"strategic implications"

Like helping the muslims in the west develop "sudden jihad syndrome"

Posted by: crusader619 at October 28, 2006 3:31 PM

"In order to be able to fight something, you have first of all to understand what is going on. And I don't think that at this stage they understand it well enough to fight it.from the article above.

Every day brings more enlightenment. When I think of the world over the last few decades, I liken it to a spring thunderstorm in the Midwest. In the beginning the storm was small bringing darkness and rain and a periodic lightening bolt(jihadi attack). But then the storm strengthened (9-11) and funnel clouds (anti-jihadi’s) began to develop. Now the funnel clouds have developed into a Tornado. Anti-jihadi’s gathering together increasing the intensity, creeping gradually up the ladder from F1 to now, I say about F3. The wood structures the Twister encounters are the arguments against anti-jihad. On approach, the arguments are literally ripped apart and flung high and low. Any who stand with the argument risk destruction. It does not even weaken the storm, on the contrary it grinds forward becoming more dangerous, spewing the obliterated fragments of arguments on any who dare to come close. Today the Tornado continues to grow in intensity. How big will it get, no one yet knows.

Posted by: tgusa at October 28, 2006 3:46 PM

"Even if we think we understand elements of the religion, we certainly don't understand elements of their cultural communications," the intelligence official said.

Well this offical is an insult to intelligence

The cultural communications can be understood if he should understand the functions of the mosques..

Posted by: shiva at October 28, 2006 4:20 PM

I wince when someone tells me that Washington needs to educate Muslims about Islam. I mean WINCE!

As a Christian, I would really hate it if some well-meaning Logical Positivist or Marxist were to tell me, "You and the Jews can keep out of each other's hair if you Christians stick to the New Testament and leave the Old to the Jews." The fact of the matter is that Jewish-Christian relations are complicated precisely because the Old Testament is indeed part of the Christian Bible, and Christianity began because one group of Jews held that M'shiach had come.

In the same way, I cannot expect Muslims to take kindly to being told by outsiders what their religion is supposed to be. My own advice to moderate Muslims appalled at the killing going on by members of their religion is to invite them to consider mine.

Posted by: Kepha at October 28, 2006 4:23 PM

Come to think of it, can anyone, arguing from Muslim presuppositions, rebut the jihadi position? For every Islamic "expert" who says that Muslims have no call to go to war with the USA, there will be one who says that the war has started, and it is the duty of Muslims to stand with fellow Muslims (i.e., the Taliban and Qaeda folks; not the new governments of Afghanistan and Iraq). Then, I foresee someone bringing up Sunni-Shi'ah-'Ibadi divides.

I doubt that the typical American foreign policy official, whose religious education stopped at age 10, when his parents stopped forcing him to go to Sunday School, will have an iota of a clue when it comes to figuring out Islamic doctrine and how itsinternal dialectics work.

Posted by: Kepha at October 28, 2006 4:27 PM

We shouldn’t be worrying about their propaganda we should match or surpass it. Why don’t we have video, which show our troops blasting young muslims to hell? Where are our videos of coffins being returned to far-flung villages all over the muslim world? Why don’t we show dying muslims begging for mercy? Why don’t we let detainees tell what they think of the jihad after 5 years at gitmo? Why don’t we let detainees tell the public how they were recruited, who recruited them and what they would tell their friends now? Where are our videos showing our counter snipers killing juba number 12-13-14 (I don’t know how many they lost but it is a bunch) so much for their heroes. Where are the press interviews of an old saudi couple whose stupid children ran off to jihad and left mom and pop broke with no one to care for them in their advanced years. Where are the interviews of armless muslims begging for street scraps because the jihad left him crippled for life?

Where are the interviews with afghans and iraqis who live far away from the fighting and now have wonderful lives? Where are the interviews with the residents who hunt the foreign fighters and kill them?

Here is a clue we suck at propaganda.

Posted by: Ronin at October 28, 2006 4:50 PM

It dawned on me reading this article from Reuters that it could have been written in Rome circa 60 -350 A.D., and the subject instead of Islam would have been those pesky Chrestianos.

Romans never got it, but Constantine did, with his center falling apart he coopted the new ideology and used it for his own purposes.

Expect the ruling class, the corporate elite, the wealthy globalists, transnationals, the military industrial petrochemical elite who own our political parties and manipulate the masses through their media control, who propagandize us into supporting schemes which are against our own best interests (like free trade, outsourcing, invading Iraq, etc), to embrace Islam as The Perfect Social Control Ideology.. Small steps have already been made, with Bush's recalcitrants in sealing in our borders, with Faith Based initiatives and offices in all government departments, with Imam's conducting their own Chaplaincy certification programs, with muslims completely controlling the translation departments of the FBI and CIA, and most damning of all, Dubya's partnership with SCIRI, al Maliki, Al Sistani, Al Hakim, which is a junior partner to the Revolutionary Council (Mullahcracy) of Iran, and of course the Dubya approved Islamotheocratic constitutions of Iraq and Afghanistan..

They are boiling the frog, and the frog (the Christian middle class, the Hannity, Oreilly, LImpballs crowd) supports and applauds them, votes for and defends them..

Posted by: Nariz at October 28, 2006 5:12 PM

I recently read a McClean's article by Mark Steyn on Muslim demographics. It is indeed bleak to consider that the median age in the Gaza Strip is 15.8 years while most of the Christian world is dying off because there are so few births. As Catholics, though, I think we need to remember Fatima, Portugal and the appearances of Mary. She said the ONLY way to world peace will be the following of Her (Son's...Mary does nothing on Her own) instructions to the Pope to consecrate Russia to the Immaculate Heart of Mary TOGETHER WITH ALL THE BISHOPS OF THE WORLD on the same day. She promised this would be done but it would be "late." But not "too late." There will be horrific suffering and catastrophes and it will look like evil has won, but the consecration will be done and peace will come to the world. And not the so-called peace of the Koran, peace "not as the world gives, give I thee" but true peace: The peace of Christ is not simply the end of wars and terrorism but a peace that enters hearts and souls making them love God and neighbor as He intended. The Pope needs our prayers to be able to carry out the consecration as Mary has asked. So many popes have tried but for the rebellion of bishops or for whatever reason, have been unable.

As Fulton Sheen has said, it is no mistake that Our Lady appeared at Fatima, a formerly insignificant town in Portugal bearing the same name as Mohammed's daughter, (dating back to the Muslim occupation.) On his daughter's death, Mohammed wrote, "Thou shalt be the most blessed of all women in Paradise, after Mary." In another variation,Fatima herself is made to say, "I surpass all the women, except Mary." Fulton Sheen says, "I believe that the Blessed Virgin chose to be known as 'Our Lady of Fatima' as a pledge and a sign of hope to the Muslim people, and as an assurance that they, who show her so much respect, will one day accept her divine Son, too." Of course, most Muslims don't see this as a sign of hope now, but only will in retrospect.

Posted by: Dina at October 28, 2006 5:12 PM

Islam is a religion of love and tolerance but sadly, many Muslims don't realise this.*- this is a comment written by a Muslim on a UK Islamic site.

That is what I rate it as deception. The guy who commented is apparantly a Mr. 'Dr'. It is amazing the guy gets a Ph.D. and I guess he is reading the QuRan each day and can't figure the woods from the trees.

Islam is some psychlogical wind-up. Once they get you you 'r a gonne.

Posted by: MusHuntCowboy at October 28, 2006 5:49 PM

There are two sides to this coin. For several years my work had brought me into close contact with large numbers of Muslims and I had even been in the situation of looking systematically through the stock of a mosque bookshop. Largely through a lifelong interest in history, and a particular interest in the writings of Edward Gibbon, I had long since come to the conclusion that Islam was a somewhat primitive and slightly sinister religion. My main quibble was that it seemmed to severely limit the freedom of women. The idea of a faith being founded by a man who'd had at least a dozen wives struck me as partiularly bizarre.It ws only with the accesss to information afforded by the internet that I was able to find systematic confirmation, along with chapter and verse, for my suspicions.

Posted by: wallyUK at October 28, 2006 5:58 PM

If western countries totally withdraw from Muslim world, stop helping them in all the way, cut all the flow of technology, know how etc., byecott the citizens of those countries, I do not think these JIhadist countries would even survive. This is the only and best way of dealing with it. Tell me where I am wrong?
Meanwhile, in order to satisfy, 'white man's burden itch' of exporting democracy, liberty etc. they can focus on sub saharan africa, which needs them most.

Posted by: pagan at October 28, 2006 5:59 PM

Ronin,
I suspect it wouldn't be too effective in discouraging Jihadists, by showing their "brothers in arms" being killed by the West. They look forward to death as martyrs so any video of their wholesale slaughter would be celebrated as documenting their comrades' glorious accension into Allah's Eternal Brothel.

But how can we logically reason with these delusional savages, when their indoctrination appears permanent? Perhaps the best way to fight this "cancer" is prevention, but the only way to prevent it is to reform Islam but that has to happen from within, and it just ain't happenin'.

Until Islam can be reformed to co-exist with modern civilization, Jihadists need to be incarcerated for life, without access to their beloved "War Manual", fed pork, and face their immovable cell-toilets toward Mecca. That would instill more fear into the hearts of Jihadists than any video from Western sniper and bomb cameras.

Posted by: Xero G at October 28, 2006 6:11 PM

I once Dennis Prager say that the real test of moral courage came not when it was necessary to confront groups that oppose one's point of view, but came when it is necessary to confront the evil being done by people we agree with under most circumstances. Under such a standard, "moderate" Muslims are morally bankrupt and really no different than the "good Germans" who did not actively participate in the SA and other Nazi organizations prior to World War 2. It is the silence of the so-called "moderate Muslims" that is the ground, the foundation of Jihad. Ultimately, so-called "moderate" Muslims will be responsible for the holocaust that will come upon the Muslim Mideast when thugs like the president of Iran let loose the forces of martyrdom. Remember what I write here "moderate Muslim". Your silence was the foundation of the catastrophe that is coming to the Muslim Mideast.

Posted by: Frank at October 28, 2006 6:14 PM

Pagan,

You are absolutely correct, however this is impossible to do. We must have the Oil the middle east has to offer and they want our technology in return. In our current situation we are powerless to change this dichotomy.

This is why it is imperative that we become energy independent as soon as possible. If not, we are buying our own destruction one barrel of oil at a time.

Posted by: Aquila at October 28, 2006 6:35 PM

I agree with Kepha that it is unlikely that even moderate Muslims will welcome outsiders (who they would consider Christians, most likely) trying to define what Islam should be.
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from above:

It has to be done by those who have moral and intellectual credibility among Muslims -- and yes, this is another virtually insurmountable hurdle, since reformers immediately open themselves to charges from jihadists that they are disloyal Muslims for questioning the literal words of the Qur'an and Muhammad.
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I think this is one of the central dillemmas we face. Of course there are individual Muslims who are peaceful, decent individuals. There have even been certain periods in history, or certain localities, that were majority Muslim, yet have been largely peaceful.

But in all these cases, it has been that certain Muslim individuals or societies have fallen away from the practice of some of the more disturbing and strident aspects of Islam. To my knowledge, there has *never* been any sort of active reform movement.

So it is that moderate Muslims are left without any accepted religious arguments when confronted by hard-line interpretations of the Koran and Hadiths--because this is the *real* Islam.

The Koran is full of admonishments that Muslims *should not* be willing to live peacefully with their non-Muslim neighbors, *should not* love their families or their homes or their lives more than they love Jihad, *should not* spend their wealth on their businesses, education or children, but rather on "the cause of Allah" (Jihad).

Any Muslim who preaches tolerance of unbelievers is thus always open to the charge of being a hypocrite, backslider or apostate, who is considered doomed to Hell and subject to being killed by their more hard-line co-religionists.

Knowing history as I do, I don't think that reform is *impossible*, but I think it will be damn difficult. A large, organized number of Muslims would have to be willing to try to actively re-define their religion. Considering their own history, and the terrible threats they would face from Jihadis, I find this unlikely.

I don't want to be pessimistic, but I'm not sure we can count on much from moderate Muslims in this fight. I would really love to be proven wrong on this point, though.

Posted by: gravenimage at October 28, 2006 6:41 PM

I wonder how many "moderate" muslims become not so moderate when the turning point of Islamic saturation is reached in a country they've settled in (ie like they did in Egypt). Ill bet you dollars to donuts those "moderates" will be dancing singing allah ackbar and cutting the heads of the remaining nonmuslims once its safe to do, once the state (of whatever country they have settled in) is safely islamic. This is so obvious, Im sure to most of you on here, but to people out there in everyday liberal land --its apparently a new thing.

Posted by: THE ALLIES SHALL WIN at October 28, 2006 6:46 PM

From the article above:

"But the program is hampered by stringent security standards that make it hard for intelligence agencies to employ Islamist experts from the Arab world."

Why can't we enlist the help of the American Jewish/Israeli community??? It seems to me that most of them are adept at Arabic and other lanquages spoken in the Mideast! And, I don't seem to recall any of them strapping a bomb to their vest and blowing up innocent civilians...

Just my humble opinion.

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Posted by: Doctor Bulldog at October 28, 2006 6:55 PM

Re; "It is unopposed because the vaunted overwhelming majority of moderate Muslims has as yet framed no response to the theological presentations of the jihadists. Only the willfully self-deceived and irredeemably credulous believe that this immense work has already been done".-Robert

It's also the team mentality at work in preventing the work from being done by "moderate" Muslims.

When Dennis Prager pointed out the unwillingness of most people to confront evil in those who are on "our side" he touched on an element of human nature that is the cause of much suffering in this world. We often give a pass to people who unjustly harm others simply because they are part of our team, and root for our team. It is this tribal element in our nature that often permits us to see the "outsider" as less than a human being. (There is not one nation, not one empire, that has not been established by the violent conquest, and very often the extermination of some "indigemnous people". Arabs, Europeans, Chinese, Africans, "Native Americans", Aryans, Persians, etc.-all have this kind of blood on their hands). It a universal pattern with our species. (Frankly, I think humans suck.)

Waffa Sultan seems to address this aspect of Islam in some of her comments. (But it is not exclusive to Islam, as she well knows.) The "team" is sometimes based on race, sometimes religion, sometimes politics, country, family or whatever-but our human capacity for adherence to fact-truth as the basis of loyalty is rare. It's usually an us vs. them primitive-tribal mentality at work. We see this with "moderate" Muslims as they deceive or remain silent for the team.

Humans are generally not advocates for truth-fact, but advocates for the team in matters of group conflicts. What else can explain the demented silence of Muslims in the face of the Jew-hating comments of the president of Iran? It's the team that matters. It's an aspect of human nature that is simply more lethal with Muslims at this time.

Posted by: Frank at October 28, 2006 7:16 PM

The only time our species will unite is when we are faced with some common catastrophe that threatens the whole species. If we are invaded by aliens from another galaxy and we are "what's for dinner" then our tribal nature might work for the whole. But anyone who thinks that most humans are willing to discuss their differences on a fact-truth-reason basis is naieve. It's the team that matters. I'm certain someone as smart as Robert has lost his naieve beliefs on that, a naieve belief he also had re that. It's not the real world.

Posted by: Frank at October 28, 2006 7:33 PM

38 Muslim notables recently published a statement in response to Pope Benedict's Regensburg address. It is arguably a good example of a moderate Islamic viewpoint. My question is: is it a major event, a sideshow, or a smokescreen?

Posted by: Darryl Harb at October 28, 2006 7:40 PM

Ronin,
I suspect it wouldn't be too effective in discouraging Jihadists, by showing their "brothers in arms" being killed by the West. They look forward to death as martyrs so any video of their wholesale slaughter would be celebrated as documenting their comrades' glorious accension into Allah's Eternal Brothel.

Posted by: Xero G

Granted that is the excepted belief but why not try and show the sheer stupidity of it? What do we have to lose? Think out side the box for a minute. They claim they want to die for allah and then we see a shortage of suicide bombers, hmmm they lie about everything else, maybe they really are ok killing but don't want to die themselves.

The propaganda might not win over the radicals but the average muslim will scream for it to stop when he realizes he can’t win. History has shown they always go dormant when they perceive their opponent to be stronger. We are stronger but they believe the liberal media and think we are weak, we can continue to thin them out or show we are superior and let them save a few “youths”. If we don’t stop this soon they will lose the better part of this generation.

This is just a reverse of their own propaganda, they do exactly what I am talking about to make themselves look like tough and scary, it doesn’t work with us but it resonates in their communities. That is what propaganda is for, it has to resonate with the intended audience.

We only have two ways to win, genocide or convince them it will cost them too much to continue. I am not ready to kill one fifth of the planet, until I run out of other ideas.

Posted by: Ronin at October 28, 2006 8:22 PM

Henry, re: abortion

I believe you are right (although I think it is the de-Christianized and anti-Christian that commit this atrocity more often than the Christian.) And there you have (in Mother Teresa's words) the greatest crime of the century, i.e. abortion. The Old Testament is rife with examples of God's chosen people bringing punishment on themselves for their sins, using pagans and barbarians as instruments of chastizement. But He does not leave the pagans and barbarians unpunished for their crimes, either. We need to re-Christianize ourselves and our society. Of course, the first step is always prayer to the one true God.

Posted by: Dina at October 28, 2006 8:24 PM

At the pinnacle of this barbarity lies the arab petrodollar and punjabi terrorists.

When these evil doers lauch their propaganda obviously they are funded from somewhere and have trained computer professionals to spread their message online.

99% of these vicious scumbags belong to arab-punjabi axis of evil.

Posted by: mystichealer at October 28, 2006 8:25 PM

"The "team" is sometimes based on race, sometimes religion, sometimes politics, country, family or whatever-but our human capacity for adherence to fact-truth as the basis of loyalty is rare. It's usually an us vs. them primitive-tribal mentality at work. We see this with "moderate" Muslims as they deceive or remain silent for the team." -from Frank's post above

The instinct for survival, which translates into fear of annihilation and death, is the energy behind adaptation and hence, conditioning. The child finds himself in the situation of having to be what his environment (parents) dictates in order for him to survive. So we can say that it is due to the instinct for self-preservation that acquiescence to the coercive forces in the environment occurs. The child, then, adopts his parents' values and attitudes or rebels against them (but since overt renunciaion of Islam is punishable by death or accepted as condemnation to eternal hell, most rebels remain silent.) In either case, he is conditioned to be and to act in certain ways, which, through the passage of time, become so ingrained that he takes them to be his identity. Slowly he forgets his true identity and becomes what he is being conditioned to be and to believe.

Posted by: Malinois at October 28, 2006 9:17 PM

Look what I just found on a jehadist website... If *I* can find stuff like this.. why can't the FBI or whomever is in charge of rooting them out?

lubna
04-08-2005, 21:52
Assalamoalykum brother

Alhumdulillah! i liked your reply, as this is how i felt after reading this post only am not as good with expressing my feelings in words sometimes.... for being a woman....:)

why should we muslim worry about the fate of kaabah when Allah himslef took care of it in the past and will certainly do it in the future. we all read surah Al Feel in the Quraan.

may Allah give victory to the muslims and make islam prevail the lands Ameen.

wassalam
lubna
Om_Mohammed
06-08-2005, 17:12
Assalaamu alaikum.

Basically, I think that it behooves us muslims, and in particular those who live in the vaccinity of the Haram...to know what the enemy kuffar are up to and intend towards doing.

It is a basic war tactic that one be prepared from any attempt of the enemy.

And I think that anyone even slightly familiar with the Quran will realize that no matter what man may do (whether they be muslim or otherwise), it is ultimately Allah's permission as to whether something is destroyed or not.

The recitation of Surat-al-Fil (the elephant) is fine testimony to that indeed.

Ameen @ 'may Allah give victory to the muslims and make Islam prevail in all lands'.

You can see they call us 'haram' and kufar' and they intend to 'make islam [piss be on it] prevail in all lands'. Is that not enough to extradite them? I mean here they are.. living in OUR lands.. talking openly about making their cult prvail in our lands.. and calling us nasty names. Clearly a case of 'don't sh*t where you eat' - but that's what they do best of all!

Posted by: germaninamerica at October 28, 2006 9:33 PM

(condemning Jihad terror war ideology) has to be done by those who have moral and intellectual credibility among Muslims -- and yes, this is another virtually insurmountable hurdle, since reformers immediately open themselves to charges from jihadists that they are disloyal Muslims for questioning the literal words of the Qur'an and Mohammed.

Mohammed may have been the single greatest scumbag in world history, but the jackass was an organizational genius.

He put together a self-perpetuating growth machine that can only be stopped by blowing it up. All of it.

Posted by: Alarmed Pig Farmer at October 28, 2006 9:50 PM

germaninamerica,

Good googling!

It was quite interesting to note that a woman was writing this stuff. I am sure that Muhammed (Piss be upon him) would not listen to just one woman, however... Sura II:282

http://doctorbulldog.wordpress.com

Posted by: Doctor Bulldog at October 28, 2006 9:52 PM

"In either case, he is conditioned to be and to act in certain ways, which, through the passage of time, become so ingrained that he takes them to be his identity".-Malinois

There seems to be some primitive-tribal identification need within humans. History shows every tribe, every nation, every empire has been established by violence, by the conquest and subjugation, and very often by the extermination, of some lately so-called "indigenous people". The Arabs were very successful in this and used Islam as their tool of imperial expansion (though they too are in denial about this). The Europeans did much the same with the so-called native Americans in the New World, and before the arrival of the Europeans the "native Americans" were busy exterminating each other for similar reasons. The pattern in history (everywhere) is one of humans cooperating very well in groups when there is a "enemy"-and doing so on some racial, "religious", sectarian, ideological, ethnic, or other group identity basis.

Current Jihad is just another manifestation of a group identification and cooperation based on an external "enemy". Islamic concepts of Dar-al-Islam vs. Dar-al-Harb are a perfect expression of this primitive mentality.

However, the world can no longer afford this infantile nonsense. We are at a technological point in history where the tribal nature of humans could result in a nuclear war. The Jihadists are playing with fire if they don't realize that the rest of humankind will do what is necessary (after a certain point) to crush them. The delusional nature of people like the president of Iran literally belongs to the 7th and 8th century. In the 21st century-he's got to go. (He's got the "we good, them bad" tribal mentality, including the tribal god, to a "t".)

Will we ever get beyond our tribal nature? I doubt it since it appears to be part of human nature. But we may realize that this is not a unique part of any group but common to the species and that if we control it and direct it we may use this energy in a constructive way. Human cooperation will come if we get beyond the blame game and recognize the demented nature of our species, a species that treats belief-systems as if they are fact and cooperates best when we have an "enemy".

However, nobody who is realistic should hope for the best in this matter.

Posted by: Frank at October 28, 2006 11:19 PM

No surprise there, the Bush administration sets "war on terror" strategy based on press releases from the Saudi embassy, how can you expect them to actually understand the enemy? Rewind back to Iraq sometime ago, the security situation is passable other then some problems with looters, and the US army and private contractors are busy doing rebuilding projects. Zarqawi issues a videotape warning Muslism that Iraq is on the way to becoming a prosperous democracy and makes a religious appeal for muslims to come to Iraq to kill infidels. He is laughed at by senior US army brass, obviously Islam is a "religion of peace" so this tacky ploy by Zarqawi will never work,and only proves we are winning. Well, the muslim money, men and arms pour in, local Iraqi groups organize and get motivated and look where we are today (so thankfully, Zarqawi is dead). You think Zarqawi may have known something about "the religion of peace" that Bush didn't? I disagree that Iraq war is a failure, because the US army is killing jihadis there by the thousands. But to expect some sort of democracy or gratitude from the Iraqi government...I think the best thing to do is let the northern Iraqi Kurds have Kurdistan so the US army has a secure base and a relatively reliable ally, so that the Arabs know that if there is another terror attack on the US, we have the troops on the ground in the Middle East to go after the state behind it.

Posted by: godfreyofbouillon at October 29, 2006 12:01 AM

I agree that we are heading for a cleen sweep. I am the least bit afraid of Islam. God is not on the side of Islam, Satan most surely is, and the latter thrives on terror and pain. These are the tools of cowards and losers. The time of Islam is up, which is generating the frenzied desperation. Its adherents are terrified of the lurking shadows, seeing the enemy in all God's creation. It is this rotting emotion that is spreading like contagion. Which is why we must be on guard not to be internally sabotaged, each one of us, through terror or doubt.

The great work of Robert, Hugh, and all the others ensures that there's enough light shinning in the shadows and the dark, leaving no room for the vermin to succeed in their multi-tongued prevarication. It is an old trick of Satan to speak in many different voices, taqiyya! This battle will be won for humanity so long as there is one right thinking individual speaking out loud -- and thank God, there's more than one.

I see a grand design in all this. Let the polarisation be complete. Let all the psychopaths amass together. They will most likely cannibalise their apologists first, before even beginning in earnest. Most of their leaders, their Mullahs and Imams are plain illiterate, like this Hilaly, kicking a lot of desert sand in the air as cover for the educated terrorists. Each one has a role to play, it would seem. But it is so wrong and rotten to the core, it can only attract like to itself. It is not strength that draws them together, rather weakness, and first of all, a corruption of the God-given gift of free intellect. How can they succeed in the face of a strong and determined opposition?

Why worry, see all the fetid mass concentrating in a rising stench. The time for the clean up is near. Good to keep your powders dry and the batteries clean, and they will all go. We can rejoice in authentic Peace for a very long time after that. Kudos to the Sacred Warriors like the makers of JW for serving to clearly define the fight that is to come!

Posted by: pagandkapitat at October 29, 2006 12:45 AM

mystichealer: What's wrong with you? What do you have against the Punjabis per se, who are a regional and linquistic group split first by Islamic jihad and then through the Partition of India into Pakistani Muslims from the State of West Punjab, versus Hindu and Sikh Punjabis of India? The Indian PM is also a Punjabi! The Paki Punjabis, on the other hand, by definition, are a jihadi mix of various Arab, Turk, Mongolian, Persian rapists who converted by force, both in East (Bangladesh) and West Pakistan! Please don't obfuscate issues. I understand and agree with the charge that it is the incendiary mix of the Arab petrodollar and Pakistani ideology that has created the current monster of worldwide jihad. [Also continuing American aid -- military, economic and humanitarian, both to Saudi Arabia, which has the AWACS (to protect the Kaaba?) and Pakistan.]

Posted by: pagandkapitat at October 29, 2006 1:27 AM

germaninamerica: Great find.

1. 'why should we muslim worry about the fate of kaabah' -- t'would be interesting to know what gameplan they have in defense of the kaabah. Will they once again, use American military aid for the purpose? It is a good sign that they are worried.

2. 'those who live in the vaccinity of the Haram...'. The Haram are so well vaccinated against Islam by now, thanks to Allah, that no amount of taqiyya will work any longer.

Alarmed Pig Farmer: 'Mohammed may have been the single greatest scumbag in world history, but the jackass was an organizational genius.

He put together a self-perpetuating growth machine that can only be stopped by blowing it up. All of it.'

The Kaabah is the nucleus, the dynamo of Islam. It is an ancient powerspot, a ritual astronomical observatory whose meaning was destroyed by the notorious Scumbag of Islam. The 360 deities were a factor of Cosmic Energy as the focused solar light touched each geocentric degree in the earth's annual orbit around the Sun. By destroying the intrinsic design, the Scumbag subverted its science -- a tradition followed by the jihadis wherever they went thereafter -- but the energy of the Powerspot that was concentrated in the central stone and the springwell of Zamzam was usurped in a twisted ritual that could only emanate from Satan! Thus, it was not the organisational genius of the first Scumbag, rather, the Power Spot itself that powered Islam to spread far and wide.

But the Pagans believe that the powerspots are a factor of the Earth and Celestial energies that spring from the good and wholesome Natural Design behind the creation of the Universe, and when one such becomes a fulcrum of Evil, either the Earth is flung off its axis, or there is divine intervention to destroy that Evil and save the Earth. She is now gravid enough with the Evil sludge of Jihad, unable to bear anymore. Time to say goodbye to the Kaabah! Lubna need not worry, for that is God's Writ after all!!!

Posted by: pagandkapitat at October 29, 2006 1:58 AM

The 39 ways to wage jihad is a pretty good read: b13777.com/39%20Ways%20to%20Serve%20Jihad.doc

We’re all guilty of Number 21: Following and Distributing News of the Jihad.

My favorite is Number 26: Weapons Training and Marksmanship. Here’s a link to the rifle range: http://youtube.com/watch?v=GvHhWcZrE0o (link posted a few months ago but pretty funny).

Posted by: limes at October 29, 2006 2:53 AM

If western countries totally withdraw from Muslim world, stop helping them in all the way, cut all the flow of technology, know how etc., byecott the citizens of those countries, I do not think these JIhadist countries would even survive. This is the only and best way of dealing with it. Tell me where I am wrong?
Meanwhile, in order to satisfy, 'white man's burden itch' of exporting democracy, liberty etc. they can focus on sub saharan africa, which needs them most.
Posted by: pagan

YES YES and YES!! You ain't wrong at all, brother!

Posted by: germaninamerica at October 29, 2006 3:12 PM

Mark Styne comments that the hope that "reform" will come from "moderate" muslims is idle.

The reform has already taken place and it is the jihad movement.

I was surprised to hear that 50 years ago most of the parts of the world that are today infested with blood-thirsty jihadis, were then quite calm and run along fairly secular lines.

Styne, not encouragingly, indicates that our best hope is a retrograde movement toward the more casual and relaxed circumstances of the past.

Not a hope, I will add, that has often panned out in human affairs.

Posted by: joeblough at October 29, 2006 6:18 PM

Wally UK posted "My main quibble was that it seemmed to severely limit the freedom of women."

Welcome Wally, you know, I came to despise Islam well before 9/11 for a somewhat similar reason.

I once worked as an English teacher, and one semester a large group of muslim somolis, both men and women joined the class.

The class was run by an ex-hippie, super-feminist, women liberal to the core. I was the only male teacher. The male somolis refused to allow the female teacher to talk to them, requesting that I teach them. The female somolis also only wanted to talk to the female teacher. The female teacher told the group in no uncertain terms that she ran the class her way, which meant the teachers would instruct the students regardless of sex and they could take a hike if they did not like it. The males did not return after the 3rd class. The women did, and I instructed them as I would any other student.

That ex-hippie, years before 9-11, taught me that the sexist values of Muslims were wrong and must be apposed. Post 9-11 everyone opposes Islam for its violence as well.

Posted by: ryoga at October 29, 2006 8:18 PM

Three times Rome made war on Carthage. The last time, the Romans eliminated the Carthaginians. To the Roman mind, the choice was Rome or Carthage, and there was no middle ground. The only way we moderns know Carthage existed is because the Romans wrote histories of the wars.

Ronin (good alias) is not yet ready to commit himself to the extermination of one-fifth of the human race in order to solve Western civilization's problem with Islam. I am. I submit that we must treat the 12 year old students in madrasahs as enemy combatants and kill them and their teachers on sight. We stand in the modern forum, and we must choose between Rome and Carthage: Carthage must die.

However, I do not think we shall have to kill one-fifth of the human race. The radical minority, 2%, should suffice. But of course, there will be collateral casualties. C'est la guerre.

To those of the Dar al-Islam, we are the Dar al-Harb (the House of War). Let us live up to that name. Let us carry the crusade back to them.

"You are either with us or against us."

Posted by: antares at October 29, 2006 10:01 PM