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Warith Deen Umar Update from AP, with thanks to Jeffrey Imm:
NEW YORK (AP) -- The former head Islamic chaplain for the state prison system was sentenced Thursday to a year of home detention by a judge who said he deserved leniency on a gun charge after decades of achievements that followed childhood poverty.Warith Deen Umar will be permitted to leave home for work, medical care and religious services, Judge Robert P. Patterson said.
Earlier this year, Umar, 62, pleaded guilty to a gun charge after admitting he waved an empty shotgun at an angry tenant who struck him at a Bronx building he owns. He also owned a .22-caliber rifle and four shotgun shells.
The government charged Umar with gun possession, saying he was not allowed to have one because he had been convicted in 1971 of possession of a dangerous weapon.
The judge rejected efforts by the government to get him to take into consideration a published report that quoted Umar as saying in an unpublished memoir that even Muslims who say they are against terrorism secretly admire and applaud the Sept. 11 hijackers.
That would be this Wall Street Journal piece (subscribers only). Prison officials took it seriously enough to ban him from the prison system:
Umar was banned from state prisons shortly after the article was published in 2003 despite his assertion that his comments were taken out of context and that he never said the terrorists were martyrs or honored them.The judge said he considered the article and two others cited by prosecutors "unreliable for sentencing purposes."...
He said he was shunned by many in his religious community after a false report that he had sympathized with Sept. 11 hijackers. He said one New York mosque has permanently banned him.
Good for them.
He said he had been comforted by neighbors around his home in Glenmont, N.Y., near Albany, where he said a mostly white group of people including Christians, Jews and gays came to his defense."These are Americans," he said....
Yes, probably. And besotted dhimmi fellow travelers also, probably.
Umar has said he believes "they are persecuting me because I'm Muslim and I'm black and I speak out and because I was the Muslim chaplain in the state prison system for 25 years."...
Get real, Umar. Being Muslim and black, if you were an outspoken anti-jihadist, would get you front-page, above the fold coverage, plus seats on all the pseudo-fearless conservative talking head shows. There is nothing that American officials and media want to find more than an outspoken, passionate, articulate moderate Muslim. If you were one, you'd be everyone's hero.
The judge told Umar that some Christians and others in the United States had trouble understanding how some Muslims could interpret the Quran in a way to permit people to blow themselves up in Afghanistan and Iraq in an effort to kill others."I happen to be Christian," the judge said. "That's very difficult for me to understand."
Well, judge, why don't you explain to us how you think Muslims should interpret the Qur'an? Here is another non-Muslim lecturing a Muslim about how to understand a book that he probably hasn't actually even read.
Posted by Robert at September 29, 2006 8:40 AM
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Poor guy. Undoubtedly another victim of Zionism since he's being picked on for being a Muslim. Anytime a Muslim commits a crime (that's not a terrorist act, that is) he will now expect a free pass or cry "Islamophobia"! Sounds like another group of "victims" is carving their niche in our politically correct world.
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at September 29, 2006 10:12 AM
A new kind of chaplain.
The chaplain with guns.
Brought to you by The Religion of Peace Productions Imp.
/Imp. like in Imperialism
Posted by: POITIERS-LEPANTO at September 29, 2006 10:13 AM
Now that I think of it, I think I'll turn Muslim. Maybe I can get a sentence like this (kind of like the imprisonment Stalin had to "endure" under the Czar) after I commit a few crimes. Anything harsher than that and I'll place a call to CAIR, who can then march on my behalf. What a wonderful deal!
Posted by: ISLAMSFORLOSERS at September 29, 2006 10:19 AM
"Here is another non-Muslim lecturing a Muslim about how to understand a book that he probably hasn't actually even read."
It's like Georgy-boy dubya Bush lecturing us all on how he did all the right things, never made a mistake, and is now confident about winning the war on terrorism.
Too bad the President's dyslexic or I would suggest he read the moronic-rant-of-mohammad (koran, of course) so he could realize how full of crap he is.
I can't take the spinning. I'm past dizzy. Stop the ride and let me off!!
Posted by: Ynkedoodl2 at September 29, 2006 10:34 AM
"Umar has said he believes "they are persecuting me because I'm Muslim and I'm black and I speak out and because I was the Muslim chaplain in the state prison system for 25 years."...
He's a regular scientific mind in his use of logic and critical thinking. He's another big-baby who treats beliefs as fact, demands reality conform to his needs and wishes, and who throws a tantrum when he doesn't get his own way. What is cute and touching in a baby is sick in a grown man. (Maybe the mosque that banned him is into critical thinking and has some mature minds that don't want big baby poop in the mosque.)
at September 29, 2006 11:31 AM
americaningermany...Maybe he is left handed too and he can play the triple race card!:)
Posted by: BIRDDDOG at September 29, 2006 11:45 AM
One of the unfortunate legacies of the civil rights movement was the belief amongst the avant garde that Black Muslims were angry but just rebels against the corrupt, racist establishment. Too bad not too many of them could see that this cure is worse than the disease
Posted by: Dumbo at September 29, 2006 11:49 AM
Alot of good the four shotgun shells are going to do. Unless he tries to make an IED, or save the shot for his bomber vest.
Posted by: BIRDDDOG at September 29, 2006 11:50 AM
Robert wrote: "Well, judge, why don't you explain to us how you think Muslims should interpret the Qur'an? Here is another non-Muslim lecturing a Muslim about how to understand a book that he probably hasn't actually even read."
OK, I understand that most muslims do not know arabic. What I dont understand is after reading translations of Koran into English and not seeing anything peaceful in it, where do muslims get the mistaken idea that they are part of a peaceful religion from?
Do muslims have a compilation of Tradition like the Church has?
I mean this muslim chaplin genuinely thinks he belongs to a so-called 'good' religion. Where does he get that idea from?
Posted by: GreatShaitan at September 29, 2006 12:09 PM
OK, I understand that most muslims do not know arabic. What I dont understand is after reading translations of Koran into English and not seeing anything peaceful in it, where do muslims get the mistaken idea that they are part of a peaceful religion from?
Posted by: GreatShaitan
Obviously, something got lost in the translation!
But seriously, this post raises another question. If the Koran is directly from God and was in Arabic and cannot be altered in any way since it's the final word of God then wouldn't translating it into any other language be tantamount to profaning the word of God? If that's the case then anyone who claims to be a Muslim and doesn't know and understand Arabic can't really be a true believer, right? If anything, wouldn't they be worse than non-Muslims
since technically they are profaners?
at September 29, 2006 12:20 PM
Part of the the explanation for islamic militancy can be found in the fact that islam was founded by an arab who spoke and dictated his hallucinations in Arabic. Subsequent so-called "holy" writings like the haddith were also in Arabic.
Say what you want about the "universalism" of islam, the fact remains that it's a racist creed espousing the superiority of arabs (and the arabic religion.)
When I see American blacks falling for islam...well, I shake my head at the stupidity.
Posted by: Ynkedoodl2 at September 29, 2006 1:02 PM
The word this guy is looking for isn't "persecuting", it's 'prosecuting.' And one reason that Umar has been successfully 'prosecuted' is that first-degree murder is this guy's agenda for Americans (he's what I call a killer-Zombie master and has brainwashed killer-zombies do the dirty work).
This guy claims he's been working the US prison system 25 years! Holy God!! That explains a lot of things...
It took too long, but somebody finally got smart and nailed this f*(c%er. Good for them. But one year isn't enough of a sentence. He'll be back for more when he's out, just you wait. There's other ways for him to reach his goals of committing first-degree murder here which he'll undoubtedly find.
Posted by: pythagoras at September 29, 2006 1:08 PM
ISLAMSFORLOSERS
Good point; besides, going by that, the Arabs had and have no business converting anybody who doesn't understand Arabic into Islam. If they were consistent, they'd first forcibly teach their victims Arabic, then have them read the Quran, Tafseers, Hadiths and Sira, and then convert them to Islam.
Only problem - that doesn't work anywhere near as well as dawa does. Which non-Arab would be turned on by an interest in learning Arabic just for kicks? But seriously, if one thinks about this logically, if Islam's critics cannot be right about Islam because they don't know Arabic, then the same holds good for converts, who cannot be considered true Muslims for pretty much the same reason. Therefore, all Muslims in the East Indies, Indian sub-continent, Balkans, Turkestan and even Iran (let alone the West) should be excommunicated, or taught Arabic. But then logic has never been Islam's strong point, despite their claim of having invented the number system.
Also, only the US government could come up with the concept of Islamic chaplains, as opposed to Imams, Mullahs and Ayatollahs. Not that that has earned any extra loyalty - James Yee, the Muslim 'chaplain' who was servicing al-Qaedas prayer needs (don't get me started on that one, was found guilty of transmitting messages between them and al Qaeda. Here's a novel suggestion: how about enemy combatants don't get to practice Islam to begin with. Of course, that would be torture under al Qaeda's Senators McCain, Gramm, Warner and Chafee.
Ironically, nothing less than a terror attack greater in magnitude than 9/11 can wake us out of this stupor. When that happens, hope they get to behead these guys (after all, these senators haven't reverted, and as Adam Gadahn pointed out, their services as a result won't be recognized).
Posted by: Infidel Pride at September 29, 2006 1:10 PM
Warith Deen Umar will be permitted to leave home for work, medical care and religious services, Judge Robert P. Patterson said.
The call to prayer is 5 times a day! Then off to work, and I suspect he'll need to see his doctor frequently (all the stress, you know?)
This guy under "house arrest" will be away from home more often than most people not incarcerated as such.
Posted by: Xero G at September 29, 2006 1:21 PM
Ironically, nothing less than a terror attack greater in magnitude than 9/11 can wake us out of this stupor.
Posted by: Infidel Pride
One would think 9/11 would have done it, ala Pearl Harbor. Something worse than 9/11 will probably render us all radiation scarred mutants.
No doubt the "peaceful" ones are working on it as we speak.
at September 29, 2006 1:28 PM
When I see American blacks falling for islam...well, I shake my head at the stupidity.
from above.
Muhammed Ali a.k.a. Cashus Clay, got that started, didn't he?
Posted by: americaningermany
Actually, we have Elijah Muhammed to thank for that. He's the guy who helped make Malcolm X famous. You might want to read Malcolm X's autobiography. In it, he describes the Nation of Islam's philosophy (racist, of course). The whole story about Mr. Yakub made me laugh like I never had before or since (Which makes the Koran look mild by comparison) even though it's no joke. Too bad they left that part out of the 1992 movie.
Posted by: ISLAMSFORLOSERS at September 29, 2006 1:35 PM
The Qur'an is an amazing book, and never ceases to surpise and astound in it's sheer self-serving baseness and narrowmindedness. I'm not one for superstition but it's hard to believe any ordinary human mind could have tapped into such a bottomless resovoir of hatred, bigotry and chauvinism as that which fills this truly twisted monstrosity.
Just open the thing at some random page and look for a verse that speaks to you - as one might do with any holy book - and all you can find is depravation, in every sense. I just opened it a sura 3 and within a couple of pages it's cursing Jews and Christians with allah's painful wrath, saying all non-moslems have diseased hearts and repeatedly insulting their honour and integrity... It says, obsesively, that allah is a unitary entity but also says Isa is immaculately concieved, it says Abraham wasn't Jewish and then 'qualifies' it by pointing out he wasn't Christian either, it gives divine authority to moslems to attack non-moslems and inflict allah's most grievous chastisements upon them, absolving them of all responsibility because, basically, allah did it, and allah does what he likes and likes what he does and this, apparently, is the basis of 'islamic theology'...
Truth is, I opened it in good faith, on the off-chance I might happen across a nice bit, some kind, peaceful verses of tolerence and infinite benevolence. I'm sure I'll stumble across them eventually. But not today.
Posted by: Domestos at September 29, 2006 1:46 PM
americaningermany wrote: "When I see American blacks falling for islam...well, I shake my head at the stupidity."
Comments already made are on the mark. I never saw Ameican islamic movemements as anything more than malcontents looking for a way to stick it to 'the man'. Even non-American muslims view them as an odball cult albeit for other reasons.
I suppose their very existence also explains how after generations people still stay with this group probably because they are raised and propagandized to in a seperate reality. Like Hasidism, the Amish, and the global Ummah.
ISLAMSFORLOSERS wrote: "One would think 9/11 would have done it, ala Pearl Harbor"
Agreed.
I sometimes think we are a nation on Prozac and Zoloft and we just don't care anymore, don't even care about potentially life and death situations. Think about that next time you are on the freeway and see the way some people drive
=)
Posted by: GreatShaitan at September 29, 2006 2:38 PM
"Warith Deen Umar will be permitted to leave home for work, medical care and religious services, Judge Robert P. Patterson said."
I have an issue with this skell's punishment: why is he allowed to attend religious services? The Mosque is the festering swamp of hate against America, and what it stands for. It could only interject more rage into this pig's burnt soul.
Oh, those Mosques that rejected him... wouldn't they want to make it known to the rest of the New Yorkers, and Americans that they are against such speech? Well, maybe they did, but I didn't hear about it. Too scared I guess.
Posted by: Gotham at September 29, 2006 3:26 PM
Infidel Pride,
I believe all charges were dropped against Muslim chaplain James Yee:
http://www.cnn.com/2004/LAW/03/19/yee.charges.dropped/index.html
at September 29, 2006 4:13 PM
As a Taliban, teacher, he was merely attampting to convert his neighbors to a more "peaceful" state through the use of superior firepower.
Posted by: GrimReaperxxx at September 29, 2006 5:14 PM
All I can say is, to the judge, keep up the good work, your honor.
Posted by: bigcatgirl13106 at September 29, 2006 7:48 PM
That Cool aid Snowflake judge is a dummy aint he!
Posted by: have_mercy at September 29, 2006 7:55 PM
He should thank God that he is under a Christian (or post-christian) legal system.
Imagine if it would have been the other way round.
But they won't even allow Christian chaplains in Yemen or Iran..
at September 29, 2006 11:53 PM
It's really a shock that he has been banned from another mosque.
This brings to my mind a story I only heard about a year ago about a cop shot in a mosque in 1972. It happened in Harlem where a police officer responded to a distress call by another officer and was shot and killed by a member of Nation of Islam. There was a big cover up following this tragedy and a detective Randy Jurgenson took it upon himself to do his own investigation and wrote a book titled "Circle of Six". I haven't read it yet. It's on my list of books to keep opening my eyes to what we are up against. I've just finished Londonistan which was a lot to take in.
Somehow, these words keep popping up connected to each other: Islam, muslims, mosques, crime, killings, violence... I'll stop now.
at September 30, 2006 12:31 AM
pigtails not veils,
It's important to keep oneself lucid and keep making the connection.
When I read the other day that the CIA had just made the connection between the Coran and terrorism, I got frightened at the sheer incompetence of "intelligence" services. I wonder how could it take so long for them when one of the first items recovered from the 9/11 mass-murderers was precisely a Coran.
I feel that the fate of mankind is in the hands of fools.
Posted by: rocky at September 30, 2006 1:37 AM
You know Rocky, if you are making fun of my screen name it is not going to work. You cannot intimidate me and refer to me as stupid.
at October 1, 2006 1:47 AM
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