This needs to be a public statement to all muslim dominated countries by our President.

"IF AMERICA IS ATTACKED AGAIN, WE WILL BOMB THE COUNTRY THE TERRORISTS ARE FROM AND ANY TERRORISTS CAMP THEY TRAINED IN. WE WILL LEAVE THEM IN RUIN."

It is time to stand up and protect America.

Prepare, Be Armed, Be Ready.

The Texican.
God, Family, America and Freedom, the only choice at any cost.

Posted by: Texican at September 21, 2006 5:17 PM

U.S. threatened to bomb Pakistan after 9/11:
Life is full of missed opportunities......

Posted by: Bohemond_1069 at September 21, 2006 5:25 PM

Well bush went up one notch in my book. Only wish he did. Musharaff is ten times the terrorist saddam is. As for the remark " prepared to be bombed back into the stone age" Wouldnt that be an improvement.

Posted by: pissedoffcanadian at September 21, 2006 5:32 PM

Well... if you aren't with us your are against was the gist of what President Bush originally said. Makes sense to me.

Posted by: Monkeywho at September 21, 2006 5:32 PM

Let's crank up the heat then and start talking about nuking Mecca. Tancredo was right to bring it up. It should be an option.

I'm fed up with pussyfooting around these animals. Let's give them something to really howl about.

Posted by: atheling at September 21, 2006 5:33 PM

Well... if you aren't with us; you are against was the gist of what President Bush originally said. Makes sense to me.

Posted by: Monkeywho at September 21, 2006 5:33 PM

He would have probably worried more over us not paying the jizyah than bombing him.

Posted by: freewoman at September 21, 2006 5:40 PM

Wait 'till the New Duranty Times gets hold if this story!

That threat (promise) must be renewed.

Posted by: Pelayo at September 21, 2006 5:41 PM

I'm voting Republican for the duration. Never have before, but now you've sold me.

Jihadis from Pakistan are a plague and Mohammed is their vector.

Worldwide Jihad will continue to be a threat until we pay more attention to who's doing Islam in Paris, France than we pay to who's doing Paris, Hilton.

Posted by: A_Plague_on_Both_Houses at September 21, 2006 5:42 PM

Oh, golly gee whiz, if this story is from Reuters, then it must be true.

Posted by: Pelayo at September 21, 2006 5:43 PM

Somehow, I just don't believe that Armitage, from the Islamophiliac State Department, was the one who delivered that message. I recall reading that it was the US ambassador Wendy Chamberlain, niece of Neville, actually no, who did.

Also, the US had 2 aircraft carriers off the Karachi coast ready for action. Note that at the time, India offered the US any military bases they wanted for such an operation, but was declined. So it's unlikely that the staunch ally is telling the truth.

Sooner or later, that need will come, and it will have to be a nuclear tipped ICBM - no conventional forces can take on a nuclear Pakistan.

Posted by: Infidel Pride at September 21, 2006 5:45 PM

I find this funny to come after Ahmadinejad and Chavez's speeches. Chavez called for countries to stand up to the US and "not take it anymore". Well, now it seems like pakistan's president is slowly going to align himself with ahmadinejad and becomes another hand of his to solidify his plan to defeat the US and Israel, if not give him a nuke "on the low" so he can carry out his "al-mahdi" plan.

Death to Ahmadinejad!

Posted by: Purple Haze at September 21, 2006 5:49 PM

KillHankKill - I agree with you. This set of Musharraf statements are his attempt to CYA.

the sooner he falls, the sooner the Islamic Theocracy of Pakistan will rise and then the sooner the United States and India can walk across the boarders, meet in the middle and confiscate A.Q. Khan's nukes.

this is good news for the long run. Stability and Sovereignity of sections of world real estate should be considered obsolete now that we're in the daze of trans-national Jihadi movements and now that we're fighting stateless organizations and trans-national groups brought together under a facist relgio-political system.

Posted by: A_Plague_on_Both_Houses at September 21, 2006 5:55 PM

Wow this is really bad fellaz.

Iran

North Korea

Hezbollah

Hamas

China and Russia sliding away from us more and more, day by day. http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20060921/pl_afp/nkoreanuclearunus_060921191116;_ylt=AiYZc6ZfRZFY8hDnSs30A_SCscEA;_ylu=X3oDMTBiMW04NW9mBHNlYwMlJVRPUCUl

Venezuela

Cuba

and now...Pakistan sliding away from us

Laughter and applause at Chavez comments at the UN as well as at the Harlem church he spoke at.

Applause for Ahmadinejad.

Pope causing moslems to shit their pants.

Do realize, they can start a new World War at anytime. Oh, and did I mention, they are all allies(except pakistan-or who knows? maybe it hasn't been made public yet!) ?

Posted by: Purple Haze at September 21, 2006 5:59 PM

Did Pakistan plan 9-11 with al Qaeda? Did Musharraf know in advance? After 9-11, Pakistan got over 3 billion in US aid. Was part of that given to bin Laden as his cut?

Pakistan did its nuclear test on May 1998. In August, al Qaeda attacked the US embassies in Africa. In 2000 the USS Cole. On 9-11, in the US. After 9-11 Pakistan got billions. Did Pakistan not know what al Qaeda was doing?

Posted by: Old Atlantic at September 21, 2006 6:19 PM

I remember watching the Musharraf television address in the immediate aftermath of 9/11 -- I think it may have been right after we attacked Afghanistan -- Pakistan was the last country to sever relations with the Taliban, and was one of only three nations who ever had diplomatic relations with the Taliban to my knowledge (the other two predictably being Saudi Arabia and the UAE...)

Anyway, I took special note of Musharraf's exrteme lack of composure in the address. His hands were shaking. He looked like he was shaken to his core... I remember thinking to myself that the President must have said something extremely convincing to bring him to heel like: "Get ready -- the bombers are in the air, if you don't do what we say and NOW you will regret it..." This address, I believe, records the moments after Pervez made his mementous decision to survive.

Knowing what we apparently know now, it would be terribly interesting to see that video again. Anyone know how to find such a thing on the internet? I've searched every way I can think, but haven't been able to zero in on it.

Posted by: jsla at September 21, 2006 6:37 PM

Musharraf "September 19" 2001 video

as a search in Google brings up some links on reports of his speech, but I didn't find the video.

Above URL has some interesting comments on whether Musharraf knew. They conclue he did.

Posted by: Old Atlantic at September 21, 2006 6:47 PM

Actually the link below on name "Old Atlantic", or one above has the discussion on whether Musharraf knew.

Posted by: Old Atlantic at September 21, 2006 6:49 PM

I certainly hope that this is repeated again and again and actually done if the Paks don't get on board and soon:

http://www.cnn.com/2006/POLITICS/09/20/bush.intv/index.html

We should be focusing our forces in Afghanistan to finish the mission that so many signed up for after 9/11. Saying Dead or Alive and not finishing the mission is a sign of total wishy washy weakness. Saying those countries that harbor terrorists are fair game and then making an exception is a sign of total wishy washy weakness. Allowing a so-called ally to make deals with terrorists is unforgivable, no matter how you spin it.

Posted by: amana39 at September 21, 2006 6:52 PM

"President Pervez Musharraf of Pakistan said that after the September 11 attacks the United States threatened to bomb his country if it did not cooperate.."

Now I know why he is a "staunch" ally of the U.S.!!

Posted by: Anti-PC at September 21, 2006 7:06 PM

Let us hope that the offer to Pakistan is stll good. Everyone needs motivation.

Posted by: pismopal at September 21, 2006 7:07 PM

Thanks for the info, Old Atlantic -- still looking -- CNN has a link, but the vid won't play from their archives -- I've written to them -- hopefully they'll take note.

http://archives.cnn.com/2001/WORLD/asiapcf/south/09/19/pakistan.address/index.html

Musharraf makes his case for helping U.S.
September 19, 2001 Posted: 8:03 PM EDT (0003 GMT)

link halfway down the page... Maybe it will play on someone else's computer... I'm not clear on the exact chronology -- and again, as above, I'm speculating, but I think this TV address was probably also part of a demand on the part of the US for the Paks not to do the typical Muslim thing -- saying one thing in private while inciting hatred in public -- I'll watch this interview on Sunday, but Musharraf may not be revealing all. I suspect he was told to make a clear and public statement separating himself from the 9/11 act or suffer annihilation.

This is the only way to deal with these filthy Muslims. All the peaches and cream has gotten us worse than nothing -- our decency and attempts to salvage their bottomless sewer of depravity has only emboldened them in the intervening 5 years.

It's time to start some severe population mitigation operations.

Talion times ten might be a good place to start...

Posted by: jsla at September 21, 2006 7:34 PM

Many people are not informed of what is happening in pakistan. In order to understand the phenomenon of international terrorism emnating from pakistan, you have to understand its social and ethnic past and the consequent fault lines.

The dominant ethnic group in pakistan is Punjabis who harbor strong and natural tendency to usurp and exploit the minority "sindhi", "balochi" and pashtoon people as well as kashmiris in pakistan occupied kashmir.

Most of the terrorists operating from pakistan, afghanistan, and India are Punjabis regardless whether they are Muslims, sikhs or hindus.

Punjabis are systematically committing genocide and cultural annihilation of non-punjabis and in order to hold the artificial state of pakistan together and divert the attention of society away from these barbaric acts they have assumed India as their enemy in the region.

In addition they are colluding with arab and central asian muslims to give it an international dimension.

Punjabis are taking away jobs of minority non-punjabis and forcibly uprooting the indigenous people and flooding those lands with punjabis.

This has lead to a very trajic situation in pakistan occupied kashmir where punjabis now outnumber kashmiris and kashmiris have become refugees in their own land.

Pakistan's Inter Services Intelligence, ISI, is mainly a punjabi establishment.

Most of the jihad funding and jihad ideology is promoted by punjabis, involvement of non-punjabis is negligible.

Punjabis settled in karachi have a massive set-up of financial (hawala) operations supported mainly by Countries in arabian peninsula.

Posted by: mystichealer at September 21, 2006 7:36 PM

Sounds like the best plan is to break up Pakistan into pieces, and take out the nukes, subs, and cruise missiles. Pakistan wants to put those all together, and sell them to NoKo, Iran, Saudis, and possibly al Qaeda, Hamas, Hizbullah. Those subs will sit off our coasts and we will pay Jizyah tax of trillions to replace the oil money.

Posted by: Old Atlantic at September 21, 2006 7:38 PM

Please watch Hamid Karzai's speech to UN general assembly.

He clearly indicates that its not afghanistan who is behind these terrorist acts.

The epicentre of terror is Punjabis.

If you carefully read the history of the region for last 3-4 milleniums (not centuries, mind you) you will find that this has been a long standing problem even before islam.

Punjabis have been deceiving the afghans and the indians from a very early period, but unfortunately afghans and undivided-India never learnt.

Posted by: mystichealer at September 21, 2006 7:42 PM

http://www.un.org/webcast/ga/61/gastatement20.shtml

Here is the link for Karzai speech.

Punjabi deception and terrorism has devastated the afghans, sindhis, balochis and kashmiris.

Posted by: mystichealer at September 21, 2006 7:46 PM

"Be prepared to be bombed. Be prepared to go back to the Stone Age. . . "

Whether this was actually used, that is, said to Musharraf, is interesting but what's more interesting is the line itself. It can be used on various critters:

Huguito Chavez

Ahminejad (sp?)

Musharraf (again)

Waziristan Taliban (people)

Afghanistan Taliban-supporting areas (people)

Iraq (Mukhtar al Sadr [sp?] and other pertinent areas where US candy-spreading forces are being pelted with rocks.

Etc., etc., etc.

Posted by: unicorns62000 at September 21, 2006 8:12 PM

Bill Roggio over at The Fourth Rail has some interesting observations on Pakistan. They appear to have given up completely on the tribal areas and are probably going to give up more - to the Taliban.

snippet:
Pakistan is considering further cession of authority in the Northwest Frontier Province. A recent report indicates Pakistan is also considering a constitutional amendment for provincial autonomy, apparently for Baluchistan and the NWFP. More deals are in the offing, and al-Qaeda and the Taliban's power will only grow.

Posted by: tblubrd at September 21, 2006 8:14 PM

Fed Up
Hey, you've taken the punchline I was gonna' use...Crapistan has always been in the Stone Age since conversion to Islam. Looks like Mushie is doing a runner from his friend & ally,the U.S-the West can never trust any Muslim ally particularly Saudis & Pakis.

Posted by: Morgane at September 21, 2006 8:21 PM

Most of the terrorists operating from pakistan, afghanistan, and India are Punjabis regardless whether they are Muslims, sikhs or hindus. Posted by: Mystichealer

While there may well be real ethnic fissures within Pakistan, as far as the Jihad aspect goes, there aren't pro-Infidel factions among the non-Punjabis. In fact, al Qaeda's main support comes in the Pathan dominated areas in Waziristan and Peshawar - neither of which are Punjabi strongholds. And the MQM - the leading Jihadi alliance in Pakistan - is strongest in NWFP and Baluchistan, and to a lesser extent, Sind, not in Punjab proper.

Posted by: Infidel Pride at September 21, 2006 8:39 PM

Fedup

I prefer my own coined term - F#@kistan.

Posted by: Infidel Pride at September 21, 2006 8:40 PM

The Punjabi Sikhs still harbor deep resentment again Indians and their terrorist actions though dormant now can be revived.

Although the rank and file among the taliban do have an afghan element, but its strategic advisors, financiers and military and tactical support all comes from punjabis.

The pro-infidel assertion is baseless since I never brought it up.

Al Qaida's main support is from Punjab not Pathan areas. The pathan areas are mainly surrogates for these activities.

The MQM, mohajir kaumi movement was started by Indian mohajirs who went to pakistan during and after its formation.

Interestingly MQM was started because Indian muslims were treated like refugees by Punjabis.

Even today MQM is an internal separatist movement in pakistan and does not have international presence.

Posted by: mystichealer at September 21, 2006 8:57 PM

When is the elecetion?

"The intelligence director told me that (Armitage) said, 'Be prepared to be bombed. Be prepared to go back to the Stone Age,'" Musharraf said.

I bet someone told Musharraf to say this before the election or else: Be prepared to be bombed. Be prepared to go back to the Stone Age'.

Hehehe - just kidding friends. As bad as the Repubes are, the pussycrats simply cannot be trusted in power in times of War. Nor can Sen. McCain. He is committing political suicide IMHO. Besides treason that is.

I am heartened to hear what this guy said but who knows.. these guys are pretty easy with the truth. Tacquiya.. did I spell that right? Do I care?

Posted by: germaninamerica at September 21, 2006 9:01 PM

Punjabis launched a misinformation campaign against Mohajirs and told the Sindhis, balochis and pathans that Mohajirs were taking away jobs and livelihood and exploiting others.

But that was not true, rather, Mohajirs due to their higher qualifications were naturally acquiring higher legal, administrative and political positions.

Punjabis wanted to concentrate all power in their own hands so starting with Ayub Khan's regime, they assumed India as the enemy of pakistan to confuse and soften the non-punjabis.

This led to marginalization of all non-punjabis, the rise of terrorist groups against India since the 1970s and after the soviet-afghan debacle in 1989, the rise of the international punjabi-arab terror organizations.

Posted by: mystichealer at September 21, 2006 9:07 PM

The axis of evil is:

1. Punjabis
2. Iranians
3. Arabs

The epicentre is in Islamabad.

Posted by: mystichealer at September 21, 2006 9:10 PM

Anybody with any sophistication knows that Mussharaf said what he said for internal digestion. He senses the jackals are circling him and he's trying to say we strongarmed him. I don't believe a word of it, but in the conspiratorial vapors of an Islamic society this bilge is regarded as possibly credible.

I think we do owe him a golden parachute. It's time to get him out of Pakistan and into reconstructive surgery and witness protection, for he and his family.

Otherwise, I do not trust the Pakis as far as I can spit. His country is already in the Stone Age, and I'm sure Mr. Armitage would not have been so stupid as to have phrased it that way.

Posted by: FredIsinglass at September 21, 2006 9:11 PM

The Punjabi Sikhs still harbor deep resentment again Indians and their terrorist actions though dormant now can be revived.

Sure they could revive. But that has nothing to do with being Punjabi. The reason a segment of the Sikhs were restive in the 80's was Congress politiking - supporting Bhindranwale in order to undercut support for the Akalis. Since that experiment ultimately resulted in Indira Gandhi's assassination (praise be to Beant and Satwant), it's unlikely that any future Congress regime would be stupid enough to try that again.

Posted by: Infidel Pride at September 21, 2006 9:13 PM

mystichealer,
What have you been smoking ? Punjabis have been creating trouble for the past 3-4 milleniums ? Are you crazy or just a troll trying to spread confusion ? Heard of Chandragupta Maurya ? Who do you think he was ? And where I live, there are plenty of Hindus and Sikhs from Punjab. Yes, it is true that the muslims from Punjab are the majority in pakistan, but the baloochees and waziris are no less ferocious. In fact these waziris have forced the paki government to leave their areas. Permanently. If you are a balooch, please remember that prior to muslim invasion, all that territory was controlled by Punjabis, but they were all Hindus. And 'balooch' did not exist. So stop making out that Punjabis have been on a rampage for milleniums.

Posted by: arjun.sevak at September 21, 2006 10:48 PM

Sure Pakistan is our good friend, our "staunch ally". Isn't that how you deal with good friends and "staunch allies", you threaten to bomb them back to the stone age if they don't do what you want?

And so what have we gained by keeping our good friend Musharraf in power? Pakistan has nuclear weapons and they have Osama Bin Laden. The resurgent Taliban is based in Pakistan. Musharraf's hold on power is tenuous at best. In return for Pakistani "friendship", we have sent massive aid to them, including military supplies. What have we gained by creating and maintaining the fiction that Pakistan is our friend and ally?

Posted by: special_guest at September 21, 2006 10:56 PM

If you ever wish to know who is friend and who is foe, watch their leaders with our President during a press conference. Body language always gives away their true intentions. Musharaf has bad body language when speaking with Bush. He clams up, and only there in body, not in spirit. Seldom smiles and only there because we threatened to bomb the shit out of his country, which I knew from the moment Pakistan came on board. Musharaf is petrified of us and does not like us. The only way we'll ever get Bin Laden is by bombing the shit out of Waziristan because Pakistan is not going to give him up.

Posted by: Bonniea at September 21, 2006 10:59 PM

Is Pervez telling the truth? If so then good for the USA. My guess is that he's saying this so he can paint himself as a victim of arm twisting to his fellow cultists. Maybe the merciful ones will then spare him a beheading since he's persecuting the peaceful ones as America's flunky. I'll say this for him-at least he's making an effort to weed out some of the worst of the bunch, which is more than can be said for the rest of the "moderate" Islamic world.

Posted by: ISLAMSFORLOSERS at September 21, 2006 11:24 PM

I'm voting Republican for the duration. Never have before, but now you've sold me.

Jihadis from Pakistan are a plague and Mohammed is their vector.

Worldwide Jihad will continue to be a threat until we pay more attention to who's doing Islam in Paris, France than we pay to who's doing Paris, Hilton.
Posted by: A_Plague_on_Both_Houses

Taqiyya plague,, you have never voted nothing but Republican, people who make statements like yours are as dishonest as muslims. Like "saying some of my best friends are....", meaning of course none of your friends are.. Islam doesn't have a monopoly on lies and taqiyya.. but I do agree with your second and third paragraphs.

And I especially agree with Texican who said

"IF AMERICA IS ATTACKED AGAIN, WE WILL BOMB THE COUNTRY THE TERRORISTS ARE FROM AND ANY TERRORISTS CAMP THEY TRAINED IN. WE WILL LEAVE THEM IN RUIN."

Except we would have to start bombing our own country first, were it not for the Reagan Administration (which incidentally gave Osama a personal tour of military bases as Tim Osman), were it not for Ollie North, selling Arms to Iran, were it not for "conservatives" training, funding, and equipping the Taliban and al Qaida, were it nor for them working with Pakistan to funnel weapons and money to the Islamist, then we wouldn't have this problem would we?

So should we bomb ourselves because we (and the Brits) are responsible for funding and supporting the Islamists? The Saudis of course used us, but we did it to ourselves.. in case you are up to it read Robert Dreyfuss' The Devils Game How the U.S.(and Britain) helped unleash Islamist fundamentalism.

Posted by: Nariz at September 21, 2006 11:29 PM

They should have bombed Pakistan I don't know why they didn't.
Pakistan is a breeding ground of terrorists, everyone knows that.
Pakistan's secret services (ISI), the creators of the Taliban, are the worst hornet's nest of terrorism in the world.

Posted by: rocky at September 21, 2006 11:37 PM

Rocky,
You know it, I know it. The people on the ground know it. But the State Dept. does not. pakistan remains, a MFNNA.

Posted by: arjun.sevak at September 21, 2006 11:58 PM

Threatening to "bomb Pakistan back to the Stone Age"

So in other words, that would be a step forward for their society...

Let's remember infamous words from the Stone Age general:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/09/30/AR2005093001536.html

http://baltimore.indymedia.org/newswire/display/11692/index.php

Oh, but no Stone Age retrospective would be complete without a special surprise visit from The Clintstones:

http://www.dawn.com/2006/09/20/top8.htm

Posted by: sanman at September 22, 2006 12:35 AM

Punjabis are playing a double game. Now that the US government is in trouble, they are blaming the US.

Punjabis are using islam as a tool to wage international jihad against India, Israel and US.

Osama-bin-Laden is hiding in a Punjabi house in Pakistan.

Punjabis on Both Indian and Pakistan Side are colluding to kill innocent balochis, sindhis, kashmiris, pathans.

The problem is not Pakistan or Taliban. Its the punjabis.

Posted by: mystichealer at September 22, 2006 2:14 AM

Robert,

Yes I would also repudiate any "endorsement" of any of the statements on this thread if I was you too.. Never seen such bloodthirsty shiite and nonsense even on this web site.

Kind regards

Payingattention.

Posted by: payingattention at September 22, 2006 5:30 AM

Arjun,

The US takes too long to budge from a position regarding Pakistan that was taken during the Cold War.

Interest have changed and it is time the US aligns itself with India against Pakistan. The delay is going to cost the US dearly.

Posted by: rocky at September 22, 2006 6:12 AM

ON THE ONE HAND, IF WE MAKE ANY MISTAKE, IT COULD CULMINATE IN VERY BAD ENDS," HE SAID. "IF WE MAKE THE RIGHT DECISIONS, IT COULD BE VERY FRUITFUL FOR US.

I quiet like this comment he made shortly after 9/11 which to me proves that America had been wielding the big stick unfortunately, it seems that there was a very big carrot attached

Pakistan unfortunately is one of those countries which is going to explode if a hard hand is not used to control the people. It is a country about the size of Texas with a population more that half of the U.S,A, It is a simple fact that if a Government does not control all forms of organised violence, civil war breaks out, there are several areas where the where the Government writ exists in name only. Baluchistan, Wazistan and the North West provinces to name but three. Musharraf, and the Army unfortunately are the only ones in Pakistan who are able to keep the lid on this fermenting cess pit. The question I am sure the U.S. is pondering, is do we support him in power or topple him and suffer the resulting consequences. If you topple him then Pakistan dissolves into a wasps nest of competing factions killing each other. The result of this might mean that out of this power vacuum might arise a group of mad mullahs with a real atomic bomb, I am sure the Indian Government would love that, or do you prop him up, and hope for the best knowing full well that his real feeling are these as stated in the same interview I got the last comment from

"EVEN IN THE PRESENT CIRCUMSTANCES WE ARE TRYING TO NEGOTIATE WITH THEM," HE SAID. "OUR EFFORT IS SOMEHOW TO COME OUT OF THIS SERIOUS SITUATION SO AFGHANISTAN AND THE TALIBAN DO NOT FACE ANY KIND OF HARM."

A point I would like to make is that I think Pakistan ( the land of the pure ) will fall anyway. For the last few years it has been falling farther and farther behind the rest of the world, last year it fell nearly 14 points in the failed states index and now stands at position 9 just below Afghanistan at 10, give it a couple more years and it will be fighting for first place with Sudan. Another point I would like to make is that the percentage of the worlds GNP of all the muslim lands, excluding oil has been falling in comparison with the rest of the world, couple this with the demographic explosion in most muslim countries and you realise that most of the muslims of the world are sinking not into the realms of poverty, which most of them live in anyway, but into the realm of abject poverty, a far more combustible material. The end of Pakistan is not far off let us hope that it ends with a whimper and not with a bang.

Posted by: Holger Dansker at September 22, 2006 6:27 AM

INDONESIA EXECUTES THREE CRISTIANA

http://uppompeii.blogspot.com/

In the comments section a poster point out that thousands of Christians have been brutally massacred in Indonesia, and few of the murderers have been caught.Those who have, have been sentenced to derisory sentences, and then released before the sentence was completed.

Posted by: DP111 at September 22, 2006 7:11 AM

its a fact that pakistan is the centrepoint of terror as many terrorists have visited there, i wonder why?

Posted by: vernon73 at September 22, 2006 7:44 AM

See now pakis want ICBMs and nuclear subs,
so that US wont threaten..!!!
Excellent, so not just India world is going to
be blackmailed.

"Some will do terrorism if you
dont approve and embrace islam, but forget
attacking us, (they might be in our country,
but i swear, we have no prior knowledge that
they had wired money for attack and planned the
attack from here, and we condemn it), so be
patient and convert to islam. If you push us
too much you will see India and Israel burning
with us going down, also nukes will floating
in all arab oil wells so that u cant sleep a day"

"See, we should be like china and russia, they have thermos and subs, and US wont talk as rude as they did to us, without thinking of total annihilation of their population, SO WE TOO
NEED THERMOS AND SUBS SO THAT US CANT TAKE ON US"

These are the gists of things which I shockingly found while searching for pakis response to this news

Please see the massive pinned thread.

http://pakistanidefenceforum.com/index.php?s=a8a0a60f7d7faa19b49cdc8e11c795f2&showtopic=59321

To keep India at bay and blackmail to prevent attack on terrorist centers in Pak handling kashmir and karachi, pakis aquired nukes.

Now to save islam it transfered them to their islamic rival IRAN and north korea too. Now slowly we will see it spreading to all muslim countries neighbouring israel. Then will the real game start.

Israelis (jews) are not pussy cats like Indians.
They will not tollerate blackmail for more than a major terrorist attack like in India costing 200 plus lives.

INDIAN and ISRAELIS beware : In the above thread
they are discussing of bringing down INDIA and ISRAEL completely if they are attacked by west.

Infact the same scenario is already predicted
in

http://www.waronjihad.org/

Please scroll down and see the highlighted main part.

Note: Pakistani defence forum admins may remove this thread later so I have a saved copy!!
If in need please mail to

tachionic@gmail.com

-tachy

Posted by: tachy at September 22, 2006 8:13 AM

Please see

http://pakistanidefenceforum.com/index.php?s=a8a0a60f7d7faa19b49cdc8e11c795f2&showtopic=59321&st=40

post numbers - 41, 42,

http://pakistanidefenceforum.com/index.php?s=a8a0a60f7d7faa19b49cdc8e11c795f2&showtopic=59321

Post numbers - 9, 26, 28, 29,

Post 33 says as below

"I also just heard this on BBC like 10-15 mins ago, straight from President Musharraf himself.

By the way ##### that stupid inbred mofo Armitage and his p i g mother.

Also the U.S. isn't retarded enough enough to threaten Pakistan with nuclear annihilation, if they did we would give nuclear weapons to all of the world's Muslim countries. That would make those fukn inbred yankee p i gs shut da ##### up."

So what we have predicted is true.
World is yet to see interesting times with minimum, 6-7 Muslim countries having nukes.
And I assure you, they dont need ICBMS for that.

They have JDAMs (Jihadi delivered Atomic Munition).

Lets us wait and watch the game or may be in the
mean while get killed

-tachy

Posted by: tachy at September 22, 2006 8:33 AM

See
http://pakistanidefenceforum.com/index.php?s=a8a0a60f7d7faa19b49cdc8e11c795f2&showtopic=59321

post number 40 which wants:

"Yanks" I assume is the Nick name for
Americans.

Please enjoy the poor dream of paki:

"The center of gravity in this situation would be Israel not India.Pakistan has to nuke them decisevly in case of war with america.With India appeasement is better policy provided kashmir is resolved or low level hostility.
the other scenario is Pakistan is capable of creating a security zone around them like no Yanks with in thousant miles of Pakistan no kittyhawks none is arab world none in afghanistan.
Pakistan will be wiped out in counter strike of USA if things go nuclear but question is how much damage we are able to do that should act as deterrent.Like yanks don,t think of fighting Korea.It is simple predator always go for easy prey.This punch is needed the targets are too many it will not be yanks it will be Anglo saxon whites all of them which has tro be faced in such events.
apart from hypothetical situation Pakistan has nothing against west if they don,t attack us but cirtainly in the reginal contest Pakistan has their own intersts to look to.It has to be prepare for worst but work for better
USA needs some better trained diplomates instead of some stupid street guys"

-tachy

Posted by: tachy at September 22, 2006 8:40 AM

Musharraf is a stooge....if he sides with the ISLAMo-F--kers, we will take him out....if he sides with us, the ISLAMo-F--kers will take him out.....He's basically a dead duck either way you slice it....quite frankly, I think he has not done enough to help in the search for Bin Laden....If I had my drouthers, I would want it to be us to remove Musharraf....because if the ISLAMo-F--kers do, well, remember, the Pakies have the A-bomb.....think about it!.....

Posted by: Oiznop at September 22, 2006 9:27 AM

Interesting article from rediff.com

http://in.rediff.com/news/2006/sep/22pak.htm

Pak puts off F-16 deal

September 22, 2006 18:20 IST
Pakistan has put off signing the letter of acceptance (LOA) for purchase of 36 F-16 fighters from the US after complaints from its air force that the planes were "bereft" of vital electronic warfare systems.
After the complaints, Pakistan's Ministry of Defence asked the US Secretary of Air Force International Affairs, which is the coordinator and supervisor for the project, to extend the signing of LOA until December 31, reports The Friday Times, a Pakistani weekly.

The last extension was sought on July 31 this year.

The deal was apparently deferred partly due to conditions imposed by the US on the operations of F-16s and the "absence" of vital electronic capabilities from these platforms. Musharraf was expected to take up these issues when he meets President George W Bush in Washington today.

"So the signing deal is off. Perhaps President Musharraf will try to extract some concessions during his meeting with Bush. But the entire deal is likely to spark much more debate and change before finalisation," the weekly quoted a Pakistani official as saying.

According to the report, the F-16s were being offered without some Electronic Warfare programme capabilities for their radar warning receiver (RWR). "This means that they will have pre-installed threat library and its RWR will only be able to identify Non-NATO aircraft," it quoted an expert as saying.

"Any NATO aircraft attacking these F-16s using Beyond Visual Range capability could take them out easily simply because these F-16s would not know when they would be locked in sight of the attacking adversary and hence would be unable to take evasive measure," he said.

However, PAF Chief Air Marshal Tanvir Ahmed denied reports that there was any bar on operational deployment of F-16s being purchased at the cost of about five billion dollars from the US.

Ahmed said US authorities have not imposed any conditions on operational capability. "We will be fully empowered to use our platforms whenever we want and however we want," he told The News.

He said the Pakistan Air Force would use the F-16s for all sorts of offensive and defensive sorties carrying conventional weapons. Earlier reports said US has excluded the equipment necessary to carry nuclear weapons from the package being offered to Pakistan.

As for "arrival" of US personnel at the bases where the F-16s are going to be placed, he said it was not something surprising or new. US personnel had also come along when Pakistan bought F-104 Starfighters in 1960 and F-16s in 1983. The same was true of France and China, who sent their personnel to provide PAF technical assistance during early days.

The US does not want to transfer technology to any other country, specially countries with which Pakistan had defence cooperation, he said without directly referring to China.

The Friday Times report said that US was concerned about transfer of technology to China as Beijing is considered to be an expert in reverse engineering. Pakistan and China are currently developing JF-17 Thunder aircraft.

Posted by: apostate_islam at September 22, 2006 9:28 AM

Bush: Come Mr Taliban, make me go bananas

Musharaff: Daylight come and I want to go home

Posted by: bajirao at September 22, 2006 10:18 AM

This is from India...
Yesterday CNN-IBN news channel in India discussed the investigations of the Mumbai Bomb Blasts 7/11.
The accused gave some startling information. They have been trained in a cap in POK. Mohamamd Atta the 9/11 lead hijacker also one in camp It was in 2000. They revealed they have been trained along with Mohamamd Atta funded and facilitated by Al Qeda executed by LeT(operatives in India).
All this suggests is the mumbai bomb blasts were planned then itslef in 2000,Mohamma atta attacked WTC towers, and the US venegance caused fear among the PAKisthan and its proxy terror network, that prevented the strike on Mumbai during that time which ultimately been executed in July this year....

Remember, during the Indian Flight Hijack which has been flown to Kandahar, India has to relase soem 3 terrorists to free the passengers, among the 3 were the one who wired the money to the 9/11 bombers and also he is th one who is being tried from Daniel pearl murder. See how all the connections to the terrorism in India and US.

Posted by: Varma at September 22, 2006 10:38 AM

Frankly, Pakistan is the global epicenter of Islamic terrorism. I'd be really happy if before 2008 Bush sends US troops inside Pakistan, and gets the top Al Qaeda leaders, and their boss Generfal Pervez Musharraf, who is playing the cat and mouse game.

Posted by: Mohammed bin Kafir Abu Jahal at September 22, 2006 12:19 PM

No--we would have wiped it off the face of the earth. And that would have been the correct thing to do.

Posted by: pythagoras at September 22, 2006 1:34 PM

Mr. Holger Dansker,
Completely accurate as regarding the facts, and brilliant on predictions. But I am afraid, Sir, that a nuke will land in India, launched by pakistan.

Posted by: arjun.sevak at September 22, 2006 1:49 PM

Its not Pakistan which is global centre of terror. its only Punjab.

Most terrorists are Punjabis financed by Arabs.

The sindhis, balochis, kashmiris are fighting against Punjabis for survival.

Punjabi-Arab axis of evil will not stop unless US or India wages war against the punjabis.

Posted by: mystichealer at September 22, 2006 2:02 PM

Thanks to Infidel Pride and Arjun for clarifying and stating the facts to mystichealer.

I wholeheartedly repeat after you "Praise be to Beant and Satwant"!

Posted by: Crows&Cows at September 22, 2006 2:16 PM

"President Pervez Musharraf of Pakistan said that after the September 11 attacks the United States threatened to bomb his country if it did not cooperate.."

if you watched the tv movie, route to 9-11, the US government aka Clintinoids in control, warned pakistan of missiles coming for OBL, and you know who got away with thanks from Mushaarraf's people. well now you know why muslims do not like Bush! oh well they will stand in line with Carter,Algore, Clinton,Kerry,Kennedy lol..

Posted by: ZenaWarriorPrincess at September 22, 2006 3:23 PM

what kind of Punjabis are funded by the Saudis? l read that Punjabis can be muslim or Hindu?

Posted by: ZenaWarriorPrincess at September 22, 2006 4:45 PM

Too bad we didn't follow through.

Posted by: Bohemond_1069 at September 22, 2006 8:29 PM

Zena

In India, they are mainly Sikh, but also Hindu. In Pakistan, they are only Muslim.

What Mystichealer says may be true about Punjabi Muslims, but his aspersions on Sikhs/Hindus, as well as his claims about Baluchis being Hindus, are downright false.

Posted by: Infidel Pride at September 22, 2006 11:21 PM