Islamophobia is a no-no. However, Infidelophobia is dear to Allah, the All Merciful, the Wise. Yeah, killing Infidels is good because Allah decreed it so and told Mohammed to go and slaughter the stinking Infidels.

Infidel--bad, Islamophobia--bad, Infidelphobia--good. Yeah, that's just about what Allah ordered.

Posted by: atanu at October 28, 2006 9:06 AM

Given that the word "islamophobia" is highly effective in obscuring the validity of criticisms of Islam from those who might otherwise wake up to them, the question arises as to how to deal with it. Some reject the word altogether, seizing every opportunity to explain why their opposition to Islam is entirely rational, while others attempt to appropriate and thus redefine the word - à la "nigger" or "papist". Which approach is best?

My view is that whatever we do the word will continue to have a largely pejorative connotation, so that rejecting it as loudly and often as possible, as Hugh has done here, is our only option.

Posted by: Null at October 28, 2006 9:29 AM

Nominate me for next year! KAOSKTRL
He has run a unflinching crusade against the genocide found within Islamic scripture.
He runs a disgusting hate site http://www.kafirnation.com and can frequently be found bashing rank and file muslim on Internet forums
http://www.ihrc.org.uk/islamophobia/suggest.php

Posted by: KAOSKTRL at October 28, 2006 10:01 AM

This is quite OOT but I thought it worth a mention:

Schools in Australia can only use properly qualified and registered teachers and I am sure this is the rule in most western countries.

In Russia they are making an attempt to control who teaches what in madrassas by opening state controlled ones within Russia.

http://www.interfax-religion.com/?act=news&div=2182

Obviously this can and will be applied to all religions but as Islam is the only one who threatens and often, and funding is not infinite then it strikes me as a way of controlling the teachings of extremists withing madrassas which often lay the lethal eggs that imams hatch.

Perhaps ALL muslim schools should be given a state sponsored curriculum on what to teach from the Koran in madrassas within that state.

No doubt the few christian fanatics who post here will disagree but as Christianity is not really a threat to anybody and as most Christian teachings are benevolent then it would not have that much of an effect upon it.

Perhaps we can add to this also: seeing as islam has NO central governing body to control doctrine or appoint, then western goverments should pass ordinances which allow only properly registered and state accepted imams to preach in a mosque.

Obviously this is very nonPC but IMHO totally appropriate and perhaps the only way short of a direct confrontation.

Naturally there will be an underground movement for schools and mosques but if the states apply the same persecutory zeal to this that they do to parking and speeding tickets it will have little real effect. As for what doctrine they should be allowed to teach: well only a fool would allow the violent sura to be used.

Posted by: MisIslamist at October 28, 2006 10:22 AM

Jews came back to Israel to resettle their ancient homeland, often forced to buy land at exorbitant prices from absentee Arab landlords, and after 1948, inheriting the nearly 90% of the land that had passed to the Mandatory authorities from its previous owner, the Ottoman State.

Hugh, I think that's incorrect because the British lopped off more than 70% of their mandated territory to create the Hashemite Kingdom of Trans-Jordan, now simply Jordan.

Posted by: Cynic at October 28, 2006 10:25 AM

Bin Laden and the head Imam in Australia (who recently compared unveiled women to meat left out for cats) are Islamophobic since they don't understand "true Islam". The list of such Islamaohobes are endless.

Unbelievers and other non Muslims no longer wonder why CAIR and other fraud groups don't talk to such Muslims about their Islamophobia. A lot of non-Muslims now laugh at this fraud accusation. Folks know that these phonies (CAIR types, etc.)want to make the victims or potential victims of this belief-system's killers feel guilty for seeing that Islam is the motivation of the Muslim killers. The belief-system is generally one of intolerance (Saudi Arabia, e.g.), demented violence and CAIR style fraud.

Posted by: Frank at October 28, 2006 10:52 AM

Mike Savage sometimes plays the Fredo scene in the Cabana (Godfather II)after charges of "Islamophobia". It's funny. It fits.

http://www.reelwavs.com/sounds/godfather2/steppedover.mp3

Posted by: Frank at October 28, 2006 11:42 AM

Perhaps the best way to answer the question: "Are you Islamaphobic?" is with: "Yes, and rightfully so." or one could answer:
"You bet I am, you should be also."

Perhaps a question back to an inquisitor is "are you afraid of all these islamic murders?"

Another good question:

"Did you notice during the holy month of Ramadan when the Jihadi turned out the membership, there were about 300 murders in the name of allah in 17 countries!"

You can also say "I am an islamphobe, aren't you?"

You can also ask someone "Are you
islamo-ignorant?"

Posted by: David England at October 28, 2006 11:44 AM

The Nazis used all sorts of propaganda in WWII too, and called America "cowards" and "warmongers" when they joined the rest of us in the fight against them. Like my grandfather used to say let their insults slide off you like water off a ducks back!

I think that Islam terrorists are FREEDOMPHOBES!

Oh they HATE it when you can vote, and your women can dress the way they want (and can vote too), when you can build a business and make money to buy a home and a car instead of having everything closely guarded by the state, when you can speak YOUR MIND about whatever the hell you want and not have the 'secret police' after you or better yet 'the morality police' (a la Saudi Arabia). They just hate it. And to add an air of legitimacy to their ravings theyll say "oh America STARTED it or Europe deserves it etc). yeah right. We are "World at WAr" according to them because we are not muslims --simple. And as long as moderate muslims have a radical 'holy' book that can be read and studied by their offspring we will always be that. Your threat my fellow freedom lovers is that you BREATHE. Thats what a racist teacher once told a young high school level Albert Einstein when he asked him "why do you hate me so much?"

Our job is not to hate them but to KNOW without a shadow of a doubt they (the radical Islamists) hate US.

Posted by: THE ALLIES SHALL WIN at October 28, 2006 11:54 AM

Robert, Hugh, Rebecca & Marisol

Congratulations on 3 years. Today is also the first anniversary that I started reading JihadWatch after an appearance by Robert on Lee Rodgers & Melanie Morgan.

Sometimes, I still dig back into the archives. A lot more interesting posters since then.

Posted by: Infidel Pride at October 28, 2006 12:04 PM

"'Jews came back to Israel to resettle their ancient homeland, often forced to buy land at exorbitant prices from absentee Arab landlords, and after 1948, inheriting the nearly 90% of the land that had passed to the Mandatory authorities from its previous owner, the Ottoman State.'" [from the article above]

"Hugh, I think that's incorrect because the British lopped off more than 70% of their mandated territory to create the Hashemite Kingdom of Trans-Jordan, now simply Jordan."
-- from a posting above that comments on the first paragraph

The first paragraph was not meant to imply that the territory originally intended for the Mandate, that is historic "Palestine" as clearly understood by everyone at the time the Mandate for Palestine was being set up (see the entry under "Palestine" in the 11th edition of the Encyclopedia Britannica), in fact had actually been subject to the Mandate's provisions. As everyone knows, the British unilaterally closed to that part of "Palestine" (a word that needs to be kept in quotation marks in order to indicate that it had a meaning in Western Christendom, but was never a separate political unit under its Muslim rulers and masters) to the east of the Jordan River, the provisions about "close Jewish settlement on the land" and "facilitating Jewish immigration."

What I was attempting to point out is something else. Nearly 90% of the land that the State of Israel took possession of had never been the private property of anyone, always had been "state and waste land" under the Mandate, as before under the Ottomans. That is important to remember when one gets all these fantastical tales, with the apparently endless series of people who "remember" their "house in Haifa or Jerusalme" and who "still keep the key." There were some of those, possibly 1/10th as many as there were Jews who never got to keep even the key of the houses in Arab lands from which they had to flee, during all the attacks before 1948, and during, and after, the 1948 war. Most people in the West simply have never bothered to find out about the land ownership records in what was Mandatory Palestine, and the Israelis, of course, have with their usual maladroitness not bothered to point this out, to clear things up, to make their case which is so overwhelming, if only they would make it.

Posted by: Hugh at October 28, 2006 12:27 PM

"The rationality of Islamophobia....!!??

By definition a "phobia" is irrational, Hugh."
-- from a posting above

The title was put there using not the word "Islamophobia" but rather the special use of that word, as ""Islamophobia."" If I keep this going, I can do for quotation marks what Raymond Roussel did for parentheses.

Posted by: Hugh at October 28, 2006 12:29 PM

The only irrational thing I see in all of this is the fact that we are actually discussing islamophobia. Let’s see, they blow up pizza parlors, discotechs, hospitals, schools, churches and aircraft. They want to burn books and barber shops. They cut the private parts off their daughters with scissors. They throw homosexuals off tall buildings. They hate animals and kill any of them they spot. They stab their sisters in the back for any insult to their alleged honor. They set infidel teens on fire or pour acid on them. They gang rape any women who dare to go out side without their full length bathrobe and Halloween mask on. I’m sure I missed a boatload but alas I do not have until the end of time to go on. Phobia? We don’t need no stinking Phobia.

Posted by: tgusa at October 28, 2006 1:22 PM

First our intellectual elite cooked up the murky term Islamist, and now up pops cultural Moslem.

The first is a perjorative, and a wierd one at that. The American Heritage Dictionary defines the suffix ist thusly:

______________

-ist
Suff

An adherent or advocate of a specified doctrine, theory, or school of thought: anarchist.

______________

Looking at the doctrine of Islam as specified by Mohammed, then, the only possible conclusion is that all Moslems are Islamists. Therefore this perjorative term is nonsense, a weak psychological defense used by terrified Infidels.

Wouldn’t Moslem activist be a much better term than Islamist?

* 33:21 ** 33:21 ** 33:21 ** 33:21 ** 33:21 ** 33:21 ** 33:21 ** 33:21 ** 33:21 ** 33:21 *

Unless, of course you are not an adherent or advocate of Islam, but merely a cultural Moslem.

Unlike Islamist, this term is complimentary, with the clear impliction that a cultural Moslem would not commit mass murder, kidnap and sell slaves, marry 6-yr old girls, screw 9-yr old girls, bugger 10-yr old boys, break contracts, chop of hands, lop off clits, stone women to death, extort money from non-Moslems, or seek world takeover.

I understand all that. But, if you look at Islam, what culture is there that is not embodied in the Koran and Sunnah, or the shameful history of Islam and the Sharia codes based upon those two cultural fountains?

Aren’t cultural Moslems phonies, inactive Moslems laying in wait for the high Jihad to arrive in their neighborhood?

By way of syllogism, cultural Moslems that aren't phonies must then be termed apostates, real good folks but with an unfortunate taste for Arabic fashion.

Posted by: Alarmed Pig Farmer at October 28, 2006 1:28 PM

The term islamophobia is an ad hominem often in use to destroy credibility in those who oppose islam.

Posted by: EliasAlucard at October 28, 2006 1:48 PM

"The term islamophobia is an ad hominem often in use to destroy credibility in those who oppose islam."

The goal of the term islamophobia is to stifle criticism of islam pure and simple.

In Europe among academic and multicultural circles it has been discussed, if islamophobia should be criminalized as such. A terrifying thought.

Posted by: Saatanan Islam at October 28, 2006 2:06 PM

EliasAlucard-

Islamophobia is a bullshit term that deserves to be laughed at. Mike Savage is right when he compares it to Fredo's outburst re "respect" in the Cabana scene from the movie the Godfather. Yesterday Mike played the audio from that scene after he played an audio of Ibrahim Hooper whining about two Muslim clerics not being allowed to enter the USA from South Africa.-LOL It was hilarious. The term "islamophobia" is laughable and contemptible because the term is designed to deceive and make non-Muslims feel subdued.

But it's really Fredo in the Cabana.

Posted by: Frank at October 28, 2006 2:15 PM

We all should fear Islam. A rational fear just like one should fear a tiger salivating and staring at you. Fear is a natural mechanism in our lives that can save our lives. It is not good if it gets out of hand and becomes irrational fear.

I fear Islam for what it has done, and what it will do in the future, especially when I am convinced that Islam's al-Mahdi corresponds to the Antichrist.

I don't think we can get away from the negative connotation of "Islamophobia" because in our English usage, -phobia has been used in the negative sense to mean "irrational fear".

I found two suggestions on the web:

islamorealist
islamosentient

Not that great, but usable. Perhaps someone with better Greek, Latin, etc can help us come up with a good word.

Posted by: yaqub at October 28, 2006 2:25 PM

This is from the Islamic Human Rights Commission's site

What is Islamophobia?
A contemporary and emerging form of prejudice Islamophobia can be described as stereotypes, bias or acts of hostility towards individual Muslims or followers of Islam in general. In addition to individual acts of intolerance and racial profiling, Islamophobia leads to viewing Muslims as a greater security threat on an institutional, systemic and societal level and perceiving their views to be intrinsically problematic, violent or unethical

That, ladies, gentlemen, and trolls, is an apt description. I have read this paragraph more than once and cannot find anything in that description that is insulting to me, a member of the Great Islamophobe Conspiracy.

The only thing missing from their description is a sentence like this - Islamophobia has been created by many acts of Quranic inspired violence and the complete lack of condemnation from moderate Muslim organizations such as the Council on Anerican Islamic Relations and the Islamic Human Rights Commission.

Posted by: Pelayo at October 28, 2006 2:32 PM

Wham! Splat!
Oh God! Now what was that?

The sound of bodies smashing
The crash of loved ones dashing

Fear..near...
Click on the news to hear
For twenty-four hours a day
Then they made it stop, so it went away

But something in my ear
Began to grow beyond the fear
I tried to put my finger on
What was there at times, but then was gone

So I began to grasp that I had to learn
Lest I too smash, lest I too burn

I owed it to my boy
I owed it to old joy

READ! Indeed!
The knowledge jolted me
The lessons stretched around my world
And back through history

And as I read with eyes anew
The bell of truth clanged it was true
Some final bits, then it was through

I'd learned islamophobia

Posted by: lietzout berzerker at October 28, 2006 2:53 PM

Islamophobia is a bullshit term that deserves to be laughed at.
Posted by: Frank
----

Agreed. You can't be terrified of an ideology or a religion as they are described in theory. So the term 'islamophobia' makes no sense. Anti-islam would be better word to describe people who oppose islam, and anti-muslim to describe people who oppose muslims.

Posted by: EliasAlucard at October 28, 2006 3:37 PM

Islamophobia – a psychological weapon of intimidation

A phobia is an irrational fear which has no foundation in reality. A common example is agoraphobia, where the sufferer is afraid of open spaces even though open spaces in themselves pose no threat. It is treated by the gradual exposure of the sufferer to the threatening situation in order to desensitise the person to that situation, in this way to enable them to learn that they are still safe. When a phobic person is faced with the feared object or situation they typically experience intense anxiety accompanied by sweating, shortness of breath and palpitations. As a result they make strenuous efforts to avoid the anxiety-provoking object as far as possible. An agoraphobic will avoid going out in the open; the social phobic will avoid social situations.

The term ‘Islamophobia’ suggests that people showing concern regarding Islam and its adherents are suffering from an irrational fear with no basis in reality. A person suffering from this phobia would be expected to experience intense anxiety and some of the physical symptoms outlined above when in the vicinity of muslims. They would avoid muslims physically and avoid thinking about them, since even the thought of muslims would provoke anxiety. Since when did our typical islamophobe avoid thinking about muslims? As an islamophobe myself, I can testify to being able to mingle with the muslims in my neighbourhood without experiencing any anxiety at all; no sweaty palms, no palpitations. And when I think about Islam, the emotional reaction is a combination of alarm, revulsion and disgust – but not anxiety of a phobic nature.

Why should anyone react towards Islam in this way? Could it be the attacks on free speech; the beheadings of prisoners; the penal code of the Shariah; the persecution of non-muslims in muslim countries; the assassination or intimidation of its critics; the treatment of apostates; the strife and repression that seems to characterise every location where Islam is dominant; etc etc.

The problem is not that those who fear Islam are irrational but that those who don’t just aren’t looking at the evidence.

Clearly, the use of the term ‘islamophobia’ is designed to delegitimize criticism or concern about the most militant movement in the world today. It does this by implying that anyone showing such concern is suffering from something akin to a mental disorder. Do the people who use this label really believe that Islam and its adherents cannot be reasonably interpreted as a threat either militarily, politically or demographically?

We can argue about the level of threat that Islam poses but one thing we shouldn’t do is call our concerns a phobia. We’re not having panic attacks; we’re not asking for valium; we’re not avoiding the subject; we’re not avoiding muslims.

As so often in Islam, intimidation is the weapon of choice in securing obedience and ‘Islamophobia’ is part of the armoury.

Posted by: Malta_1565 at October 28, 2006 4:26 PM

From Yahoo'd dictionary -

Phobia

NOUN:

1. A persistent, abnormal, and irrational fear of a specific thing or situation that compels one to avoid it, despite the awareness and reassurance that it is not dangerous.

2. A strong fear, dislike, or aversion.

Please note that the second definition does not have "irrational" or "abnormal."

As for the first definition, "despite the ... reassurance that it is not dangerous" does not help if the lkes of Ole Hoop, Esposito, et al are the ones who are passing out the reassurances.

Posted by: Pelayo at October 28, 2006 4:40 PM

"Islamophobe" is any infidel, who refuse to admit superiority of Islam over one's own religion and culture and refuse to be dhimmi. Just try to answer this question and you would get what is Islamophobe, "You would have heard about Islmaophobe Christian, Islamophobe HIndu, Islmophobe Buddhist, Islamophobe Jew but have you ever heard a Christianophobe, Hinduphobe, Budhhismophobe Muslim or Jewophobe Muslim". Because Islam is pure, beyond criticism and anyone criticising it must be attributed of some other motive than the intent on criticism, which is Islamophobe. Where as a Muslim, hating Christians, Buddhists, Jews, Hindu is perfectly sane and rational in even calling infidels pigs and monkeys, and is perfectly rational in so becuase of superiority of the Islam and does not need to be explained by some phobias or any ohter motive.

Posted by: pagan at October 28, 2006 6:24 PM

Everyone should be an Islamophobe. As another cultic doctrine of anti-human violence, no different than naziism or communism, Islam will hand you your head. Only a fool would not fear the Islamic cult.

That is not necessarily the same as being a Muslimophobe - whether an individual Muslim should be feared depends on his convictions... and his armament. But until you are certain, do not turn your back.

Posted by: Jimmy Bones at October 28, 2006 6:26 PM

OT repeat post

OBSESSION the movie is now online in 8 parts at youtube. It was pulled from Google, I doubt it will last on YT for very long …

Some quotes:

“There are cameras there for the whole World to see it, but the World refuses to see it”.

“Secular dogma like Nazism is less dangerous than the Islamofacism we see today because it is religious. It says, it’s God Almighty that’s ordering you to do this, not the Führer”

“No Kuffar is innocent”

If you recognize the value of this video . . .yes, share the link . . .but don’t stop there. Purchase a copy and make sure your library, your schools and religious libraries have a copy to share. It’s important to get the message out in every venue, but don’t forget the message has a financial aspect. To encourage this type of production, we have to financially support it as well.

http://www.obsessionthemovie.com/

Posted by: justamomof4 at October 28, 2006 10:41 PM

What is Islamophobia?
A contemporary and emerging form of prejudice Islamophobia can be described as stereotypes, bias or acts of hostility towards individual Muslims or followers of Islam in general. In addition to individual acts of intolerance and racial profiling, Islamophobia leads to viewing Muslims as a greater security threat on an institutional, systemic and societal level and perceiving their views to be intrinsically problematic, violent or unethical

What a clever definition of this new word, a word invented by muslims for the purpose of demonizing non-muslims and victimizing muslims. And of course, to protect islam from scrutiny and criticism. I like the second word in the definition of islamophobia, "contemporary", which implies that islamophobia is a new form of bigotry perpetrated by the usual suspects against poor, pitiful, innocent muslims simply because they are "different." Another strike against those evil, white European racists and their American cousins, who have not yet succumbed to morbid self-loathing, suicidal guilt, and self-destruction.

I think I know how the people of a predominately islamic nation would react if hordes of cross-wearing Christians invaded their country; built thousands of churches; formed hundreds of advocacy, civil rights, and terrorist organizations; demanded changes in the legal system to accomodate their religious beliefs; refused to assimilate; refused to conform to the native culture; and committed or threatened to commit acts of terrorism in protest of medieval jihads or perceived acts of aggression against Christians on the other side of the planet. Such a scenario would never occur in an islamic nation, so why is it occurring in our countries?

It's enough of an affront not to have any control or voice in muslim immigration, but to be expected to silently tolerate muslim arrogance is asking just a little too much.

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Posted by: Susanp at October 29, 2006 1:26 AM