I must have missed something because I thought only Asian youths did this sort of thing.

Posted by: Ronin at October 16, 2006 8:56 PM

Give them some more Muslim holidays. That might calmn them down enough.

Better scratch that-Ramadan has shown otherwise.
Maybe renaming the country Hollandistan will help them feel more at home.

Posted by: ISLAMSFORLOSERS at October 16, 2006 8:58 PM

No, you didn't miss anything. The problem is that the Muslim Mosques are infested with Jihazis, and they use them for recruitment centers. Take out the mosques, and you slow down their gravy train...

http://doctorbulldog.wordpress.com/

Posted by: Doctor Bulldog at October 16, 2006 9:00 PM

Frustration over the position of Muslims in the Netherlands and anger...

Frustrated and angry for having been pulled up out of that filthy hellhole Turkey and given a clean safe place to live and free money to do it with.

Nothing makes these ingrates happy. Except bloodshed.

Posted by: Alarmed Pig Farmer at October 16, 2006 9:27 PM

Yes, and then Turkey wonders why they're NOT admitted into the EU.

Posted by: Bonniea at October 16, 2006 9:51 PM

It's pretty amazing how all these poor, downtrodden people migrate from the Third World to the West in order to better themselves (supposedly). Yet what happens? Mayhem of all sorts. Maybe these people are just homesick and yearn for the appalling conditions of their homelands, so they set about replicating those conditions in the West. They can't help themselves-they're sick. The sickness is mental and is called Islam. Perhaps this explains in part why they do what they do.

Posted by: ISLAMSFORLOSERS at October 16, 2006 10:04 PM

What is the "position" of Muslims in the Netherlands? They haven't become the ruling class yet, so obviously their human rights are compromised, and they have no choice but to fight for their freedom.

Posted by: Jesus Christ Supercop at October 16, 2006 10:13 PM

Bonniea, so far, so good...but I wish your statement was correct in a permanent sense. I fear that Turkey will continue with Al-taqiyah until the PC, socialist, liberal governments of W. Europe eventually relent and let Turkey into the club. At the pace we're heading, I can see it happening within 5-10 years, unless the clueless politicians wake up before it's too late. JW/DW is on the front line of this global battle against Islamic ideology. We must prevail. We must not let the Islamic virus infect Europe. With Turkey a member of the EU, Muslims will spread unabated, and legally throughout all of Europe.

Posted by: Xero G at October 16, 2006 10:38 PM

"The NCTb also said it was "remarkable" that a rising number of Turkish youths were finding their way into networks of radical Muslims prepared to use violence against western society."

"Remarkable"? These people really should read Hadith Bukari and Hadith Muslim. Those books leave no doubt as to the nature of Islam.

Posted by: non-redneck at October 16, 2006 10:39 PM

OT

Spencer's book is up to #30 at Amazon. Time to but Christmas/Hannukah/etc. gifts.

Posted by: Concerned Citizen at October 16, 2006 10:41 PM

I know your not supposed to blame the victim, but whose fault is this anyway? The dutch, French, British, and even Americans are so infatuated with the dogmas of multi-culturalism, diversity and inclusion that they can't make a common sense decision to protect their own socities from people who are out to destroy them.
Western countries have every legal and moral right to expel them back to the dysfunctional socities they seem to admire so much. As for innocent Muslims, there aren't any! The "innocents" are the ones that that don't participate directly in terrorist acts, but stand on the side lines and cheer the murderers on, and wouldn't hesitate for a minute to undermine the freedoms and democracy of their adopted countries.
The day is fast approaching when Western socities will be powerless to defend themselves against this perverted excuse for a religion, so they better do something while there's still time.

Posted by: rational at October 16, 2006 10:54 PM

Turkish youths turning to radical Islam....frustration over the position of Muslims in the Netherlands and anger...
.....................

I read an article a few weeks ago (sorry, I don't remember where at this point) about Morrocan immigrant Mohammed Bouyeri, the killer of Theo Van Gogh. It noted the dangerous radicalism rife in the Dutch Morrocan community, but stressed that this was *not about Islam*, because you did not find this sort of radicalism in the Netherland's older, more stable and prosperous Turkish community.

Guess they spoke too soon.

Posted by: gravenimage at October 16, 2006 11:24 PM

At the end of the article:

It said the extreme-right was also involved and that various incidents or inter-ethnic violence had been reported of late. Half of the violence involved Lonsdale youths, skinheads and the National Alliance

Are the ignorant forced to bear the banner of the free man in Holland? The NCTb is waking up to "facts" that their young are already acting upon. I can bet that this "extreme right" is made up of local youths who are fed up with what these Turkeys are doing to their country and way of life. The "skinheads" are reacting against their liberal, "long hair" elders who have sold off their country and culture to these creeps whose ancestors raped and pillaged their European kinsmen in history.
All citizens of Holland should form an alliance to route these hoodlums out of their counrty for good.

Posted by: Briars at October 16, 2006 11:32 PM

Time to get tough with the proponents of the 'religion' of perpetual outrage.

Posted by: cathkins at October 16, 2006 11:47 PM

I must have missed something because I thought only Asian youths did this sort of thing.

Posted by: Ronin

Since when have all Asians been Muslim?

Are you supposing Hindu Asians that were killed during the Islamic invasion of India where complicit with the Asian muslims then?

It is grossly unfair that Hindus and Sikhs are subject to racial profiling by UK police and security services just because Islamic terrorists.

Well, I repeat, it isn’t Asians but Muslims.

It is muslims that are the problem,yet it is many non-muslims Asains who are suffering the back-lash

Posted by: shiva at October 17, 2006 12:09 AM

Time-after-time I hear about 'youths' in the Netherlands. Time-after-time I 'phone my friends there and ask them to confirm the story. Time-after-time my friends say that there were youths involved but that the bulk of the actioneers were older adults. More lies from our dhimmi press, I must presume.

Dominic.

Posted by: necessitasnonhabetlegem at October 17, 2006 12:17 AM

Shiva
Agree with you.Please proclaim loud and clear:HINDUS,SIKHS,JAINS,BUDDHISTS WHO HAPPEN TO BE ASIAN ARE ALL FACING SAME THREAT FROM MUSLIMS.
Western Ignorance is no excuse with all the Info on the Net-reckon it is high time though that all the above got funding,media time about their beliefs & cultures instead of Muslims.

Posted by: Morgane at October 17, 2006 12:23 AM

The "free-thinking" Dutch are known for being obsessed with liberal values.

It seems that Dutch social policies have been inspired by the utilitarianism of Jeremy Bentham and John Stuart Mills.

But utilitarianism won't solve the problems of Islamic sharia in the Netherlands.

Nowadays, some Dutch politicians are turning to U.S conservatives to help bring a fresh perspective in dealing with the problems of Islam.

Read it here:
http://www.papillonsartpalace.com/dumtch.htm

Posted by: Johnathan at October 17, 2006 1:21 AM

The day is fast approaching when Western socities will be powerless to defend themselves against this perverted excuse for a religion, so they better do something while there's still time.

Posted by: rational at October 16, 2006 10:54 PM

POWERLESS???

NO but things will get real ugly for all mulsums and a hell of a lot of people are going to die.

you might want to see by looking at history to see what happens when the west loses their heart.

when the left loses their ablity to tell people they are raist when the people want to keep their short skirt's and their heads when they[and they do] relize they have to stand and fight or be killed things will get real ugly for the mulsums.

think about how hard it is to take a kids skate board away?

then tell the kid no more movies no more hot dogs

tell the europeans they can't drive anymore because the mulsums control the oil?

What will happen our Grandparnets and Great-Grandparents saw and the world lost 50,000,000 people well the world is deciding which side of the fence it is going to sit on.[TODAY MORE PEOPLE AND BIGGER TOYS]

But when things get started what happened in Sebria is going to look like a cakewalk.

and the mulsum side is the wrong side.

just look at the ss mulsums hilter had Stalingrad all killed.

Did anyone see how indoniesa has lost a large part of their farmland due to mud??

Just think about your car running on moonshine do the mulsums really want us to be real bullys?

Back to the story above

It is not just their clerics but the book they read I have yet to hear one mulsum quto from their book about peace or denounce the violonce so does Europe really want a weak USA?

Does the world really believe that if the mulsums in iran get a nuke it is only Israel who they are after When I read what they write I see the the Christian Churches have much more than 1&1/2 billion members? [REMEMBER THE EUROPEANS GAVE UP SERBIA TO APPESSE THEM DIDN'T WORK]

Remember it was a mulsum who tried to kill the last Pope and a mulsum who killed B. Kennedy never forget that.

Yes those who don't stand and fight will be in big trouble no doght about that but Powerless never.

Hell even the French found a way to fight with the west against hitler did a lot of French die Yea But those who stood WON!!!!

http://www.beecy.net/frank/

Remember their book does not tell them they will win it tells their rock god will choose?

Qur’an 74:31 “We have appointed nineteen angels to be the wardens of the Hell Fire. We made a stumbling-block for those who disbelieve and We have fixed their number as a trial for unbelievers in order that the people of the Book may arrive with certainty, and that no doubts may be left for the people of the Book, those in whose hearts is a disease. And for those to whom the Scripture Book has been given, and the believers, there should be no doubt. The unbelievers may say, ‘What does the Lord intend by this?’ The Lord will lead astray whomever He pleases, and He will guide whomever He pleases: and none can know the armies of your Lord except He, and this is no other than a warning to mankind.”

This can be broken by Yes it is the Army of the people of the Book who he has chosen to Free [USA] the Iraqi people as it says

He will guide whomever He pleases: and none can know the armies of your Lord except He, and this is no other than a warning to mankind.”

Yes he has chosen the USA!!
TO FREE THE IRAQI PEOPLE FROM THE MONSTER saddam [FOUND IN A HOLE DON’T SHOOT I’M A YELLOW COWARD]

And let’s look at another part?

The Lord will lead astray whomever He pleases,

Ubl,saddam,zawari,all who Kill and destroy mankind?

There will be no more warnings?

Earthquake in Iran kills 31,000 who harbors ubls[YELLOW COWARD WHO RUNS AWAY] son and wife’s??

then think of all the mulsums killed by the killer wave what was it 210,000

then the 78,000 mulsums killed by the killer quake in Pakistan?

then and now the mud destroying the food that was to be traded with iran yes again mulsum land?

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Posted by: Catherine at October 17, 2006 1:52 AM

ISLAMSFORLOSERS - I've spent a huge amount of time in Israel ... Islamic townships often live/exist under Israeli law. In honesty, I've never seen worse ghettos in my life. Grafitti is everywhere, as are run-down houses/blocks.
There's either an entire lack of pride, or symptoms of depresion, or whatnot - that sort of makes them look like an embarssment to society.
Sadly, this is all real.

Maybe your insight as to "mental illness" is all too acurate.

Posted by: Occupant at October 17, 2006 3:56 AM

Nothing really useful to say except that my heart it bleeds for whingeing Islamic cretins of any nationality about the "tough time" they have in the west. I am not allowed to say here whatI see an an ideal solution to their presence as it will undoubtably upset the faint of heart and the poor of sight.

The irony here is that there is absolutely NOTHING stopping them from returning to the Islamic dung heap from which their parents came.
So, why do they bitch and complain and threaten over their grievances when all that they have to do is leave? Ask any preWW2 german jew about leaving germany in 1939 and they would have swum the channel to get out if it were possible and they had real complaints.

So, they do not want to leave(lifestyle too good) but they are not happy. With what? Western morality and consumerism? They seem just as guilty here as the rest of us until they turn to jihad.
They talk about "their persecuted islamic brothers in XYZ" but do not seem that keen on joining him there. So what are they after?

They seem to resent our freedom, our productivity, our work ethic, our freedom to think without restraint etc. My guess is that it is envy which drives them as they are constantly made aware of the inferiority of their civilisation and being Muslims it has to be someone else's fault. So the best way to repay our kindness(which they see as a weakness and not a virtue) is by forcing their inferior civilisation onto us and Allah probably doesn't come into it that much except as an excuse.

Posted by: MisIslamist at October 17, 2006 3:57 AM

Catherine,,,"just look at the ss mulsums hilter had Stalingrad all killed"

Not disagreeing with yr post( I only have a five minute attention span) but WTF does the above mean? There were NO SS units in stalingrad, while the three SS Muslim divisions were formed after Stalingrad and would not have lasted 10 mins vs the russian defenders.

If your point is that Muslims were killing christians and jews even during WW2 then you are perfectly correct.

Posted by: MisIslamist at October 17, 2006 4:11 AM

If your point is that Muslims were killing christians and jews even during WW2 then you are perfectly correct.

Posted by: MisIslamist at October 17, 2006 04:11 AM

No they fought the Russians at Stalingrad the ones that didn't run away were killed

This is why hilter was so pissed because he saw they were good terrorist but when people stood and fought they ran away like cowards kind of like now.

so they even kill their own looking for the state of victimhood

some are not falling for it anymore!!

Have the fo somewhere I will look later today for the link.

think it what in some Ck history or Old news papers?

Train crash in Roma

Of course not terrorist just some electra?

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Posted by: Catherine at October 17, 2006 5:03 AM

My attempts at sarcasm did not work, too bad. Regular readers know that I realize the difference between an “Asian” and a “muslim” I just wish the MSM did. I also wonder what excuse they will use when second generation American muslims get caught joining the jihad. Anger over cartoons, bad press, religious holidays, and countless other excuses. They are all just that “excuses”. I would love to be able to excuse my way out of everything in my life but I am not muslim. Still it could be fun “officer I had to run the light it was the color of Christmas” and “officer I am not firing randomly into the sky. I am celebrating the end of ramadan”. There used to be a newsman who ended his story with “gimmie a break.” islam your days are numbered we are onto you and our numbers grow faster than your excuses.

Posted by: Ronin at October 17, 2006 5:21 AM

Catherine...there were no SS units, Muslim or otherwise in Stalingrad. That was my my point albeit it a petty nitpicking one.

You are certainly correct in what you said about the SS Muslim divisions who were reportedly(by a senior SS officer) found to be "more interested in killing and raping innocent christian villagers than they were in fighting Tito's partisans" . This muslim norm(for fair combat) was verified when the best one of the three (which does not say much) was destroyed in its first true action vs the red army.

Posted by: MisIslamist at October 17, 2006 5:42 AM

Here in Australia we get these bloody islamic immigrants come I suppose because they think that this country and our way of living is better than the one they are leaving. But what do they do as soon as they get here,they start trying to change my country to the way of the backward dictatorship they have just left.

Islamics make up less the 1% of the Australian population(thank heavens and that is 1% too much)but the amount they have changed our country is almost unbelievable.No longer do the TV stations have Christian messages at christmas time and christmas carols are not played in our shopping centres so we dont offend the bloody islamics and that is just the tip of the iceberg.Deport them all!!!

Posted by: cobber at October 17, 2006 5:51 AM

Posted by: Occupant at October 17, 2006 03:56 AM

Guess you have never been to the Sudan or Aisa??

Maybe you should get out a little more!!

Posted by: MisIslamist at October 17, 2006 05:42 AM

So how old are you anyway?

Me I am just going by the history I read.

I will look for the link just a little busy translating can be hell for a blond

ROTFL!!

Maybe the Russians exarated is that what you are saying?

But you have to admit that is what we see today in a stand up fight they die or run away like cowards look at how many we find dressed like women another reason why they want their women in burkas so they can hide among the women.

look at how the arab countries who are civilazed do not allow burkas no face covering in those countries because they know the rules would have been nice if they had told the rest of the world the scoop??

OKAY I FOUND SOMETHING

CALL ME CRAZY??

http://www.serbianna.com/columns/savich/022.shtml
Islam Under the Swastika

Bosnian Muslim soldiers were in the Nazi-Ustasha German-Croatian ìLegionî units, the 369th, 373rd, and 392nd Infantry Divisions. The 369th German-Croatian Infantry Division, formed in 1942, was known as the Vrazja Divizija or Devil Division commanded by Generalleutnant Fritz Neidholt. The 373rd German-Croatian Infantry Division was known as the Tigar Divizija or Tiger Division. The 392nd German-Croatian Infantry Division was known as the Plava Divizija, or Blue Division.Ý The 369th Reinforced Croat Infantry Regiment, made up of Croats and Bosnian Muslims, fought at Stalingrad where it was destroyed. The NDH also sent the Italian-Croat Legion, attached to the Italian 3rd Mobile Division, to the Russian front where it was destroyed during the Don retreat. The 369th Reinforced Infantry Regiment, formed at Varazdin, consisted of three battalions, two from Croatia, one from Sarajevo. The Regiment left Zagreb on July 15, 1941 for the Doellersheim Training Camp near Vienna, Austria. From here, the troops were transferred by railroad to the USSR. The Regiment was deployed on various points on the Russian Front: Krementchug, Jasy, Kirovograd, Permomaysk, Poltava, the Dnieper River, Kharkov, Stalino. On May 15, 1942, the Regiment was deployed on the Voronezh Front. On September 27, the Bosnian Muslim/Croat troops deployed to Stalingrad where they fought to take the city. By February, 1943, the Regiment was totally annihilated and obliterated by the Russian Red Army. The German/Axis forces were encircled and surrendered en masse in Stalingrad.

BUT ANNIHILATED TO ME MEANS DEAD NOW I COULD BE WRONG??

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BETTER READ THE WHOLE THING

Posted by: Catherine at October 17, 2006 7:08 AM

JUST hate that don't you??

sometimes I feel

LET'S DO THE TIME WARP AGAIN...

http://www.beecy.net/frank/

Posted by: Catherine at October 17, 2006 7:30 AM

Catherine...I checked yr site and as you say there WERE some Muslims in the Ustasha regiments I do admit that but they were Wehrmacht regiments and not SS ones. Like the spanish blue division they served as volunteer units within the german army and were in Stalingrad. My issue with yr history was the fact that no SS were in stalingrad and so we are both correct.

However beware of any serbian sources talking about the Ustasha and any croatian ones talking about Tito or both talking about Mihailovic and the Chetniks as they are still trying to blacken each other even now. The catholic croats and the Bosnian Muslims sided with the Nazis but the orthodux Serbs did not.

Point made and although I distrust such sites it does seem correct.

There were quite a few small SS units (battalion or smaller) whose complete history is not known at all but none seem to have been lost in the stalingrad cauldron

Posted by: MisIslamist at October 17, 2006 8:16 AM

This sounds like all these youts need is some midnight basketball.

Posted by: JanuaryMan at October 17, 2006 8:20 AM

Catherine...NO I am wrong and you are right..you never said SS that was me presuming..you said muslims only and that makes you 100% correct as those regiment WERE in stalingrad.

The only ground that I can claim is that there were NO muslim units, SS or otherwise in Stalingrad and even those Ustasha units only had a sprinkling of Muslims(

Points win for the blonde.

Posted by: MisIslamist at October 17, 2006 8:22 AM

It is a time warp..

some sight's or here about

www.newadvent.org/cathen/03096a.htm

May 12, 2005
The rise of the Seljukian Turks, however, compromised the safety of pilgrims and even threatened the independence of the Byzantine Empire and of all Christendom
In 1070 Jerusalem was taken, and in 1091 Diogenes, the Greek emperor, was defeated and made captive at Mantzikert
Could this be why he sold this proptry to the Jews for he Knew that is the only way to Save the Church from the Mulsums??
Asia Minor and all of Syria became the prey of the Turks. Antioch succumbed in 1084, and by 1092 not one of the great metropolitan sees of Asia remained in the possession of the Christians

Why the great Wall was built to keep out the mulsums??
Michael VII and Gregory VII. The pope seriously contemplated leading a force of 50,000 men to the East in order to re-establish Christian unity, repulse the Turks, and rescue the Holy Sepulchre.

Tourist might work this time to shop in Israel to help keep them STRONG??

http://www.ccel.org/ccel/catherine/dialog.iv.i.html

One word as to the translation. I have almost always followed the text of Gigli, a learned Siennese ecclesiastic, who edited the complete works of St. Catherine in the last century. His is the latest edition printed of the Dialogo. Once or twice I have preferred the cinquecento Venetian editor. My aim has been to translate as literally as possible, and at the same time to preserve the characteristic rhythm of the sentences, so suggestive in its way of the sing-song articulation of the Siennese of today. St. Catherine has no style as such; she introduces a metaphor and forgets it; the sea, a vine, and a plough will often appear in the same sentence, sometimes in the same phrase. In such cases I have occasionally taken the liberty of adhering to the first simile when the confusion of metaphor in the original involves hopeless obscurity of expression.
Viareggio, September 1906

Of course someone pointed me there?

But back to you mulsum ss there was a group to the tune of 30,000 but like I said were ANNIHILATED

now if I have more time today I will post the other sights you might trust more I have to look through my files and as a blond can take some time..

ROTFL!!!!

Sorry Hugh Know how you hate that forgive me I'm cute after all!

http://flatrock.org.nz/topics/history/america_enters_the_war.htm
BETTER READ THE WHOLE THING

By the end of 1943, Mussolini was overthrown; Hitler had to send in a rescue squad to prevent him from becoming a prisoner. The Soviets turned the tide on the Eastern front with the Battle of Stalingrad (1943). Both sides completely disregarded civilians, so the city was decimated, however the Russians trapped the Germans. Unfortunately, there were 1-2 million casualties on both sides. The siege on Leningrad was broken as well. This fighting on all fronts caused the German forces to be spread thin, allowing Russian victories which further weakened the German Army. (The Soviets stopped just outside Warsaw to allow the anti-Communist Polish Underground to be wiped out when they foolishly moved against the Germans thinking they could count on Russian support.) Trusting the Russians did tend to be foolish, yes…

1-2 MILLION DEAD IN 1 BATTLE IN THE WAR??

YES THIS IS A GOOD SIGHT TO LEARN HISTORY!!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Vienna
Battle of Vienna
The Battle of Vienna in 1683 (Turkish: İkinci Viyana Kuşatması) (as distinct from the Siege of Vienna in 1529) was the first large-scale battle of the Habsburg-Ottoman Wars, yet with the most far reaching consequences. It pitted an Habsburg army of about 100,000 troops and their allies led by Charles IV, Duke of Lorraine, a 30,000-man relief force under Jan III Sobieski, King of the Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth, against the Ottoman army commanded by Grand Vizier Merzifonlu Kara Mustafa Pasha, which numbered approximately 140,000 men, although a large number of them played no part in the battle. The siege itself began in July 14, 1683, and the decisive battle took place in September 12, 1683.
The battle marked the turning point in the 300-year struggle between the forces of Central European kingdoms and the Ottoman Empire. Over the 16 years following the battle, Habsburgs of Austria and their allies would gradually occupy and dominate southern Hungary and Transylvania

LIKE I SAID TIME WARP

WILL HAVE TO LOOK FOR THE SS STUFF

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Posted by: Catherine at October 17, 2006 8:58 AM

my blonde nemesis posted:"But back to you mulsum ss there was a group to the tune of 30,000 but like I said were ANNIHILATED "

There were NO totally muslim units on the axis side in WW2. The one with most muslims was the 13th SS div Handschar but even it had several thousand Croatians in it and as time marched on and Muslim enthusiasm waned so did their percentage(so guess at

The ne3xt one was the 23rd SS div and its percentage is unknown but it was disbanded after 4 months.

The last division was the 21st SS div Skanberg and it wsas the most infamous.. this was the one made up of albanian Muslims whose sole aim was not to fight anybody armed but to massacre any nonmuslim civilians in both kosovo and macedonia to ethnically cleanse the once Muslim land. As sson as the fighting intensified the masacres died down mostly becasue of Muslim desertions and it was disbnaded in oc 44.

There was also a unit called trhe Ostturkische waffen verbande der SS who had the grand Mufti of jerusalem as its patron. Again it was not reliable although its troops participated in the warsaw uprising suppression and the following massacres.

So my point here is that there were NO purely muslim units in either the army or the SS and just as well for the nazis as the higher the percentage of Muslims the more unreliable the unit. Those muslims killed in stalingrad only represnted about 10% of what were really croatian units.

No purely Muslim unit existed and hence no purely muslim unit was annihilated anywhere, whether SS or not. Most of the Muslims simply deserted while thenonmuslims in the unit did the fighting although I feel sure there had to be some exceptions.

What we ALWAYS forget is that the free french(and the Vichy) had several divisions of Muslim troop(Senegalese, Cote Ivoire etc) and that as these usually had french officers they fought reasonably well but they still spontaneously peformed many atrocities vs german and Italian POWs but you will very rarely find out much about them.

So catherine bash away but I have my sources in front of me now. You should leave well enough alone.

Posted by: MisIslamist at October 17, 2006 10:00 AM

Catherine..please forgive my peevishness but I was annoyed that I had to interrupt my work to dig up those references..All my own fault.

Stalingrad was a battle that the west can never understand. The Soviets suffered more casualties there than did the allies during ther WHOLE war and even the german casualties were greater Still now fresh skeltons are found almost daily. The casualties were SO high that the numbers have been hidden since 1943 and even now we only have a lowest estimate which is still probably far short of the actual.

If you also add the german and axis casualties there has never been a battle like it anywhere in this current episode of man's history and only 2 TOTALITARIAN powers could have fought it as no western army could accept the casualties.

If we have to accept casualties like this to defeat islam then I truly fear for us as backbone is a commodity which politicians seem to lose once they take public office in the west.
In fact I think that the last politician with backbone, testicles and the will to use both in the west was Margaret thatcher. However I doubt that any muslim group could fight a sustained battle like stalingrad as like the arabs of old they prefer the quick stab or slash then to run off without paying a price. Sustained warfare is not of their liking but unfortunately WMD are.

However the importance of Stalingrad other than as a meat grinder is overrated, as by missing out on moscow in 1941 the germans had already lost the war. What stalingrad did was to both confirm this loss and to hurry the end up.
With german instructors the turks did quite well in defensive warfare but out in the open they were not much good...too much OOT.

Posted by: MisIslamist at October 17, 2006 10:51 AM

http://www.israel-wat.com/g8_eng.htm

http://motlc.wiesenthal.com/pages/t031/t03148.html
Bosnian Moslems recruited by the Grand Mufti Hajj Amin al Husseini (Arafat's 'Uncle'1) to serve in the ranks of the German Waffen-SS.
The following pictures take place in Bosnia, two years after the Grand Mufti Hajj Amin al Husseini (blood relative of both the current Temple Mount Mufti and Yasser Arafat) launched an unsuccessful pro-Nazi coup in Iraq.

http://www.serbianna.com/columns/savich/006.shtml
The Holocaust in Bosnia-Hercegovina, 1941-1945

by Carl K. Savich

On August 6, 1943, Himmler wrote the following letter to his representative in the NDH, SS Gruppenfuehrer and Generalleutnant der Polizei Konstantin Kammerhofer and to Artur Phleps, commander of the Vth SS Mountain Corps outlining guidelines for the enlistment of Muslims in the Waffen SS and police:
All Moslem members of the Waffen SS and police are to be afforded the undeniable right of their religious demands never to touch pork, pork sausages nor to drink alcohol. I hold all commanders and other SS officers, responsible for the most scrupulous and loyal respect for this privilege especially granted to the Muslims. They have answered the call of the Moslem chiefs and have come to us out of hatred for the common Jewish-Anglo-Bolshevik enemy and through respect and fidelity for he who they respect above all, the Fuehrer, Adolf Hitler. There will no longer be the least discussion about the special rights afforded to the Moslems in these circles.
Heil Hitler!
(signed)
H.Himmler

VERY LONG BUT A GOOD READ

http://www.tellthechildrenthetruth.com/AminAlHusseini.htm#_ednref3
III Osama Bin Laden makes direct reference to end of Ottoman Empire and thus proclaims
his allegiance to its notion of Islamic dominion. We see here the direct ideological connection
between Bin Laden’s Jihad and Amin Al-Husseini.

ALSO A GREAT SIGHT PICTURES AND EVERYTHING!!

http://www.serbianna.com/columns/savich/022.shtml
Islam Under the Swastika
The Grand Mufti and the Nazi Protectorate of Bosnia-Hercegovina, 1941-1945
by Carl Savich
The Grand Mufti of Jerusalem: Haj Amin el Husseini

On August 6,1943, Himmler wrote the following letter to his representative in the NDH, SS Gruppenfuehrer and Generalleutnant der Polizei Konstantin Kammerhofer and to Artur Phleps, commander of the Vth SS Mountain Corps outlining guidelines for the enlistment of Muslims in the Waffen SS and police:
All Moslem members of the Waffen SS and police are to be afforded the undeniable right of their religious demands never to touch pork, pork sausages nor to drink alcohol...I hold all commanders...and other SS officers, responsible for the most scrupulous and loyal respect for this privilege especially granted to the Muslims. They have answered the call of the Moslem chiefs and have come to us out of hatred for the common Jewish-Anglo-Bolshevik enemy and through respect and fidelity for he who they respect above all, the Fuehrer, Adolf Hitler... There will no longer be the least discussion about the special rights afforded to the Moslems in these circles.
Heil Hitler
(signed) H. Himmler

THERE ARE MANY MORE JUST LOOK UP THE GRAND MUFTI???

Amin Al Husseini Inspects his Muslim Nazi Troops in WWII
http://www.tellthechildrenthetruth.com/AminAlHusseini.htm#_edn33

http://www.tellthechildrenthetruth.com/AminAlHusseini.htm#_ednref33
Nazi View of Islamic Religion
Head of Nazi SS troops Heinrich Himmler stated to Chief of Nazi propaganda Josef Goebbels:
“ [I] have nothing against Islam because it educates the men in this division for me and promises them heaven if they fight and are killed in action. A very practical and attractive religion for soldiers.”

MAN I HATE THAT I FEEL LIKE I'M IN A TIME WARP AGAIN!!

If you have some time to do some reading and there were some names and dates for you I will keep looking through my files things are still mixed up??

Must be the Blond thing again ;-)

Part of the American Tribe
Squirrel Hunter
Spider Killer
GOD BLESS THE USA AND HER FIGHTING FORCES AND ALL WHO FIGHT WITH HER GIVE THEM STRENGTH WISDOM, SIGHT, AND COURAGE TO DESTROY ALL ISLAMIC TERRORIST AND ALL WHO SUPPORT THEM AMEN

Posted by: Catherine at October 17, 2006 11:44 AM

Posted by: MisIslamist at October 17, 2006 10:00 AM

SO what you are saying is we are in sinc with my frist post either they run and hide not many will stand and fight if real men and women stand up and fight.

Now isn't that nice and we gave a nice histroy lesson to those who never knew so feel good and remember the 3ts

Things take time!

and SHORT SKIRTS WORTH FIGHTING FOR!!

Catherine ;-)

don't you just love the brainy people and they spell well too!!

ROTFL!

Posted by: Catherine at October 17, 2006 11:54 AM

Catherine..thank you those sites. All of my references are book based I am afraid and so I cannot pass them on to you.

I must admit that I am becoming accustomed to your style, eccentric though it may be, but very idividualistic and always an entertaining potpourri of themes and I am very happy that I do not have to follow you in a debate.

As my typing is abysmal and my spelling not much better, I do not feel able to criticise others' lesser faults here.

yes we do agree at last and I feel very sorry for any Muslim squirrels that cross you.

A story:

During and after WW1 Australian troops coming back from the Middle east had nothing good to say about Arabs and even Johnny turk was thought better by comparison as even he stood up and fought unlike the Arabs whose main weapon was the quick stab in the dark or the sneaky slash.

A Nwew Zealand battalion was occupying an area nd it was relieved by an Australian battalion.
During the changeover the NZ CO told the Australian CO to beware the arabs at night as they had made a practice nof killing sentries and stealing their weapons. The australian CO replied that all of his men were veterans and would be ok. The NZ officer said they had no ideas to who the culprits were and that it had happened about a dzen times.

The first night 2 Australian sentries were murdered and their equipment stolen. Leaving 2 companies at the base the Australians marched out 2 companies. One surrounded the nearest Arab village. The other did house to house search in this village.
In every house where Australian equipment was found, they took the men out. There were four houses and 11 or 12 men. The Australians then lined them up and shot them all.

No more sentries were ever killed at night by Arabs. That is the ONLY way to deal with them.

Posted by: MisIslamist at October 17, 2006 12:16 PM

Posted by: MisIslamist at October 17, 2006 12:16 PM

This fight has been going on sence mo-ham-od married the rich widow along the silk road when he robbed others

this is what their book is about but there is also his defeat and his running and hidding like a woman?

That is when the other tribes in the area stood together and kicked their asses

the problem became when he was able to divide them by pay-off

and one by one they fell

this is why it is so important to stand together and go after them like hunting rabbits they will run to ground but a good hunter will follow and dig them out and have a great dinner!!

Part of the American Tribe
Squirrel Hunter
Spider Killer
GOD BLESS THE USA AND HER FIGHTING FORCES AND ALL WHO FIGHT WITH HER GIVE THEM STRENGTH, WISDOM, SIGHT, AND COURAGE TO DESTROY ALL ISLAMIC TERRORIST AND ALL WHO SUPPORT THEM AMEN

Posted by: Catherine at October 17, 2006 12:45 PM

Misislamist:

The Aussies did it right.

When a Muslim hits you, you hit him back harder. That's what they understand.

Sort of like dealing with animals, isn't it?

Posted by: atheling at October 17, 2006 5:44 PM