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Look at that sign. "Mr. Pope be with in your limits." What limits? Classic Islamic law stipulates that Christians may live in peace in Islamic societies as long as they accept second-class status as dhimmis, which involves living within certain limits: not holding authority over Muslims, paying the jizya tax, not building new churches or repairing old ones, and...not insulting Allah or Muhammad. If they believe that a Christian has insulted them in some way, even inadvertently, his contract of protection -- dhimma -- is voided.
So are these protestors warning the Pope to behave like a dhimmi, or else? I expect so. After all, so many Christians and post-Christians in the West in recent years have been willing, even eager, to accept such limits -- witness the chastened reaction to the Cartoon Rage riots, in which Church officials, government leaders, and others solemnly pontificated against "insults to religious figures." But it wasn't really a question of blasphemy then, and it isn't a question of insult now. It is a question of whether non-Muslims will submit to Muslim standards and restrictions on their speech, thought, and behavior.
And I hope that the Pope, for one, is not willing to do so.
Posted by Robert at September 15, 2006 7:52 PM
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Jihad is Hump of Islam?
Jihad is mandatory? What are these signs saying?
The Pope has said nothing out of line with Christian doctrine.
Everyday, all around the world, the Muslims are screaming about how they want to kill Christians, Jews, and everybody else.
So, they have been called what they are by a Christian leader.
It is about time.
Posted by: NovaRocket
at September 15, 2006 8:09 PM
After the Danish cartoons earlier this year, it's now Pope-bashing season in the ummah. Catholics of the world, if you choose to unite in a new crusade against the Saracens of today, you have my support, even though I'm not a Christian.
Posted by: Infidel Pride
at September 15, 2006 8:10 PM
Repeat after me:
http://michellemalkin.com/archives/005918.htm
Posted by: Isabellathecrusader
at September 15, 2006 8:11 PM
Nice to know these folks can get riled when something bothers them..
Like when their religion is hijacked and used for evil purpose.
at September 15, 2006 8:11 PM
My response to this picture above :
God Bless his holiness, Pope Benedict the XVI.
And,
Allowing to do some word editing, speaking from a famous movie,
"Frankly my dear, I don't give a darn".
Posted by: bigcatgirl13106
at September 15, 2006 8:12 PM
I'm surprised they just didn't have a sign that said: "Remember your dhimmi status!"
Or maybe: "Accept islamic law or have your head cut off!"
Or then again: "Remember Nick Berg, remember Daniel Pearl, and know that you are next!"
They're supremacists, just like the Japanese and the German, and we're going to have to deliver the very same tutorial our illustrious forefathers delivered to those former powers.
It's real simple, and all of this ranting and raging, this morbid attempt at intimidation, is only leading Americans to that sad, solemn and sobering conclusion.
Posted by: Dan
at September 15, 2006 8:14 PM
The Pope has made me very happy....Islam is being brought into the cold light of day...Wake up West look at Islam...It was not Hijacked or Perverted....It is not Noble ..It is not Peace...It is Rage...it is Hate...It is War...It is Slavery....Look at pure Islam.
Posted by: storagemanager
at September 15, 2006 8:14 PM
Who treats beliefs as facts? Islam is starting to look like a collective mental illness. The basis of this attitude of supremacy is the premise that that Islamic belief is a fact that folks just have to accept. They are colliding with reality. People do not have to accept their beliefs as fact. It's bizarre.
Posted by: Frank
at September 15, 2006 8:17 PM
How come they seem to be cheering? If you didn't know better, you'd think Pakistan just scored a goal againt India in cricket.
Posted by: August22
at September 15, 2006 8:25 PM
I would hate for muslims to think it was just the Pope, so for muslims everywhere "Ah dena mukk"
And I mean that from the bottom for my heart.
Can I get my own riot now?
Posted by: Ronin
at September 15, 2006 8:29 PM
This will be bigger and better than the Danish cartoons.
Anyone for some popcorn?
Posted by: Voltaire
at September 15, 2006 8:33 PM
I do think the title of "Mr Pope" was a little over the top but we all know Arabic doesn't translate well. They meant to say "we want to convert, we are tired of being violent nutjobs and the in breading made my brothers look funny"
Posted by: Ronin
at September 15, 2006 8:34 PM
I sent the following message to "Arab News" today in response to an article of theirs complaining about Pope Benedict's remarks. I would encourage others to write similar notes to Islamic media outlets that criticize the Pope. I also emailed a copy to the Pope thanking him and encouraging him not to waiver. I am considering joining one of these "dialogue groups" of Christians, Jews and Muslims (or at least hanging around for awhile) to "test the waters" and see whether the Muslims in these groups actually show any signs of being willing to "build good relations" with other religions. All of us in this form are preaching to the choir. We need to start making our views known to our Muslim friends.
"What will provoke hatred between Christians and Muslims is not the Pope's words, as Mr. Al-Homaidi suggests, but the hysterical reaction coming out Mr. Al-Homaidi himself, as well as Mr. Al-Lowahiq, Mr. Al-Johani and others. Instead of this seething indignation, the Islamic world should begin to shake off its unjustified victim mentality and stop hiding behind its huge psychological walls of denial in order to look at its own history and to face honestly and forthrightly the troublesome issues of the roots of violence in the sources of its faith and culture. The Koran imposes on Muslims the duty to engage in Jihad until the entire world is subjugated to it and, in practical terms, this has meant not the interiorized struggle of the spirit in pursuit of virtue, as Moslem apologists often try to maintain, but the spread of Islam by force of arms on three continents (Europe included) and the cruel harassment and oppression of non-Muslims on a vast scale that continues to gather steam today.
"In Saudi Arabia and Afghanistan Christianity is illegal (Abdul Rahman had to flee for his life from Afghanistan after he committed the monumental "crime" of "apostasy"); in Pakistan Christians are under constant harassment and threat of violence, in Turkey priests are murdered, and to get the permission of the authorities to build a Church or even to repair or renovate an existing one can take years if it ever happens at all. No such restrictions exist against Muslims in the West.
"Pope Benedict could have chosen any number of other writers to quote from to make his point about the relationship between faith and reason in Christian theology, including numerous Church fathers going back at least as far as the 2nd century or even St. Paul's letter to the Romans. That he chose this particular one is perfectly appropriate because the Islamic world is in dire need of honest self-examination. I readily agree that much of what happened in the crusades was unfortunate, but it is no more so than the kind of brutality and fearsome cruelty that Islam has imposed through violent Jihad wars and its mistreatment of the "dhimmi" communities and other non-Moslems in Islamic lands for fourteen hundred years. Yes, there were episodes of tolerance at times in the Umma; today there is great tolerance of Islam, and of all other faiths, in what used to be "Christendom" (my use of parentheses emphasized that the old paradigm has long since disappeard - the secular West of today, including Israel, are NOT "crusader" states, as so many Moslems like to pretend, so get with the 21st century and leave the 7th behind already), but none of this is reciprocated by the Islamic world. It is 1400 years of this Islamic violence, and the conditions that it created in the Middle East in particular, that lie behind the West's current involvement in the Middle East, including many of the mistakes, imbalances and injustices of its current policies there. One who is under constant unprovoked attack has every right to defend oneself, and this sometimes means taking the fight to the enemy's "territory" and neutralizing it there. What bothers the Umma so much about all this is not such relatively minor inconveniences as the displacement of a population, something frequently done by Islamic rulers in the history of the Middle East (as tragic as the Palestinian plight is), but the fact that a civilization that, being non-Moslem, it therefore has the gall to think of as innately inferior to itself, won this historic struggle and gained the upper hand against Islamist expansion, at least for the last 300 years or so.
"But speaking of the Crusaders: yes, crimes were committed against Moslems by some of these men, and this is unfortunate. Some of these men, were they alive today would be hung by their own governments for their actions and rightly so. Many crimes have also been committed against western peoples by Moslems, and this did NOT begin with September 11, 2001. The raids, occupations and lootings of European cities in the 8th and 9th centuries, the conquest of Spain in 742 AD and the ongoing attempts by the Turks to conquer Europe in the 16th and 17th centuries expose the claims of the Umma's peaceful and benign intent as the pack of lies that they are.
"This is one Christian who will no longer apologize for the Crusades. The time has come for the Islamic world to begin apologizing for the many crimes it has committed throughout its history. If Islamic spokesmen are sincere in their claims about wanting to promote peace and understanding among the world's religions they ought to begin by prompting their governments to immediately end the restrictions, humiliations and violence directed against Christians, Jews, Bahai's, and others in the Middle East and elsewhere in the name of Islam and begin leading large scale protests and meaningfully painful sanctions against the ignorant fanatics in the West's Islamic communities who plot the destruction of airliners, buildings, busses and subways and plan the deaths of massive numbers of innocent and defenceless civilians. I see none of this happening at present. The West has done enough penance for its crimes. Benedict and others have every right to point out this sad reality and to call the Umma to repentance.
"We in the West have taken action to remedy the injustices we committed against the Islamic world as much as we can (perhaps if attitudes changed on the part of Moslems in the Middle East it would be easier to remedy the Palistinian problem and other thorny knots that have been more difficult) and we've apologized loud and clear (much more than we needed to frankly). Now its your turn to do the same by apologizing to us and implementing meaningful change".
Perhaps we need to organize demonstrations of our own.
Templar (aka "Jacques_de_Molay" and "Patriarchmichaelcerularius")
Posted by: templar
at September 15, 2006 8:38 PM
Before 9-11,I didn't know what a "jihad" was.Now that I know;All I can say is.....jeeezzzz,what a bunch of morons.
Posted by: chrisinsouthc
at September 15, 2006 8:39 PM
His Pope Benedict quote describes Islam perfectly. I was taken aback at how wise it is.
"Show me just what Mohammed brought that was new, and there you will find things only evil and inhuman"
at September 15, 2006 8:39 PM
and by the way,whats with the nightgowns?
Posted by: chrisinsouthc
at September 15, 2006 8:41 PM
What in the world does screaming, yelling and making icky faces have to do with peace?
The Pope can't back down because if he does he will be lying, which is against the tenets of our faith. He also knows he will be demoralising us if he doesn't stand firm. It is his time in history to stand up for what we believe in. Pray for him, that he may withstand the onslaught that is coming at him. And pray that our friends, family members and neighbors will see this for what it is.
"Stand fast, and be not held again under the yoke of bondage." Gal.5:1
Posted by: Isabellathecrusader
at September 15, 2006 8:41 PM
"All of us in this form ..."
In case anyone is wondering, that should have read "forum".
Posted by: templar
at September 15, 2006 8:43 PM
lokks like they need a lesson in civility....send in the b-52's.
Posted by: chrisinsouthc
at September 15, 2006 8:44 PM
Templar,
That was a great letter and I agree with you 100%. But you'd better sleep with your sword, sharpened, next to you tonight.
Posted by: Isabellathecrusader
at September 15, 2006 8:44 PM
Just posted:
Six Nations Under US-Canada Investigation For Human Smuggling & Terrorist Links
Canadian Aboriginal group "Six Nations", illegally occupying a housing development in Ontario since February, at one point ambushing a US Border Patrol vehicle & beating the US BP officers, are being investigated for ties to international terrorism, including to Al Qaeda.
http://thecanadiansentinel.blogspot.com/2006/09/six-nations-under-us-canada.html
That's right... America is very interested in Six Nations for what it believes are its ties to international terrorism, including Al Qaeda.
There's also more to the situation in Caledonia than meets the eye.
Caledonia is near the border... not far from Buffalo, NY.
Not available via the MSM.
Posted by: Canadian Sentinel
at September 15, 2006 8:48 PM
Is it just me or are the signs in English for our benefit? For people that supposedly hate us so much they sure use a lot of our stuff.
Posted by: Isabellathecrusader
at September 15, 2006 8:52 PM
until i came to this site,i was not as informed on the enemy of our nation and our way of life....thanks to all that post here,i'm trying to direct everyone i can to this site...
Posted by: chrisinsouthc
at September 15, 2006 9:03 PM
the argument they are making is mohomed is a muslim leader therefore we are not to criticize him if so expect death. Well they are now insulting a christian leader, so I say what comes around goes around.
Posted by: pissedoffcanadian
at September 15, 2006 9:04 PM
Slightly OT,
Robert wrote:
"It is a question of whether non-Muslims will submit to Muslim standards and restrictions on their speech, thought, and behavior."
It's worse than most think.
Our military personnel at Guantanamo Bay are still, as I understand from a recent Fox News report, submitting to Muslim standards and restrictions which prohibit menstruating women, unbelievers, and the impure from handling a Qur'an.
Of course, this nonsense is only in effect, I believe, at Guantanamo Bay and only pertains to the detainee's Qur'ans. Such prohibitions do not apply to handling the base library's copy of the Qur'an
How righteous the detainees must feel in the knowledge that they've kept, from their side of the bars, the infidels within limits.
And how stupid they must think the Americans are.
P.S. Any bets on how many of those charming fellows in the photo have actually read, for themselves, the Pope's statement?
Lay the odds.
Posted by: PRCS
at September 15, 2006 9:12 PM
PRCS if I win your bet how do I collect?
at September 15, 2006 9:20 PM
OT but worth it to watch UBL get spanked by Hillery. This might really drive the mujahid over the edge, lol.
http://www.michaelhodges.com/missing.html
Posted by: Ronin
at September 15, 2006 9:47 PM
payingattention,
If you 'win', I'll send an email to your congressman/woman and both of your senators, for you, asking them to find out why that ridiculous Qur'an policy is in effect at Gitmo.
But, do tell, which side of the bet are you taking?
Posted by: PRCS
at September 15, 2006 9:51 PM
hopefully the Pope was prepared for the predictable response that he was bound to receive from Muslims before he made his comments.
And Whatever council that he may have sought before making his much needed comments was well thought out before, so that the vatican would be prepared to deal with them.
As with the Mohammed cartoons, no doubt clerics will whip their flocks into frenzies all over the Islamic world over the next week, and yes people will be killed during their unbridled rage.
Any provocation for violence is pretty much the norm in Islam.
Usama bin Laden understood that very well. That is why he worked hard to draw the non-muslim world into a war with Islam because he knew that if he could drive the umma into the state of dar-al-harb he would then be able to promote the jihadist teachings of the quran and the hadiths.
Posted by: Mackie
at September 15, 2006 10:00 PM
If they try and injure the Pope can he still order a new Crusade? Would anyone do it?
Posted by: Ronin
at September 15, 2006 10:03 PM
"Any bets on how many of those charming fellows in the photo have actually read, for themselves, the Pope's statement?"
For anyone interested, the Popes comments are available in the English section of www.vatican.va in the papal archives. Go into "Benedict XVI", then click on speeches and you'll be able to find it in there.
at September 15, 2006 10:08 PM
"...the Islamic world should begin to...look at its own history and to face honestly and forthrightly the troublesome issues of the roots of violence in the sources of its faith and culture." - templar
Quite optimistic, but judging by the look of the crowd in the picture, it does not appear that honest dialogue about jihad is an option. If the Muslim world was truly interested in having the discussion about human violence, which is what the Pope is advocating, one would think that "moderate" Muslims would be speaking out in support of such a discourse. But no, all we hear is the true voice of ignorant Islam trashing the Pope for merely mentioning the 14th century words of Emperor Manuel Paleologos II. Of course, why would any Muslim want to question anything about his belief system, since he is taught not to do so?
"O ye who believe! Ask not questions about things which if made plain to you, may cause you trouble. Some people before you did ask such questions, and on that account lost their faith." (Surah 5:101-102).
The goal of Muslims and the purpose of Jihad is to subjugate the world to Islam, either moderately or violently by using the historically successful, systematic approach of proselytizing, agitating for favorable treatment in foreign societies, persecuting and terrorizing the non-Muslim population, implementing Muslim law (Sharia), and finally, conquering lands for Allah. There is no room here for talk or moderation, and the only way to prevent the inevitable spread of this cancer and preserve the individual freedom and liberty we value so dearly, is to keep Islam out of the Western world. This lesson was learned many years ago, but seems to have been forgotten, or is not being taken seriously by very many Westerners, today. The Pope may just as well had said he was going to claim the Middle East for the Church. The reaction from the Muslim world would have been the same.
"Show me just what Mohammad brought that was new, and there you will find things only evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached." - Byzantine Christian Emperor Manuel Paleologos II
Posted by: Kreuzueber Halbmond
at September 15, 2006 10:09 PM
Catholics of the world, if you choose to unite in a new crusade against the Saracens of today, you have my support, even though I'm not a Christian.
Posted by: Infidel Pride at September 15, 2006 08:10 PM
Me too! it is quite clear, which side is that of education, liberty, progress and development; which illitracy, darkness, stagnation, terror and bloodthirsty barbarism. The umma, no matter which country it festers in, will do whateve it can, to destroy anything un-islamic. Needless to add, I am not a Christian myself.
Posted by: Alert
at September 15, 2006 10:16 PM
I'm not a Catholic but I have many friends who are, and I rarely agree with the pope but this time, is an exception. The Pope and the Roman Catholic church has my full support on this issue.
Posted by: abad
at September 15, 2006 10:55 PM
Limits? LIMITS? Forgive me, my friends, for a short moment of Christian outrage and anger.
How dare they, just HOW DARE THEY, seek to lecture and hector the Roman Catholic, Apostolic, Church. How dare they, just HOW DARE THEY, presume to try to teach that Apostolic Church, or indeed any Apostolic Church (including mine), how to behave when their behaviour is so consistently violent, so consistently anti-thetical to the Word of God, so consistently a complete denial of humanity and its associated rights, so completely a denial of democracy, of free secularism, of Jewishness, of Shintoism, of Taoism, of Hinduism, of animism in all its forms, of Buhddism in all its varieties that for any civilised, thinking person such criticism would cause instant gagging and choking if they tried to utter it.
Remember just this if you remember nothing else - we Christians have, even if we find it difficult to obey, at least we have, the Fifth Commandment. The so-called religion of islam, the so-called religion of peace, has nothing similar - even remotely so. For it, and all the believers in it, the value of any human life is a strictly relativistic concept. We Christians may fail to live up to our ideals and our New Testament but at least we have such ideals; at least we have such a fulfilling Testament; at least we have a sense of the sanctity of human life; at least we have a morality which you can argue with, not a shifting morass of amateur and relativistic value fields which we are permitted to adjust depending on what next we desire to gratify ourselves with.
Is there, and I ask this in all seriousness, is there a single society or belief system or a single group of non-moslem people anywhere on this planet that this disgusting apology for a religion has not yet offended? If there is then I cannot find it. Everywhere that these devil-worshipping barbarians go, yes, everywhere, all they cause is trouble and strife, all they yield is ignorance, suffering and despair, all they grow is division, poverty and inequality, all they result in is stifling conformity and economic impoverishment. Not one single, I repeat, not one single barbarian islamic country could balance its books without the jizya that the civilised Western nations are paying it.
We train their Doctors, their nurses, their engineers and their technicians. We train their psychiatrists (and God knows, they need them), their dentists, their architects and their plumbers. We train their industrialists and their entrepreneurs, their bankers and their administrators. But, but, worst of all, and more fool us, we train their military men, and their flying men, and their naval men.
And then, AND THEN, they have the temerity, the sheer brass neck, to criticise us and one of our foremost religious leaders. Well, SCREW THEM. I've had with islam, moslems and all the dhimmis in this world. From now on I will do nothing, absolutely nothing, without calculating how much my actions can harm islam and I will always seek, wherever and whenever possible, to tailor my actions to provide the maximum harm to islam. And I will encourage all others to do the same.
End of rant. Thank-you for bearing with me.
Dominic.
Posted by: necessitasnonhabetlegem
at September 15, 2006 10:56 PM
USA and civilized nations should get serious. Enough of living with this nonsense. Civilization should not tolerate devils in the name of tolerance. Civilized world has lost hope that these Islamo-Devils will see any reason. Hatred in these Islamo-Devils know no bounds.
World as a whole can harvest solar energy, wind energy in land mass east of Europe and West of India. It is time to clearup this huge land mass of unwanted living organisms. After cleanup civilized world can set up vacation homes, agro industries, solar/wind farms for the benefit of humanity.
at September 15, 2006 11:05 PM
Why is every muslim from end to end of the world and the apologists of Islam shouting at Pope without responding to what he quoted (with an implicit agreement with the quote being presumed)
"Show me just what Mohammad brought that was new, and there you will find things only evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached." - Byzantine Christian Emperor Manuel Paleologos II"
So I too ask with the pope... what is that Mohammed brought that was new which are not evil and inhuman? Anybody bother to answer?
RT
Posted by: RT
at September 15, 2006 11:09 PM
My post was worse than what the Pope quoted and still no riot. Sigh and I told my dog we were getting company. Just as well he would probably get sick.
O' Reilly read the quote and he did not get a riot. Also, why are all muslim spokespeople on American TV women? Not very atractive but she speaks well. Bill didn't buy into it.
Posted by: Ronin
at September 15, 2006 11:17 PM
Well put Dominic.
What the hell does "Jihad is the Hump of Islam" mean?
Prophet Geoff
Posted by: Geoff
at September 16, 2006 12:26 AM
"Show me just what Mohammad brought that was new, and there you will find things only evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached."
Truer words have never been spoken!
necessitasnonhabetlegem said:
"From now on I will do nothing, absolutely nothing, without calculating how much my actions can harm islam and I will always seek, wherever and whenever possible, to tailor my actions to provide the maximum harm to islam."
I am with you, my brother!
PS. Isn't it amazing how the muftis are building our cross-religious and cross-cultural alliances for us..? I'd never known that the muftis were responsible for all that turnoi in India, for example.. no thanks to the MSM of course..
NOW we are all waking up. Things are going to change.. Tancredo for President! or maybe the Pope should have a go at it! get the Bush-dhimmies out of there!! They refused to attack a group of 160 taleban who were gathered in a cemetary.. puting US troops at future risk from those they failed to neutralize ie. kill.
Posted by: germaninamerica
at September 16, 2006 12:30 AM
I have a lot on my chest..
so..
PIG PISS be upon that bitch Mo.. and pig manure be upon that satan they call allah.. islam is the antichrist.
If they attack benedict.. who knows.. he may be sacrificing his life for the REST of us.. his death - should the muftis make such an attempt - would surely serve to awaken and rouse great masses in the rest of the Free World!
Like some in england have said recently: muftis are warned.. you need to LEAVE our lands NOW.. we cannot guarantee your safety any longer.. if anything else happens against our people - no matter what nation they reside in - we cannot guarantee that some of us won't "hijack" the Peaceful Religion of Freedom.
Please.. i BEG you to leave all our lands NOW! :-)
Posted by: germaninamerica
at September 16, 2006 12:35 AM
Robert wrote: "If they believe that a Christian has insulted them in some way, even inadvertently, his contract of protection -- dhimma -- is voided."
The voiding of dhimma would mean that a dhimmi must be killed or expelled, but it's actually somewhat more complicated than that. The crime of insulting Islam is known in shria as "babb", and the schools of islamic jurisprudence differ with regards to what is the appropriate punishment for it. "[T]he Shi'ites and, among the Sunnis, the Hanbali and the Maliki schools are more severe, prescribing the death penalty; the Hanafis and, to some extent, the Shafi'is are more lenient, being content in some cases with with flogging and imprisonment." Bernard Lewis The Jews of Islam, p. 39
Posted by: Liggett
at September 16, 2006 12:50 AM
Isn't it odd that these demonstrations and riots always seem to have no end of English signs on hand, and invariably occur on Fridays. Now what else goes on on Fridays in the ummah?
It's not...prayers at the mosque, is it?
Yet we're told that mosques don't preach violence.
Hmm.
Prophet Geoff
Posted by: Geoff
at September 16, 2006 1:23 AM
1 billion uneducated sand dwellers Vs
1 billion educated catholics.
at September 16, 2006 3:26 AM
Muslims need the current christianism, the Kungs, liberation theology, episcopalianism, and other things, namely a weak christianism, and of course dhimmitude. Why? Because they follow what the chinese said, for winning your enemy, you have to destroy at first, morally.
Sadly The Pope is very alone, few people are informed, many people are sheep and they don´t want to bother and be proud and say the truth. Because we live in a society where the truth is bothering.
at September 16, 2006 3:37 AM
Take a look at "www.arrse" and go to "Muslim anger grows at Popes...."
Its the British Army blog and the boys are not that sympathetic to the RoP.
Posted by: Fred
at September 16, 2006 6:49 AM
Sorry its www.arrse, current affairs section, then "Muslim anger etc.
Posted by: Fred
at September 16, 2006 6:56 AM
Show me just what Mohammad brought that was new, and there you will find things only evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached." - Byzantine Christian Emperor Manuel Paleologos II"
Err, jihad, dhimmitude, baligamy, tortre, stealing, lying, etc, all of which the koran advocates.
Islam brought nothing but evil, just ask the armenians slaughterd by the Turks.
I heard that Muslim clerics have urged their followers to start buying up western real estate. These thugs are clearly trying to take over our civilisation.
At what point are we ALL going to say 'enough is enough'?? This is what scares me. No one takes the Islamic threat seriously enough, we are blinded by political correctness.
Posted by: Philip_Hollywood
at September 17, 2006 1:27 AM
Robert
The Pope may have had another purpose in focusing attention on the Byzantine Empire, a highly cultured, Christian- Roman civilization that pre-existed in the areas conquered by the Islamic Empires that replaced it. Not for Byzantine’s record for religious toleration, but rather by the consideration that historic evidence found from its very existence and final bloody ending, contradicts several modern Islamic claims. For example, that Islam has a legal and historical claim to enforce its religious control over certain regions.
The Byzantine emperor expressed fear and abhorrence of Islamic violence for valid historical reasons. His civilization was under brutal assault by the Islamic armies.
Islamic leaders have a tradition of ignoring the prior claims of other religions and civilizations that pre-existed Islamic dominance. Part of the Imams' anger may have also been provoked by their consternation that Byzantine's historical message has been brought to world attention.
Islam Attempts to Silence an Historic Warning
http://loathlylady.blogspot.com/2006/09/imams-attempt-to-silence-historical.html
at September 17, 2006 2:14 PM
It's only 10% of Islam that is bad, and it's only 10% of the Christian world that allows them to exist this way too!
Posted by: Jeff
at September 17, 2006 10:31 PM
If the rest of the world were to discover those secrets that Islam dreads having exposed, and then act upon this knowledge, the world would be a different (happier?) place. Still, some people seem to get it, and the number is growing. Where did all this hubbub begin? In a place far far away and a long time ago...
11 And you shall bear a son;
And you shall call his name Ishmael,
Because the Lord has given heed to your affliction.
12 “And he will be a wild donkey of a man,
His hand will be against everyone,
And everyone’s hand will be against him;
And he will live to the east of all his brothers.” Genesis 16:11
18And Abraham said unto God, O that Ishmael might live before thee! 19And God said, Sarah thy wife shall bear thee a son indeed; and thou shalt call his name Isaac: and I will establish my covenant with him for an everlasting covenant, and with his seed after him. 20And as for Ishmael, I have heard thee: Behold, I have blessed him, and will make him fruitful, and will multiply him exceedingly; twelve princes shall he beget, and I will make him a great nation. 21But my covenant will I establish with Isaac, which Sarah shall bear unto thee at this set time in the next year. 22And he left off talking with him, and God went up from Abraham.
Genesis 22:18
Mohammed descended from Ishmael. The people Israel come from Isaac. Nuff said.
Posted by: maranatha50
at September 19, 2006 2:59 AM
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