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November 6, 2006

"The disgraced mufti of Australia set Muslims a test last month and they failed"

Important reflections from Andrew Bolt. "Backing a bigot," from the Herald-Sun, with thanks to all who sent this in:

ANDREW Bolt writes: It's the code of the tribe: the worst of us is better than the best of you. We have urgent work to do if we want to save ourselves.

Excuses over. The disgraced mufti of Australia set Muslims a test last month and they failed.

That test couldn't have been easier: make Sheik Taj el-Din al-Hilaly pay for preaching that unveiled women invited rape.

Prove that Muslims can't be led by a man who says raped women must be "jailed for life". Prove we have nothing to fear from your faith.

Simple? Yet yesterday 34 Muslim groups signed a petition backing this bigot, while others plan a big rally for Sydney tomorrow, denouncing not Hilaly but the non-Muslims who criticise him.

The results are in: Islam here -- as represented by many of its leaders -- is now a threat.

What's more: our culture of self-hate makes us too weak to properly resist.

I know saying such things is hard on the many moderate Muslims I keep insisting are out there. I am sorry for that, but where in God's name are those people? How much longer must we wait for them to speak?

Posted by Robert at November 6, 2006 5:51 AM
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Andrew Bolt is a rather courageous fellow.

His blog is heavily censored, he snips and cuts whatever he considers offensive or unsuitable -Spencer does it too,but allows a tad more freedom of expression,- but when Andrew comes out with something like that above it just hits you like a breath of fresh air on an ice-cold winter morning... (not where I live though; NQL is hot all year round)

Unfortunately Andrew Bolt doesn't pretend to be a likeable character, he is like the lone voice in the desert:
Few, if any -, in our PC-ridden environment back him, which infuriates me and doesn't help our cause at all. Andrew puts himself at risk, his job, his future, his life is without any doubt threatened, Australia didn't have her Theo Van Gogh yet, but there is always a first time...

I still can't find a publisher for my music, let alone finding a studio to do a few more songs and the final mix. It's the same with getting my blog up; I have yet to find someone who doesn't back off because of the Mohammedan nightmare... Its amazing how little it takes to whack a whole country into submission... But not that any of our PC-heroes would ever admit that there is a problem....

Posted by: sheik yer'mami [TypeKey Profile Page] at November 6, 2006 7:11 AM

I know saying such things is hard on the many moderate Muslims I keep insisting are out there. I am sorry for that, but where in God's name are those people?

Like any respectable Unicorn, standing ankle deep in its hown horsesheet, and reciting such verses as this, the stuff from which moderation is made:

Little do you remember My warning. How many towns have We destroyed as a raid by night? Our punishment took them suddenly while they slept for their afternoon rest. Our terror came to them; Our punishment overtook them
--- God talking bloodlust in Koran 7:3

Posted by: Alarmed Pig Farmer [TypeKey Profile Page] at November 6, 2006 7:12 AM

"I know saying such things is hard on the many moderate Muslims I keep insisting are out there. I am sorry for that, but where in God's name are those people? How much longer must we wait for them to speak?"

Mr Bolt, we all are asking the same question. The answer IS INDEED IN and the silence is deafening. Let's hope we see more media PC types finally getting the message. As more and more of these get burned one by one (just like here--and they have to defend the indefensible), more will break ranks and speak up.

I think the problem is that it galls us to face the truth. It means the world has become so much more perilous and we don't want to live in this real world vs the nice world of diversity and pluralism.

Posted by: BB [TypeKey Profile Page] at November 6, 2006 7:21 AM

Deport him. Teach the muslim males they will take responsibility for what they say and do. If we're needing to monitor mosques, why allow them in our countries? When will the people allowing this trash talking cult stop the influx? Remember, islam is just like Nazism. Only worse.

Posted by: freewoman [TypeKey Profile Page] at November 6, 2006 7:27 AM

The only place a moderate Muslim might be found I'd venture to say could be Israel. Those Muslims there who follow the laws of Israel and want to live in peace in this most "unholy" of infidel lands might qualify for the title. And even saying that is probably quite a stretch. Muslims anywhere else in the infidel world are either indifferent ones or jihadist leaning. No middle ground for them.

Posted by: ISLAMSFORLOSERS [TypeKey Profile Page] at November 6, 2006 7:43 AM

"Andrew Bolt doesn't pretend to be a likeable character, he is like the lone voice in the desert"
-- from a posting above

But Andrew Bolt is likeable, perfectly likeable, far more likeable than those who smile, and smile, who only mislead in the interests of keeping a false peace, and lead their flock of sheep first in circles and then over the cliff.

And when one vox clamantis in deserto meets another vox clamantis in deserto, and then another, why soon you have a chorus.*

*[Unless it's only Men of Dartmouth giving a rouse/For the college on the hill! -- see "Along the Trail" by Richard Hovey, p. 66]

Posted by: Hugh [TypeKey Profile Page] at November 6, 2006 7:49 AM

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/search/story.cfm?storyid=000CDBFE-21FA-154B-9AF483027AF1010E

He said the Koran was clear that women should cover themselves ”from the wrist right down to the ankles and all over except the face - that is one interpretation. The other interpretation is that they should be completely covered.“

Writing on the ”Info for NZ Muslims website“, Syrian-born Mr Arwani called on Muslims to support Sheik Alhilali. ”The argument that men should control themselves is ludicrous. It is just like saying thieves should not rob houses whose doors and windows are left wide open," he said.

---
from lgf

Excusing rape and theft. Opportunity equals permission.

Posted by: Borg [TypeKey Profile Page] at November 6, 2006 8:26 AM

Syrian-born Mr Arwani called on Muslims to support Sheik Alhilali. ”The argument that men should control themselves is ludicrous. It is just like saying thieves should not rob houses whose doors and windows are left wide open," he said.

There's that curious inability to distinguish significant differences in degree and in kind, typical of puritanical and totalitarian psychologies. It's also helps to explain the consanguinity between Leftists and Muslims -- Leftists, who obstinately refuse to tell the difference between collateral damage in war, and murder.

Posted by: remote_control [TypeKey Profile Page] at November 6, 2006 8:55 AM

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/6120560.stm
Another misunderstander of islam.

Posted by: Borg [TypeKey Profile Page] at November 6, 2006 9:05 AM

This is the time when I get to say" "I told you so!"

Moderate Muslims are a myth, a world in denial, a herd of unicorns.

The only time a Muslim is "moderate" is either when he/she is speaking on CNN before a public audience, ill-informed (has not read the Qu'ran), non-practicing/cultural or aware of the ugly truth about his/her own cult and on the cusp of personal apostacy and looking for an escape route.

Islam is the Enemy.

The Simple Truth.

Own it.

Posted by: Foehammer [TypeKey Profile Page] at November 6, 2006 9:29 AM

Simple? Yet yesterday 34 Muslim groups signed a petition backing this bigot, while others plan a big rally for Sydney tomorrow, denouncing not Hilaly but the non-Muslims who criticise him.

Hopefully the fire hoses will be used to wash away all this filth.

Posted by: ISLAMSFORLOSERS [TypeKey Profile Page] at November 6, 2006 9:31 AM

Australian men it is your duty to defend and protect your women from the the disgusting remarks of this mufti who has spread uncivilized nonsense throughout your country for nearly thirty years now with hardly a challenge it appears.

Does it take a grandmother such as Elaine Davidson to be the one who stands up to this mufti and those Muslims who support him. He should be held accountable for what a generation of Muslim youths think and feel when it comes to your women.

Australian Men should confront this warped ideology that seeks to denegrate your women and speak out at every turn, and if you do not then you are saying that you are not capable of defending, and defining your institutions of moral living either religiously or not.

Don't stand on the sidelines and let this ideology that came from the 10th century be promoted in your country anymore because it is like a cancer that must be treated or it will get out of control.

Let them know that this is not a country that was created for their ideology and that it does not belong here.

For Muslims the perversion of multiculteralism is to their advantege because they do not wish to respect your religions,your courts,your government institutions, and your established foundations.

Australian men it should be a no brainer to defend yourselves, and your women from this ever incroaching ideology who knows no boundaries.

Posted by: Mackie [TypeKey Profile Page] at November 6, 2006 9:57 AM

Mackie, the men should not have to defend "their" women. My wife carries a Ladysmith .38 in her handbag. Aussie women should have the same rights.

Posted by: Infidel33 [TypeKey Profile Page] at November 6, 2006 10:27 AM

Infidel33:

If I'm not mistaken, Unfortunatley CCW permits or the right to carry guns has been taken away from the Australian people.

Posted by: Mackie [TypeKey Profile Page] at November 6, 2006 10:37 AM

Mackie is correct in that the Australians have been unarmed for a few years. The law enforcement agency in the city where I reside has made an artwork out of the guns they have confiscated. Lemmings following one another is what most Americans are. The blind leading the blind, except for the small percentage of Americans who take the time to find out what is really going on in the world.

Posted by: ubaggy1 [TypeKey Profile Page] at November 6, 2006 10:58 AM

Read the comment again, ubaggy1. I said that Aussie women SHOULD have the same rights (to carry a conceiled weapon). I assumed there is no impetus for this in Australia as there is no equivalent to our 2nd Amendment in the Australian Constitution, and each state makes its own laws.

Posted by: Infidel33 [TypeKey Profile Page] at November 6, 2006 11:04 AM

concealed

Posted by: ubaggy1 [TypeKey Profile Page] at November 6, 2006 11:10 AM

My appolagies.

Posted by: Infidel33 [TypeKey Profile Page] at November 6, 2006 11:34 AM

"A perversion". How many times have we heard this?

For any other religion, yes. For Islam, however--not a perversion but the original state. Because Islam, like the regime of Sparta, like the ideology of 1930's Germany and like the "dialectic" that held sway over much of the world for over 70 years last century, is a political plan first. "Reform" would be not a "rediscovery of the original, non-violent Islam" (there isn't any--no more than there is for the other fascisms) but the transformation of Islam into a religion, a spirituality having "Live and let live" at its basis for interreligious relations.

If it is possible at all. And, if possible, then if there is time for it. It doesn't look that way. We're not people at ease right now.

Posted by: ZionistYoungster [TypeKey Profile Page] at November 6, 2006 11:56 AM

Sheik al-Hilaly teaches that an uncovered woman invites rape by triggering the uncontrollable sexual urges of (otherwise peaceful) Muslim males.

He must not have received the memo; Rape is a crime of violence, not uncontrolled sexual desire. (Perhaps an argument could be made that uncovered women might invite Muslim masturbation?)

Rape, to a Muslim male, is just another outlet for his demented rage against the West. It's not the act of "covering" per se, that protects a woman from Islamist rape...it's the public identification as being a Muslim that gives them a "pass" for being a suitable target.

Posted by: Xero G [TypeKey Profile Page] at November 6, 2006 12:24 PM

The argument that men should control themselves is ludicrous muslin men see so few females its undersandable that that they go nuts when they have to deal with a woman that is more than there equal
mind you western men are use too dealing with women as equals Sheik al-Hilaly teaches that an uncovered woman invites rape by triggering the uncontrollable sexual urges of (otherwise peaceful) Muslim males.
but given the average muslim males tendancy to riot a drop a turban i have to ask are they anything but spoiled roten 2 year olds in adult bodys mind you i have seen far better behaved 2 year old than the average muslim male

Posted by: islamakapigeaters [TypeKey Profile Page] at November 6, 2006 2:26 PM

This issue has been around for a while and it seems all the Islamic apologist organizations "Dan-Undah" are weighing in on it. I thought, what have our friends at CAIR to say about it? So I just did a full Google site-search on the single term "Hilaly" on cair.com.

Nothing.

So I went to ALL the chapter sites and did the same thing (took me a while -- their chapters are multiplying like flies). The result?

Nothing.

CAIR, apparently, considers this subject beneath their notice, or maybe they'd just rather not start issuing news releases that bring it to the attention of the mainstream NA media. So ... if they won't (I put it to you all) ... who will?

Incidentally, the Google site search is a fantastic tool, and it's simple to do. For instance, to do the first search above, just type

hilaly site:cair.com

into a Google search box. This won't be very satisfying, as there are no hits (yet, anyway). So try a few other terms, like

jihad (learn the REAL meaning, ala CAIR...)
spencer (mother of all islamophobes, apparently...)
taxi alcohol (what have they to say on the taxi jihad)
dawah (the effort to win converts to Islam -- lots of advice and resources for Muslims here...)
dhimmi (they apparently don't have anything of their own to say about this, but they fuss over some infidels who clearly misunderstand its meaning...)

The same basic concept can be applied to various sites. Go to your favourite Islamic "education" site to see what they have to say about the Jizya tax, or Mut'a marriage, and so on...

Note to anyone getting into such searches: I notice that CAIR often pulls an article from its webpage, presumably because they changed their minds on what to say about some issue. The Google cache is helpful; I understand one can also get older web archives (the Google cache doesn't stay around forever), though I haven't tried this...

Posted by: Archimedes [TypeKey Profile Page] at November 6, 2006 5:17 PM

Rape is a crime of violence, not uncontrolled sexual desire
But it is sexual. I heard a woman describe her attack (after that same point was made) as "well, he didn't break in to wreck my kitchen, did he?"
Violence yes, but because a man can take sex from an unwilling woman, it is a brutish thing that is pleasurable to barbarians. Also don't overlook putting kufr women in their place.

Posted by: Carolyn2 [TypeKey Profile Page] at November 6, 2006 6:11 PM

Archimedes, thanks for the tip on Google-searching sites, I wasn't aware of such a useful tool. In addition to the numerous (negative) articles about Robert on CAIR.com, I was thrilled to find reprints of comments by Hugh that were profound and factual, but were presented as examples of "hate speech". Such badges of honor are priceless. You KNOW you're doing the right thing when CAIR criticises you.

Posted by: Xero G [TypeKey Profile Page] at November 6, 2006 6:20 PM

Carolyn2,
Of course rape is a sexual assault but I invite you to do a Google search on "rape myths" for further reading.
From a randomly selected site:
Myth: Rape results from an uncontrollable sexual urge of biological origin. Men rape impulsively and out of biological need.

Fact: Rape is a criminal act of violence, using sex as a weapon. Men rape to express hostility and to dominate. Since most convicted rapists are married or have available sex partners, rape is not primarily a sexual experience. Men rape because it allows them to express anger and to feel powerful by controlling another person. Studies show that 50% of rapes are planned, not impulsive. This supports the view that rape is learned behavior and does not arise from biological need.

Posted by: Xero G [TypeKey Profile Page] at November 6, 2006 6:41 PM

Mackie:
“Australian Men should confront this warped ideology that seeks to denigrate “your women”….

To be blunt, base, and utterly unapologetic:
The operative phrase is “your women.” Are they the women of the Australian men or are they the women of whomever Pakistani, Arab or Indonesian man, etc they opt to jump in the sack with! Feminism and permissiveness have cheapened western womanhood and rendered Masculinity and Cheverly as outdated notations. Even marriage in the west no longer means what it once meant; it is no longer a sacred exclusive lifelong union.

Example: If you are coming out of a bar with a chick that you just picked up after buying her a couple of drinks, would it be prudent for you to die to save her “honor” from a gang of Muslim rapists or would it be more prudent for you to leave her to her fate and walk back to the bar to pick up another bird for the night? A distant relative of my grandmother who once lived in Australia discovered that his Australian wife was carrying on an affair with a neighbor, and being a Middle Easterner, he beat her up (if he was a Muslim, she would be dead). Subsequently, the Police put him in jail and her lover moved in with her that very night to the house that the above mentioned man worked himself from the bottom to acquire. The man lost everything and being disgraced by his wife, he moved back to Egypt. So, why would an Australian man or any other western man give up his life defending what he leases but does not own. A western wife for no reason at all could throw her husband out and move in a lover with no questions asked. A western husband can also carry out affairs at the work place, the bar, with the babysitter, or in countless other venues. So, where is the sacredness, the concern, the selfless love in western marital and familial relations! And that is the married westerners, an increasingly smaller portion of the West. To illustrate my point further, does the average western man care that much if his sister is the town slut or the next porn star! Obviously, as with most upsetting developments in the West, they are the byproducts of a post-modern post-Christian-society where Patriotisms, Honor, Cheverly, Manhood, the courage that comes from conviction are seemingly as obsolete as muskets in modern warfare, as unsacred as the churches of Belgium and the pages of the bible used as toilet papers by invited Muslim squatters, almost as demonized as the catch-all-phrases of Islamophobia, and are usually misconstrued as chauvinism, xenophobia and bigotry in the collective leftist consciousness of the West.

If western women do not want to have the specter of Muslim gang rape as a constant companion, which they will more so leave as a legacy for all upcoming infidel females, then, may be, just may be, they should not have been nor should they continue to be the greatest electoral and cultural champions of leftist hegemony, the emasculators of Western manhood, the bearers and rearers of a generation of cowardly, immoral, selfish, materialistic, faithless and undisciplined brats.

Posted by: have_mercy [TypeKey Profile Page] at November 6, 2006 11:15 PM

Cripes, what does a bloke say.

Maybe just this. There is so much commendable and insightful comment here, proof of the continuing existence of "common sense". That makes me glad. Will we win the battle?, probably not, but at least we're aware of what's happening in the world around us.

But I'm sure that most of you would agree that "common sense", like its brother "common decency', are both rarities these days.

Neither are "common" in the sense of frequently encountered, the norm.

Sad times indeed.

Posted by: Ozi_bloke [TypeKey Profile Page] at November 7, 2006 6:38 AM

have_mercy

"To be blunt, base, and utterly unapologetic"

Well you are, base in particular. You said he "beat her up". Well this is not acceptable by any standards so he copped what he deserved, and if this was his general attitude no wonder she sought solace elsewhere.

And where do you get off calling all my lady friends and associates all those names, I think you are the one with a serious attitude problem towards women. Now go away.

Posted by: learnmore [TypeKey Profile Page] at November 7, 2006 11:57 PM

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