writer
Sunday, July 3, 2005; Page A01

PARIS -- When Christian Ganczarski, a German convert to Islam, boarded an Air France flight from Riyadh on June 3, 2003, he knew only that the Saudi government had put him under house arrest for an expired pilgrim visa and had given his family one-way tickets back to Germany, with a change of planes in Paris.

He had no idea that he was being secretly escorted by an undercover officer sitting behind him, or that a senior CIA officer was waiting at the end of the jetway as French authorities gently separated him from his family and swept Ganczarski into French custody, where he remains today on suspicion of associating with terrorists.

Ganczarski is among the most important European al Qaeda figures alive, according to U.S. and French law enforcement and intelligence officials. The operation that ensnared him was put together at a top secret center in Paris, code-named Alliance Base, that was set up by the CIA and French intelligence services in 2002, according to U.S. and European intelligence sources. Its existence has not been previously disclosed.

Funded largely by the CIA's Counterterrorist Center, Alliance Base analyzes the transnational movement of terrorist suspects and develops operations to catch or spy on them.

Alliance Base demonstrates how most counterterrorism operations actually take place: through secretive alliances between the CIA and other countries' intelligence services. This is not the work of large army formations, or even small special forces teams, but of handfuls of U.S. intelligence case officers working with handfuls of foreign operatives, often in tentative arrangements.

Such joint intelligence work has been responsible for identifying, tracking and capturing or killing the vast majority of committed jihadists who have been targeted outside Iraq and Afghanistan since the Sept. 11, 2001, attacks, according to terrorism experts.

The CIA declined to comment on Alliance Base, as did a spokesman for the French Embassy in Washington.

Most French officials and other intelligence veterans would talk about the partnership only if their names were withheld because the specifics are classified and the politics are sensitive. John E. McLaughlin, the former acting CIA director who retired recently after a 32-year career, described the relationship between the CIA and its French counterparts as "one of the best in the world. What they are willing to contribute is extraordinarily valuable."

The rarely discussed Langley-Paris connection also belies the public portrayal of acrimony between the two countries that erupted over the invasion of Iraq. Within the Bush administration, the discord was amplified by Defense Secretary Donald H. Rumsfeld, who has claimed the lead role in the administration's "global war on terrorism" and has sought to give the military more of a part in it.

But even as Rumsfeld was criticizing France in early 2003 for not doing its share in fighting terrorism, his U.S. Special Operations Command was finalizing a secret arrangement to put 200 French special forces under U.S. command in Afghanistan. Beginning in July 2003, its commanders have worked side by side there with U.S. commanders and CIA and National Security Agency representatives.

The Ganczarski Operation

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Ganczarski, a metallurgist from the industrial Ruhr district in Germany, had been radicalized by a Saudi cleric touring European mosques in the early 1990s, studied Islam on a religious scholarship in the kingdom, traveled to Afghanistan four times, trained in al Qaeda camps, met Osama bin Laden, and returned to Germany from his last trip nine days before Sept. 11, 2001.

Intelligence officials say he was part of a patient, post-9/11 al Qaeda plan to activate European converts, including failed British "shoe-bomber" Richard Reid. Ganczarski's cell phone was the last number that a suicide bomber who killed 21 people on the island of Djerba called in April 2002. Some of the casualties were French, which gave Bruguiere legal grounds to arrest Ganczarski.

On May 20, 2003, an urgent bit of intelligence was fed into Alliance Base: Ahmed Mehdi, an associate of Ganczarski, had just booked a 14-day vacation to the French island of Reunion in the Indian Ocean.

Mehdi, then a 34-year-old Moroccan who had lived near Ganczarski in Germany, was under surveillance and showing a worrisome interest in remote-control detonators. German authorities, who did not have enough evidence to arrest him or Ganczarski, believed Mehdi was planning an attack on Reunion.

Mid-level case officers working at Alliance Base met to devise a plan: They would entice first Mehdi, then Ganczarski, to France. Bruguiere would lock them up on suspicion of associating with terrorists.

The CIA arranged for an asset to suggest that Mehdi stop in Paris on his way to Reunion to surveil targets. Mehdi, Alliance Base learned from wiretaps, worried that France would not give him a visa, which he needed because he is Moroccan. On cue, the French services arranged for a visa. The Germans monitored calls and contacts there for a change of plans.

On June 1, French authorities apprehended Mehdi at Charles de Gaulle International Airport in Paris. He was sent to Fresnes Prison outside Paris. Two days later, on June 3, 2003, Ganczarski was there, too.

Unbeknownst to the two men, they were held in cells just yards from each other. Authorities used the information gained from one to question the other. Within days, Mehdi told Bruguiere's investigators about the plot, the network and Ganczarski. Investigators now believe that Mehdi has links to al Qaeda's Hamburg cell that plotted the Sept. 11 attacks and that Ganczarski associated directly with Sept. 11 architect Khalid Sheikh Mohammed.

Alliance Base's role in the operation was noted obliquely on June 11, 2003, by Interior Minister Nicholas Sarkozy. Speaking before Parliament, he said, "This arrest took place thanks to the perfect collaboration between the services of the great democracies."

Posted by: exsgtbrown at September 15, 2006 7:10 AM

Jean-Marie will be serving heaps of crow. As he warned, France is ruined.

Posted by: Alarmed Pig Farmer at September 15, 2006 7:11 AM

exsgtbrown:

That is one person only.Better than nothing I guess.
I think the best asset here is Interpol.

However Jacques Chirac does not inspire.
His comments in public give him away.

I think France will be one of the first to fall.
Their citizens are concerned, but the government are not, it seems. Maybe there will be a French Revolution part deux? Have they got what it takes, I wonder?

Posted by: Gramfan at September 15, 2006 7:21 AM

There is no country in europe that has done more for islam to spread than france. The euro-arab relationship started BECAUSE france wanted them.

Jews are murdered in france by the usual peaceful muslims within france's indifference.

Whoever thinks they are "smart" in dealing with their algerian problem is plain stupid.

For the sake of being anti-american they would sell their asses to the devil (as they already did)

Posted by: FedUp at September 15, 2006 7:29 AM

To the people and leaders of France:

It is still not too late to recall the memory of Charles Martel!

Posted by: ZionistYoungster at September 15, 2006 9:20 AM

Ah, so France wasn't a target before the tape came out. That's comforting news.

Posted by: Bohemond_1069 at September 15, 2006 9:23 AM

Thanks Paolo, for exhibiting the same kind of boorish behavior that you accuse of the US citizenry: sweeping generalizations based upon vanity and ignorance.

However, there are few nations as, well, nationalistic as the French. Some may characterize it as cultural arrogance, but whatever the name, I'm confident we'll be pleasantly surprised by France's actions when their country and their culture is pushed against the proverbial wall. (After all, France believes they invented "culture.")

And, while France may be mocked by the western world at large for their baffling appeasement of the muslim horde, in fact France has one of the more aggressive and successful anti-islamic-terror programs--one that is not as PC-marginalized as that of the US or Britain.

So, there is hope for France, but only when it'll be almost too late.

Posted by: Know Your Enemy at September 15, 2006 9:28 AM

France's counterterrorist laws are pretty tough, but by nature of their having a free society, no amount of alignment with Islamic countries is going to spare them the massive chip on the shoulder the Jihadists have for all things Western. If a religious terrorist group can find some wacko cleric to justify the maiming and killing of noncombatants, like Al Qaeda and the Jewish Kach group has in the past, you better wake up.

I really don't think all of these Islamic groups were ever totally independent of each other, and now they are just linking up to deal with common enemies. Any country that they percieve as standing in the way of their Caliphate, or it's tax paying citizens are fair game for them. For that matter they see stability anywhere as a threat to their end game. Any nation participating in the UNIFIL mission in Lebanon, Afghanistan or Iraq is open game now.

It is going to take the "education by murder" Daniel Pipes has mentioned for a nation to take it all seriously enough. And even then it might take more than one strike to even do that, as we see the complacency in our own country.

This is all not very sophisticated and eloquent, but it is what my mind and instinct are telling me on some level. I just hope the next big strike is responded to with ruthless, no-nonsense action.

Posted by: amana39 at September 15, 2006 10:19 AM

To the French as best I can:

Au Français libre: Le bras vous-même maintenant avant toi ne peut pas amid le déluge.

Posted by: A_Plague_on_Both_Houses at September 15, 2006 10:32 AM

To the French as best I can:

Au Français libre: Le bras vous-même maintenant avant toi ne peut pas amid le déluge.

Posted by: A_Plague_on_Both_Houses at September 15, 2006 10:32 AM

I have a whole bunch of comments to make about all this.

Dan writes: "Recall the utter degeneracy of Weimar Germany, and yet those same Germans, within a few short years, controlled from Norway to Crete, and had recon units gazing at the many spires of formerly Holy Moscow."

Yes, and I also recall that the resurgent Germany that accomplished all this was perhaps the most evil and brutal dictatorship this world has ever known. You are correct, the West will survive and ultimately win. But how much of our freedom will survive intact in the West is the open question. On this issue, the Left is totally blind. They are totally unaware (or refuse to accept) that if terrorists manage to detonate nuclear weapons in one or more Western countries, the resultant state of emergency and vastly upgraded security measures is going to mean a severe diminution of our freedom. If nuclear bombs go off in the United States, there may be no American Civil Liberties Union after that. Period.

So now the "Western analysts" are claiming that this al-Qaeda call for jihad against France is due to Algeria or headscarfs. I'm sick and tired of all the flashpoints in the worldwide Islamic jihad being treated as ten thousand separate coincidences, each caused by its own local grievance as if they have nothing to do with each other: This terrorist bomb was due to "anger" over Palestine. That terrorist attack was due to "anger" over Chechnya. Or Bosnia. Or Kashmir. Or Mohammed cartoons. Or Iraq. Or Afghanistan. Or headscarfs. Funny how these "grievances" keep popping up now at the rate of about one per month, when nobody ever heard of any such things prior to maybe 1965.

The refusal of "Western analysts" to even discuss a linking cause among all these data points--even if they disagree with Jihad Watch as to what the linking cause is--is laughably unscientific. The whole idea in science is to find a few simple universal principles, scientific laws, that explain the results of disparate phenomena. The same law of gravitation that governs an apple falling to the ground here in Earth, governs the behavior of galaxies millions of light years away. They're not individual separate phenomena with localized "root causes."

Posted by: Steven L. at September 15, 2006 10:43 AM

amana39 writes:

"I really don't think all of these Islamic groups were ever totally independent of each other, and now they are just linking up to deal with common enemies. Any country that they percieve as standing in the way of their Caliphate, or it's tax paying citizens are fair game for them. For that matter they see stability anywhere as a threat to their end game. Any nation participating in the UNIFIL mission in Lebanon, Afghanistan or Iraq is open game now."

I agree. On September 10-11, I watched the ABC docudrama, "The Path to 9/11." Among other things, it illustrated a fundamental strategic error the U.S. made prior to 9-11: The U.S. policy till 9-11 (and the European policy even thereafter) was that the most dangerous thing in the Middle East was not the rise of Islamic terrorism but the Israel-Palestine dispute. And so solving that dispute was top priority; it was assumed that solving it would greatly alleviate the threat from Islamic terrorism.

Instead, the reverse has turned out to be true: The rise of al-Qaeda (especially 9-11), the takeover of Palestine by Hamas and the takeover of Lebanon by Hezbollah has nearly wrecked the chance for a peace settlement between Israel and the Palestinians. Traditional diplomacy between states and other legally recognized entities has now been shown to be helpless; transnational non-state actors like Hezbollah and al-Qaeda can damage or wreck those negotiations at any time by sufficiently destabilizing acts of terror.

So it's really turned out to be the reverse: For the diplomats to be able to do their job and reach livable peace treaties, the jihadists have to be defeated first, not ignored. And negotiation with terrorists themselves is impossible.

Posted by: Steven L. at September 15, 2006 10:58 AM

The French don't like to be nagged.
They are not dead, just slumbering in political correctness and tolerance.
When they finally get up and fight, those Muslim provocateurs are going to get them all in the same cheek.
They will not know what happened to them.

Posted by: rocky at September 15, 2006 11:22 AM

Quel horreur!!!!!

Posted by: pythagoras at September 15, 2006 1:24 PM

Hugh / Robert -
What am I missing in this story? Please help this Infidel in Idaho understand why the GSPC and al-Qaeda are waging a Jihad against a 99% Sunni Muslim country?

A little Demographics:
Population - 32,277,942 as of July 2002
99% Arabic Berber and 99% Sunni Muslim
Less that 1% European and ditto Christian & Jewish

In July 2001
2,381,740 Sq Km of land
34% Unemployment
3% Inflation
20 Billion in Exports and
1 Billion in Imports
Top Exports to
Italy 23%, Spain 13%, US 13%, France 11%, Brazil 7%
With almost identical % of imports from these same countries.

SO, why is the GSPC and al-Qaeda are waging a Jihad against their own??? KnightHawk

Posted by: KnightHawk at September 15, 2006 2:11 PM

Hugh might I suggest that you send that piece to La Monde and other French papers.

JSLA, et al..I doubt that you guys watch Arab and Iranian News, though excerpts are available daily on a program called Mosaic (and in English) but you won't find it on cable, only on Satellite TV services..at Link TV

Almost every day I see and hear from one Arab or Iranian News source, Lebanese especially that "Christian" Emile Jamil Lahoud, and that obvious member of Hizballah, the wimpy Foaud Sinoria, as well as many (sadly) Christians that Hizballah is Lebanon and Lahoud said that armed Hizballah is part of the Lebanese Army.

Chirac knows that.. and the whole UN peacekeeping force is a farce. UNIFIL (and that is what it is) has no backbone, no mandate, no will, no ability to monitor or do anything about Hizballah, and besides that the Lebanese Army is Hizballah, the majority of it's soldiers and command are Shi'a and also members of Hizballah.

The U.N. Force is a joke. As regards Israel, I saw this morning on Israeli Broadcasting Authority, a high ranking official say that Israel lost the war, Hizballah got a bloody nose, the Lebanese people took the brunt of the blow, but the Lebanese people are Arabs/Muslim and they don't care about "food, water or health" (so they say, so long as they stand "steadfast" against the enemy) they are proud of their "suffering" and they love and adore their "Martyr's", and the wailing about the "martyr's" is strictly for western consumption.. the muslims actually celebrate those deaths, and do not mourn because mourning is an insult to Allah, for all is the will of Allah, and "allah is the greatest of plotters".

Posted by: Nariz at September 15, 2006 2:21 PM

You do not fight terrorists by giving into terrorists.

You fight terrorists by not giving into them.

Iraq is meaningless.

We do have to give France credit on the parts where they have done what the terrorists do not want... such as with the headscarves. Though, they do this because of their Communist, leftist sympathies... which ran deep even while their poor East European brother's nations were being fed apon by the Soviet wolf.

France has hell to pay. France has tried to make a deal with the Devil and discovered it has lost her soul in the doings.

Here is what these things say, when you say, "Terrorists, I will do what you want"... you send to the world's potential and current terrorists the message, "Terrorism works for us."

This encourages everyone willing to do violence who has something they want... to use that violence to get what they want.

Schoolyard Bully:

If it was known that you would give up your money without a fight... you will be targetted every single day for that money.

Why not? There is nothing for them to lose.

It is true, if you fight back, maybe you will get beat up. But, you have resisted. You have stood against their evil.

If France does what terrorists say, France is ruled by terrorists.

If America does what terrorists say, America is ruled by terrorists.

Whoever does what terrorists say, they are ruled by terrorists.

If you want terrorists as your king, save yourself and your lineage time -- move to Arabia.

Posted by: NovaRocket at September 15, 2006 2:42 PM

Truly inspiring to watch the ever courageous French once again doing battle for their beloved nation. It took what, a week or so for this proud and mighty people to surrender to Germany? I look for them to do a much better job against the Islamofascists. Ten, fifteen days maybe. Unless of course someone of any repute winds up being beheaded. Chirac would then suddenly be involved in light-speed implementation of sharia law. Now here's an interesting bit of irony. When forced to vacate their home nations, many thugs have chosen France. The Ayatollah Khomeini-Jimmy Carters hero-spent years their. But where do the French go? Where will Chirac and his band of thieving limp-wrists run for their lives (after paying a suitable ransom for the privelege of course). Certainly they wouldn't settle for the wilds of the uncouth, uncivilized US. It'll be fun to watch.

Posted by: OLDPUPPYMAX at September 15, 2006 3:39 PM

Today those nations, some of whom we liberated from the other, are now threatened by the same enemy they refuse to help us fight. Should we therefore be minded to help them a third time?

Posted by: IceDragon at September 15, 2006 4:08 PM

I'm sure Chirac will find a warm welcome in Kweebeck.

Posted by: Eisenhund at September 15, 2006 4:24 PM

I do wonder about the French sometimes, as i do about the British, and the Italians (especially on this sad day), and don't even get me started on the Spanish, BUT while raging against our fellow infidels i think that we should try to recall the words of Benjamin Franklin:
“We must all hang together, or most assuredly we will all hang separately."

Posted by: M Al-Content at September 15, 2006 5:44 PM

Dan wrote: "Don't be so quick to write off the Europeans, though it sure is easy, in fact, it's difficult NOT to write them off. The Europeans we are viewing today, will be quite different a decade hence."

I pray you're correct. And I do believe outrageous acts by the 'slammis will eventually lead to unmitigatable rage in native Euros. But three generations wherein they did virtually nothing to combat or forestall the threat of the Soviet juggernaut, leaving deterrence to the contemptable U.S., has not done much to inspire confidence that they will have the wherewithal to fight cohesively and effectively.

If the U.S. had not projected force and the threat of force throughout the Cold War, how many of the readers here believe that Europe would have risen up to throw off the Soviet yoke?

Cruel, stupid, unproductive socialism is deep in the bones of the men and women of Europe. Wars are not won with national hubris (Greek word, but oh, so French), but with soldiers that value the real spirit of the nation for which they fight and sacrifice.

How much of 'Old Europe' inspires its young men to commit themselves to even contemplate the thought of making the ultimate sacrifice for their brothers and sisters?--This, I believe, is the question that must be answered in order to determine if Europe can contribute to saving itself.

Posted by: turn at September 15, 2006 6:20 PM