"The OIC statement said Islamic nations' foreign ministers "believe that it is befitting to the Vatican to retract or redress the said statement, in demonstration of the correct spirit of Christianity in dealing with Islamic issues."

They would know - these experts in Christian love.

Posted by: templar at September 26, 2006 8:03 PM

These guys sure like to beat a dead horse. They also don't like it when the truth is pointed out to them either. Why can't they get over it already? Talk about juvenile behavior!

Posted by: ISLAMSFORLOSERS at September 26, 2006 8:05 PM

Man, these guys really need girlfriends!

Posted by: TheVoiceofTruth at September 26, 2006 8:09 PM

NO

Posted by: Gary at September 26, 2006 8:10 PM

B16 is between a rock and a hard place, here. Of course he's not sorry; he told the truth and he knows it. To retract and apologize would be to tell two lies in one, from the papacy of all places.

* 33:21 ** 33:21 ** 33:21 ** 33:21 ** 33:21 ** 33:21 ** 33:21 ** 33:21 ** 33:21 *

So long as our leaders and ruling elites (esp the media and intellectuals) continue embracing the preposterous positions of "war on terror" and "moderate moslems" and "Islamic extremists" "the Jews stole the land under which Israel sits" and similar doggerel... we're sunk.

It is only because they still do that ridiculous demands such as the one from the OIC can be set forth with a straight face.

Of course violence and Islam are linked; Islam is predicated on violence; violence, and the relentless threat of it, is what Moslems do; always have, always will.

* 33:21 ** 33:21 ** 33:21 ** 33:21 ** 33:21 ** 33:21 ** 33:21 ** 33:21 ** 33:21 *

Publicly read from the Islamic scriptures, with no commentary, Pope, and perhaps our imminent disaster still be averted.

Posted by: Alarmed Pig Farmer at September 26, 2006 8:13 PM

OFF WITH YOU HEAD! Might be the only way the Pope can satisfy Islam.

Remember blasphamy of Islam can get you a death sentence or a long prison sentence in many islamic countries.

It does not matter whether you have spoken the truth or not, criticism is not allowed of Islam and that is why this religion remains back in the tenth century.

Posted by: Mackie at September 26, 2006 8:24 PM

They can kiss his holy ass and go straight to hell.

Posted by: atheling at September 26, 2006 8:26 PM

The most important thing that the Pope can do here is say no. It is imperative that we all begin to and continue to say no to everything the Muslims demand from us.

This is how they dhimminize a population. This is how they do it. They start with the incessant whining and move up to violent death threats and once the people on the other side give in they take another inch, until its turned into a mile. We have to pay attention and we have to say no to them, to everything they say and at every turn, everytime.

We have to do what Nancy Reagan said about drugs:

Just Say No.

Posted by: Isabellathecrusader at September 26, 2006 8:32 PM

The Pope has allready caved, seeking for moe's understanding on what he first stated that was fact. And mo once again began killing inniocent people re that Nun. Where the Pope should have stood firm he also waviers. Even the Pope should know that evil is never appeased!

Posted by: AMartinez at September 26, 2006 8:34 PM

The Pope should apologize. He should apologize for the fact that the Crusades didn't completely wipe Islam off the face of the earth.

Posted by: ISLAMSFORLOSERS at September 26, 2006 8:42 PM

Haranguing the Pope for an apology once again. Unbelievable.

Can't the West send over a cadre of psychiatrists to help Islam as a whole deal with their obvious narcissism issues? The only downside to that plan would be that it probably would be prohibited under the Geneva Conventions...torturous for both the psychiatrists and their Islamic patients.

Perhaps the answer is for Western drug companies to do mass testing of all tranquilizers in the Middle East. That's definitely a win/win proposition.

Posted by: s at September 26, 2006 8:43 PM

NEVER!

Posted by: cathkins at September 26, 2006 8:44 PM

The phrase F**k off, springs to mind.

Posted by: km at September 26, 2006 8:58 PM

I don't think they want an apology -- what they really want is a retraction. Never!

Posted by: champ at September 26, 2006 9:00 PM

How about this? As a show of good faith, all Islamic countries

1) Allow Churches, Synagogues, Temples to be built in all major Islamic cities
2) Stop executing women for being raped
3) Crush everyone who holds to Jihadist theology
4) Stop persecuting religious minorities (Iran, Pakistan, Indonesia, this applies to you)

Then, the Pope could potentially apologize. But he should wait at least ten years to see that they don't break it (10 years is the longest any Muslim treaty can last, correct?)

Posted by: non-redneck at September 26, 2006 9:01 PM

From the article:

The ministers expressed their "profound regrets" over the remarks and said they feared his language "might engender a situation of tension between the Muslim world and the Vatican, to the detriment of the real interests of the two parties."

More intimidation. The Pope is catching the Islamic spiders in their own web. If actions speak louder than words, they are certainly showing where they're coming from.

I am no longer a practicing Catholic but I wonder what they are talking about on Sundays as the Holy Father takes a daring step for his children... or are they still falling asleep in the pews or more concerned about playing BINGO?

Monday he laid upon them the need to treat all religions with respect and they all seemed to agree yet most of us know that this is not in the dogma of Islamic belief to be one religion among others. Thus, sooner or later, actions will speak louder than words and they will be shown for the hypocrites they are.

The thing I want to know...are the Catholics and Christians getting this?

Posted by: Briars at September 26, 2006 9:14 PM

"...apologize for his comments linking Muslims and violence"

Ishaq:130/Tabari VI:101 While the men were discussing him, the apostle came towards them and kissed the [pagan] black stone, then he passed them as he walked round the temple. As he passed, they said some nasty things about him. He went on, and as he passed them the second time, they insulted him again. Then, as he passed the third time, and they did the same. He stopped and said, ‘Will you listen to me, O Quraysh? By Him who holds my life in His hand, I bring you slaughter.’ Tabari VI:102 ‘They were gripped by what he had said. The word he used struck the people so not one could move. It was as though everyone had a bird perched on his head. Even those of them who had been urging the severest measures against him, now spoke in a conciliatory way, using the politest expressions they could muster. They said, “Depart Abu al-Qasim, for by Allah, you were never violent.”

Ishaq:530 "Get out of his way, you infidel unbelievers. Every good thing goes with the Apostle. I believe in his word. We will Fight you about its interpretations as we have fought you about its revelation with strokes that will remove heads and make enemies of friends."

Ishaq:580 “Our strong warriors obey his orders to the letter. By us Allah’s religion is undeniably strong. You would think when our horses gallop with bits in their mouths that the sounds of demons are among them. The day we trod down the unbelievers there was no deviation or turning from the Apostle’s order. During the battle the people heard our exhortations to fight and the smashing of skulls by swords that sent heads flying. We severed necks with a warrior’s blow. Often we have left the slain cut to pieces and a widow crying alas over her mutilated husband. ’Tis Allah, not man we seek to please.”

Tabari IX:42. "We have been dealt a situation from which there is no escape. You have seen what Muhammad has done. Arabs have submitted to him and we do not have the strength to fight. You know that no herd is safe from him. And no one even dares go outside for fear of being terrorized."

Ishaq:489 "Do the bastards think that we are not their equal in fighting? We are men who believe there is no shame in killing. We don't turn from piercing lances. We smite the heads of the haughty with blows that quash the zeal of the unyielding [non-Muslims]. We're heroes, protecting our war banner. We are a noble force, as fierce as wolves. We preserve our honor and protect our property by smashing heads."

Ibn Ishaq:572 "Muhammad is the man, an Apostle of my Lord. Evil was the state of our enemy so they lost the day. Fortunes change and we came upon them like lions from the thickets. The armies of Allah came openly, flying at them in rage, so they could not get away. We destroyed them and forced them to surrender. In the former days there was no battle like this; their blood flowed freely. We slew them and left them in the dust. Those who escaped were choked with terror. A multitude of them were slain. This is Allah's war in which those who do not accept Islam will have no helper. War destroyed the tribe and fate the clan."

Ishaq:315 "It was so criminal, men could hardly imagine it. Muhammad was ennobled because of the bloody fighting. I swear we shall never lack soldiers, nor army leaders. Driving before us infidels until we subdue them with a halter above their noses and a branding iron. We will drive them to the ends of the earth. We will pursue them on horse and on foot. We will never deviate from fighting in our cause. We will bring upon the infidels the fate of the Ad and Jurhum. Any people that disobey Muhammad will pay for it. If you do not surrender to Islam, then you will live to regret it."

Ishaq:576 “Allah and His servant overwhelmed every coward. Allah honored us and made our religion victorious. We were glorified and destroyed them all. Allah humiliated them in the worship of Satan. By what our Apostle recites from the Book and by our swift horses, I liked the punishment the infidels received. Killing them was sweeter than drink. We galloped among them panting for the spoil.

Ishaq:288 “The Quraysh said, ‘Muhammad and his Companions have violated the sacred month, shed blood, seized property, and taken men captive. Muhammad claims that he is following obedience to Allah, yet he is the first to violate the holy month and to kill.’”

Ishaq:327 “Allah said, ‘A prophet must slaughter before collecting captives. A slaughtered enemy is driven from the land. Muhammad, you craved the desires of this world, its goods and the ransom captives would bring. But Allah desires killing them to manifest the religion.’”

8:12: (Shakir). “When your Lord revealed to the angels: I am with you, therefore make firm those who believe. I will cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieve. Therefore strike off their heads and strike off every fingertip of them.”

Historically, the penalties for apostasy have been brutal. Apostate and scholar of Islam, Ibn Warraq, writes: “In general, execution must be by the sword, though there are examples of apostates tortured to death, or strangled, burnt, drowned, impaled or flayed. The caliph Umar used to tie them to a post and had lances thrust into their hearts, and the Sultan Baybars II (1308-09) made torture legal.”

"A wine-lover and lustful debaucher, Khalid took sickly sadistic delight in beheading a defeated chieftain on the battle-field, selecting his wife (if young) or daughter and celebrating his nuptials with her on the spot soaked with the blood of the victim (father/husband of the bride)." [Benjamin Walker, Foundations of Islam, p. 316.]

Sahih Bukhari, Volume 3, Book 34, Number 362:
Narrated Abu Huraira: The Prophet said, "If a slave-girl commits illegal sexual intercourse and it is proved beyond doubt, then her owner should lash her and should not blame her after the legal punishment. And then if she repeats the illegal sexual intercourse he should lash her again and should not blame her after the legal punishment, and if she commits it a third time, then he should sell her even for a hair rope."

Islam spread by the sword:

"The following is the teaching of the Hanafi school of Sunnis on the subject of Jihad, as given in the Hidayah, vol. Ii. P. 140:--..."

"...The sacred injunction concerning war is sufficiently observed when it is carried on by any one party or tribe of Muslims, and it is then no longer of any force with respect to the rest. It is established as a divine ordinance, by the word of God, who said in the Qur’an, ‘Slay the infidels,’ and also by a saying of the Prophet, ‘War is permanently established until the Day of Judgment’ (meaning the ordinance respecting war). The observance, however, in the degree above mentioned, suffices, because war is not a positive injunction, as it is in its nature murderous and destructive, and is enjoined only for the purpose of advancing the true faith or repelling evil from the servants of God..."

"...If the infidels, upon receiving the call [to embrace Islam]*, neither consent to it nor agree to pay capitation tax, it is then incumbent on the Muslims to call upon God for assistance, and to make war upon them, because God is the assistant of those who serve Him, and the destroyer of His enemies, the infidels, and it is necessary to implore His aid upon every occasion; the Prophet, moreover, commands us so to do. And having so done, the Muslims must then with God’s assistance attack the infidels with all manner of warlike engines (as the Prophet did by the people of Ta’if), and must also set fire to their habitations (in the same manner as the Prophet fired Baweera), and must inundate them with water and tear up their plantations and tread down their grain because by these means they will become weakened, and their resolution will fail and their force be broken; these means are, therefore, all sanctified by the law..."
* [Brackets added].

Posted by: Archimedes at September 26, 2006 9:19 PM

...Oh good grief, grow up and get a life Islamic foreign ministers! Leave the pope alone!

Posted by: bigcatgirl13106 at September 26, 2006 9:23 PM

This reminds me of the Italian-American Civil Rights League formed by Joe Columbo in 1970. In case y'all forgot, this is the same man who led the crime family that still bears his name. During a rally in New York he was shot and died several years later without regaining conciousness.

An Italian anti-defamation organization founded by a man whose activity along with others like him caused the defamation in the first place. Islam and organized crime have a lot in common.

Posted by: Pelayo at September 26, 2006 9:26 PM

As my Daddy used to say, " they aren't smart enough to shut their piehole". The muslims are sure not smart enough to keep it shut.

Posted by: freewoman at September 26, 2006 9:28 PM

Good job there, Archimedes. These are key texts.

It's all right there, in black and white, in no uncertain terms, yet almost all Infidels either carefully maintain ignorance of it, or spin it into equivalence with ahistorical arguments.

Posted by: Alarmed Pig Farmer at September 26, 2006 9:33 PM

Purple Haze -

I only wish that it were that simple and that they would "get over it", but I honestly don't think that they're going to back down any time soon.

In fact, I fear for the Popes life because I believe this will continue to escalate and could result in a possible terrorist attack on the Vatican. Lets pray that I'm wrong.

Posted by: champ at September 26, 2006 9:34 PM

"Some day in years to come, there will be a plaque at the University of Regensburg which will read: On this spot, on September 12, 2006, where Pope Benedict XVI delivered a lecture on Faith and Reason, the God of Islam known as Allah, died."
--Jack Wheeler, courtesy The Brussels Journal.

In the meantime, prayers for the safety of all anti-dhimmitude
activists who bear witness everyday everywhere.

Posted by: A. Major at September 26, 2006 9:34 PM

this pope has given the muslim horde enough rope that they are hanging by it already! even if they were "His own words" the muslim reaction is quite tellilng of the truth about islam.. its death, destruction, ding dong they are losing it!

Posted by: ZenaWarriorPrincess at September 26, 2006 9:34 PM

An Italian anti-defamation organization founded by a man whose activity along with others like him caused the defamation in the first place. Islam and organized crime have a lot in common. Posted by: Pelayo

Yes, the legacy of Islam...the mafia (and inquisition).

Sicily was occupied by muslims for 300 years, the legacy. Mafia..derived from Arabic word maehfil meaning union, and Jizyah is protection money (enough of that poll tax nonsense.. who ever defined Jizyah as a poll tax was engaging in taqiyyah).

When the Spaniards raped the new world, they sent back to Spain the obligatory 1/5th Royal Share, which happens to be the same as the muslim khums or 1/5th share of the booty reserved for the pedophile murdering bandit.

Posted by: Nariz at September 26, 2006 9:44 PM

The Islamodiplomats should apologize for their pedophile prophet, who quite clearly linked violence to Islam. Leave the Pope alone, you retrograde hypocrites.

Posted by: Kreuzueber Halbmond at September 26, 2006 9:47 PM

I remember an old saying.

Eat S*it and Die.

God willing, of course.

Posted by: credit man at September 26, 2006 9:51 PM

Allow me the liberty to apologize on the Pope's behalf:

People of dar al Islam, I regret that we were unsuccessful in saving you and your ancestors from Islamic conversion 1000 years ago. I especially apologize to the the Christians of Lebanon who now find themselves among the subjugated minority.

Think that'll be OK?

Posted by: Pelayo at September 26, 2006 9:57 PM

It will be interesting to see whether or not the Pope caves. My money's on Benedict.

Posted by: Cornelius at September 26, 2006 10:01 PM

To say Islam is not violent is like saying the Nazi's were not violent. Their mentality is no different then those gang bangers on the urban streets.

Posted by: bondservant at September 26, 2006 10:03 PM

QUOTE: "The most important thing that the Pope can do here is say no. It is imperative that we all begin to and continue to say no to everything the Muslims demand from us." --Isabellathecrusader

ABSOLUTELY, NO NO NO! And spank them publicly if they continue to misbehave.

Posted by: Battle_of_Tours at September 26, 2006 10:05 PM

Why should the Pope apologize for speaking the truth - he wasn't even trying to piss off the Muslims. Nobody, especially the Pope, should ever apologize to the spawn of Satan.

The truth is the truth, and sometimes the truth hurts. A mature religion would issue a press release and get on with life. These infantile idiots need to grow up.

Posted by: Bad_Attitude_Infidel at September 26, 2006 10:18 PM

POPE-ISLAM: IMAM PALLAVICINI, "TRIALOGUE" WOULD BE EASIER NOW
(AGI) - Milan, Sept 25 - "It was a positive and interesting meeting, and I hope it will be the beginning of lasting and periodic dialogue with Italian Islam to facilitate a 'trialogue' between Christians, Muslims and Jews," said Imam Yahya Pallavicini, a member of the Islamic Council and the man in charge of Milan's Islamic Religious Community, commenting on the meeting with the Pope this morning at Castel Gandolfo. Regarding the mood in the Council, he spoke of "pleasure and satisfaction for the invitation, the wisdom and the words of the Pope." Among the proposals of the Muslims to the Pope was the creation of a working group. "We asked for a working group that should start with reflecting on the centrality of God in life, also in the light of Ratzinger's line which is more focused on deeper intellectual and theological understanding, but which risks appearing harsher, more complicated and might be misunderstood by Eastern people." The Imam also agreed completely on the rejection of violence expressed by the Pope. "Personally," Pallavicini said, "I wanted to show the Ratisbon speech in a better light, in order to open up dialogue between true religious people on the relationship between religion, faith and common responsibility in isolating violence."

re: ". . .in the light of Ratzinger's line which is more focused on deeper intellectual and theological understanding, but which risks appearing harsher, more complicated and might be misunderstood by Eastern people."

And why is that Iman Pallavicini?
Maybe memorizing the Qur'an, a 7th century document, 24/7 doesn't leave much time for young Muslim minds to engage in deeper intellectual pursuits?

Posted by: A. Major at September 26, 2006 10:19 PM

For the Pope to apologize would be appeasement, and to Muslims, appeasement means weakness. One thing I've noticed about them is if you give them an inch, they want a mile. Hopefully the Pope has some kahunas and will not back down from what he said. We need a leader who will publicly stand up to them. May God Bless Pope Benedict!

Posted by: Bonniea at September 26, 2006 10:32 PM

"The OIC statement said Islamic nations' foreign ministers "believe that it is befitting to the Vatican to retract or redress the said statement, in demonstration of the correct spirit of Christianity in dealing with Islamic issues."

THE CORRECT SPIRIT OF CHRISTIANITY TO DEAL WITH YOU muftis IS WITH A SWORD IN ONE HAND AND THE OTHER HAND ON THE BUTTON!

You're really starting to p*ss off a lot of good folks. Thsi list is growing. I see new names on her daily. And I am sure it's that way on other forums as well.

Things are happening in Germany.. see the successfull initiatives to blocking the construction of giant mosks in Munich and in Dortmund.

Posted by: germaninamerica at September 26, 2006 10:33 PM

the correct spirit of Christianity in dealing with Islamic issues

Posted by: Beagle at September 26, 2006 10:38 PM

Okay, let's do PC talk here in a kind of new wave:

"Oh, they should stop asking the Pope for these endless apologies... they're really not being sensitive to his needs... he needs holding... they're crossing his personal boundaries... they should be offering healing instead... if they really understood him, they wouldn't criticize him so much... he probably is lonely... maybe a good therapy massage with aromatic oils would calm his thoughts about Islam... oh he's just a man, he needs sensitivity training... every man needs therapy... he's so into his head... he needs to open his heart shakras... all that praying on his knees must be so bad for his back..."

Anyway, you get the idea. Now reverse it. Islam needs all of these in spades. :)

Posted by: Battle_of_Tours at September 26, 2006 10:40 PM

these moslems and folowers of the pedifle muhamad
want to get the pope to apligize are they nuts islam is a violent cult just look at the killingS and riots and burning of churchs do we see christains roiting and burning mousqs NO but we see muslems doing these things and this is the reLigion of peace NOT

Posted by: islamakapigeaters at September 26, 2006 10:46 PM

Dear Islamic world,

I am so sorry that you people are endless whiners and that we have to live in the same world with all of you.

Signed,
The Pope

Is this sufficient to shut these people up already?

Posted by: ISLAMSFORLOSERS at September 26, 2006 10:48 PM

Just is just pointless now. Time for the Pope to stop apologizing.

Posted by: Monkeywho at September 26, 2006 10:52 PM

I'm diggin' it Battle_of_Tours.
Bravo! Bravo!

Posted by: A. Major at September 26, 2006 10:54 PM

i doubt the pope will cave in to the cult of islam hes a tough old krout

Posted by: islamakapigeaters at September 26, 2006 10:55 PM

He will never cave. So far he's basically apologized for the reaction it caused, but I think he realizes what kind of victory it would signify for the Muslims if he fully apologized. Basically, this is a childish fight, with the Pope understanding the consequences if he can't stare them down. Go Benedict, we love you!

Posted by: TheVoiceofTruth at September 26, 2006 11:03 PM

"The OIC statement said Islamic nations' foreign ministers "believe that it is befitting to the Vatican to retract or redress the said statement, in demonstration of the correct spirit of Christianity in dealing with Islamic issues."

THE CORRECT SPIRIT OF CHRISTIANITY TO DEAL WITH YOU muftis IS WITH A SWORD IN ONE HAND AND THE OTHER HAND ON THE BUTTON!

You're really starting to p*ss off a lot of good folks. Thsi list is growing. I see new names on her daily. And I am sure it's that way on other forums as well.

Things are happening in Germany.. see the successful initiatives to blocking the construction of giant mosks in Munich and in Dortmund.

Posted by: germaninamerica at September 26, 2006 11:04 PM

The Pope has no reason to back down. He needs to stand on his words, rather than let these idiots add or detract what he said.

And, it might be a good idea to "promote" these "non-violent" dimwits. We did it once in our newspaper to a cult group of Christian Identity preachers trying to give classes on their racist interpretation of the bible.
When a fascist insists he isn't violent, hell, promote that point, with eye catching ads, showing their peace loving images....
And as far as their Sharia law? promote sharia: Place an ad promoting the recent beheadings, with full positive pull quotes with the executioner's words as he swung the sword; and don't forget to also use other adverstising tools like Wheaties boxes showing say, Nassrallah, as a leading sports figure. Ads on coffee mugs, condom packages with Hizballah flags, and little pics of titilating rape scenes or sexually mutilated little girls....
Show the world exactly the opposite of the picture they are trying to promote of themselves with a pseudo positive spin on it.

Infomercials are another tool to promote them. Show how their non violent actions and words have caused so much more peace and prosperity in the world, how they help their brothers.... and sisters... Show one of the higher ups like OBL's son beating his wife for her own good and have her saying, 'hit me more..." other examples to expose the totally absurd and ridiculous.

We used a lot of things like swastikas and other types of symbols to "promote" the KKK type religion trying to "embrace" our youth here and it worked, and worked very quickly.

One of them was a piano teacher who suddenly had NO students... the rest got caught up in tax evasion. We didn't stop them, but we sure weakened them with their "free classes" by promoting them on a weakness they couldn't afford to defend: their very foundation in fascism.

Let the Pope continue to speak his mind, unafraid of threats, because one thing the Islamobastards don't want to do is create a martyr out of a Pope. If they did that, all bets are off.

Posted by: soarsa at September 26, 2006 11:07 PM

They are asking for another apology from our Pope just for a quote he made? There are many people around the globe waiting for apologies for atrocities committed against humanity in the name of allah. Of course that will never happen.

Posted by: pigtails not veils at September 26, 2006 11:09 PM

The Koran invites Muslims to wage war against Christians and Jews and to pray that Allah will fight against them (9:30)

Christians and Jews are labelled "infidels" and "hypocrites" who live in Hell (66:9).

Those who claim Jesus is the Son of God are called "liars" (4:171, 10:66-69), and will have "boiling water poured over the heads, melting whatever is in their bellies and skins" (22:20).

It is the Muslims who should be apologizing to Christians and Jews for the actions and "spiritual" writings of their hateful founder, Muhammad.

Long live Pope Benedict XVI!

Posted by: Johnathan at September 26, 2006 11:57 PM

frm Briars:

"I am no longer a practicing Catholic but I wonder what they are talking about on Sundays as the Holy Father takes a daring step for his children... or are they still falling asleep in the pews or more concerned about playing BINGO?"

So far nothing in my parish. But we have a liberal priest so he likes to spout liberation theology. He's a Jesuit. SJ as in Society of Judas.

I haven't heard much from the bishops either. One or two lone voices and that's it. Craven.

Posted by: atheling at September 27, 2006 12:08 AM

"I'm diggin' it Battle_of_Tours." --A. Major

"... and he's burning the wrong kind of candles..." :)

Posted by: Battle_of_Tours at September 27, 2006 1:12 AM

UNITED NATIONS (Reuters) - An organization of 56 Islamic nations pressed Pope Benedict on Tuesday to apologize...

56 (!) Islamic nations! My god. Is there really that many Islamic nations in the world? I had no idea the virus was so widespread.

Does that include the new Islamic Republic of Eurabia?

If the Pope caves, it's clearly another nail in the coffin of civilization.

Posted by: Xero G at September 27, 2006 1:15 AM

Dear
Afghanistan • Albania • Algeria • Azerbaijan • Bahrain • Bangladesh • Benin • Burkina Faso • Brunei • Cameroon • Chad • Comoros • Côte d'Ivoire • Djibouti • Egypt • Gabon • Gambia • Guinea • Guinea-Bissau • Guyana • Indonesia • Iran • Iraq • Jordan • Kuwait • Kazakhstan • Kyrgyzstan • Lebanon • Libya • Maldives • Malaysia • Mali • Mauritania • Morocco • Mozambique • Niger • Nigeria • Oman • Pakistan • Qatar • Saudi Arabia • Senegal • Sierra Leone • Somalia • Sudan • Surinam • Syria • Tajikistan • Turkey • Tunisia • Togo • Turkmenistan • Uganda • Uzbekistan • United Arab Emirates • Yemen,

Go pound sand.

Sincerely,
Pope Benedict XVI

Posted by: Xero G at September 27, 2006 1:24 AM

The Pope 'respects' them as humans.
The more Islam keeps up with this, the more people will start thinking.

Long Live The Pope!

Posted by: Suz at September 27, 2006 1:41 AM

The proper way to deal with these 'envoys' would have been to have the Swiss guards arrest them, bind them and then nail their turbans to their heads, before hanging them from the walls of castel Gandolfo...

Posted by: sheik yer'mami at September 27, 2006 2:05 AM

Why should the Pope protect Islam?

Two questions spring to mind:

How many of those islamic foreign ministers allow churches to be built in their countries?

How many of those countries protect their Christians sufficiently (that is in a way that they don't have to live in fear)?

The pope should tell those meddlers to F**K themselves!

Posted by: rocky at September 27, 2006 3:21 AM

Islam clearly shows no respect towards other religions. Buddhas were destroyed in Afghanistan, churches destroyed in all muslim countries, hindu temples desecrated in Pakistan, etc.

WHY THEN SHOULD OTHER RELIGIONS SHOW ANY RESPECT TOWARDS ISLAM?

Those islamic ministers are IDIOTS.

Posted by: rocky at September 27, 2006 6:09 AM

Assalmau-Laikum all,

Now you good peoples know that we were not party to what the pope was about to say in his lecture. The bottom line now is that we ALL now have a mess and it needs to be sorted.

Can you not wear Islamic shoes for a moment & consider what it means for us? These governments have a hard time to govern their respective Islamic countries.

They have to maintain checks and balances and many protocols to keep the countries running peacefully, e.g. maintain a dignified silence about any Jizah received from Kafur sources etc. etc. There are many pressures and this sort of interference... yes definitely interference is not popular as the yesterdays of the last few weeks have shown.

Not only should the pope apologise I think he needs to/should go further. Much like the sensible steps that the British Police authorities have taken in sharing information with a muslim panel prior to raiding muslim homes , again all speeches to be made by the pope must be shared and scrutinised by a muslim panel before making them.

This sensible step will promote peace and understanding.

It will also ensure that this kind of misunderstanding cannot happen in the future …and therefore is not a headache for you, the Pope (and future popes ..if they are to remain) and for us muslims.

Most importantly, with this structure if a misunderstanding does happen then it will be the muslim panel that will be vilified and not your pope ….problem solved…please implement ASAP.

Posted by: Naseem at September 27, 2006 6:27 AM

I beleieve that the British police have seen the movie "The Godfather" They understand the line "to hold your enemies closer".

Since they already suspect muslims by working with them every day, they will have more chances to catch them at their misdeeds. This will have a much colder effect than what it seems on the surface. It will promote peace as well as keep the Muslims under very watchful eyes. In turn the Muslims will screw it up because the react emmotionally like 10 yr olds.

They will review each and every wife beating and child molestation case and eventually change ISLAM as we know it. They have already done so in history.

God willing, of course.

Posted by: credit man at September 27, 2006 9:29 AM

A Malaysian newspaper mentioned that Malaysians accepted the Pope's Apology. This was a few days back.

I was wondering since when did the Pope apologize?

Now, Why should he apologize?

He spoke the truth & he cited the origin. Even many others were able to conform what he read was true.

Historically, the Muslims invaded Turkey & Europe for the sake of spreading Islam. Did they do it peacefully, NO, they spread Islam by the sword.

Naseem dear, get your facts straight before asking someone respected to apologize. We are not living in the dinasours ages any more. If you could read & write, practice that liberty without the influence of Islam.

The goverment's duty is to control its country & protect its sovernity. If a Ismalic goverment invades a country, it has rights of nothing & Must apologize.

Remember, it was the muslims that caused all this mess. Why cant you behave like Japan & move forward.

It is simply insulting that you used a religion to devide the peaceful indians into Hindus & muslims & have them kill one another.

Of course, Allah commanded you to do so. I simply could cry for your forefather's sin to convert willingly or by the sword.

Think, this religion invention & doctorine of Quran & Al-Hadis are changed & doctored after your prophet died. And for all the Public Readings, Many people objected to the verses, Is it really authentic Naseem? I leave it to your ability to read & write to answer.

Mohammad had to do whatever he had to do to survive, Fine. But Muslims & no muslims only need to work & pay their bills to survive. Why engage is this meaningless apology request?

My logic derives from the Vedas, & a simple translation is: A Hole is a Hole, Whatever comes out from a hole is also a hole.

Why let the Arabs Control your mind, They just make you fight & die for them.

Posted by: tjwork at September 27, 2006 9:54 AM

Hey Naseem, do you want to promote peace and understanding? Why not start with condemning the merciless killing, violence, threats and destruction being carried out by incensed idiots in the name of your religion? In your twisted Islamic mindset, the Pope telling the truth is worse than the relentless killing by mad Islamics in the name of Muhammed(Pork Bacon Und Ham -PBUH).

The Pope has nothing to apologize for. You as a religion need to admit that you're in the wrong. Big time. Your religion is imperfect, flawed, based on lies and sustained on threats and violence. It needs to be reformed or destroyed.

Remember this : WE are willing to allow you to live in peace with us in our lands. YOU however are not willing to allow a divergent thought within your lands without swift and brutal punishment, usually fatal. Peace and understanding? Get real! Do you think you have anything of value to teach to us?

Posted by: Muzzl'em at September 27, 2006 10:48 AM

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Can you not wear Islamic shoes for a moment & consider what it means for us? These governments have a hard time to govern their respective Islamic countries. "

naseem

a great man once described the german nazis as "either at your feet or your throat!!" and it seems that the muslim umma is , like all bullies , made of the same stuff.
If they are not threatening us they are begging us. Well the Holy father has obviously decided that the time has come for the muslim umma to take some strong medicine. This medicine is not very well known in Islamic lands but for us westerners, way ahead in the evolutionary scale, it is like an old friend. What is this medicine ? it is the medicine of TRUTH - LOGIC -REASON - and its about time we started to shove it down your collective throats.
Of course like all spoild children you will whine and cry that you dont like it - that it tastes bad but listen to us ITS GOOD FOR YOU.
In fact it maybe even save you.
By the way the great man who made the above comment - WHINSTON CHURCHIL.

regards

Posted by: johnmac at September 27, 2006 11:11 AM

Naseem wrote :
"...again all speeches to be made by the pope must be shared and scrutinised by a muslim panel before making them."

I Reply :
Naseem, why don't you Moslems do it first by condemn your Imam hate speeches to infidel in every Friday prayer. I tell you Naseem, every Friday I'm getting bored and sic to hear hate speeches from Mosque loudspeaker near my home. And I wonder why not even one I hear word from Moslems in here to condemn their Imam hate speeches, until I realize that they don't condemn it because they know every Imam speech is based on Islamic Holy Quran.

Even I am not a Catholic, but I'm proud and support Pope speech the true about Islam.

I tell you Naseem, this is just the beginning. You will see more "shock" speeches from infidel world. Your Islam will start to collapse by these speeches.

Posted by: Mohammed_Pedophiles_Club at September 27, 2006 1:21 PM

Naseem wrote :
"...again all speeches to be made by the pope must be shared and scrutinised (sic) by a muslim panel before making them."

Since Islam is a superior way of life and morals, I think it only natural that the following also happen ASAP:

Pres. Bush outraged Muslims by saying, "Islamic Fascist" so all his speeches must be scrutinized by a Muslim panel before making them.

Pictures of Muhammad outraged Muslims so all editorial cartoons, artwork, illustrations, advertisements, newspapers, magazines, etc. must be scrutinized by a Muslim panel before making them.

Robert Spencer's books and commentary are objectionable to Muslims so all Robert's writings should be scrutinized by a Muslim panel before making them.

Naseem, would this be acceptible to you and your fellow supremists?

Posted by: Xero G at September 27, 2006 1:51 PM

Naseem-

So when an Islamic leader makes a speech, can it please be sent to the Vatican for checking first?

All we need here is a bit of balance, and above all a bit of bloody common sense

And by the way I am British and I deplore the short sighted opinions of my countrymen, especially that evil stalinist corporation al-beeb (the BBC). There are some in this country who have an ounce of sense left...

Posted by: DeRaquis at September 27, 2006 4:24 PM

Naseem aka Miss PIGGY:

You really are a BOAR.

PIGslam is on its way out.

Everything you utter is HOGwash.

Mohammad was a sHAM.

Posted by: atheling at September 27, 2006 6:08 PM

Naseem -

I'm sorry, but that is such a lame idea -- monitor the Pope -- Lord have mercy!!

And what really scares me is that I KNOW you were not the originator of this BRILLIANT plan. You probably read about it on the front page of your Pakistani newspaper and you've decided to share this gem with us.

I'm going to get a little more pointed with you, Naseem, and I really need for you to pay close attention to what I'm about to say: You are two-faced, and you have a double-standard!

You are too afraid to express your views within your own country for fear of being killed; and yet you exercise your right of "Freedom of Speech" here on Jihad Watch by airing your views -- but you want to restrict the Pope and take away his same right?!?

That's known as a DOUBLE STANDARD, Naseem, and now you're the one who should apologize. Jeez!

Posted by: champ at September 28, 2006 12:06 AM

Oh -- and another thing, Naseem -- Jihad Watch is a US developed format. And it's because of the freedoms that we have here in America that a website like this exists in the first place -- something you know nothing about. If it weren't for these freedoms you would NOT be able to come on JW and 'freely' express your views. I hope you think about that the next time you stick your nose in the air and wave the restrictive banner of Islam around 'cause Islam sucks!

Posted by: champ at September 28, 2006 12:13 AM

I am not a Catholic, but I support what the Pope did -- he told the truth -- and he should never apologize for that. Never!

In my opinion he's a very courageour man, and anyone suggesting he be silenced or "monitored" is a COWARD.

Islam produces hate/fear -- Islam produces dysfunctional followers -- Islam produces denial and the squelching of the Truth.

Posted by: champ at September 28, 2006 12:59 AM

In that same OIC meeting, was there by chance any approval for a collective statement urging Osama bin Ladin to apologize for his comments/actions linking Muslims and violence? Just wondering....

Posted by: yadayada at September 28, 2006 3:43 AM

champ,

don't worry about naseem. belonging to a non-country like Pakistan is not easy.

Pakistanis are just Indians who don't want to be Indians.
They have rejected their own culture and want to be like Arabs, but can never be Arabs as well, because Arabs don't want them.

Can there be a more miserable existence?

Let Naseem rant.

Posted by: rocky at September 28, 2006 9:03 AM

Thanks Rocky. Sometimes Naseem gets my goat because she talks about Islam like it's this GREAT religion and she continues to promote it on a US based website, and yet she fears for her life BECAUSE of it within her own country.

And it's because of our freedoms here in America that she's able to come on JW and freely express the views that Islam would kill her over; and by promoting Islam on JW she wants to take those freedoms away from us -- including herself?!

If Islam were to dominate this country -- which it won't -- but if it did, then she can kiss her precious freedoms and username good-bye. I'm just repeating myself. Sigh.

Posted by: champ at September 28, 2006 11:11 AM

If the pope apologises to muslims, that would be like God bowing down to the devil!!!

There is only one truth, and being what it is, it needs absolutely NO excuses, apologies, or euphemisms to be told!!!

Posted by: Mohammed-Sux at September 28, 2006 3:31 PM