Ah yes, of course. It's the juice, and their horrible American allies who are behind trying to humiliate islam.

Posted by: Bohemond_1069 at September 17, 2006 3:09 PM

How much more convoluted can the Muslims be? Do we know ourselves well enough yet to fight and overcome the chaos of their mentalities?

Sailing to Byzantium
W.B. Yeats

THAT is no country for old men. The young
In one another's arms, birds in the trees
- Those dying generations - at their song,
The salmon-falls, the mackerel-crowded seas,
Fish, flesh, or fowl, commend all summer long
Whatever is begotten, born, and dies.
Caught in that sensual music all neglect
Monuments of unageing intellect.

An aged man is but a paltry thing,
A tattered coat upon a stick, unless
Soul clap its hands and sing, and louder sing
For every tatter in its mortal dress,
Nor is there singing school but studying
Monuments of its own magnificence;
And therefore I have sailed the seas and come
To the holy city of Byzantium.

O sages standing in God's holy fire
As in the gold mosaic of a wall,
Come from the holy fire, perne in a gyre,
And be the singing-masters of my soul.
Consume my heart away; sick with desire
And fastened to a dying animal
It knows not what it is; and gather me
Into the artifice of eternity.

Once out of nature I shall never take
My bodily form from any natural thing,
But such a form as Grecian goldsmiths make
Of hammered gold and gold enamelling
To keep a drowsy Emperor awake;
Or set upon a golden bough to sing
To lords and ladies of Byzantium
Of what is past, or passing, or to come.

I am an agnostic -- but today I must say "God help us!"

Posted by: jsla at September 17, 2006 3:12 PM

N the funny things is most of the iranian people will be like "oh duh duh duh really? Death to America! Death to the Pope! Death to Israel!"

Posted by: Purple Haze at September 17, 2006 3:13 PM

My brothers! I see in your eyes the same fear that would take the heart of me. A day may come when the courage of men fails; when we forsake our friends and break all bonds of fellowship... but it is not this day! An hour of wolves and shattered shields, when the Age of Men comes crashing down! But it is not this day! This day we fight! By all that you hold dear on this good earth, I bid you stand, Men of the West!

Posted by: bondservant at September 17, 2006 3:21 PM

It looks as if just a few more well placed comments from the Pope will cause Muslim heads across the globe to start start exploding, like the aliens in the movie Mars Attacks!

I suddenly feel the urge to start yodeling.

Posted by: Stendec at September 17, 2006 3:27 PM

Don't ever, ever question Islamic paranoia!!! Remember seek and you will find. When you are so superior you will easily find fault. It's what Islamist's do; it's what they are good at. It is due to a higher state of perception, didn't ya know?

The only other people I have come across in my life that are unable to face up to their own inadequacies and resort to threats and violence have been bullies or gangsters. In this case gangsters who hide within a cult parading as a religion. If there is a Hell it will be furnace hot roasting the pathetic soles of big Mo's obedient deluded and hateful zombies.

Posted by: Turbinehead at September 17, 2006 3:29 PM

crazy, ignorant and paranoid

their allah doesn't seem to help them much

/allow them to have nukes, that will be fun !

Posted by: POITIERS-LEPANTO at September 17, 2006 3:35 PM

Instead of vainly trying to stabilize Iraq as a counterweight to Iran, why don't we just destabilize Iran? That's a lot easier. Just a little shock and awe in Teheran.
Hard line newspaper, or is it soft head?

Posted by: jewdog at September 17, 2006 3:43 PM

I wondered how long it would take the Nazis to blame the Jews and the US!

Posted by: IceDragon at September 17, 2006 3:49 PM

We ARE going to go to war with iran, syria, hezbollah, hamas, and possibly other islamic countries(it depends on if their people force their moderate government leaders out which can easily happen.) It is now just a question of when. Now with the pope's latest comments, it has turned thousands of moderates toward Jihad. If they strike first, it will be israel(which is surronded by the way, by militants and countries that hate it.) Which leads me to my next question for Bush, "Do we care about Israel enough to quit trying to avoid the unavoidable?" This is war. Diplomacy has failed horribly..lol do we even equate sanctions with iran anymore? F*ck no! Lets show our ballistic missile capability after we let ahmadinenutjob give his speech and he returns to iran, except ours will not be a test!

Posted by: Purple Haze at September 17, 2006 3:56 PM

Jewdog

"..why don't we just destabilize Iran?"

Then the French would not support us - they think Iran is the "stabilizing force" in the mideast.

Oh, wait - France doesn't support us now. Could they possibly be wrong about Iran? (*snort*)

I just hope the Pope never apologizes for saying what he said. Saying he's sorry for "misunderstanding" to the dumbass Islamics who are driven to kill when their "feelings" are hurt ought to be as far as he goes. What we need right now is someone else of the Pope's stature to publicly agree with him. That should get Iran fired up for the 12th Imam again. Generate false chaos and voila - instant World War.

I'm so tired of listening to all the seething and whining about the poor Islamic "victims" - maybe they need to start another war front. Will anyone fight them besides the US and Austrailia these days?

Posted by: tblubrd at September 17, 2006 3:57 PM

As the IWW (Islamic-Western War) moves into its next phase and draws in more nations and institutions on one side (the Vatican) or the other (Venezuela), we will see the rhetoric and propaganda campaigns on both sides intensify. The Islamic propaganda will be especially shrill and fantastic, laced as it is with delusional religious dogma, paranoia, and myth. This will have the perverse effect of raising Western consciousness of the lethal danger we face and accelerate the pace at which the heretofor naives, skeptics, isolationists, and liberals join the war effort.

It is in our interest to invite the barbarians onto the soapbox, i.e., Ahmenijad at the UN, so as to demonstrate to the civilized world just what we are up against.

Posted by: Charles Martel at September 17, 2006 4:00 PM

Charles Martel -- you appropriately hit the nail on the head.

Posted by: jsla at September 17, 2006 4:14 PM

Sting operation shows clerics issuing fatwas for money

Would'nt it be funny if we gave enough money to get such imams to issue fatwas against more prominent jihadi imams?

Posted by: ik at September 17, 2006 4:23 PM

Since allah is a false god and nothing more than a rock in Mecca, an mere idol, it stands to reason that it cannot defend itself against the words of men so it must have mindless followers whose hearts are as black as it is to commit murder for it.

Posted by: Bohemond_1069 at September 17, 2006 4:25 PM

No, I don't agree with Mr. Martel, though I respect his opinion. His opinion is based on the belief that there are enough intelligent human beings out there with the ability to recognize a crazy, frothing-at-the-mouth, rabid maniac when they see one. I hate to disappoint him, but most people are like the iranians that Purple Haze described. Most will say, "duh, duh, maybe the imperialists americans and the evil, evil zionists are doing this after all". And we all know how impartial the UN is :) :) :) The experience of the 1936 olympics tells us to not give a maniac a large forum to be heard in. The only forum Ahmanutjob deserves is a trash dumpster.

Posted by: bonncaruso at September 17, 2006 4:28 PM

This article reminds me of Seth Brundlefly and his delusional insect politics rant in the movie The Fly. This is what we are dealing with in Iran. Seth Brundlefly's version of an insect run political system. Imagine a whole society of Brundlefly's running newspapers, governments, judicial systems. Seth was talking about the Middle East.

Posted by: ethoman at September 17, 2006 4:46 PM

If we have as little faith in our society, in our history, and in our proud legacy in the West as you exhibit, bonncaruso, then we are doomed.

I repudiate that utterly.

Posted by: jsla at September 17, 2006 4:52 PM

If we were truly trying to win this war of civilization against the stone-age, we would have taken out the whole bunch in Cuba. Talk about a target rich environment.
McCain and Warner want to play nice now with the head-hunters, I wonder how many of our soldiers will be saved from beheading now that they are "protected" by the one-sided Geneva Convention...

Posted by: Carolyn2 at September 17, 2006 4:58 PM

One thing that stuck was looking at a poll of AOL users. If you look at one of these on gay marriage or PETA, you'd think that the green party will nominate the next President.

A recent poll covered the Pope's remarks, and AOL users were 3:1 in favor of his statements.

Let the cameras roll. Teep talking Mahmoud, you look like an idiot.

Posted by: limes at September 17, 2006 5:00 PM

See, the thing is, we really hurt ourselves over the years by urging the UN to "act quickly" on an iran resolution but on the other hand, allowing the resolution on the hezbollah-israeli conflict to carry on. They have far more ammunition than us on the verbal front. Hell they even have russia and china like "Is the US really like this?" Then what to we do to unintentionally confirm this? Tell china that "your not letting people choose religious freedoms." This is a complete mess. Unless you do extensive research or watch a real movie that details this looming World War(a good movie to watch to understand this is Obsession.) The propaganda that is aired throughout the muslem world is just so extensive here are two video clips that were used in the Obsession movie-
http://switch5.castup.net/frames/20041020_MemriTV_Popup/video_480x360.asp?ai=214&ar=199wmv&ak=null

http://switch5.castup.net/frames/20041020_MemriTV_Popup/video_480x360.asp?ai=214&ar=221wmv&ak=null

And who comes up with all this? None other than the surpreme brainwashers and soon to be the leader of the muslem world- Iran. Iran cannot as of right now reach us with our ballistic missiles but what stops them from sending their missiles to their new "trench mate" Hugo Chavez? Absolutely nothing. What stops iran from wanting to help other Non aligned nations with the uranium enrichment process? Absolutely nothing.

Posted by: Purple Haze at September 17, 2006 5:07 PM

Answering the rhetorical question about Hugo Chavez; The Catholic Church is huge in Central and South America. Venezuela’s numbers are 96%, Mexico is 89%, and Colombia is 90%.

Chavez’s support for candidates outside of Venezuela is not good news for the recipient.

This is another good argument in support of giving the Islamists a megaphone and allowing the Catholic Church to respond with reason. Our neighbors to the south are intelligent and very spiritual. Churches are filled to capacity.

Posted by: limes at September 17, 2006 5:22 PM

Where did I say anything about Hugo Chavez and churches?

Posted by: Purple Haze at September 17, 2006 5:25 PM

Just making a point about what will prevent him from becoming a 'trenchmate' for Iran. It will be difficult for Islam to make significant inroads in Latin America due to their faith-based culture.

If Catholic-Islamic tensions are heightened and the debate is taken front-and-center, it will be all the more difficult.

Posted by: limes at September 17, 2006 5:41 PM

Limes

Yes, I thought it was likely a consideration that someone in Rome has made.

The communist and totalitarian derive in South America must be dealt with. Those countries should be helped become full members of the western front against the next centuries perils. We need them, just as we need India.

Posted by: roguereligion at September 17, 2006 5:47 PM

Here's what we do :

Next week when everybody's at the U.N., we arrest em all; Khatami, Admadinejad, Castro, Chavez, Kim Ill, etc., etc.

Then we say boys, we'll let you go when you give us what we want....or else it's Gitmo for you.....

Perfect, Yes?

Posted by: n.a. palm at September 17, 2006 5:53 PM

Would that we Jews had had such control when we really needed it--60 years ago. Speaking of which, if we Jews are in such tight control of the media, how is it Israel got roasted by said media in the last Lebanon War?

The Pope-Islam crisis has elicited words of support from at least one Israeli Orthodox Jewish rabbi:

Benedict is right, by Rabbi Yisrael Rozen

Posted by: ZionistYoungster at September 17, 2006 5:54 PM

lol kim jong ill is 95% of the time in an underground hole since he saw the shock and awe campaign in iraq.

Posted by: Purple Haze at September 17, 2006 6:00 PM

Never underestimate the blind foaming stupidity of the Muslim masses. They actually believe this shit.

Posted by: AndyGill at September 17, 2006 6:20 PM

Reasons to be cheerful:

Nimitz class aircraft carriers
A10 Warthogs
Apache attack helicoptors
Challenger tanks
SSBN's
F-18's
F-16's
GAU-2/A

And millions of people who couldn't care less if Allah invented a travelling circus.

On the opposing team:

Lots of angry men with beards and mental problems who like to get angry but havn't considered how they are actually going to conquer the people with Nimitz class aircraft carriers, A10 Warthogs, Apache attack helicopters...

Posted by: Mert at September 17, 2006 6:47 PM

Mert, did you ever consider that the hezbollah war was started by iran to try to test out their method of war? Those bunkers are so dug in it was crazy. Who dug them do you ask? The iranians. They found revolutionary guards dead amoung the hezbollah. Its like Vietnam. A cargo ship was intercepted that was going to syria that contained anti aircraft vehicles. Who was it from do you ask? North korea. What shipments did they miss? Notice in these latest wars, none of the countries we invaded had real allies. Iran is now forming alliances with many countries in many ways: weapons, money, oil etc. At the NAM meeting, Ahmadinejad met with North Korea's #2 man and vowed to "expand all ties and trade". We already see iran and chavez. Ahmadinejad and chavez already have China by the balls because of their huge dependence on oil. Russia could care less if the world is against us. Why? Remember we blocked them from the WTO? Bush is far too stupid to realize the mistakes he is making and how it is slowly comming back to bite him in his stupid ass. Like I said in previous posts, we are in a waiting game. The iranians want us to attack them so they can say "Look! they are proceeding to take over the whole middle east." and draw wider support. and we are waiting for them to attack us/israel so we can say "look! its the middle east that indeed, is the problem." Because it seems now Russia and china are in total confusion of who is right and wrong and a question to you, wouldn't you like to have china and russia on your side in a war?

Posted by: Purple Haze at September 17, 2006 7:05 PM

"The American and the Zionist aim is to undermine the glorious triumph of Islam's children of Lebanese Hezbollah, which annulled the undefeatable legend of the Israeli army and foiled the Satanic and colonialist American plot,"

This is comic book language.

Posted by: poetcomic1 at September 17, 2006 7:19 PM

Ok, I have to fess up. I've been in on the US/Zionist plot. Here's what happened:
Early Friday morning, while I was munching on my bagel and lox, the phone rang...
"Hello? Ben!! Whaaasup, Mr. Pope?"
"Hey Jewdog! Listen, I'm going to be giving a talk at this school and I need some ideas, and I know how sly you people are.."
"Hmmm, Let's see...I've got it! Why not quote old Emperor Paleologus, he said some really nasty stuff about Islam. That'll stick it good to those Holy Warriors."
"Great idea! I'll google that guy and get a zinger quote. Auf weidersehen, mein Juden freund!"
"Shalom, Ben!"

So there you have it, folks.

Posted by: jewdog at September 17, 2006 7:22 PM

For a start Russia and China only see Islam as the useful idiot and nothing more. China and Putin are masters of suppressing their own people, Islam as no place there.

And Islam is not going to outbreed the world. They are losing support in Africa and South America. They will never be able to tip the political balance in terms of voters in America. Despite the fact that the planting of bombs as raised their profile from the desultory: 2.7% in Britain and 3.7% in Germany. There is no crystal ball that promises that this rise in the Muslim population is going to rise to the Balkan war level of 30%.

China can do business with the West, after all we are the greatest consumers on the planet, we are powering China’s rise to greatness one cheap jumper at a time. Could China do business with a world made to look like Iran when the oil runs out?

All I am saying is that there are many more reasons to be cheerful if only we could get away from the End of Days bullshit infecting us because of the PC crap we are getting fed.

At the end of the day those angry men on the streets are savages and nothing more, they are not a threat to my family, but when they are, they won’t be the only angry men on the street. We are not doomed.

Posted by: Mert at September 17, 2006 7:44 PM

Dealing with Muslims is like trying to apply logic when dealing with a bunch of juvenile brats. I used to think we all worshipped the same god. The only way I could possibly think that these days would be if God had a severe case of bipolar disorder and had given one end of it or the other to different worshippers. I've heard of the Antichrist for years. By george, I think he's here.

Posted by: InfidelProud at September 17, 2006 7:44 PM

Just found some good stuff on this 'blog.
Latest from Victor Davis Hanson.

http://atlasshrugs2000.typepad.com/atlas_shrugs/

Posted by: Gramfan at September 17, 2006 7:55 PM

I never thought I was worshipping the same God, so I am not surprised by anything they do.

Usama was not thinking of any God when he attacked the US, he was thinking of politics.

Posted by: Mert at September 17, 2006 7:57 PM

"The Pope-Islam crisis has elicited words of support from at least one Israeli Orthodox Jewish rabbi:

Benedict is right, by Rabbi Yisrael Rozen"

Posted by: ZionistYoungster

ZY, thanks for the link. I totally agree otherwise we will all be in deep S***.
OK, I know we are already:(

Posted by: Gramfan at September 17, 2006 8:07 PM

"The daily Jomhuri Islami said Israel and the United States could have dictated the comments"

So its settled then, the ones behind the Pope's words were, the Pope, Bush, Iraqi war, the jews, Dick Chaney and Haliburton.

Today on the news (TV) a muslim said the Pope's apology today was a good START.

I think the powers around the world should get together and take turns "accidentally" saying something that gets the muslims around the world all fired up.
Say, once every 3 weeks or so a new comment comes out by a leader or one of influence which he/she has to apologize for a few days later.

Over time the muslims will get tired of their own antics as well as looking like a joke every time it happens.

Posted by: thehappyinfidel at September 17, 2006 9:11 PM

If only the Zionist knew they're involved in every conspiracy in the world, maybe we'd all calm down. This just let you know, that the losers are losing the war; ah, but if the truth hurts, then use it on them!

Posted by: Jeff at September 17, 2006 9:37 PM

Think about this intelligent plan... You take 3 members from resistance groups inside iran. You train them to be excellent snipers. They could or attempt to take out Ahmadinejad. None of our footprints would be shown that could connect us to the killing. They will have no basis to attack anyone, and if they do decide to attack someone, they will lose most of their support. Hopefully, a plan like this is in the works!

Posted by: Purple Haze at September 17, 2006 9:43 PM

Sadly there are also some Catholic (Traditionalists, pre conciliar) that believe the same way.

Yesterday I posted a link to one such Catholic on another forum, who made a statement that echos that of Ahmadinutjob

Posted by: Nariz at September 17, 2006 9:44 PM

Thank God for a Pope that has the guts to call a spade a spade, no matter how indirect. Please don't apologize. Let the riots begin from the Relegion of Peace.

Posted by: Hillbilly at September 17, 2006 9:54 PM

Yeah, it's amazing how the civilized world has to dumbsize itself to deal with Islamic extremist. This 10% ratio of bad Islamic's ruling the 90% has been the same since the creation of Islam, and we still deal with this problem as if we're dealing with the 90%!?

Posted by: Jeff at September 17, 2006 10:13 PM

Nah...really, it was a US, Israel, Vatican plot to generate violence from the Muslim world....to PROVE to the West that they are anything but civilized OR 'peaceful'. Cough cough

By this very clever, sneaky plot...cough cough...it brings things forward to the upcoming war with Iran and Syria...when we back Israel while she drops mushrooms. Of course, this will take place soon after the Republicans win the upcoming elections.

How will they win you ask? Easy.

Iran met with Iraq promising to assist them in stopping the insurgency. Hmmmm

Me thinks this was something that the Monkey has done because of yet another plot by the EU to con him into thinking that the Europeans CARE about his oil....and Condi Rice then turns around and publically states that they are going to give him a couple more months to THINK about their offer (to give dialogue a chance)?

Me thinks this is a trick to make Iran think they are pushing us around while in reality the US and its EU allies are getting set up and ready to back Israel when they bomb the hell out of Iran/Syria. This would explain the big naval fleet off of Lebanon AND the increase in troops.

Oh, and let's not forget that very recently Russia cancelled war games with us for 'technical reasons'. Hmmmm, could it be that they have changed their minds and are preparing to help Iran/Syria because they know we are getting ready to back Israel???

Or let's make this conspiracy theory REALLY GOOD. Perhaps Russia are with us on this plot to rid the world of the Iranians because we have promised them some kind of economic benefits?

Hmmmmmmm

Start shaking in your shoes Monkey...your days are numbered.

Does all this sound nuts? Well, that's how Muslims sound to me. Backwards, retarded, barbaric and impossible to reason with.

Posted by: The Goobs at September 17, 2006 10:14 PM

Lots of angry men with beards and mental problems who like to get angry but havn't considered how they are actually going to conquer the people with Nimitz class aircraft carriers, A10 Warthogs, Apache attack helicopters...

Yes they have.

Their manipulation of the media, use of soft power, and use of the Left's army of useful idiots is second to none. Our unwillingness to employ hard power (heck, even deport the creeps) should keep us busy for decades (centuries, millenia). Or we'll lose. Don't forget Hugh's Three D's: da'wa, demography, and dhimmitude. They win with those every day. What happens if the new U.S. Marine mosque is a roaring success?

*shudder*

Posted by: Beagle at September 17, 2006 10:49 PM

The West allows for tolerance, even though, over a billion Muslims, have a very different idea about culture, law (Sharia), and killing non-Muslims. Islam is a closed-end belief system. Scientific advances in Islam are mostly about nuclear proliferation. Islamic militant jihad is a force against our version of what is just. Truth may be simple and practical, but we can be distracted by false constructs.

To fend for our survival, we must be armed with knowledge, and aware of our history. Plato and Socrates had free minds and debated, in the interest of seeking truth. The contemporary West also has a foundation for tolerance and open thought. The Enlightenment was based on free government and scientific method. We can; test, formulate hypothesis, confirm, disconfirm, present theory and opinion based on evidence, understand intrinsic connections, and explore views beyond what is mutually agreed to allow for additional choices and a broader spectrum. With balance, we discern reality from propaganda, beyond the perspectives of only what is good and bad. We base our views on logic and facts, and fight against falsehoods.

Our mental freedom has a value. We need more then a simple state of consciousness, a part explanation, or ideas based only on the reflection of a culture and psychology. The intrinsic nature of science allows us to seek plausible objectives and intellectual truth about the way the world operates. With the truth, we can effectively face and expose Islam.

Posted by: SFOD at September 18, 2006 12:27 AM

The daily Jomhuri Islami said Israel and the United States -- the Islamic republic's two arch-enemies -- could have dictated the comments to distract attention from the resistance of the Shiite militant group Hezbollah to Israel's offensive on Lebanon.

Excuse us, but the pope's comments didn't distract attention.....Muslim overreaction to the pope did. If Muslims hadn't gotten so bent about it, no one would've even known what the pope said, and Muslims would've continued to have the world's attention on Lebanon. But Muslims, thanks ever to their trademark overreaction to criticism, have themselves distracted the world's attention from their beloved Hezbollah and onto yet another embarassing example of their childishness.

Posted by: yadayada at September 18, 2006 2:57 AM

JewDog,
had a good laugh at your phone-y conversation.
Thanks for that. I do believe we can all do with a laugh right now!

Posted by: Gramfan at September 18, 2006 3:31 AM

I thought the Great Satan made him do it!

Posted by: pythagoras at September 18, 2006 1:25 PM

I've got a case of Grape flavored Kool-aid for the iranian thug-in-chief and his cronies and his press people too.

Posted by: CelticCoyote at September 18, 2006 2:45 PM