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A few days ago Ibrahim Hooper of the Council on American Islamic Relations was on Tucker Carlson's MSNBC show to discuss Pope Rage, and Carlson did a fairly good job pressing him on some points -- although Hooper was so combative that Carlson twice had to calm him down and reassure him that he agreed with him.
At the end of the segment, however, after he got Hooper to tell the Saudi government that execution for apostasy was wrong, Carlson challenged Hooper on CAIR's receiving money from the Saudi government. Hooper declared: "To my knowledge we don't take money from the government of Saudi Arabia."
Well, I know that Ibrahim Hooper words his statements as carefully as the Pope does, as in the memorable incident when Hooper told Rachel Neuwirth about allegations that CAIR supported Hamas and Hizballah: "CAIR does not support these groups publicly." So I'm not quite sure how to take this new statement. Does he mean that they don't take money from the Saudi government, but from individual Saudis? Or that CAIR may take money from the Saudi government, but if it does, no one is telling Ibrahim?
Your guess is as good as mine, but here is some information about the connections between CAIR and Saudi Wahhabis.
According to Frank Gaffney:
The Saudis have been key financiers of CAIR activities and projects for years. For example, the Weekly Standard reported in June 2003 that the construction of the Council’s Washington, D.C. headquarters was subsidized by a $250,000 grant from the Islamic Development Bank, an international financing organization based in Jeddah and run by a Saudi national, Dr. Ahmad Mohamed Ali.American Libraries gratefully reported in February 2003 that Saudi Prince Alwaleed bin Talal donated $500,000 to a CAIR project that aims to put Wahhabi Islamic reading materials in public libraries across the United States. Given the January 2005 Freedom House report that documented the placement by Saudi Arabia in American mosques of officially published and disseminated materials that are rabidly anti-semitic, anti-Christian and pro-jihadist, we would be foolish to view the CAIR/Saudi library initiative as a gift-horse.
Finally, no less a source than the Saudi Gazette declared in November 2002 that the World Association for Muslim Youth (WAMY) – a government-funded organization responsible for radical, Wahhabi proselytizing and recruitment – gave financial support for a 2002 CAIR weekly advertising campaign in American publications. This gift to CAIR alone was valued at $1.04 million.
And from Daniel Pipes:
A couple of items from the Royal Embassy of Saudi Arabia in Washington concerning its support for the Council on American-Islamic Relations (CAIR) are worth noting and pondering. The first dates from August 15, 1999, and is listed under "IDB Approves New Projects Worldwide":President of the Islamic Development Bank (IDB) Dr. Ahmad Ibn Muhammad Ali announced today that the bank has approved a number of new grants for Muslim minorities in non-Muslim countries worldwide. These include U.S. $395,000 to build a school in Tanzania, $250,000 as a contribution to the purchase of land in Washington DC to be the headquarters for an education and research center under the aegis of the Council for American Islamic Relations, and $30 million for Islamic associations in India.For those not familiar with the Islamic Development Bank, it appears to be an international institution but is in fact an arm of Saudi foreign policy.
Pipes has more info at the link.
Remember, as Warith Deen Muhammad put it: "In Saudi Arabia it's the Wahabi school of thought...and they say, 'We're gonna give you our money, then we want you to...prefer our school of thought.' That's in there whether they say it or not. So there is a problem receiving gifts that seem to have no attachment, no strings attached."
Posted by Robert at September 21, 2006 6:12 PM
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Lying F#CK.
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at September 21, 2006 6:44 PM
Maybe not from the Saudi government, but large "donations" from prince al-Talweed and other contributors in the Saudi royal family which amounts to the same thing, right?
Posted by: Bohemond_1069 at September 21, 2006 6:44 PM
I have a legal question and need a free answer. When a plaintiff (CAIR)decides to drop a lawsuit, can the defendant (anti-CAIR) insist that the suit proceed and actually proceed? A wealth of information could have been mined from CAIR through discovery. If only Anti-CAIR had had the financial resources, we could have known the truth about Ole Hoop.
Posted by: Pelayo at September 21, 2006 6:51 PM
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1689892/posts
Well they get plenty from elsewhere
at September 21, 2006 7:06 PM
The 9/11 Commission gave the U.S. an A+ for stopping terrorist financing though I wonder? I put nothing past our determined, duplicitous Muslim enemy but I am certain that our law enforcement agencies are carefully watching CAIR and their financial transactions(sarcasm).
It isn't so much the militant wing of Islam (ie: terrorists, insurgents etc) that we must be vigilant against but the "moderates" who walk amongst us.
The moderates can employ civil discourse to sway political, social or even some military action if they are well funded and well organized.
I will say this until I am blue in the face: The way to beat Islam is through education, awareness and legislation. Refer one person a day to this site and write your elected officials. Arrange a meeting with an assistant of your elected to discuss Islam. You can bet your bottom dollar that CAIR and others of their ilk are doing just that. They are on an extensive brain washing campaign to carefully feed "joe public" only certain aspects of Islamic theology and, unfortunately, main stream media, is all to complaint.
Posted by: McCain2008 at September 21, 2006 7:11 PM
Why do these cable news networks still interview this rodeo clown?
I guess it's either that or telling us what the phony child murderer ate and drank on his flight to the U.S.
Posted by: amana39 at September 21, 2006 7:15 PM
Whoa, the Hoop looks angry in that photo. Let's piece together where the Hoop is going:
... he got Hooper to tell the Saudi government that execution for apostasy was wrong
Whoever change[s his Islamic religion, then kill him.
--- Mohammed ordering Moslems to kill apostates from Islam
So, by his statement above the Hoop has turned away from the Sunnah, and in so doing has himself apostasized.
A devout Moslem activist out there might just grab a steak knive and saw the Hoop's block head right off his shoulders.
Posted by: Alarmed Pig Farmer at September 21, 2006 7:15 PM
Lie & deny! 'War is deception'- said Mohammed, Hooper is a devoted 'slave of Allah'- Mohammed's invention, and follows the Profits teachings to the best of his ability.
Last year I caught him (Hooper) lying on TV about a Jewess who used to insult Mohammed every day and trow her garbage at him. When one day she failed to do that, Mohammed, according to Hooper, went to see how she was, apparently concerned she might be sick...
This story, for anyone familiar with the scriptures, is as false as the Profit and Hooper himself.
Those who are interested in what really happened should google 'Aswa-bint-Marwan' and will find that Mohammed sent an assassin out to kill the women among her siblings and Mohammed said afterwards: "Not 2 goats will butt heads about her"...
Hooper: Are you reading this? Hooper??????
Posted by: sheik yer'mami at September 21, 2006 7:25 PM
Absolute "double-speak"!!
ICK!!
at September 21, 2006 7:34 PM
What the he!! has happened to my America? First, citgo chavez then a-bomb ackmininnutjob. And now hooper with his cair pooper scooper. Damn whats next?
Posted by: AMartinez at September 21, 2006 7:38 PM
Jussi Halla-Aho*, who is running for parliament in Finland, made an observation that was new to me (freely translated):
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It is claimed that the Real Islam is a religion of peace, and the Overwhelming Majority of muslims are peaceful. If this is the case, why do Western nations always apologize when the "extremists" of the Islamic world get angry over something that we've said or done? If most muslims are as peaceful as we are, then most muslims shouldn't get angry for nothing, and no apologies would be required. Does the West consciously apologize to the radical minority of the wrong Islam, or does it apologise because it's afraid of violence? Isn't the politically correct West labeling the entire Islamic world as extremist by recognizing the extremists as the official representatives of Islam, and apologising to them?
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An excellent point, I think. If all the extremists and terrorists don't represent real Islam, then clearly we have no need to apologise to the muslims who throw a tantrum every time we do or say something, because they aren't real muslims. If we do apologize to them, then we're effectively saying that we recognize them as the true representatives of Islam. I think that's pretty sound logic.
* one of his articles was translated for Gates of Vienna and cited afterwards by Fjordman in a recent writing of his.
Posted by: Jesus Christ Supercop at September 21, 2006 7:41 PM
carlson said:
islam has an honorable history. there have been, i think, throughout most of islam's history, it has lived alongside other great world religions in peace and it's been a force for good in a lot of places thoughout history and that's the tragedy ... emphasis mine
hey tucker: peace = dhimmitude.
no thank you.
Posted by: Jim The Kafir at September 21, 2006 7:53 PM
He said the ***government*** of Saudi Arabia which leaves all the rest of the Saudi people to make donations. Of course the government of Saudi Arabia could be donating money to a charity in another country who donates it to a charity in another country covering up the origin. There are lots of ways Saudi Government money could be delivered to CAIR without their knowledge of the origin of the funds.
Posted by: Abby at September 21, 2006 7:56 PM
"Islamists Masquerading as Moderates to Attain Rise to Power"
Tashbih Sayyed, publisher of reformist weekly,"Muslim World Today," alerts westerners to infiltration of West by Saudi-sponsored Islamist (Islamic supremacists) front-groups (e.g., C.A.I.R and M.P.A.C.) masquerading as moderates to gain popular support in quest to win souls and control over democracies.
CAIR and MPAC's hidden agenda is to intimidate and guilt Americans into passivity towards ultimate submission to Islamist (political & social) control over America, claims Tashbih Sayyed. "They're effectively exploiting our system. They regret 9/11 because it drew unwanted scrutiny to their mission."
Watch & hear video (2 min) for yourself at http://www.DemoCast.TV/
Select bottom menu button (VideoBlog Comments).
at September 21, 2006 7:59 PM
Tuck Carlson is cute and has big hair, the roots of which have apparently sucked his brain pan dry.
Has this opinion-celebrity clown read no history at all?
Posted by: Alarmed Pig Farmer at September 21, 2006 8:10 PM
The link for the Finnish Parliment is:
I didn't find Jussi Halla-Aho listed, so he must be running for election, not re-election.
As an aside, the Finnish Army gave the Ruskkies a new ass in the Winter War. Maybe we should turn the Finns loose on the Mussies...
Posted by: SCV at September 21, 2006 8:30 PM
To my knowledge we don't take money from the government of Saudi Arabia
Wow. Robert has already noted all the Saudis that have been donating to CAIR.
Or does that statement by Hooper mean that he just didn't know, but that somebody else in CAIR is doing the receiving from the Saudi govt? Or does that statement mean that absoulutely zero dollars come from the Saudi govt?
Posted by: yaqub at September 21, 2006 8:50 PM
Yes, SCV, he's running to get elected. Once he is elected, construction on the death camps will begin (well, maybe not).
Posted by: Jesus Christ Supercop at September 21, 2006 9:17 PM
Perhaps he means that CAIR doesn't accept money on offical terms (i.e. from tax dollars). But the government collects money from individuals, and the Saudi Government acts as a delivery mechanism?
On his comment of apostasy. Maybe he means that non-Wahhabi Muslims (who can be considered apostates by religious leaders in Saudi Arabia) should not be executed for belonging to a different Islamic sect?
Posted by: non-redneck at September 21, 2006 9:32 PM
Hey Ibrahim,
Where are you taking your lying road show next ? (so we can watch you for the comedy)
When the West gets serious about the muslim challenge, one looks forward to your removal from the media stage where frankly, your dissembling is an obscenity and your posturing less than admirable.
Posted by: dgene
at September 21, 2006 10:00 PM
Tucker's face at the end of this excahnge says it all. Tucker knows the truth and he is slowly letting it out and he is letting Ibrahim Hooper and Cair hang themselves with the truth. There is a slow evolution of knowledge coming out in the west that is realizing that islam is totally full of BS. Even the left wing media will not be able to ignore it over time. This kind of talk was not even heard of ten years ago. Imagine what might it be like tens years from now. The west will win this war of ideas. We at LGF and JW/DW and other places are only the first to recongnize it...others will soon follow the more islam sticks its foot in its mouth. I predict in 5 years people like Hooper will be scoffed and laughed at as though they had no credibility at all.
Posted by: Tomilio at September 21, 2006 10:15 PM
"To his knowledge"?
"Publicly"?
...can this idiot simply not be arrested? Those are the saddest denials I've ever heard.
Then again, they're demonstrably true as well - CAIR privately supports Hamas, and Islamic Jihad, and Hezbollah, and Iran, and Egypt, and Saudi Arabia and even Tinkerbell if she'd just go out and kill some Jews. And it's been illustrated again and again that CAIR is in the pay of the Saudis. End of story. But making up ridiculous denials is pathetic.
Look - stupidity ruins evil for everyone.
Prophet Geoff
Posted by: Geoff at September 21, 2006 10:31 PM
Robert said
Does he mean that they don't take money from the Saudi government, but from individual Saudis? Or that CAIR may take money from the Saudi government, but if it does, no one is telling Ibrahim?
Maybe he means we (meaning himself and the invisible magic frog in his pocket) don't take the money, there are lower level employees who cash the checks.
Another possibility: They don't take money from the Saudi government; the Saudi government merely deposits the funds into their account. There is no action on CAIR's part, they are completely passive as the funds appear in their account.
Or, the money does not come (directly) from the Saudi government, but is channeled through third parties (UAE? Bahrain? Qatar? Oman? Yemen?).
Or, "to my knowledge...", but phenomenologically, there is little that can be known beyond a doubt, other than the Cartesian "I think therefore I am". He may not know beyond a doubt that the check he sees in his hand and that he is apparently signing actually exists, since the entire world might just be an illusion, an apparition.
Who knows in which twisted way he believes he has fooled the infidels. I am more concerned with the fact that they are allowed to operate within the U.S.
Posted by: special_guest at September 21, 2006 10:43 PM
Tuck Carlson is cute and has big hair, the roots of which have apparently sucked his brain pan dry.Has this opinion-celebrity clown read no history at all?
Posted by: Alarmed Pig Farmer
LMAO.. Funniest thing I read all day.
Now here is what perplexes me, and it is a sad sign of the times.
Posters constantly remark about lefties and liberals kissing muslim butt, under the guise of PC multi cult, but truth is that all, and I mean all, "conservative pundits" and cable show hosts from Tucker and Joe Scarborough (yes they are conservative) to Chris Matthews and Oreilly all refer to Islam as a religion of peace (with great accomplishments). Oreilly even called those "liberal Dems' who opposed Bush's Dubai Ports World give away - Islamophobes.
Yes it is "conservatives", Republicans, who refer to Islam as a religion of peace with a history of great accomplishments like "optics, algebra, and medicine" (the last in a culture in which dissection and autopsy of a corpse is haram), and why do they say this nonsense? Because they are following the lead of their leaders in the conservative movement.. I even heard Pat Buchanan claim that Islam was a great religion with accomplishments and then that it was being distorted by "radicals".. LOL, as if Pat himself were a moderate... LMAO.
Posted by: Nariz at September 21, 2006 11:03 PM
When a plaintiff (CAIR)decides to drop a lawsuit, can the defendant (anti-CAIR) insist that the suit proceed and actually proceed?
No. There's no counterclaim. The suit was dismissed with prejudice. Anti-CAIR has nothing to worry about from CAIR ever again on those issues. CAIR better be more careful when suing in the American system: collateral estoppel or issue preclusion. Anything in that lawsuit alleged to be defamatory is now true, legally speaking.
Posted by: Beagle at September 21, 2006 11:04 PM
Hmm, CAIR doesn't take money from Saudi Arabia.
Sure. And I have some oceanfront property in Kansas I'd like to sell. Perhaps Ibby will take me up on this.
at September 21, 2006 11:18 PM
1. So Beagle is a Legal Beagle....?
2. Maybe Hooper scammed all the money from the Saudi's and spent it buying the largest turnip he could find.
Whats with the bit that he was a rodeo cowboy?
3. ...construction on the death camps will begin (well, maybe not).
well, maybe not RIGHT AWAY...eh? The opposition will probably recycle that old Goldwater commercial with the mushroom cloud.
4. Naseem, what do you want for Christmas?
Posted by: SCV at September 21, 2006 11:22 PM
Hooper is oozing saudi money, in one way or the other, but he knows how to cover it up.
Here in a neighboring Muslim country, when the Wahhabis were not able to send money straight away to their agents after bank accounts were controlled following 9/11, the Saudis keep sending goods.
Their aim is to make their stooges and fifth colunmnists wealthy. And with money in their hands, the Saudis always find a way.
Posted by: rocky at September 21, 2006 11:34 PM
Read so much about hooper on this site itself. Saw him for the first time. It beats me how muslims, irrespective of race, manage to look like thugs, everywhere. Put this hooper on a street in lahore, and he won't be different from the thugs walking the streets.
Posted by: arjun.sevak at September 22, 2006 12:44 AM
will say this until I am blue in the face: The way to beat Islam is through education, awareness and legislation. Posted above
The best way to defeat islam is to silence its mouthpieces---islamic clerics. They are responsible for inculcating hate, intolerance, supremacy, totalitarianism, and the rest of islam's vile doctrine in muslims.
As long as these demonic clerics are permitted to control the brainwashed masses and incite them to violence (jihad) in the name of islam, we will NEVER "beat" islam. We can kill a thousand rabid muslims a day and they will be replaced by a thousand more, clones of the dead ones.
We can't control what they say in other countries, but we can control what say and do here. Incitement to militant jihad, holy war, is insurrection. Insurgent muslims who cannot accept our laws, our Constitution, our culture, have no business living in OUR COUNTRY and should be removed.
Islam is not compatible with democracy; jihad is not compatible with our survival. By granting muslims the right to immigrate to the West and practice islam , we have granted them the right to wage holy war against us because jihad is integral to the practice of islam. How will we deal with this incongruous, antipodal "religion" when the clerics tell the zombies that it's time to break out the scimitars? That probably won't happen in our lifetimes, but it is inevitable as long as islam is considered a religion and muslims exist.
Posted by: Susanp at September 22, 2006 12:57 AM
nariz~ that horse is dead. Stop beating it. Pay attention to the one the Jihadists are riding in on.
Posted by: Gary at September 22, 2006 7:25 AM
We can't control what they say in other countries, but we can control what say and do here. Incitement to militant jihad, holy war, is insurrection. Insurgent muslims who cannot accept our laws, our Constitution, our culture, have no business living in OUR COUNTRY and should be removed.
Right on, Susanp. How hard is this to understand?
Posted by: ISLAMSFORLOSERS at September 22, 2006 9:24 AM
arjun,
same here. First time I see Hooper too. And he looks every bit the thug as you say.
The expression on his face at the moment of the caption reflects the inner "peace" of Islam.
Posted by: rocky at September 22, 2006 9:49 AM
Hooper has got to be such a loser that he felt compelled to be a muslim, you know losers like to hang with their own kind. Wonder what his non muslim family think of the man? he is such a loser he cant even grow a real muslim beard! l would love it if he moved to lahore pakistan, they would hang him for not having enough beard!
Posted by: ZenaWarriorPrincess at September 22, 2006 4:43 PM
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