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From AP:
ZABUL: A Taliban commander said in an interview that insurgent fighters will battle "Christian" troops until they leave Afghanistan and an Islamic fundamentalist government is established in Kabul, warning that hundreds of militants are ready to launch suicide attacks to again install strict Islamic law.
The regional-level commander, Mulla Nazir Ahmed Hamza, said the Taliban still has thousands of fighters despite NATO reports of heavy losses in recent battles, that support for the hardline movement is increasing every day and that US and NATO forces would have a tough time beating the fighters without air support.
"We want an Islamic state and Islamic law," Hamza told The Associated Press while sitting next to a dozen armed fighters in Afghanistan’s southern mountains over the weekend. "We don’t want the Americans or any other Christians." "As a Muslim it’s my duty, I have to fight and I have to carry out jihad against the Americans until they leave."
Hamza said Taliban fighters were moving from province to province to launch ambushes -- roadside and suicide bombs -- against Western and Afghan security forces. He said fighters by the hundreds are ready to launch suicide ttacks. "Whenever the mujahideen are preparing for jihad, it means they made a decision to sacrifice their lives," Hamza said while sitting next to an isolated mud compound in Zabul province. "Whenever we need a suicide attack, (I will) give my life and that day will be the luckiest day of my life," he continued. "I am always ready to carry out a suicide attack against the Americans and their allies."
A spokesman for Karzai changes the subject, avoiding any mention of the infidel casualties Hamza aspires to inflict:
A spokesman for President Hamid Karzai said Afghanistan’s Constitution specifically spells out that no Afghan laws can contradict Islam. "Killing a Muslim is against Islam. Exploding a bomb and killing innocent Afghans in Kabul is against Islam. How can (they) say (they) are a Muslim?" said Khaleeq Ahmed. "The Afghan people are the poorest and most devoted Muslims in the world."
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Hamza said the fighters do not get paid, though Western military officials and analysts say many Taliban fighters are villagers who fight only for a paycheck, anywhere from $5 to $10 a day, a decent sum in Afghanistan. Police and teachers make only $70 per month, by comparison. "They are saying that we are getting money to fight," Hamza said. "It’s all rumours that the Americans and our government are spreading. We are mujahideen. We are just fighting for our country, for Islam."
Posted by Marisol at October 11, 2006 7:24 AM
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This meant to be funny, clever, deeply offensive, critical and highly polictal.
It is trying to use a series of transparant metaphors to make a series of serious points.
Free expression rules, use it or lose it.
I hope you enjoying reading it as much as I did writing it.
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I insult Islam.
I lean out the window and shout: “Shut up with that noise you stupid old dog, I am trying to sleep!”
But my neighbours, the owners of Islam, Sunny and Cher, they don't care.
They tell me that in Arabic the literal translation of “Islam” is “submission”, and if “Faith”, “Hope” and “Charity” are good names for a girl, “Submission” is a good name for a dog.
They are always trying to convince me that he is a peaceful and loving dog. But to me, if he is not barking or whining, he is howling at the moon; along with all the other dogs in the street. All these dog lovers claim that their dogs can can see spirits, the supernatural, and this is what causes them to howl.
It would be nice to say that Islam's bark is worse than it's bite, but he does keep on biting people, and when he does bite, he bites hard. On the London transport system he bit over 50 people in a single day. He has been even more badly behaved in other countries.
Sunny and Cher both tell me that anyone that is bitten by Islam, probably deserved it. Especially those people donated money to organisations that attempted to round up mad dogs from the streets and put them in kennels to stop them from harming others, as this association tarnishes their innocence and makes them legitimate targets.
Islam has been multiplying, and some of the younger males pups are surprisingly dangerous, yet bizarrely Sunny and Cher only muzzle the bitches. Sunny and Cher tell me that some of the bitches are so well trained now that they want to be muzzled and whine if they are not.
Myself and my other neighbours all agree that it is about time that Islam was castrated or put down. Together we have written to the local council, who has sent Sunny and Cher a court order informing them that the behaviour of their dog is not acceptable and that they must take action. However each time they try and deliver this message, Islam bites the messenger and Sunny and Cher do nothing.
When I try and discuss this with them, they tell me he needs a bigger and elaborate kennel, preferably in my garden as this will appease him and keep me from harm. They also tell me that even though he has a beautiful temperament and loves other dogs, he is much happier in big dedicated spaces without them around. Lastly he needs special dog days to relax on and lick his balls. He really loves to lick his balls and this is why he cannot be separated from them.
Other than the noise and the biting, I am fed up with him crapping in my garden. I think that Sunny and Cher should train their dog by rubbing it nose in it's crap and teaching it to acknowledge its sins. But they think their dog is already perfect and I ought learn to love it as it is, I should allow it to wander my house and let it to sleep in my bed, if it wants to.
I really don't know what to do.
Posted by: Moderation_is_key![[TypeKey Profile Page]](http://www.jihadwatch.org/nav-commenters.gif)
at October 11, 2006 7:56 AM
We are mujahideen. We are just fighting for our country, for Islam."
And to get lucky.
at October 11, 2006 8:07 AM
This meant to be funny, clever, deeply offensive, critical and highly polictal
Posted by: Moderation_is_key at October 11, 2006 07:56 AM
You have done well.
As to the article: This is why filling Gitmo is pointless. Mow them down where you find them. No quarter given, no prisoners taken.
Posted by: ISLAMSFORLOSERS at October 11, 2006 8:42 AM
Hamza sez: "Whenever we need a suicide attack, (I will) give my life and that day will be the luckiest day of my life,"
Why are you still alive? Talk is cheap...
This guy has no intention of blowing himself up.
He has no intention of being 'that' lucky. But just the same I wish him rots of ruck.
at October 11, 2006 8:43 AM
Attempting to transform the wild west of Afghanistan is much too expensive, much too depleting, of Western resources -- not as much as is Iraq, but is simply the same kind of innocent belief in the mutability of Muslim man that pays insufficient attention to the permanent hold of Islam, and what it means for the West. Resources are limited. Men, materiel, attention, morale. They have been squandered, in Afghanistan, as in Iraq. The belief that Afghanistan must be held directly by Western troops, that it is a case either of keeping those troops, and at the same time curing poverty or remaking, at horrific expense, the hopelessly backward (hopelessly backward, begining with all those bombed-out girls' scholls, becuase of Islam) country of Afghanistan (do not confuse the smooth Karzai, with his Western experience and connections, or a handful of others at the top, with the tribes of Afghanistan, and do not confuse, either, the Afghan-Americans who are involved in "reconstruction" hopes and schemes and dreams who are similarly entirely unrepresentative of the real Afghanistan that Infidel countries must keep steadily in mind).
Have as little to do directly with Muslim states as possible. No more messianism. No more spending of American or NATO funds. Let Saudi Arabia be put on the spot, be forced to share with the less fortunate Afghani Muslims, fellow members of the Umma. Let the Camp of Islam take care, if it so chooses, of its own. Stop enouraging the Karzais of this world to talk wistfully of how they wish they could have that $300 billion spent in Iraq spent, rather, on them -- tell them to stop counting on the Americans or other Infidels, and if they wish, to go hat in hand to fellow members of the Umma.
In Afghanistan, there is no need, and it would be impossible, to patrol the entire country. The notion that somehow the place is indispoensable to Al Qaeda is nonsense. Al Qaeda operatives can train, are training, in Pakistan, or for that matter, Al Qaeda sympathizers, those who have the same goals, prompted by the same texts, can train with Hezbollah in southern Lebanon, or with Hamas in Gaza, or with Jemaah Islamiyya on this or that Indonesian isle, or with Gemaah Islmayyah in a village in Lower Egypt, or with Jaish-e-Muhammad almost anywhere they choose in huge Pakistan. The American government seems to believe that because Al Qaeda once had camps in Afghanistan, that is the only place it can have camps. And it further seems to belive that Al Qaeda is the only or main terrorist threat. But they are all threats, and furthermore, terrorism is not the most effecdtive weapon in the Jihad.
All of this needs somehow to penetrate the seemingly impenetrable skulls of official Washington.
Fight From Afar -- Telemachy -- should be the motto. Supply now this ruthless warlord, and now that. When necessary, enter the country intermittently, keeping enemies under surveillance and always off-guard.
Each character in Homer had his Homeric epithet. There was grey-eyed Athena. There was rosy-fingered Dawn. And there was wily Odysseus. And wily Odysseus, the man who always used his brain, had a son. Telemachus. Telemachy. Fighting From Afar. Do It. With Islam, stop the messianism, and Fight From Afar. Bottle up the Camp of Islam, to the extent possible, and exploit, to the greatest extent possible, the sectarian, ethnic, and economic divisions that so exploitably divide the Camp of Islam.
And then turn the attention of Infidels to the instruments of Jihad other than Terror. Start with those campaigns of Da'wa, and the demogrpahic conquest that has already made the countries of Western Europe much more unpleasant, expensive, and physically dangerous than they would be without a large-scale Muslim presence.
Let Muslims, wherever possible, fight Muslims. And fight, not in Tel Afar, but From Afar.
Telemachy. Telemachus. Wily Odysseus.
Posted by: Hugh at October 11, 2006 8:46 AM
FYI - Taliban literally said same thing 9 months ago in January 2006:
Taliban say 'hundreds' of suicide attackers ready
Reuters
01/18/2006
By Saeed Ali Achakzai
http://www.e-ariana.com/ariana/eariana.nsf/allDocs/1408557597372D52872570FA00478C92?OpenDocument
at October 11, 2006 8:53 AM
http://www.zaman.com/?bl=international&alt=&hn=37110
French State pays mosque.
Posted by: Tautalos at October 11, 2006 9:09 AM
War declaration against the world, particularly against America, at Mecca:
http://www.france-echos.com/actualite.php?cle=10455
Posted by: Tautalos at October 11, 2006 9:12 AM
How many of these scumbags were at that funeral which the Pentagon lawyers decided not to bomb?
Posted by: george_rem at October 11, 2006 9:19 AM
First time commenter here, love the site and greatly appreciate what you are all doing to try to save our civilisation.
Seems to me that when Afghan Law cannot contradict islam (stated by Karzai) then it is a hopeless situation and our troops should come home. What is the point of a democracy when the country is inevitably tied to the muslim insanity? We are wasting our time.
Posted by: LancashireUK at October 11, 2006 9:22 AM
First time commenter here, love the site and greatly appreciate what you are all doing to try to save our civilisation.
Seems to me that when Afghan Law cannot contradict islam (stated by Karzai) then it is a hopeless situation and our troops should come home. What is the point of a democracy when the country is inevitably tied to the muslim insanity? We are wasting our time.
Posted by: LancashireUK at October 11, 2006 09:22 AM
Welcome!
I agree with you and Hugh-if a country wants to fight against progress then it's best to leave and let these crazies wipe each other out. But until the West pulls out its troops it shouldn't waste a single minute taking prisoners. The only jihadist that's not dangerous is a dead one. Wipe out as many as possible.
Posted by: ISLAMSFORLOSERS at October 11, 2006 9:31 AM
Moderation_is_key
Re: the dog named Islam. I have a feeling the dog is acting neurotically because you have not taken it to Jerusalem to crap on a couple of holy places. Muhammad, after all, rode his donkey to Jerusalem so it could crap on holy sites there and I think your neighbor's dog is jealous.
Take a night flight to Ben Gurion with Islam the dog and from Tel Aviv it's about a one-hour cab ride to Jerusalem, El Quds. Let it run wild and crap all over the place and I guarantee it will be content.
Posted by: Ynkedoodl2 at October 11, 2006 9:34 AM
Re: Afghanistan
Only a spoiled boy-billionaire, son of a construction magnate, like Osama the clown bin laden, would gleefully and obsessively plot the destruction of the WTC skyscrapers.
But that was only part of his plot. The headlong rush of the world's last superpower into the black hole of Afghanistan was part two.
"Waste blood and treasure, Great Satan! Flush it down the toilet of Afghanistan. BWAAHAAHAAHAAA!"
Our dhim-witted President's headlong rush into Irag was an unexpected benefit for Osama and Co. The cherry on top of the sundae.
Not only are our present policies in Afghanistan and Iraq a mistake, they will be pointed to by future historians as the greatest foreign policies disasters in the history of the U.S.A.
Posted by: Ynkedoodl2 at October 11, 2006 9:44 AM
the Bush administration is investing $10 million to expand Yasser Arafat’s old Force 17 from 3,500 to 6,500 men and equip them with arms, a fleet of vehicles - some armored – and communications systems. The Americans have also hired Palestinian contractors to upgrade the Palestinian Jericho facility as a central training base and the Palestinian Authority’s most modern military installation. Training and living conditions will be on a par with Israel’s special operations forces’ installations. Palestinian security officers will act as instructors under the guidance of British military personnel.
Quick George! Grab some cash, say $25 million (give or taken $10 million) from those stupid American taxpayers who don’t want jobs and let’s fork it over to Hamza!
Hamza said Taliban fighters were moving from province to province to launch ambushes -- roadside and suicide bombs -- against Western and Afghan security forces
We need to equip and modernize the Taliban facilities and have the British train them how to use our new weapons so they can shoot our troops easier just like you are doing in Jericho.
Maybe we should shell out another $25 million to Hamas for uhhh, errr, uhhh – heck just give ‘em the cash we’ll figure out why later!
George, let me tell you as directly as I can – YOU ARE AN IDIOT!!!
(No insult to idiots in general intended)
Will someone who wants to defeat the enemy, an has an IQ slightly higher than that of a fungus, PLEASE RUN FOR OFFICE IN THE UNITED STATES???!!!
at October 11, 2006 9:48 AM
"The Afghan people are the poorest and most devoted Muslims in the world."
The connection speaks for itself.
Posted by: McCain2008 at October 11, 2006 10:09 AM
I wonder if that Taliban commander was amongst those 200 or so mourners at that Taliban funeral which was photographed by a drone - those 200 who we didn't finish off with missiles because of politically correct rules of engagement where 'we don't bomb funerals, mosques or cemeteries'.
Posted by: Spirit Of 1683 at October 11, 2006 10:23 AM
Hugh,LancashireUK and Islamsforlosers,
I totally agree! Pull out the troops but then we should contribute to the fight against the Taliban by bombing raids. Fighting guerilla warfare or on the ground fighting only gives them the advantage. We are technically superior but their mindset in fighting is superior. They have no moral conscience and the only rule of engagement they have is kill everything even if it means killing themselves. The only way to fight them is with bombing raids. Take our troops out and let the planes do what they were designed to do. Bomb everything that moves. They hate us and want us all dead or converted so don't be shy about bombing cemetaries and mosques, especially during Friday Jumu'ah. After the war is won then apologize. Let the Afghan troops fight the ground war. Same thing in Iraq. Pull everyone out and start bombing raids again. Canada's changed it's Prime Minister for the good so with American, British, Canadian, Australian and maybe some EU's like Italian and German (France would sooner surrender)squadrons blowing up stuff, we cut back on our troop losses which will win points back at home. Car bombers and suicide splodydopes can't destroy planes. Staying way above the ground keeps us out of contact with the Koranimals.
I agree also that filling Gitmo is pointless. It's already the biggest Al-Qaeda terrorist cell in the world now. The staff should take an extended lunch while a bomb "accidently" goes off and kills the whole lot of terrorists. If a prisoner can't cough up any good intel within 24 hours then kill them. Sending them to Gitmo and other prisons is just wasting taxpayers money.
at October 11, 2006 10:26 AM
Personally, I could care less if a country wants to be ruled by a bunch of 7th century mental cases-if that's what they want, so be it. I"d much rather have our troops back home where they belong than trying to give these idiots a nation that they don't want. Leave the zoos to the animals.
The problem is once these lunatics take over these cesspools they then stir up trouble in the West. What needs to be done here is lots of profiling, deport terrorist scum (or at least jail them), control immigration (we didn't let millions of Commies immigrate here during the Cold War, did we?) and quit building all these mosques (closing a few existing ones would be a good idea too). Once these measures are enacted then we can leave the toilets to the turds. Unfortunately, I don't see any politicians from any party ready, willing or able to enact such measures. That's why we're stuck in these quagmires where at best a lot of those people simply could care less who runs the place. Where's a Churchill when we need him most?
Posted by: ISLAMSFORLOSERS at October 11, 2006 10:29 AM
Why can't we find leaders (military as well as political) that are willing to fight to win? If FDR and Truman had this attitude of follow the rules of engagement, don't hurt civilians (that voted for and supported Hitler and/or Hirohito) we'd still be fighting them.
Dresden, Berlin, Hiroshima, Nasgasaki etc. were terrible losses of civilians and infrastructure, but we won the war. And for the past 50 years Germany and Japan have been strong, prosperpous allies and democracies.
What the hell is wrong with fighting to win?
Posted by: walterc at October 11, 2006 10:40 AM
Let our troops shoot!!! Forget the p.c. crap, if they aren't allowed to shoot, get 'em out and push the button. This is survival, I don't care who gets offended. I know a bunch of people are gonna whine about the nuke 'em mentality, but, who would you rather? Us or them.
Posted by: americanmadestrat at October 11, 2006 10:45 AM
Let Muslims, wherever possible, fight Muslims.
Posted by: Hugh at October 11, 2006 08:46 AM
Ah, that Iran-Iraq War was truly a great one. Two evil bastards fighting it out to the death. A no-lose situation for all us infidels. A pity it lasted only 8 years. And Allah must have been mighty pleased too, with all that blood being spilled in his name and all those martys coming to visit. I wonder if someone could arrange a little conflict between Iran and Saudi Arabia?
This might sound horrible, but Hugh is indeed right.
Posted by: ISLAMSFORLOSERS at October 11, 2006 11:18 AM
A spokesman for President Hamid Karzai said
Killing a Muslim is against Islam. Exploding a bomb and killing innocent Afghans in Kabul is against Islam.
[Yawn]. But if they are not true Muslims, if they do not belong to the same sect as you, if they differ from you in some obscure point of theological dogma, then they are neither "Muslim" nor "innocent" and Allah sanctions their torture and murder. Siwey Spokesman, Murda is for Muswims.
Hugh said
Attempting to transform the wild west of Afghanistan is much too expensive, much too depleting, of Western resources
But even if it were easy and inexpensive to transform Afghanistan into a productive society and a regional power, why would we want to? We would just be enabling them to hit us harder next time. In case the Administration needs a reminder, this is the country that harbored the masterminds of the 9/11 attacks. They are killing our soldiers today. The people have voted to reinstitute sharia law. The Taliban again controls the majority of the country. Why are we helping them in any way?
witness said
(No insult to idiots in general intended)
None taken.
Posted by: special_guest at October 11, 2006 11:42 AM
Hey Hugh,
You must be a democrat, according to Dubya. "You get out before the job is done, that's cut and run," says the President. And the only people calling for "cut and run" are the democrats, according to Dubya.
"If we leave before the job is done, the enemy will follow us here," saith Dubya.
Posted by: Ynkedoodl2 at October 11, 2006 11:43 AM
No Ynkedoodl2, Hugh says that there is violence in the world of Islam, therefore he is an Islamophobe, therefore he is a far-right-wing-wacko, because only far-right-wing-wackos say that there is violence in the world of Islam. So sayeth The Media.
Posted by: special_guest at October 11, 2006 11:48 AM
This might sound horrible, but Hugh is indeed right.
Posted by: ISLAMSFORLOSERS
Damn straight he is.
This idea of the West (primarily the U.S.) being a saviour for Islamic hellholes by setting up democracies is ludicrous.
The West's approach in Iraq and Afghanistan remind me of someone trying to clean up a wasp's nest by hitting it(just hard enough to rile the wasps) with sticks.
President Bush and his advisors are still, as apparently are most of our leaders, unbelievably, totally ignorant of Islam.
Five years after 9/11 and most(all?) are still clueless about Islam...incredible.
This might sound strange coming from a Christian such as myself but we need to regain some toughness and brains and lose this soooo superior benevolent, light-unto-the-world bullshit FAST.
It is suicidal to deal with a murderous creed such as Islam in a civilized manner.
Islam is Satanic and barbarous and must be treated as such.
Use every Machiavellian trick in the book and isolate ourselves from the murderous insanity of Islam.
Quarantine it and fight it from afar.
Stop Muslim immigration to the West.
Outlaw Islam in the West as a death cult.
Demolish all mosques in the West.
Deport all Muslims to the Islamic cesspool of their choice.
at October 11, 2006 12:12 PM
I agree with other contributors that this war
should be conducted from the air only and more
intensly than previously.
How many F16`s,Apache Gunships,Harriers or "daisycutter" bombs does the Taleban have?
I am also fed up hearing that the Russian army
were defeated in Afghanistan , thier heart wasn`t
in it.
Everyone said the Warsaw Pact forces would
defect en masse during any conflict with the west.
at October 11, 2006 12:19 PM
Hey Allah, better make some more space! A lot more "martyrs" will be arriving soon.
Posted by: ISLAMSFORLOSERS at October 11, 2006 12:59 PM
"The luckiest day of my life"
If I were a Special Ops guy in Afganistan, I would make it a point to say "Today is your lucky day" everytime I nailed one of those bastards.
The US Army just changed their advertising motto from "Army of One" to something else ( I forget exactly). They should change it to "Helping muslims get lucky since 2001"
Posted by: Mr Ape Pig at October 11, 2006 1:24 PM
How about..." assisting jihadis with their plans for the future..since 2001 " ?? Just a thought.
Posted by: pismopal at October 11, 2006 1:44 PM
May their enemies detonate those hundreds long before they have any chance to harm coalition troops or civilians. And may Mullah Omar quickly meet his 72 Virginians.
Posted by: Kepha at October 11, 2006 5:40 PM
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