Tosser's like Abu Saqer really do want war don't they?

He does realise doesn't he, that Gaza could be wiped out in little more than a couple of days?.....conventionally that is.

Posted by: Turbinehead at September 27, 2006 6:56 AM

That he is saying "all religions agree to convert to Islam." means that he believes that the al-Mahdi has already arrived as they state that the jiyza is withdrawn and the only choice is conversion or death. Interesting!

Posted by: Daffersd at September 27, 2006 6:59 AM

Unbelievable!

On a lighter note, I saw this link (see below) the other day. I'm not sure if it's just my imagination or is this a subtle hint of the feelings of the general UK population from someone at the BBC regarding recent issues?

http://search.bbc.co.uk/cgi-bin/search/results.pl?scope=all&edition=d&q=mr+benn&go.x=26&go.y=16

Many on here won't have heard of Mr Benn as it was an English TV programme in the early 1970s.
Click on the link on the right hand side of the page to see this movie. There are references to 'knights in shining armour' however the costume Mr Benn magically changes into is that of a Hospitallier in 'war' dress

"In 1259 AD, Pope Alexander IV fixed the habit as a black mantle in peace time, and a red surcoat with white cross in war"

May be purely my imagination, but it has made myself, and many other Brits who have watched this roar with laughter. Especially as there are constant references to 'preserving things for the future' all the way through the video.

If for some reason the link doesn't work, go to the BBCNEWS front page and type Mr Benn in the search bar. DO this before some PC lefty at the BBC latches onto their 'faux pas'and changes it.

Posted by: D'Albini at September 27, 2006 7:15 AM

D'Albini,

The link works fine; unfortunately, the content is available to UK customers only. Maybe you could try to post it on You Tube or another similar site? Would love to see it.

Posted by: IrishEi at September 27, 2006 7:34 AM

Crusader conspiracy? What's so hard to understand that the majority of the world wants to be left alone and not be "saved" by their cult? No "living and let live" with this bunch-as always, it's about them wanting to dominate the world.

Posted by: ISLAMSFORLOSERS at September 27, 2006 7:44 AM

So much for the belief that if we just give the Palestinians land, we will have peace. The holy war isn't going to end any time soon for these people.

Posted by: lakeside at September 27, 2006 7:49 AM

The article reads total desperation. They all say the same words in a different order interspersed with the usual predictable slogans. The Islamofascists can't even be original, since when did a rather nasty "religion" become a race? What race are Mohammedans? It shows the ignorance of the so called "Sheik" Abu Saqer, he comes across as a rather horrific little individual.

Posted by: IceDragon at September 27, 2006 7:53 AM

That great line in Sixteen tons that if the singer's right fist wont get you then the left one will.

We have on one hand, these pukes of islam who are totally supremicist, look down on us with total hate and disgust, and will kill us in an instant - at the local mosque , convenience store, or local park - and the fool multiculturists of the left, the Dems mostly ("it's their religion so it is allowed") played like the dupes they are by CAIR and Ibrahim or that bald faced liar Willie 'I had a plan' Clitman and his wife - all the enemies of our values, and unfortunately our freedom and survival as well.

Damn them. Let's take the battle to them, in their faces, in their mosques, in the media, in the street.

Posted by: dgene at September 27, 2006 8:12 AM

why do we keep referring to tin-pot regions like Gazza for the sermons of Islamo-Fascists? Starve them of the oxygen of publicity.
But, I would suggest (again) that the thoughts held by posters on this site are not held by the general public. Rather than constantly go on about how abhorrent Islam is (I for one definitely know this now)...how about people talking about how we are going to bring the mainstream public closer to our views, and what actions we're going to take to promote an anti-radical Islam agenda.

Posted by: protectalbion at September 27, 2006 8:39 AM

The Gaza imam said the only Christian-Muslim dialogue that is acceptable is one in which "all religions agree to convert to Islam."

Jesus. Does this guys knuckles drag when he walks? Someone should make some "This is your brain on Islam" public service announcements featuring quotes from this sub-primate.

Posted by: Abu Allah at September 27, 2006 8:53 AM

If the world turns islam, our men will be in dresses and we women will be in pants under a tent. And we'll become stupid. We knew all along that was what the mohammadons wanted. If you wait a little bit, the truth always comes out.

Posted by: freewoman at September 27, 2006 8:53 AM

I still don't see how converting to Islam makes it great. If I say "I am a Muslim" yet still believe that it's all nonsense how does that strengthen Islam? Makes me wonder about all those claims about how much growth this "religion" really has. I guess it must be fine to not be a true believer then. Long live hypocrisy!

Posted by: ISLAMSFORLOSERS at September 27, 2006 9:00 AM

convert to islam, get your 666 tattoo. Yeah right!
allah and mohammad equal the anti-Christ. It's time to realize this and get into the good fight. I for one will NEVER surrender to muslim cultists.

Posted by: CelticCoyote at September 27, 2006 9:03 AM

Sheik Abu Saqer is to be commended for his candor. More of his honesty and less of his peers' taquiya could go a long way in waking the West from its Leftoxicated stupor.

Posted by: ZionistYoungster at September 27, 2006 9:04 AM

The Gaza imam said the only Christian-Muslim dialogue that is acceptable is one in which "all religions agree to convert to Islam."

I am coming to the dismal conclusion that eventually -- this will indeed happen.

Rather than constantly go on about how abhorrent Islam is (I for one definitely know this now)...

Well, it is only constantly "going on" in only a few places, JW being one of those scant few locations. It must "go on" someplace -- so why not here?

...how about people talking about how we are going to bring the mainstream public closer to our views, and what actions we're going to take to promote an anti-radical Islam agenda.

The solution is simply a matter of cash. You merely buy out places like Time/Warner, Turner Broadcasting, Walt Disney, and PBS.

Next, with a healthy dose of campaign funding to all parties the run in the next election, you manage to buy your way into a position where you can prevail upon the FCC that various kinds of rulings "in the public interest" be made.

Also, you must have all your politicians in YOUR "hip-pocket-national bank." Campaign limits? No problem!

With very little imagination or creativity these so-called "limits" are easily skirted. They are only there as blinders for the suckers who go to the polls and really don't have the resources to do anything else.

Next, you will need various activist judges favorable to your point of view so that you can go through the back door and arrange through various low level clerks, to have all your future court actions routed to these particular judges.

Next, you need to position yourself in such a way that you are doing the law enforcement "sensitivity" training rather than CAIR.

You might also consider using "imminent domain" as a vehicle to close down various "religious centers" so that the "public interest" can be severed with a new parking facility.

What you propose is altogether reasonable and do-able.

The question to be answered then is simply:
"How much are you willing and more impoortantly able to spend?"

It's not corruption; its politics and money is the mother's milk of politics.

Always has been, always will be.

Good luck!

Posted by: witness at September 27, 2006 9:09 AM

Abu Allah,

You have me ROTFL with this one:

'Jesus. Does this guys knuckles drag when he walks? Someone should make some "This is your brain on Islam" public service announcements featuring quotes from this sub-primate.'

Why don't you take it over to littlegreenfootball.com? I'll bet you'd get a lot of Photoshop-pro responders, whose work we could then print up and leave around on subway & bus seats, etc.

Posted by: Vee at September 27, 2006 9:31 AM

Actually I thought it was rather funny and very true, it must be as it got your goat, LOL.

Posted by: Daffersd at September 27, 2006 9:36 AM

witness: I get your point about how to influence the American political machine, and don't dispute your list is the way to gain influence. However, the Jihadists are able to exploit new media without needing the American Publishing corporations. My argument is, that if we have the right information available on the right format (podcast's available to the press and public when we counter-demonstrate against the radicals), if we push 'koranic truths' that illustrate it is the Koran that incites violence, in the same way that Christians have promoted verses from John (at sporting events etc).
With the advent of uploading (myspace, youTube etc)it is possible to promote our cause to the right constituency (i.e. youth / voting public).
I hope we are all agreed that we want to build an anti-Jihadist consensus in the US, and first, we must provide information. The voters will push for a more radical agenda from their politicians themselves.

Posted by: protectalbion at September 27, 2006 9:52 AM

"how about people talking about how we are going to bring the mainstream public closer to our views"

Protectalbion, one way to get discussion started locally is by wearing tshirts with provocative slogans. My particular favorite is "Islam is a religion of peace, and we'll kill you to prove it!" along with a picture of the Jihadis in London with placards saying "slay those who insult Islam". That's gotten a LOT of responses...some negative, of course, but at least information was passed on.

Also, if you are involved in a church or other group (eg. a book club), group study and speaking events are a good place to give a synopsis of Islamic history and get people's attention. I had my book club read "The Legacy of Jihad", and a very eye opening experience it was for most of them.

Or, doing Protestwarrior type events with signs that are both funny and that make a very strong point. Humor is a great weapon!

Posted by: treehugger at September 27, 2006 10:18 AM

Framing the debate.‎

‎ Allah’s Apostle said, ‘I have been ordered to fight the people till they say: “None has ‎the right to be worshipped but Allah.” Whoever says this will save his property and ‎his life from me.’”‎
http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/fundamentals/hadithsunnah/bukhari/084.sbt.html

Referring to Prophet Muhammad (peace and blessings be upon him) Allah, Most High, ‎says, [And you (stand) on an exalted standard of character] (Al-Qalam 68:4) ‎http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/quran/068.qmt.html
‎; [Ye have indeed in the Messenger of Allah a beautiful pattern (of conduct) for any one ‎whose hope is in Allah and the Final Day, and who engages much in the praise of Allah] ‎‎(Al-Ahzab 33:21).‎
http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/quran/033.qmt.html

http://www.islamonline.net/english/IN_DEPTH/mohamed/1424/MANNERS/article14.shtml

I hear with depressing regularity western intellectuals saying we need the muslims to ‎stand up to the extremists and prove their loyalty to this and that .‎
Glenn Beck sees this
‎ "The pope is the spiritual and religious wing of the Crusader ideology," Abu Saqer said. ‎‎"He is totally coordinated with Bush. Through this dialogue he hopes to break the lines of ‎unity between Muslims and polarize the Muslim world, which has some partisans who ‎will accept this new dialogue. But true believers know Islam must rule all relations. The ‎only dialogue we will accept is when all other religions agree to convert to Islam."...‎
http://www.jihadwatch.org/archives/013320.php#comments ‎

Then he gets indigent & turns around and says you are a hatemonger or what ever if ‎you say Islam is evil.‎
As if this sheik is inventing ideas that aren’t part and parcel of Islam, then Glenn wants to ‎know why we are backing up against the wall.‎
His proof Islam isn’t evil the Old testament is violent and some muslims are not ‎currently killing people because their job is to keep the immigration jihad open by acting ‎like “good Muslims”‎
So what good does it do to make moral equivalency arguments basing what the bible says ‎about Jews for Jews about Jews and no other tribe, and what Islam says about all other ‎religions and why they must die.‎

Posted by: KAOSKTRL at September 27, 2006 10:20 AM

"In the seventh century of the Christian era, a wandering Arab of the lineage of Hagar [i.e., Muhammad], the Egyptian, combining the powers of transcendent genius, with the preternatural energy of a fanatic, and the fraudulent spirit of an impostor, proclaimed himself as a messenger from Heaven, and spread desolation and delusion over an extensive portion of the earth. Adopting from the sublime conception of the Mosaic law, the doctrine of one omnipotent God; he connected indissolubly with it, the audacious falsehood, that he was himself his prophet and apostle. Adopting from the new Revelation of Jesus, the faith and hope of immortal life, and of future retribution, he humbled it to the dust by adapting all the rewards and sanctions of his religion to the gratification of the sexual passion. He poisoned the sources of human felicity at the fountain, by degrading the condition of the female sex, and the allowance of polygamy; and he declared undistinguishing and exterminating war, as a part of his religion, against all the rest of mankind. THE ESSENCE OF HIS DOCTRINE WAS VIOLENCE AND LUST: TO EXALT THE BRUTAL OVER THE SPIRITUAL PART OF HUMAN NATURE (Foehammer's note: Adam's capital letters as originally printed)....Between these two religions, thus contrasted in their characters, a war of twelve hundred years has already raged. The war is yet flagrant...While the merciless and dissolute dogmas of the false prophet shall furnish motives to human action, there can never be peace upon earth, and good will towards men."

-John Quincy Adams

Posted by: Foehammer at September 27, 2006 10:36 AM

Vee, thanks. I have been thinking about doing that myself for a while. I just havn't had the time. If/when I do, I'll be sure to post them and give you a link.

Posted by: Abu Allah at September 27, 2006 10:59 AM

IrishEi:

I'm outside the UK as well and I just viewed the video by going to bhe BBC homepage and doing a search there for it. This method should work for you.

Posted by: templar at September 27, 2006 11:06 AM

Foehammer:

Great reference and of course well spoken!

I am not as eloquent-unfortunately. People like this have to be buried in history.. preferably with pigs' guts. ie., Termination with prejudice

Posted by: lonewolf at September 27, 2006 11:34 AM

Foehammer...thanks for that.

Whatcha gunna do when hypocrisy runs wild over you???

Islam is rampant with blatant hypocrits. Does submission to Allah require an 'oath of hypocrisy'?
Or does hypocrisy just come naturally to Islamic clerics?
When he says this..." it is our holy duty to fight all those who support the pope, who follow him and who did not condemn what this small racist had to say," said Abu Saqer.
What he really means is that Islam cannot survive the revelations of TRUTH by any means except violent jihad. When he says 'fight', he really means 'attack'. And not by intellectual religiocity, but by the sword. Islam needs jihad because it cant defend itself by means of spiritual revelations. Prez Adams above got it right about Mohammad and the founding of Islam.
But thats why jihad is necessary...jihad includes deciet and hypocrisy. They need it, they have to have it, it is one of the pillars of Islam according to Imam Bukhari. Bukhari was right... The way to get rid of this is to expose Mohammad as Adams/others have done, expose Islam for the mind crippling disease it really is, and in the process kill Allah...he never made a very good substitute for YHVH anyway...

Posted by: duh_swami at September 27, 2006 11:34 AM

ZionistYoungster said

Sheik Abu Saqer is to be commended for his candor.

The jihadists are often refreshingly open and honest about their intentions and the source of their motivation. The mental gymnastics we go through to avoid acknowledging what they have bluntly told us is also impressive.

Posted by: special_guest at September 27, 2006 11:41 AM

It shows the ignorance of the so called "Sheik" Abu Saqer, he comes across as a rather horrific little individual.

Posted by: IceDragon at September 27, 2006 07:53 AM

Ignorance is the hallmark of sheiks, imams, mullahs, etc. No formal education is required to become one and many inherit their positions from their fathers. All it takes is to attract a following and presto---instant imam.

Considering that most muslims, especially non-Arabic speaking muslims, don't have a clue what the Qur'an says, I guess they use their spiritual instincts to decide that the imam they like is qualified to be one. The islamic clergy pass their ignorance, intolerance, and hate along to their faithful zombies, who will die for them.

Posted by: Susanp at September 27, 2006 12:03 PM

special_guest,

True dat. Sadly.

Posted by: ZionistYoungster at September 27, 2006 12:07 PM

John Quincy Adams' attention to the level of evil in Islam is exactly what finally made me understand that to continue to bandy words with Muslim leaders would not only be a charade for all of us, but a selling out of my own soul and deepest held beliefs as a human being. I was raised with honor and truth as high ideals, and I certainly will never flinch from calling Islam what it is, despite how many in far greater positions of power and media than I continue to cloak with Political Correctness, and that is that Islam is the Enemy of all free peoples on Earth. It is today, it was since its beginnings and it most certainly will be tomorrow.

Try to find the moderates all you might -- try to find the way to a Reform for the barbarians, but at the end of the day, the only solution is war with Islam. Adams' knew it, I know it, and a few are finally starting to say it.

Everyday we see more and more examples of the fear that has injected itself into the Western world -- fear of Islamic retalation and "rage". I do not fear these people, I pity them, because I know that the awakening process for the West has begun.

My only concern is really this: have we awoken in time to stop Islam from destroying huge portions of the West?

Time will tell.

Posted by: Foehammer at September 27, 2006 12:24 PM

We should not surprise by his statement "The only dialogue we will accept is when all other religions agree to convert to Islam."...

He had been inspired by Islamic Holy Quran. He just restate and make it clear to us.

We will see more true Moslems like him again. They already declared war against us. When will we?

Posted by: Mohammed_Pedophiles_Club at September 27, 2006 12:45 PM

protectalbion,

"Rather than constantly go on about how abhorrent Islam is (I for one definitely know this now)...how about people talking about how we are going to bring the mainstream public closer to our views"

This should be the #1 front-burner issue on our agenda. Unfortunately, it is on the back burner -- mainly because most Jihad Watchers mistakenly think that the majority of the West is on their side, and that only a small "elite" doesn't get it.

Posted by: remote_control at September 27, 2006 12:46 PM

Note the Sheik refers to B'16 as "this small racist." We need to treat the racism charge with the contempt it deserves whenever it is leveled, reminding all that we do not hate these Jihadists because of their race, but because of their creed-driven violence.

Posted by: MP at September 27, 2006 12:58 PM

"How about people talking about how we are going to bring the mainstream public closer to our views?"

The number one priority is: Education and information.

Personally, I've assigned myself the task of being a foot soldier in the war of information. I'm forcing myself to "learn" everything I can about Islam and it's a very DEPRESSING EXPERIENCE. You can understand how people of good will and decency naturally avoid something like the koran, in the same way that decent people don't stare when the EMT crew carries a neighbor out on a gurney.

We come to this board to bond and and to strengthen our resolve to win the battle of information in Islam's war against us.

I plan to use the Church as an educational springboard. I have about a year of training left to go before actively deploying.

Posted by: Ynkedoodl2 at September 27, 2006 1:02 PM

Everytime the subject of Jihad comes up in conversation, I chime in. This board has been very helpful in supplying the ammunition that allows me to present the case agains the Islamists with irrefutable facts. I never initiate this topic of conversation, but it is amazing how frequently it comes up in very diverse company. In the U.S., the average person is miles ahead of the "leadership" on this one. If we persist, it will only be a matter of time until the political and cultural elites are compelled to listen or will themselves be discredited. I feel very much like the abolitionsists circa 1858 must have felt. The truth will prevail.

Posted by: MP at September 27, 2006 1:34 PM

"Rather than constantly go on about how abhorrent Islam is (I for one definitely know this now)...how about people talking about how we are going to bring the mainstream public closer to our views"

With you 100% on that, ProtectAlbion.

Templar

Posted by: jacques_de_molay at September 27, 2006 1:37 PM

Many churches have out reach missionaries that have worked in Islamic countries. They will come to church gatherings, not particularly their own churches, and tell you of first hand Muslim practices within the countries they served.

I went to one. The first thing the missionary had us do was to turn off all recording devices. He was former Muslim that had converted to being a Methodist. He has his family in hiding in the US. Muslims don't want you to learn about their religion. They want to teach you. It that manner they control what you know about them.

Knowledge is the light in the darkness of Islam. As soon as the Mega-Churches start putting this knowledge into their programs, things will start to happen very fast.

God willing, of course.

Posted by: credit man at September 27, 2006 1:48 PM

"The only dialogue we will accept is when all other religions agree to convert to Islam."

So tell us somthing we don't already know.

The black cloud of islam spread over a world infested with Borg-like musbots, festering in their 7th century cesspits, worshipping that perfect example of a man, morehamhead.........I can't wait.

Posted by: dhimmiwit at September 27, 2006 2:29 PM

Following up on a previous discussion regarding the question, "Is Islam a Judeao-Christian heresy?" (thanks Remote_control), the issue relative to this thread is, should there be ANY dialogue between Christians, much less Christian leaders, and Islamists (i.e. heretics).

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Posted by Remote_control:

"If a 'non-Christian' group appropriates Judaeo-Christian theologoumena then deforms it, and then makes that deformed theologoumena the center of their new belief system, they should be called a 'heresy'. At the very least, they should not be granted the status of a religion in which undeformed divinity can be discerned and 'respected'.

And

"These two things should be enough to classify it as a Judaeo-Christian heresy:

1) Islam is mainly a renovation or re-presentation of Judaeo-Christian soteriology/theology.

2) In its renovation/re-presentation, Islam denies Jesus Christ's divinity.

Without proving #1, Islam would not be a heresy, since a Buddhist could deny Christ's divinity, but that's only because a Buddhist is not a Christian. But Islam's Koran depends upon the mythology of Israel and includes Jesus Christ as a central figure in that mythology, culminating in the final Prophethood of Mohammed, in addition leading to an eschatology that is obviously pirated from Judaeo-Christian symbolisms.

#2 is easy to prove from the Koran."
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I found the following online which is of interest. It includes some bashing of Protestants, Calvinists in particular, but I think it makes a good read for all.
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The Great and Enduring Heresy of Mohammed – by Hilaire Belloc
Mohammedanism was a heresy: that is the essential point to grasp before going any further. It began as a heresy, not as a new religion. It was not a pagan contrast with the Church; it was not an alien enemy. It was a perversion of Christian doctrine. Its vitality and endurance soon gave it the appearance of a new religion, but those who were contemporary with its rise saw it for what it was – not a denial, but an adaptation and a misuse, of the Christian thing. It differed from most (not from all) heresies in this, that it did not arise within the bounds of the Christian Church. The chief heresiarch, Mohammed himself, was not, like most heresiarchs, a man of Catholic birth and doctrine to begin with. He sprang from pagans. But that which he taught was in the main Catholic doctrine, oversimplified. It was the great Catholic world – on the frontiers of which he lived, whose influence was all around him and whose territories he had known by travel – which inspired his convictions. He came of, and mixed with, the degraded idolaters of the Arabian wilderness, the conquest of which had never seemed worth the Romans' while.

He took over very few of those old pagan ideas which might have been native to him from his descent. On the contrary, he preached and insisted upon a whole group of ideas which were peculiar to the Catholic Church and distinguished it from the paganism which it had conquered in the Greek and Roman civilization. Thus the very foundation of his teaching was that prime Catholic doctrine, the unity and omnipotence of God. The attributes of God he also took over in the main from Catholic doctrine: the personal nature, the all-goodness, the timelessness, the providence of God, His creative power as the origin of all things, and His sustenance of all things by His power alone. The world of good spirits and angels and of evil spirits in rebellion against God was a part of the teaching, with a chief evil spirit, such as Christendom had recognized. Mohammed preached with insistence that prime Catholic doctrine, on the human side – the immortality of the soul and its responsibility for actions in this life, coupled with the consequent doctrine of punishment and reward after death.

If anyone sets down those points that orthodox Catholicism has in common with Mohammedanism, and those points only, one might imagine if one went no further that there should have been no cause of quarrel. Mohammed would almost seem in this aspect to be a sort of missionary, preaching and spreading by the energy of his character the chief and fundamental doctrines of the Catholic Church among those who had hitherto been degraded pagans of the Desert. He gave to Our Lord the highest reverence, and to Our Lady also, for that matter. On the day of judgment (another Catholic idea which he taught) it was Our Lord, according to Mohammed, who would be the judge of mankind, not he, Mohammed. The Mother of Christ, Our Lady, "the Lady Miriam" was ever for him the first of womankind. His followers even got from the early fathers some vague hint of her Immaculate Conception.

It was from this fact that certain French writers opposed to the Church got their enormous blunder, that the Immaculate Conception came to us from Mohammedan sources! Gibbon, of course, copies his masters blindly here – as he always does, and he repeats the absurdity in his "Decline and Fall."

But the central point where this new heresy struck home with a mortal blow against Catholic tradition was a full denial of the Incarnation.

Mohammed did not merely take the first steps toward that denial, as the Arians and their followers had done; he advanced a clear affirmation, full and complete, against the whole doctrine of an incarnate God. He taught that Our Lord was the greatest of all the prophets, but still only a prophet: a man like other men. He eliminated the Trinity altogether.

With that denial of the Incarnation went the whole sacramental structure. He refused to know anything of the Eucharist, with its Real Presence; he stopped the sacrifice of the Mass, and therefore the institution of a special priesthood. In other words, he, like so many other lesser heresiarchs, founded his heresy on simplification.
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Belloc attributes the "strength" of the Mohammadan religion to its few retained, though simplified, Catholic Doctrines, its promotion of "justice" and "equality" within Islam (dubious), its appeal to enslaved and indebted populations and its roots in pagan culture and ability to assimulate the same for reinvigorating its military contingents.

I think though this is true, the quote from John Quincy Adams (posted elsewhere by Foehammer) tells not only the rest of the story, but the crux of the issue: "THE ESSENCE OF HIS DOCTRINE WAS VIOLENCE AND LUST: TO EXALT THE BRUTAL OVER THE SPIRITUAL PART OF HUMAN NATURE" [capitals in the original].

Thus, Mohammad "justified" our basest "natural man" drives, and sacralized them. While Mohammad's "full denial of the incarnation", crass works righteousness, and claims of secret knowledge would have made Arius, the Ebionites, the Gnostics, Pelagius, Arminius, and many other heretics all simultaneously blush at his excesses, it was his advocacy of frank carnal sin (murder, robbery, pillage, mutilation, rape, sex, etc.) wrapped in the warm blanket of false piety that has earned him his most devout followers (at least among males). Seasoning this with a generous dose of fear ("terror") completes the recipe.

As to implications of having classifying this a heresy, scripture is clear. A sampling:

1 Corinthians 5:11
But now I am writing you that you must not associate with anyone who calls himself a brother but is sexually immoral or greedy, an idolater or a slanderer, a drunkard or a swindler. With such a man do not even eat.
2 Corinthians 11:2-4 For I am jealous for you with a godly jealousy; for I betrothed you to one husband, so that to Christ I might present you as a pure virgin. But I am afraid that, as the serpent deceived Eve by his craftiness, your minds will be led astray from the simplicity and purity of devotion to Christ. For if one comes and preaches another Jesus whom we have not preached, or you receive a different spirit which you have not received, or a different gospel which you have not accepted, you bear this beautifully.
Galatians 1:9 As we have said before, so I say again now, if any man is preaching to you a gospel contrary to what you received, he is to be accursed!

That is:

Don't eat with them.
Don't associate with them.
Don't have business dealings with them.
Etc.

Be chaste with your beliefs. No more ecumenical BS with heretics!

Papal mollycoddling of heretics in vain attempt to diffuse a row may play well politically, but is theologically inappropriate. Benedict should stand his ground. So should the rest of us.

Posted by: Concerned Citizen at September 27, 2006 3:08 PM

Some view Christianity as a Jewish heresy.

Posted by: MP at September 27, 2006 3:15 PM

Christianity doesn't go around promoting the killing of innocents, the beheading of infidels and the burning of rape victims. So, it really doesn't matter, does it, what anyone might try to codify Christianity as?

The proof is in the pudding.

As Concerned Citizen points out well, Islam is indeed a heresy, and as I have pointed out before, it is a massive lie that was intentionally cultivated by Muhammad off of the two religions that he knew best outside of his own animist roots, and those were of course Judaism and Christianity. Muhammad had run-ins through his entire life with Jews (thus the massive anti-Semitism throughout the Qu'ran) and he had a cousin that was Christian. He adopted elements of both religions to meet his needs with Islam, and indeed, prior to the events of the Satantic Verses, he also incorporated Animist beliefs to a great degree (and some still remain -- polygamy being one of the clearest).

Islam is the most vile lie ever put upon humanity. Just look at the terrible evil it has spawned and continues to spawn. It is only going to get far worse as the Muslims gain greater numbers, more and more political influence, succeed in intimidatiing the rest of us and infringing on our rights and ultimately, in taking the weak and the wrong among us and "reverting" them to Islam.

For proof of all this one need only look at the current state of Europe and especially Britain, Spain, France, Norway, Belgium and the Netherlands.

We are on the brink of disaster if we do not face the truth about Islam.

Posted by: Foehammer at September 27, 2006 3:39 PM

@concerned citizen

An interesting post, but it completely neglects to mention the influence of Judaism on Islam. Jews pray three times a day, so the Muslims pray five times a day. Jews fast two times a year, the Muslims fast for a month every year. Mohammad copied the Jewish customs and changed them.

Mohammad copped the dietary laws, the sabbath, the praying in a certain direction. He copped the rules on shaving, prayer caps, circumcision. In prayer Jews face Jerusalem, Muslims face Mecca, the Jewish color is blue, the Muslim color is green and on and on.
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Islam is an ersatz Judeo-Christian parody. Stupid is as stupid creates and nothing can be stupider than Islam.

The goofiest part of Islam is its attitude towards Jesus. In the Koran in Sura 3, the Koran specifically says: "Ismuhu Issa, Masiichu." His name was Jesus, Messiah. Koran goes on to say that Jesus was created in Mary's womb WITHOUT MARY EVER HAVING BEEN "TOUCHED BY A MAN." I.E. Mary was a virgin. I.e. Jesus was the Son of God--since God got her pregnant, capisce?

So my eternal question to Muslims: Why would I demote the Messiah, who according to all sources (including the Koran) was Son of God, and honor above him Mohammad who was not only not a son of God, but a real son of a bitch?????

Don't make sense.

Posted by: Ynkedoodl2 at September 27, 2006 3:54 PM

Another heretical aspect of Islam.

By now everyone is familiar with the Jihadi call: Allah Akbar.

Everytime I hear it, I'm reminded that Islam IS NOT MONOTHEISTIC!

Can't be. Here's why...

Allah akbar means "Allah is greater"

My questions to Muslims: "Greater than what?"

A logical answer would be: Greater than Yahweh, greater than Krishna, greater than Father Time or whatever.

Aha, so Islam believes in more than one God.

YOU CAN'T KILL ANOTHER PERSON FOR BELIEVING IN A DIFFERENT GOD IF YOU REALLY REALLY BELIEVE ONE GOD CREATED US ALL.

Muslims are pagans but too stupid to realize it.

Posted by: Ynkedoodl2 at September 27, 2006 4:08 PM

This will be like the 5th time in the last 4 months that I we had beeen asked or told to convert. Yawn.......

Posted by: BIRDDDOG at September 27, 2006 5:16 PM

I got this in an email, it fits.
Do you remember?

1). 1968 Bobby Kennedy was shot and killed by
a. Superman
b. Jay Leno
c. Harry Potter
d. a Muslim male extremist between the ages of 17 and 40

2). In 1972 at the Munich Olympics, athletes were kidnapped and
massacred by
a. Olga Corbett
b. Sitting Bull
c. Arnold Schwarzenegger
d. Muslim male extremists mostly between the ages of 17 and 40

3). In 1979, the US embassy in Iran was taken over by:
a. Lost Norwegians
b. Elvis
c. A tour bus full of 80-year-old women
d. Muslim male extremists mostly between the ages of 17 and 40

4). During the 1980's a number of Americans were kidnapped in
Lebanon by:
a. John Dillinger
b. The King of Sweden
c. The Boy Scouts
d. Muslim male extremists mostly between the ages of 17 and 40

5). In 1983, the US Marine barracks in Beirut was blown up by:
a. A pizza delivery boy
b. Pee Wee Herman
c. Geraldo Rivera
d. Muslim male extremists mostly between the ages of 17 and 40

6). In 1985 the cruise ship Achille Lauro was hijacked and a 70
year old American passenger was murdered and thrown overboard
in his wheelchair by:
a. The Smurfs
b. Davey Jones
c. The Little Mermaid
d. Muslim male extremists mostly between the ages of 17 and 40

7). In 1985 TWA flight 847 was hijacked at Athens, and a US Navy diver
trying to rescue passengers was murdered by:
a. Captain Kidd
b. Charles Lindberg
c. Mother Teresa
d. Muslim male extremists mostly between the ages of 17 and 40

8). In 1988, Pan Am Flight 103 was bombed by:
a. Scooby Doo
b. The Tooth Fairy and The Sundance Kid
d. Muslim male extremists mostly between the ages of 17 and 40

9). In 1993 the World Trade Center was bombed the first time by:
a. Richard Simmons
b. Grandma Moses
c. Michael Jordan
d. Muslim male extremists mostly between the ages of 17 and 40

10). In 1998, the US embassies in Kenya and Tanzania were bombed by:
a. Mr. Rogers
b. Hillary Clinton, to distract attention from Wild Bill's women problems
c. The World Wrestling Federation
d. Muslim male extremists mostly between the ages of 17 and 40

11). On 9/11/01, four airliners were hijacked; two were used as missiles
to take out the World Trade Centers and of the remaining two, one
crashed into the US Pentagon and the other was diverted and
crashed by the passengers. Thousands of people were killed by:
a. Bugs Bunny, Wiley E.Coyote, Daffy Duck and Elmer Fudd
b. The Supreme Court of Florida
c. Mr. Bean
d. Muslim male extremists mostly between the ages of 17 and 40

12). In 2002 the United States fought a war in Afghanistan against:
a. Enron
b. The Lutheran Church
c. The NFL
d. Muslim male extremists mostly between the ages of 17 and 40

13). In 2002 reporter Daniel Pearl was kidnapped and murdered by:
a. Bonnie and Clyde
b. Captain Kangaroo
c. Billy Graham
d. Muslim male extremists mostly between the ages of 17 and 40

Nope, I really don't see a pattern here to justify profiling, do you?
So, to ensure we never offend anyone, particularly fanatics intent on
killing us, airport security screeners will no longer be allowed to
profile certain people. They must conduct random searches of
80-year-old women, little kids, airline pilots with proper identification,
secret agents who are members of the security details, 85-year old
people with metal hips, but leave Muslim Males between the ages 17 and 40
alone lest they be guilty of profiling.
AMERICA wake up! WHO IS TRYING TO DESTROY US?
Let's be REALISTIC as to whom our enemies are and stop worry about trying to be POLITICALLY CORRECT!
Can our government get with the program?!

Posted by: Ronin at September 27, 2006 6:09 PM

credit man,
It would be nice if mega-churches started teaching the truth about Islam, but I'm not holding my breath. Most of them seem to be concerned with money and membership. Speaking out against Islam would endanger that. Pat Robertson called Ariel Sharon's stroke a punishment from God, but then backed off when the Israeli government threatened to prevent him from building some Christian Theme park in Israel. So too, would mega-church leaders back off if they criticized Islam and CAIR protested.

I notice that this insane guy didn't mention which brand of Islam to convert to. He should have been more specific.

Posted by: non-redneck at September 27, 2006 6:23 PM

dqene posted: We have on one hand, these pukes of islam who are totally supremicist, look down on us with total hate and disgust, and will kill us in an instant - at the local mosque , convenience store, or local park -

And on the other hand, demand or beg for money to sustain themselves.

Posted by: DP111 at September 27, 2006 6:44 PM

"The only dialogue we will accept....etc".

Ok -- so you really don't want a "dialogue". What you really want is for everyone to become a mindless zombie like you.

There's something incredibly compelling about this man's invitation to convert to Islam -- I'm compelled to run for my life!!

Posted by: champ at September 27, 2006 6:47 PM

Bohemond_1069 wrote

If Islam will not be reformed it must be destroyed.

That's exactly my position on Islam. I don't know (and don't care) about others.

Posted by: Mohammed bin Kafir Abu Jahal at September 27, 2006 7:11 PM

Islam can't be reformed. If it is transformed, then calling it Islam will just be a semantic exercise. I endorse Bohemond and Mo's call above - it must be destroyed.

Posted by: Infidel Pride at September 27, 2006 7:21 PM

Here's an idea for our terrorist friends at HAMAS:
Try having some dialogue with the talking trees and talking rocks found in the Kuran. Surprisingly, you would have something in common with those talking trees and rocks: you all would DEFINITELY be at the same IQ level!

No one besides talking trees and talking rocks would willingly at least have anything to do with you, let alone dialogue. Except for the French...

Posted by: pythagoras at September 27, 2006 7:41 PM

Did Bush not say " alah and the god of the Christians to be the same god"? If so, if that is indeed is true, why are we fighting? Why has Bush then not converted to islam?

If the label is all that is required, why not place it on the bumper, Bush?

Of course perhaps this was a slip , like the Pope
perhaps did , if he did, slip.

It is all about what you say, not the meaning?

Posted by: Islofob IS-1 at September 27, 2006 7:42 PM

"The only dialogue we will accept is when all other religions agree to convert to Islam"

hope they brought their pillows and blankets for it will be really cold in hell before this happens.

Posted by: Texican at September 27, 2006 9:37 PM

"The only dialogue we will accept is when all other religions agree to convert to Islam"

I hope they are holding their breath.

In their stupidity they are capable of doing so, then the problem with Islam will be over.

Posted by: rocky at September 27, 2006 10:49 PM

credit man

You very rightly say that many churches know first hand about islamic oppression.

many also fund missionaries in very dangerous locations.

but what they do is not yet known or supported by the wider public.

Your left hand should not know what the right one does...

Sound christian doctrine.

Posted by: rocky at September 27, 2006 11:31 PM

Sheik Abu Saqer, leader of Gaza's Jihadia Salafiya Islamic outreach movement, which seeks to make secular Muslims more religious, called the pope a "puppet" for "that Crusader
George Bush."
soundslike this nut case is living 600 years back there have not been any crusaders for that long but it could be he is thinking of el cid who was a knight who led spanish partisans and tossed the moslems out and stoped the payment of that lovely poll tax they ripped the spanish off for

The Gaza imam said the only Christian-Muslim dialogue that is acceptable is one in which "all religions agree to convert to Islam well Ignorance is the hallmark of sheiks, imams, mullahs and he must be thinking of all the hindoes that were forced to convert and wants to do the same to use but Ignorance is the hallmark of sheiks, imams, mullahs and he sure proves it

Posted by: islamakapigeaters at September 27, 2006 11:58 PM

non-redneck,

About mega-churches, there are many now that are professing Zionist Chtistians and are speaking out against Islam. Several Pastors that have world wide T.V. Ministries are spot-on and sound like Robert and many posters here. You must not have listened to Pat lately or at all as He has been spot-on and had several guests on like Pipes and others. Pastor Rod Parsley and especially Pastor John Hagee (both with huge T.V. Ministries) have been dead on!

Did you just hear Pat's comment on Sharon on the news or have you actually watched his program.

Pastor John Hagee's best selling book "Jerusalem Countdown" is an excellent read and mirrors most comments on this and other sites ( sans the profanity of course).

Posted by: guide inside at September 28, 2006 12:55 AM

Well, I say "in your dreams". I am not going to agree to following a false prophet and a false religion. Jesus promised that the gates of hell will not prevail, and Islam will not prevail. The Gaza imam will no doubt feel the wrath of God in the near future.

It is time that Christians told the Islamics to get out of Gaza and to get out of the Holy Land because they have no rights to that land. They are the ones who have been thieves and they stole the land from the original inhabitants.

These imams are extremely ignorant and they are not priests. They should not ever be referred to as priests because a priest offers sacrifice to God, and from what I have read and seen these men never offer any form of sacrifice to God, except the human variety. My understanding of Scripture says that this human sacrifice is what is displeasing to God because it is paganism.

Posted by: Maggie4Life at September 28, 2006 12:57 AM

The Crusades were good.

After Muslims were nagging and nagging, they finally made the dormant non-muslim societies wake up and blast them with well-deserved fury.

I think now one of those historic cycles is coming to a head.

Posted by: rocky at September 28, 2006 1:40 AM

These imams are extremely ignorant and they are not priests. They should not ever be referred to as priests because a priest offers sacrifice to God, and from what I have read and seen these men never offer any form of sacrifice to God, except the human variety. My understanding of Scripture says that this human sacrifice is what is displeasing to God because it is paganism

Posted by: Maggie4Life

Yes the mullahs (imams) do offer sacrifice to allah (not God). They saw off the heads of animals in mosques, and call it qurbani (sacrifice).

Try reading something other than the scriptures for a change.

Posted by: arjun.sevak at September 28, 2006 2:26 AM

Animal sacrifice was an ancient practice that Christianity eventually banned. The Sacrifice of the Mass replaced that impulse.

I understand that the animal is bled slowly in Islamic butchery.

Posted by: atheling at September 28, 2006 3:14 AM

atheling,
muslims SAW OFF the heads of animals in the name of qurbani (sacrifice). And this is done in EVERY SINGLE mosque, everywhere on the globe. The post mortem is also done in the mosques. These 'holy places of islam' double up as slaughterhouses.

Posted by: arjun.sevak at September 28, 2006 3:28 AM

arjun,

I have talked to Muslims who have gone to Hajj and have been overwhelmed by the sight of mass-slaughter of animals, includeing, goats, camels, donkeys, etc.
This is done by some Muslim hajis to complete their pilgrimage.

It seems that the place is a nightmare of blood and animals bleating.

Posted by: rocky at September 28, 2006 3:38 AM

rocky,
Animal slaughter is a very basic ritual of islam. EVERY single muslim has to do it. There are posters who think that this happens only once or twice a year. But they forget that the koran tells the muslims to eat only halal (head sawn off) meat. In every single mosque, depending upon the surrounding population, animals are killed daily.

In my city, there are two mosques that have big courtyards. I was able to see for myself what goes on in there by passing the day on the balcony of a flat in a highrise some distance away. Used binoculars. You might want to see it for yourself, but do remain well out of view, and hood the binoculars. Also, don't think of taking any snacks along. Friend of mine thought it was going to be like bird watching, took a lot of snacks, and threw up everything when he saw the halal taking place.

Posted by: arjun.sevak at September 28, 2006 3:48 AM

No wonder it's easy for them to slit people's throats.

Just like how psychopathic serial killers often start by tormenting and killing animals before they eventually do it to humans.

Gruesome.

Posted by: atheling at September 28, 2006 3:56 AM

yes, probably they are just practicing.

But it is at their own peril that they assume that we cannot harm them.

Posted by: rocky at September 28, 2006 8:48 AM

Suuuuuuuuuure. I'll "submit." When ayat- and ahadith-spouting simians come flying out of my posterior. Now there's a visual for Adam Ghadan.

Posted by: desertdawg29palms at September 28, 2006 10:31 AM

Arjun -- your bird watching story is hilarious!

Posted by: champ at September 28, 2006 11:30 AM

The problem is that the MSM and the Dhimmicratic demagogs are too busy bashing Bush and undermining every thing he is doing to make us safer (NY times outing all the major intel programs) to acknowledge or even recognise the threat. Real information and proper charicterization of this scourge on humanity is not possible in this climate. The latest is the so called intelligence report that states that the War in Iraq has increased the terrorist threat by by making greater recruitment possible. We must not make them madder at us by standing up to thier BS. I am not even sure another 911 style attack, or worse, will even wake them up. They will just point to it and say See,See, it's all Bushes fault, all we had to do is give them a group hug and sing kumbaya and they would see that we are good people. It makes my stomach turn.

Posted by: TEXROCK at September 28, 2006 12:38 PM

Champ,
Yes, it is hilarious. The human part of it.

Posted by: arjun.sevak at September 28, 2006 1:20 PM

I saw a program on the Hajj not to long ago and this year as in past years as they rush forward to throw rocks at the Devil, many thousands are crushed and killed! Well suuuprise, suuuprise!! You expected about a million of You to stomp around Satan's big black rock and then throw rocks at him and he not have a little fun and kill several thousand of you!!

Posted by: guide inside at September 28, 2006 1:40 PM

I think I will try for the body bag concession at next years Hajj.

Man, they kill everything and everybody and even their ownselves when those Wascully Wrabbit Infidels arent handy.

Seriously, being in Ministry and having encountered Demon possession, opression, influence, guidance,etc., they carry that very classic satanic look on their faces(not even slightly hidden)and its the same crazy look on Nazi S.S. guards, nut house inmates, prison inmates, school shooters, homicide bombers,etc.

Posted by: guide inside at September 28, 2006 2:01 PM

Okay, this is not for the squeamish. Here's an example of what we're up against. UGH. I was able to watch this only once.

Posted by: atheling at September 28, 2006 3:22 PM

"Animal sacrifice was an ancient practice that Christianity eventually banned"

The need to sacrifice ended with the death of Jesus on the cross, no more was needed after that event.

". Pastor Rod Parsley and especially Pastor John Hagee (both with huge T.V. Ministries) have been dead on! "

Hagee is a person like the so called "bible thumpers", from the older times, he has that fire. Quite a speaker. He has been warned to tone down his talk agains islam, or risk getting pulled from the air on his brodcasts. His one show dealt with demons, how the bible dealt with them compaired to what goes on today. I believe MO was taken, it makes everything very clear when viewed from this PIV.

Even a non follower will find somthing with a listen.

Posted by: Islofob IS-1 at September 28, 2006 3:41 PM

Atheling,

Got to disagree with you... EVERYBODY needs to watch this video, squeamish or not. What sick, demented, child abusing heretic freaks!!

If ANYBODY sees this happen in your city, call the police and child protective services. If ANYBODY recognizes a child in this or similar video, call the police and child protective services.

Posted by: Concerned Citizen at September 28, 2006 5:14 PM

Concerned Citizen:

I doubt if CPS could do anything about this. Multiculturalism and Liberal Relativism would forbid it.

I assume this occurred in a Muslim country. Do you think CPS exists there?

CPS and the police are not who we need to call to stop this. We need to call the Marines.

Posted by: atheling at September 28, 2006 5:57 PM

Atheling,

Sorry, on the first pass the subtitle led me to believe it was (already) happening in a Western country. On the second pass, I saw the Arabic building signs.

On the other hand, I really don't give a rip about the multiculturalists and the PC lemmings; my duty would be to report the activity, not to assume nothing would be done. Maybe child sacrifice will come back, that was a religious rite, too.

Everyone else,

Here are some other links to other Ashura "celebration" photos and other Islamic child abuse:

http://www.faithfreedom.org/Gallery/11.htm
http://www.faithfreedom.org/Gallery/16.htm
___________________
Courtesy Wikipedia:

The Day of Ashura (Arabic: عاشوراء‎ ​ translit: ‘Āshūrā’, also Aashoora and other spellings) is on the 10th day of Muharram in the Islamic calendar and marks the climax of the Remembrance of Muharram but not the Islamic month. For Shi'a Muslims, it commemorates the martyrdom of Husayn ibn Ali, the grandson of Muhammad at the Battle of Karbala in the year 61 AH (AD 680), and is a day for mourning.

Shi'a observe Ashura with a traditional flagellation ritual called zanjeer zani or zanjeer matam.

1428 AH – First day: January 20, 2007; last day: February 18, 2007
_________________

So it looks like 1/29/2007 will be my next opportunity to report any hometown Shi'a "self-flaggelating" a baby. Wish me luck.

Posted by: Concerned Citizen at September 28, 2006 6:56 PM

Yeah, it's a sick religion, I'll never adapt to it! Now or Later, the answer is inevitable.

Posted by: Jeff at September 28, 2006 9:45 PM

Islofob -

John Hagee is one of the ONLY television preachers courageous enough to tell the truth about radical Islam, and I watch his program nearly everyday. He's even written a book entitled 'Jerusalem Countdown' that's very informative.

Posted by: champ at September 28, 2006 10:10 PM

A couple of comments:

Champ wrote: "John Hagee is one of the ONLY television preachers courageous enough to tell the truth about radical Islam, and I watch his program nearly everyday. He's even written a book entitled 'Jerusalem Countdown' that's very informative."

Champ, can you clarify something for me - why do you fire-breathing Rapture-and-End-of-Times-believing fundamentalist Christians really care about how radical Islam is screwing our world? You expect and anticipate the end of the world to come in Jerusalem, and that only Christians - your kind of Christians - and those few Jews who convert to Christianity at the last minute will be spared being cast into the eternal pits of Hell. Muslims of course will all roast, along with atheists, pagans, Hindus, Buddhists, and various other unclean vermin. So why are you worrying? It will all unfold as it should according to the venerable Scofield Reference Bible. Relax, kick back, have a beer...the end is nigh, but you've got no reason to be scared, have you? So I ask again: WHY DO YOU CARE?

Now that I've shut the idiots up (NBL!) I will direct a comment to those in possession of a modicum of reason.

Re. the imam's comment about all other religions of the world needing to convert: I agree it would be a great idea to put this on a T-shirt, as well as on posters, fliers... Why didn't every newspaper in the world print it on the front page in big, black letters? (What people in the business, interestingly, call "Second COming" typeface.) Perhaps then all those who are still rafting a river in Egypt would finally wake up to reality. Radical Islam does not want dialogue; it wants submission.

The t-shirt reference reminded me of a story in the news as few weeks ago. Someone in California desgined a t-shirt with the words "I am not a terrorist" printed in Arabic, as a form of protest against all the horrible stigmatization of Muslims going on. A person of my acquaintance decided to order that t-shirt. I told him it was a great idea, and that I would follow up by designing a t-shirt with the words "F**K Allah" printed in Arabic. I don't think he got it, somehow.

When the Muslims who feel unfairly discriminated against start to lay the blame at the feet of those who deserve it - namely, Islamic terrorists - that's when I will start to rally behind their cause.

Posted by: angloirishslav at September 28, 2006 11:07 PM

angloirishslav;
I would guess you really mean it then. My take on what Champ was stating, was that there are some with Christian backgrounds who see the threat as well, and are speaking out. Remember, they(I.E.John Hagee ) have only their faith to protect and comfort them, no sign in to Typekey.

Consider this before you declair all who look for help where they see fit as idiots. The water is at your feet, if you refuse to drink, lift your head, the desert is ahead, and you can be on your way. No shouts of idiot will follow you on the path.

Posted by: Islofob IS-1 at September 29, 2006 12:10 AM

angloirishslav; Why so angry? What Church or Christian did you wrong? Your reference to the Sco. Bible indicates you encounterd some Denominational folks that sternly pounded you with their groups doctrine instead of being Light and exibiting Love towards you. Yes, I see the prophetic record extending over a couple of thousand years by many different writers (many different 'Books' of the Bible) I didnt write those things! Its not my job to convince you, convert you, shout you down,prove you wrong,etc. I can, however, apologise for any professing Christian who has ever hurt you, angered you, got in your face and told you where they supposed you were wrong.

The few posts of yours that I have read have been very good. I have noticed the strong Anti- Christian thread running thru them. We could probably enjoy a beverage together and discuss what we both see happening in the World. We might even like each other!! Shock, Shock. If the muzzies come for me they will find an Irish-Cherokee with a twelve gauge ready for those "Close Encounters" of a Muzzie kind.

Have you noticed a frustration and a kind of doom and gloom about islams encroachment on the Western world amongst the posters on this site? We see the increase and Governments lack of response and it is troubling but I have no fear!! The Lord has infused me with an OVERWHELMING dose of Love, Joy, and Peace. The Bible calls it the Peace that passes all understanding. I Pray that all posters here have that Peace, especially Robert for providing this forum. Our corporate Peace in the World has been invadid by some real "fire-breathing" religious cultists who want to force us all to accept their Death Cult.

The one who "infused" me with this has become my

"GUIDE INSIDE"

Posted by: guide inside at September 29, 2006 2:36 AM

Hello, i am a muslim person, well, i guess this sheikh is not the leader or he is representing muslims by any way!..
in fact the problem, and at the same time the flexibility of islam, is that we have no religous leader, except while in the prayers (the imam who lead the prayer).. in the past while the muslims conquered the world there was a khalifa which is a person elected by all the muslims.. which is not the case in our days.. so we have no khalifa, and we have not elected thoses salafists or the jihadists or whatever name they may give their selfs.. islam in my eyes and in the eyes of all the "normal" muslims i have seen till now, accept the "modernity" and the civil laws (i.e to practice his religion on individual term or with muslim groups)..

i guess we all need to know each other whatever be our "background" or belief:)

thanks..

Posted by: karma at September 29, 2006 7:49 AM

Angloirishlav -

Actually, that's a very good question, and my answer is very simple -- because I care about people like you, and it grieves me deeply to see what's happening in the world (radical Islam, plagues, weather changes, etc) and the judgement that's coming on the rejecters of Christ.

I made a decision years ago to listen to what Jesus had to say about end times, hell, heaven, and who He is; and to trust that He is God, and that He has everything under control.

John Hagee, and other's like him, are not the focus of who I listen to -- but Jesus is. Jesus spoke more about hell than He did about heaven, and He also said you must be born-again to go there.

He also revealed things about His second coming, and according to God's word and what we see in the world today -- His second coming is near.

One key "sign" of His return is Israel becoming a nation, which happened in 1947.

I hope this answers your question; and please check-out what Jesus had to say and who He is for yourself by reading the bible. The gospel of John is a good place to start.

Posted by: champ at September 29, 2006 12:18 PM