HERE'S AN EXCELLENT NEW DOCUMENTARY BY PBS

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/taliban/view/

You can watch it directly online via that link.

Normally, I find PBS a bit to the left, but this time they really pull no punches in talking about The Return of the Taliban

The bad guys are making a comeback, and you can see exactly how they're doing it. A must-see documentary.

Posted by: sanman at October 4, 2006 5:46 PM

God bless John Howard and his government.

In speaking the truth and telling the muslims what is and is not acceptable in Australia, he seems to be bringing in a more moderate voice. and hopefully, practise, in the muslim camp.

But dont hold your breath.

Posted by: dgene at October 4, 2006 5:54 PM

americaningermany

It is sickening all right.Predicted by Robert and many others.

Hilaly doesn't even speak English.

The Prime Minister has said all muslims should learn English.
Perhaps he had this sheik in mind,,plus a few others?

Thankfully Lakemba, the largest mosque here, isn't in my state,,,but the way things are going,,,

Posted by: Gramfan at October 4, 2006 5:56 PM

As one who lives in Sydney, I think that I am in a good position to give you the low down on the Lakemba mosque. This mosque has its equivalent in Preston, Melbourne. I am sure that the other Melbournites know what I mean when I mention the Preston mosque.

I have mentioned in the past that there is a relationship between the Lakemba mosque and the Cronulla riots. As I watched in horror the violence that took place earlier this year, and as I read about the sequence of events, one thing stood out to me. The Muslims who kept the rage going after the Sunday showdown, first attended the Lakemba mosque before they got in their cars and headed to the southern beach suburbs where they went on a rampage of looting, throwing rocks, attempting to rape women, and burning cars.

The Lakemba mosque has also been responsible for certain literature that should be considered seditious, but for some inexplicable reason they have been allowed to get away with having literature that promotes violent jihad.

Wait, there is more. This is the same group that were happy about the deaths at the WTC as well as the deaths of the Australians in the two bomb attacks in Bali. Most of the Muslims arrested on terror charges here in Sydney attend the Lakemba mosque. Willie Brigitte, the terrorist arrested in France or Spain, cannot remember where he was arrested, was a guest of people who attend the Lakemba mosque.

Someone, I am not sure if it is Sheik Hilaly, is in the habit of making certain other pronouncements that are totally anti-Israel, if you get my drift.

Also, there are attendees at this mosque who are in the habit of wearing the clothing that tells us that they are involved in Jihad against western society. Several of them are known to wear the white garb of the jihadists.

We would be fools to ever believe what comes from their lying lips.

Posted by: Maggie4Life at October 4, 2006 6:22 PM

Learning English doesn't make them less dangerous...
Learning English makes them even more dangerous!

To this day the Australian government still supports Islamic centers & Islamic schools, where a strict separation between "US & THEM" is taught, where jihad-war against unbelievers and propaganda against the host country is the standard doctrine, to the tune of
$ 100 million+ annually....

Australia, a country with a mere 20 million people, at present has about 350 000 followers of the Mohammedan faith. Their breeding habits, compared with ours, will bring their numbers to 4 to 5 million in 20/30 years, even if all new immigrants from Islamic countries were stopped here and now...

The only chanced we have for the survival of a free Australia is to reverse Islamic infiltration, is to intern all new Muslim- arrivals and deport them as soon as possible, to stop all welfare-payments to those who wish us harm, to not allow the building of mosques and madrassahs any longer and to make it crystal clear to them that we will enforce a policy of integration and assimilation, that secular values will be enforced and those who disagree may ship out...

Posted by: sheik yer'mami at October 4, 2006 6:39 PM

What a bunch of BS. The ONLY reason I can think of why the govt's. are not acting on these seditious jerks is because they are allowing them to behave that way under surveillance?

In the USA, when one swears allegiance and becomes a citizen, he or she denounces any other allegiances. At least, that's what the 60 or so people I witnessed at their citizenship ceremony last year swore under oath.

I live rural, so can't imagine the hoards of fascists in Islam and their ways. They just don't live out here in redneck land. Thank GOD for rednecks sometimes.

Posted by: soarsa at October 4, 2006 8:02 PM

Are we to be surprised? Nothing these Islamaniacs say or do is surprising anymore. Not only do these cowards issue death threats against "infidels" for pointing out the truth they also can't stand a simple truth from within either. The totalitarian monsters of the past would envy this bunch for the way they clamp down on truth and free speech.

Posted by: ISLAMSFORLOSERS at October 4, 2006 9:10 PM

"I think it's critical that Islam is presented to Australian Muslims in an Australian context."

Then wouldn't that involve getting the Muslims to a bar or pub? How does he plan to manage that?

Posted by: non-redneck at October 4, 2006 9:30 PM

I'd sure like to see one Western country defiled by Islamaniacs try the experiment of kicking them all out and keeping them out. Any chance of Australia trying this?

Posted by: ISLAMSFORLOSERS at October 4, 2006 9:45 PM

Now that I know Australia has sold out democracy for thirty pieces of Chinese silver, I am finding it a bit difficult to care about the place anymore.

Any country that sells out democracy is on my sh* t list. As I say, those who don't defend democracy don't deserve to live in one.

I am beginning to feel that are friends down under are failing western civiliation.

Posted by: pythagoras at October 4, 2006 10:46 PM

Pythagoras: "Now that I know Australia has sold out democracy for thirty pieces of Chinese silver, I am finding it a bit difficult to care about the place anymore."

How precisely has Australia 'sold out democracy'? In fact, Muslim organisations in Australia get away with very little in comparison to the antics of CAIR in the US - and we wont even mention how far the UK and Europe have gone down the dhimmi road.

Muslims in Australia have been warned several times by John Howard and his ministers to either accept Australian values or leave the country. They have also been told that sharia law will never happen. Have George Bush, Tony Blair or the European leaders ever made such statements? I dont think so.

Posted by: Deecha at October 5, 2006 3:33 AM

Ameer Ali and Hilaly are merely arguing over how best to subdue and dominate the Australian infidels, full blown takiyya, or takiyya lite. So far Ameer's charade is winning because he looks western, and pretends to criticize his religion. The other charlatan, Hilaly, needs to improve his 'moderate' act because no ones buying it.

It does gives me a warm and fuzzy feeling to know my tax dollars are funding these creepy bastards and their followers. I'm sure future generations will thanks us for supporting a genocidal cult, while they are busy fighting a civil war against mohamedians.

I'm wondering, how bad will it have to get in over in Europe before our own leaders here get a clue.

Posted by: Mr Krabs at October 5, 2006 8:12 AM

payingattention:

Are you verbally assailing me because I would dare question Australia's newfound loyalty to Red China? or merely because you disagree? or possibly because you know I am telling a truth you don't care to face up to?

You may or may not be an Autralian, but it really doesn't make any difference.

My aim is to make you hotter under the collar, so read on, champ.

Australia presently has a much closer relationship with Red China than with the USA. It has motioned to scrap ANZUS or at least renegotiate it to bring it line with its new relationship with Red China (which could help put taiwan at risk of a military invasion). So far, so good. All this has been reported in political journals everywhere.

BUT polls taken recently in Australia also indicate that the majority of Autralians believe that the United States poses a greater threat to world peace than Islam does. These poll results have been published worldwide so I know they're true. In fact, Australia has recently registered a strong rise in anti-American sentiment that directly parallels Red China's penetration of Australian society. This is not the only place that this phenomena has been reported. China is clearly mounting propaganda campaigns to undermine America in Australia and elsewhere. Australians are falling for it hook, line, and sinker. Anti-American websites are plentiful in Australia (and I suspect new Zealand too).Such sites may be plentiful elsewhere, but Australia has claimed to be such a friend of our. I have been shown at least one of these websites myself.

And yet, Red China itself poses a terrible threat to world peace and Americans have called it on this. It is Red China(and also to be fair Russia, another newfound anti-American Chinese ally) that has supplied such hostile Islamic nations like Iran with high-tech weaponry to wage jihad against the west with. In addition, China continues to pour vast amounts of petro-dollars (or yuan) into Sudan, cash which no doubt is being used to ramp up its genocidal jihad campaigns against non-Muslims there. How friendly could a country that does things like this at this point in history really be???

China also at present pours vast amounts into Venezuela and Cuba, current arch-enemies of democracy. At home, China persecutes Christians in large numbers. Red China remains staunchly Communist and resistant to calls for democracy. America at least has defended democracy when called upon. Do Australians really think China will do the same when it is a Communist state?

You will rightly mention that Americans do much business with Red China. BUT, Americans have never considered China to be a friend of theirs which it is NOT. Americans have politically distanced themselves from China and suspect that if Red China could, it would attack and decimate America to bolster their global position (which it probably would).

Does Australia's closeness to CRed China make it part of the global jihad problem? You tell me, paying attention. Why wouldn't it??

It is doubtful that Autralians will be calling China on any of these things soon, if ever. By remaining as close to Red China as it now is, it is a fair question to ask of Australians what kind of commitment to democracy and human rights do they really have?

The answer is clear. Very little.

It is clear: Australia was bought by Red China.

And I think the world ought to be disappointed with the place. I am.

payingattention: make of that what you want. The facts remain the facts.

Hurl those invectives!!!! I won't lose any sleep over them.

Posted by: pythagoras at October 5, 2006 3:09 PM

Pythaogoras

Neither do I lose any sleep against your ignorant and ill informed remarks. Firstly, yes I am Australian in Australia.. lucky me indeed! Secondly, I am very pro american and will always be.. Thirdly, I mostly agree with your remarks about Australia's attitude to China, and some of the surveys which have been published.

What I dont agree with you on, is your conclusion that this somehow makes Australia a pro Jihad country. Hello.. this is JIHAD watch? If you want CHINAWATCH Maybe you should consider the room down the hall. Ive seen complainers like you on this site spouting fear about China, Mexico and even Canada. Oh please. The reality is that in Australia NO we wont always agree with USA or any other country for that matter, we will make our friends as we as a nation see fit. But the facts are that the rest of the western world can and should pay attention to the approach the Australian leadership is taking in dealing with Islamists.

Your worthless tripe about oh how evil China is and how awful Australia is for having a relationship with a country that some in USA wont approve of, then trying to make some vague connection to Jihad really does belong on some anti china and anti Australia site so why dont you google and find those.

Posted by: payingattention at October 5, 2006 4:51 PM

payingattention:

At no point did I use "pro-jihad' and 'Australia' in the same sentence. Go look. That isn't the point being made.

First off, Communism and jihadists have had a known relationship that stretches back for decades. Russia and China BOTH have played the role of handmaiden to Islamic terror over recent decades, as documented in the non-fiction work, "NETWORK OF TERROR" by Claire Sterling. All Communist countries are likely to have links to Islamic terrorism. That includes China.

What in effect has happened in recent years regarding Australia, is that Australians have "seen fit" (your words) to align themselves with Red China-- a Communist country whose government is anti-Christian, anti-democratic, anti-western and anti-American. At no point did I call China 'evil'. That is not what I think.

But China, in its bid to become a global power, IS committing evil in our world by arming jihadist states like Iran with high-tech weaponry, pouring billions into also a known backer of jihad as can be seen in its dealings with Iran. And, like it or not, Australia's forming an alliance with Red China makes Australia COMPLICIT with jihad whether or not it is conscious of it. And this undermines Australia's efforts to combat jihad as well as Iran, with the help of China, is behind the slaughter of non-Muslims in many areas of the world (Iran controls Hizbollah, the world' largest terrorist organization). The Australian government is playing a two-faced game, mate. They cannot play it both ways. If they play ball with a country that backs jihad they cannot claim they are anti-jihadist. Now--

Do you personally believe that Autralia should be aligning itself with a country that is heavily financing jihadist genocide in Sudan??? The Sudanese government has slaughtered three million Sudanese in a jihad begun in 1983??? Do you want anything to do with this? Like it or not, China is financing this war (which is also backed by Iran incidentally) and there is no public outcry coming from Australians. Claiming they are unaware of this does not exonerate them!

Unfortunately if you see fit to support a strong alliance with China you are doing just that whether you admit it or not.

And did it ever occur to you that China, by backing jihad, could be waging war against democracy? If that DOES prove to be the case, it would be fair again to ask what is Australia's commitment to democracy?

Go ahead see fit to align yourselves with ed China. I can do the math even if you can't.

Posted by: pythagoras at October 5, 2006 10:19 PM

Pythagoras,

Your comments puzzle me. What is this Red China - Australia "strong alliance" you speak of? Australia has trade deals with China, many nations do, is this your gripe?

Don't bite my head off, just explain without the invective what the problem is as you see it.

Posted by: Ozi_bloke at October 5, 2006 10:58 PM

Pythagoras - "I .. Australia has recently registered a strong rise in anti-American sentiment that directly parallels Red China's penetration of Australian society."

Nonsense. There has always been a loud mouthed leftie anti-American group in Australia, from the time of the Vietnam War. They are the same people who constitute the Howard-haters and many belong to the MSM so their voice in the media is huge. The rise of China has absolutely nothing to do with their anti-Americanism. If you lived in Australia, you would know that most Australians are very wary of China and its intentions, although they support closer trade contacts.

As for Australia's support of democracy - we are one of the most democratic countries in the world and we have fought in two world wars to defend that position. Dont lose sleep over us, Australians wont be rolling over for Islamic religious fanatics any time soon.

Australia also has trade deals with Indonesia, a country where radical Islam is on the rise - should we scrap those because Indonesia is a posible danger to the world?

Posted by: Deecha at October 6, 2006 12:49 AM

Pythagorus is just a troll trying to stir Australians up. Must be our turn I guess. He denies making an accusation then says exactly that in the same sentence. Another one of these idiots who think they know something about some country and want to spout nonsense. I told him the facts he has all he needs to wake up and worry about his own country.

Posted by: payingattention at October 6, 2006 1:05 AM

payingattention "idiots who think they know something about some country"

I was stunned at the assumption by Pythagoras that Australians are somehow the victims of Chinese propaganda - it is so laughable that I couldnt help responding.

Anyone who knows anything about Australia knows that:

1. Australians have an innate fear of being invaded by hordes of Asians and are suspicious of China, Indonesia, etc. There was a huge public debate not long ago concerning Australians' alarm at the numbers of Asian immigrants - we are the last people on earth who would fall for 'Chinese propaganda'.

2. There has been a vociferous anti-American clique for decades, but their views do not represent the views of most Australians - otherwise, John Howard wouldnt have been voted into power so many times.

Posted by: Deecha at October 6, 2006 5:21 AM

payingattention: you couldn't get that lucky. And by the way, you show clear signs of being a world-class bully: those who disagree with you get subjected to absolutely vicious name-calling and poisonous innuendos in the hopes that you will succeed in shouting them down. You won't get succeed with that at this website, matie. And by the way, with regards to this topic of discussion: it's YOUR FUNERAL, bloke. Not mine.

You have NOT succeeded in your intention of getting me to back down or disappear. If I was merely wrong there would be no fuss--you would simply dismiss what I have said and that would be the end of the matter. Since that is not what happened, I must have hit a nerve. Which means somewhere in there I found the truth. And YOU are the one who has succeeded in convincing me of that. Remember that old Shakespearian verse: "Methinks the lady doth protest too much." It still has validity.

I am still 100% convinced the Australian government is making a serious mistake in forming any political alliances with with Red China. The fact that it has done so for economic reasons makes it all the more suspect. I trust India, but not China.

I will reiterate: it is troubling that Australia would form political alliances with a hard core Communist country whose government 1-) has nuclear weapons aimed at other countries including America 2-)invests heavily in regimes like Sudan that are openly massacring millions of their own people 3-)is documented to have massacred more than 70 million of its own people during the purges of 1949 and during the Cultural Revolution in the 1960s--the Chinese party still runs China hence the term Red China 4-)supplies vast amounts of high-tech weaponry to nations like Iran that have openly stated their intentions to USE them in jihad warfare. In fact, Iran is believed to be dangerous enough to succeed in its stated ambitions of igniting a global conflict and this would be at least partly China's doing. Before you guffaw with another snottily catty put-down be aware that this has been documented at Jihad Watch in numerous articles that have been reprinted here. I value THEM over anything you have to say.

By supplying Islamic countries notably Iran and Syria with military means to implement jihad warfare, China is openly undermining the war on terror and is partly undoing the work that Australia is attempting in this field. Australia is not the only country to undermine its own counter-terrorism efforts, but Australians should at least be aware that some of their policies are having this effect.

America would have been free to align itself with Nazi Germany during the 1930s, would it not if it 'saw fit'? But, what would the moral implications of that have been?? Would Australians have respected THAT??? If you said no, the same case against Australia aligning itself with Red China applies here. Iran, with unstinting support from China and Russia, could easily start a war that could dwarf World War II as it now possesses the weaponry and support from other Islamic nations to do so. WOuld lucratice trade with China be worth Australia's loss of moral credibility in such a case??

You do the math. And we hope Australians do not wake up one day in the future to find themselves living under an Asiatic Communist dictatorship.

All the claims in the world that China has not driven a wedge between Australia and the United States don't really wash: this dispute proves such a wedge now exists and it is China that put it there.

Australia would have better luck aligning itself politically with India than China. India at least is a democracy.

Posted by: pythagoras at October 6, 2006 2:00 PM

Deecha:

Australia should put Indonesia on notice ASAP and if it fails to comply, Australia should absolutely cancel its trade relations with Indonesia. You see--

Indonesia is conducting a genocidal anti-Christianity campaign on its soil. It is barbaric and unacceptable. I know this partly through the postings of an Indonesian guy using the alias name of "Infidel in Indonesia" who from time to time communicates with me and others at this site. However, as this man is not the only source I have learned about this from I know he's not making it up.

Infidel in Indonesia is a good guy. I felt terrible when I read his first-hand accounts of what it is like to be Christian in Indonesia nowadays and what the Indonesian armed forces and government (same thing) are doing to Christians there.

If I were an Australian I would not abide by the blithe assumption that all trade with Indonesia is beneficial--not with the Indonesian armed forces behaving the way they have been recently.

Posted by: pythagoras at October 6, 2006 2:25 PM

Deecha: If you have a 'Socialist' party in your country your country is probably getting propaganda from China without even knowing it. Socialism is repackaged Communism.

In the United States we found Chinese propagandists were using a front organization called 'ANSWER' the organizers of this group which was sponsoring pro-illegal immigration into America demonstrations were directly in touch with the Communist Party in China. 'ANSWER' billed itself as a Socialist organization. Until I read exposes about this group it would not have occurred to me that Chinese Communist propaganda would find its way to America But it did.

It's happened here. I'm sure it's been happening down under too.

Since The 'Socialist movement' is really Communism and is worldwide in operations Australia has probably been getting infiltrated by the Communist movement for as along as Socialism itself has been there.

So laugh yourself into a tizzy.

Posted by: pythagoras at October 6, 2006 2:40 PM

Like I said.. just a troll...

Posted by: payingattention at October 6, 2006 6:31 PM

Pythagoras - Australia has always had a rabid Commie faction - eg The Australian Wharf Labourers Union - but their political views stemmed from The Great Depression rather than from Red Chinese propaganda (although they did forge close ties with China).

I am not denying the presence in Australia of Socialism/Communism or fans of China - my point is that these are the views of the minority. Socialists and Commie-supporters do not vote a conservative government into power four times in a row, as Australians have done.

Posted by: Deecha at October 7, 2006 1:55 AM

Pythagoras,

My earlier question remains unanswered. What is this "strong alliance" you imagine exists between Australia & China?

Posted by: Ozi_bloke at October 7, 2006 2:49 AM

osi-bloke: It's showung up in the Australian government's foreign polices. There has been recent pressure to scrap ANZUS or else bring it in line with Australia's new trade relations with China. I noticed that few Australians who responded to my original post believed that China is under-writing jihadist governments in Sudan and Iran (which it is). Given that this is now emerging as a global crisis one must wonder how Australians missed that.

Let me put it this way, when Australians polled admit to having a higher opinion of China(not a democracy) than the the United States (which not only IS a democracy but has fought to prserve it) we have to wonder what is really going on and where this is heading. Why anyone would think Americans are a greater threat to the world than Islam is baffling. Who put ideas like that into Australians' heads? It wasn't us over here.

Posted by: pythagoras at October 7, 2006 8:18 PM

Thought this was an anti jihad site not a "boo hoo more people like others than us".

So ridiculous...

Posted by: payingattention at October 7, 2006 9:54 PM